The Nineteenth Byte

@Fmbalbuena I'm a network mod, not a RO.

Also, I have no good bakery puns.

why is the garbage sent to a bakery?

I'm assuming being a RO doesn't give you any privileges you don't already have as a mod

@les-citrons this aspect of TNB lore has never fully be resolved

ah, I see

@les-citrons Because it's butter

5:54 PM

but why is spam called butter in TNB?

The reason we associate spam with butter is a good story on its own, check out the wiki page on it

I'd find a link if it wasn't blocked for me

the wiki page?

We have our own wiki

what wiki

where is this wiki

nobody asked for it, but there's a TNB wikia

Aug 23 '21 at 13:46, by exedraj

5:56 PM

oh no, fandom

oh

Look for the page on "Butter"

Dec 22 '15 at 22:34, by New Sandboxed Posts

HELLO I AM BOT FEED ME BUTTER

I am now viewing the "butter" article

I thought there would be more to it than that

5:57 PM

:/

@pxeger It didn't used to. Lately, the situation has become more complicated.

oh?

There aren't any RO powers that are impossible to emulate with mod powers, though, I don't think.

Wait IIRC mods can change ROs at will, so you could just make yourself a RO and get unlimited power

Unless the room has the “don't allow that” flag set.

About two years ago (!! doesn't time fly?) the company decided that we had too many network moderators for the “you have free reign, just don't ruin everything” policy to work properly.

When mods disagree with each other, and they all have mod powers…

6:00 PM

anyone working on codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/240669/108218?

That challenge is computationally intractable.

what

It's very easy to come up with an encoding methods that nobody will ever be able to crack.

that is quite true

That's not very interesting for the cop either though, so I think it's not really a problem

6:04 PM

@pxeger Huh, I didn't realize it went back that far

Oh, phew. There are (at least) four other people in the room who were around back then. (I had begun to feel old!)

do I count as an old-timer if I'm multiple year old?

@wizzwizz4 I made sure that mine is crackable

after screwing up the first one so it wasn't

@Wezl-acautionarytale It's probably subjective and depends on whom you ask.

im askin evry1

6:17 PM

lyxal's been here almost 4 years (really??) and he's still a newcomer to me

I joined 2 years ago but I've only been active maybe a bit more than 1, so I feel new but I'll be sure to remind people of my age whenever it's convenient :P

I still think of myself as a newcomer.

But most of the people who were here when I joined have now left.

@DLosc That seems... wrong, lyxal is a newbie to me too :P

Well, the time you've has your account != the time you've been active

I mean I made my first CGCC account six years ago

To be fair, the past couple of years have been weird.

6:29 PM

But all I did was read some HNQs and some stuff on meta

Huh, lyxal joined 2 days before my 1 year anniversary on the site :P

@RedwolfPrograms That's a good point. I researched far enough to see that lyxal's first answer was posted in November 2018, but now I looked again and saw that his second answer wasn't till May 2019.

I was active every day for the first two years after I first joined the site.

I got substantially more active in 2020/2021

Huh--my first five code-golf answers were in five different languages.

6:33 PM

I wonder what my first answer was...

They were all answers to my own KotHs lol

@DLosc Python 2, Perl, QBasic, Python 3, and sed

Well, I wonder what my first code-golf answer was

My yearly rep rankings were 49th, 67th, 58th, 11th then 1st

Found it

@DLosc probably mine too

6:36 PM

codegolf.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/63668

Should I reject this and instead make optimisation a synonym of optimization?

@pxeger I see no reason to reject it.

But a synonym is probably a good idea.

@Wezl-acautionarytale Looks like your first two were both in shortC, unfortunately. But there certainly is a lot of diversity after that!

Or, rather, can someone with a score of 5 make the synonym?

That should be approved, and the synonym isn't a bad idea

@DLosc time to edit :P

6:37 PM

Wait, now I should have a score of 5 in that tag

Technically it can't be suggested, as the optimisation tag no longer exists

what do you call the about section in chat profiles? the bio?

ugh, it's 5 answer score

@cairdcoinheringaahing that's why I wanted to reject the edit - because I thought the tag had to exist in order to suggest it

Suggested

@cairdcoinheringaahing Well, no, the roomba hasn't run yet

6:40 PM

@pxeger The rep thing with suggested edits makes me not like to reject valid edits

you get +2 from an accepted edit, but you don't lose rep from rejected edits, do you?

