The Nineteenth Byte

user

00:00

I don't have opinions because I haven't bothered learning what they even are 😎

Redwolf Programs

For the most part, same here

user

> This article may contain wording that promotes the subject through exaggeration of unnoteworthy facts. - from the Wikipedia article lol

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Seems flawed as a premise. One of the best things about the internet is how much more free information became, and NFTs seem like a flawed attempt to constrict that

Redwolf Programs

What a lot of people don't seem to understand is that NFTs, like the rest of cryptocurrency stuff, is only a decentralized register

caird coinheringaahing

Like, sure, technically, you own the rights to a bit of data (e.g. an image), but unless you can enforce that ownership, its essentially meaningless

Redwolf Programs

00:02

So it doesn't make any information harder to find, it just provides a decentralized way to decide who owns something

Yeah lol

user

Oh, it seems like they're Bitcoin but unique and they're more like art than currency

Redwolf Programs

Yeah

user

So, basically useless

Redwolf Programs

They don't have to be art though, the NF part stands for "non-fungible" meaning it can be literally anything that isn't money

user

Here I was hoping the non-fungible part meant something cool like never getting fungus or something :P

@RedwolfPrograms Sure, but if it isn't money and depends on what other people think of it, then it's like art

Perhaps "collector's item" would be a better phrase than "art"

Redwolf Programs

00:04

Well they don't have to be images, is what I mean

user

NFTs that aren't monke sound even more useless :P

caird coinheringaahing

E.g., if you own the Mona Lisa, sure, you can say that you own it. You can hide it away in a museum and charge people to look at it, and do what you want with it. But, if you let someone into the museum and copy it to such degree where no-one can tell (or really wants to tell) the difference, then you can't decide what they do with that copy. The entire point of NFTs comes from being able to display them on the internet, which has such inherent freedom of info that you can't charge entry

Redwolf Programs

Yeah, blockchain really is just a solution looking for a problem

user

idk, I honestly can't make sound decisions about this based on a 2-minute reading from Wikipedia and the titles of Reddit posts, and I'm too lazy to actually read up on what they are, so disregard everything I've said above about NFTs

@RedwolfPrograms git

Redwolf Programs

Git?

user

00:06

That sounds like a legit use of blockchain (well, blockchain-like tech)

Redwolf Programs

Git's not blockchain

user

Yeah

@RedwolfPrograms Also I feel like I've heard this joke before lol

Redwolf Programs

It's a pretty common sentiment

I don't even think it's the best option for a decentralized currency, let alone proving ownership of physical objects or managing voting systems

user

If mining crypto didn't waste so much money, I don't think it'd be that bad

Redwolf Programs

Not just money, massive environmental damage

user

00:08

I meant to say energy lol, but that too

@RedwolfPrograms Do we even need a fully decentralized currency? It's perfectly acceptable to have a few trusted organizations, as long as there's enough of them and regulations and stuff

Redwolf Programs

Bitcoin as a whole is basically a giant space heater the size of Belgium

user

Feels like the bubble will burst at some point; I just hope the fallout isn't too big

Redwolf Programs

We're putting 0.5% of our global energy production into warehouses of ASICS

user

Wait what

Source?

caird coinheringaahing

@user How do you know if you can trust an organisation?

Redwolf Programs

00:10

@user businessinsider.com/….

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing You can never be 100% sure, but you can set up laws and agencies that investigate these organizations

You can't trust the government 100%, but you can trust that they probably won't steal your money outright

Redwolf Programs

All Bitcoin offers is a way to pay for illegal activities without getting COVID from handling physical cash

I maintain that it will never be a better option than any non-blockchain solutions

I also dislike it solely for the fact that if you say "I'm interested in crypto", people think you're talking about cryptocurrency and not cryptography

user

I'm interested in crypto

caird coinheringaahing

I'm interested in crypto, cause if I can decrypt my exam password, I can see them early :P

Redwolf Programs

We could power 1.3 million homes with the amount of electricity cryptocurrency turns directly into heat

So more than 1% of the population of the United States, given the average household

user

00:19

Where do people even get all this electricity? Are there just that many people mining Bitcoin?