No, you don't

But if someone makes a valid edit, imo, they deserve the +2. Rejecting it because of technicalities in the system about synonyms seems mean

@pxeger I like that the links to languages at the bottom are broken (they seem to be relative)

So I've got +198 reputation today (-2 because I unaccepted an answer), and I don't seem to be gaining any more rep from more upvotes (just tested (and removed my vote) on a sock), so it seems a bit like I've repcapped, but I haven't got any more progress on Epic/Legendary

Oof

6:48 PM

f

check codegolf.stackexchange.com/reputation

Feel free to accept one of my answers to your questions :P

You can very frequently get progress towards legendary without hitting the repcap though.

Go to the bottom, it'll lsit the rep you gained today

So it mostly balances out.

6:48 PM

thehackernews.com/2022/01/log4shell-like-critical-rce-flaw.html

> ** rep today: 200

JNDI-based vulnerability in another Java library

@cairdcoinheringaahing Whoa, TIL

The gift that keeps on giving

hmm

6:49 PM

I thought I was going to hit the rep cap today.

@pxeger Then Epic/Legendary should update at the end of the day, IIRC

But I think my question was too hard.

Your question is quite similar to mine, actually

@WheatWizard The fact that bounties contribute towards Legendary, but not the repcap make it a lot easier

@pxeger Yeah I noticed. I hadn't read your's until after I had posted mine though :)

Yours sort of paradoxically has a much more restrictive IO format, but also an easier one.

6:52 PM

> rep cap was reached via rep from upvotes *only* on 1 days
earned at least 200 reputation on 0 days

@WheatWizard I wanted to allow only adjacency list, because the first step in one approach to solving it is to generate an adjacency matrix and I didn't want that to just be skipped

I think it's worth considering that permissive IO formats can sometimes cause decision paralysis. Like it's hard to start when you have to first choose a format.

@DLosc Also see list of hidden features and list of unlinked pages

"earned at least 200 reputation on 97 days" there's a discrepency of 8 between this and my progress towards legendary 🤔

> earned at least 200 reputation on 5 days

> Legendary, 4/100

6:56 PM

Annotated posts if anyone wants to see what the mods have been adding notices to :P

My descrepancy is my favour though :)

> rep cap was reached via rep from upvotes *only* on 57 days
earned at least 200 reputation on 57 days
Legendary - 68/150

@cairdcoinheringaahing Woah. We don't even have a good way to track these as moderators.

@cairdcoinheringaahing so "notice" also includes currently active bounties

@cairdcoinheringaahing Should be titled "StackExchange secrets REVEALED! You won't believe #8!"

7:00 PM

Oh, and if anyone was wondering who the most active user in the last 60 days was, it's lyxal :P

I've moved up that list quite a lot since I last checked it

which I think was only a few weeks ago

I'm in 20th

Huh, a self-referential comment:

@sehe now real magic is doing it without editing! — Shadow Wizard Is Vaccinated V3 May 14 '14 at 20:18

Ok looks like it's time to see if we can ping ourselves without edits.

Didn't you do that once?

(if you're going to try, please go to the sandbox)

7:05 PM

@WheatWizard I did it here in 1 try.

Oh nice, I have no declined flags from the past week

Same!

brb

@pxeger I love relative URLs solely because it means I can write the chat sandbox link quickly because its ID 1 is easy to remember

@cairdcoinheringaahing I have quite a lot of progress towards Marshal compared to other users of similar vintage and/or rep, and I think that's because I'm religious in flagging comments as No Longer Needed

0 declined comment flags :)

@cairdcoinheringaahing Pff, I have no declined flags from ever, beat that!*

* Mainly because I have a total of 19 flags

7:08 PM

I have two declined flags, one because I used the wrong flag type and one because a mod disagreed something was invalid

Most of my flags are spam or no longer needed, though

I have 5 declined flags

One spam flag got declined cause I flagged this off-topic post as spam

I have 9, and most of them are just because I used the wrong flag

@pxeger Oh, interesting. I typically just delete my own and don't worry about it if the other person doesn't delete theirs. Should I flag instead (if it's been a couple days)?

if I delete mine, I always immediately flag the other person's

I have a 97.3% helpful flag rate here :P

7:10 PM

and if I notice someone else has deleted theirs, I always delete mine

i have a flag declined for not using standard flags

@hyper-neutrino mod abuse it into a disputed flag :P

thing is that user had posted the exact same thing already so i was flagging hoping additional action would be taken on top of just deleting it as NAA but

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

@pxeger (7 declined and 2 disputed)

Sandbox Posts

0

Title: Perfect words Introduction A perfect word, as defined by me, is a word where the sum of the position in the alphabet of each letter in the word is perfectly divisible by the total length of the word. For example, abcb is a perfect word because 1 + 2 + 3 + 2 = 8, and 8 / 4 = 2. Your task Gi...

7:12 PM

> "violates <standard loophole>" - declined - "Answer predates the loophole"

I don't like this policy

@cairdcoinheringaahing :P anyway i don't think i can? even if i wanted to, which i don't, i believe you can only do that to red flags

@pxeger I believe The fifth Marshal said they got the badge mainly for flagging those comments

@pxeger but it does make sense

@cairdcoinheringaahing yeah, that would make sense to me

119/500 here

@SandboxPosts thoughts?

7:13 PM

As much as I like the Global Flag Summary userscript, man does it take ages

@hyper-neutrino "While we appreciate your attempt to create a Canadian flag for us, you've used the wrong colour of red for the maple leaf. Regretfully, we shall have to decline."

I have 1207 total helpful flags, across the network :D

98.61% helpful rate

> Check back on this later – Wheat Wizard♦ Oct 15 '21 at 8:19 helpful - Thanks cutie. ❤️

@pxeger I just found an answer which predates a loophole by only a couple days

@WheatWizard you can handle your own flags? lol

could you give yourself Marshal for free by doing that?

Mods can only get Marshal after they step down

7:18 PM

I think I raise more flags as mod than as not. A lot of them are just "Check on this later".

How do you know /404 is actually an unlinked page, rather than just a non-existent page that therefore gives a 404 error? — Mechanical snail Sep 25 '12 at 10:43

I just saw that ^_^

emanresu A

Hm, the rickroll link in the help page isn't on ther

"How do you know /review/user-info/8/current's 500 Error is actually a bug, rather than just a hidden page to test out the 500 Error page?"

Three of our four questions that were greatest hits were written by Joe Z. 0_0

7:22 PM

@DLosc still not sure how they determine those/the order of those

> The current algorithm divides the number of page views with the total amount of question and answer feedback received (adding a bonus for high view counts), excluding questions with less views than the median

@pxeger You can use this page to see how many questions there are on the site:

> 12,726 questions

oh

so where does that 1222 figure come from then?

oh is that the median score?

Probably

Most questions get 1k views

7:37 PM

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feedback? codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/…

▁italics but not really▁

@GingerIndustries I'd suggest clarifying about case; will the input always be in one case, can answers choose between upper/lower case, etc.

@cairdcoinheringaahing good point, change made

Also riddeo is falsy, the sum is 55 and the length is 6

@cairdcoinheringaahing thanks

@GingerIndustries Also, this is pretty trivial, as the position in the alphabet (mod the length) is the same as the ordinal (mod the length), so this is "take ord, sum, is divisible by length"

7:50 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing darn

oh, right, cuz the offset gets canceled out when you add it (len) times

interesting

4 bytes in Jelly for what its worth

@hyper-neutrino Yeah, that took me a moment too

@cairdcoinheringaahing so does that mean that this challenge is unfit for posting?

Not necessarily, just that it's more trivial than it might first look

7:53 PM

yeah when caird mentioned that i was like, is the offset divisible by 26 or smth?

Trivial doesn't mean bad, but it is a factor to consider in posting challenges

wisdom

@hyper-neutrino I realised when I did O%64S, then remembered that sum of mods is the same as mod of sums, and that the mod doesn't matter when checking divisibility

@cairdcoinheringaahing ah, nice. also even if the offset were divisible by 26 that wouldn't be what makes it work which i am now realizing :P

dancing-emoji.gingerindustries.repl.co/…

7:56 PM

@GingerIndustries When you give a toucan coffee

I've been looking through Character Map for good things to make into emojis

Turns out adding function composition to Whython breaks a fair number of things... github.com/attempt-this-online/languages/runs/…