Redwolf Programs

Yep

emanresu A

Partially people who are trying to stop China from taking over bitcoin

(If they get more than 30% or so they can control it for some reason I forgot)

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms I've considered actually making NFTs just to see how profitable it really is for ordinary people

user

Does it really matter lol

caird coinheringaahing

That seems.... off. The entire point of a decentralised system is that its very hard for one single party to control it

Redwolf Programs

00:21

Well because if you have enough computers, you can "prove" anything through Proof Of Work (which is what bitcoin uses)

user

If people from other countries stop caring about Bitcoin, its value will fall, right?

@cairdcoinheringaahing I think by "control" emanresu just means "own lots of Bitcoins"

Redwolf Programs

Nope

caird coinheringaahing

> If people ~~from other countries~~ stop caring about ~~Bitcoin~~ money, its value will fall, right?

That's literally how all money works

Redwolf Programs

If you have a certain percentage of the computers doing the mining, you can literally make all of the money yours

Because you control the blockchain

caird coinheringaahing

Isn't a 51% attack the only real way to control a decentralised system?

Redwolf Programs

00:22

Yeah, it's basically a 51% attack but with less than 51%

user

@RedwolfPrograms Would it even matter if people stop accepting Bitcoin and want other currencies instead?

I could create my own cryptocurrency called "dogebadcoin" and own 100% of it but that won't help me at all because no one else would use it :P

Redwolf Programs

@user I guess not, but if there's billions invested in btc and all of that's suddenly gone, that's bound to have some negative effects

emanresu A

@RedwolfPrograms Yeah, except someone said 30% is enough for bitcoin

[citation needed]

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms depends on who owns the billions :P

Redwolf Programs

Well as user said, it'd totally devalue it

caird coinheringaahing

00:24

If Tesla Stock drops to 0, and Elon Musk suddenly is worth less than me, I don't see a negative effect :P

user

@RedwolfPrograms True, although it probably wouldn't happen immediately

Redwolf Programs

I'm not so sure about that

user

In which case China might be Supreme Lord of Bitcoin for a while, but not for too long, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Redwolf Programs

Everyone would notice pretty quickly if their wallet just became instantly empty

And they'd probably not decide "hey, I should pay more IRL money to get that back"

user

Wait why would people's wallets become empty?

Redwolf Programs

00:27

Well if they took it all for themselves

user

They'd still have their Bitcoin, it'd just not be worth that much (and surely they'd see it dropping in the news)

Redwolf Programs

Presumably that's what you'd do if you had total control over the blockchain

user

@RedwolfPrograms Oh like if China just got a million computers and computed their way to controlling everything

caird coinheringaahing

Why? If you do that, it becomes worthless

Redwolf Programs

You can change the ledger to show any transaction

user

00:27

^^

Redwolf Programs

Hmm true, I guess you could be a bit more strategic

user

caird has a point, if no one else owns Bitcoin, then no one's going to care about it

caird coinheringaahing

If you take everyone's bitcoin, no one will value any bitcoin

user

They'll just switch to Ethereum or whatever or drop out of crypto entirely

This is why we need to peg our currency to cocoa beans :P

Redwolf Programs

Although since it's public, people would realize what was happening within minutes if enough bitcoin was being mined/stolen for it to be worthwhile

user

00:28

Yup, it'd make the headlines given how big a thing Bitcoin and crypto are

caird coinheringaahing

@user I'm sorry, what's being pegged?

user

USD, of course

Redwolf Programs

If it exists...

user

Good old american green thingies

@RedwolfPrograms Then it exists. That is all you know about it - Descartes

Redwolf Programs

"I think, therefore there is porn of me"

caird coinheringaahing

00:31

That's Rule 34 :P

user

How did we you make the jump to porn from bitcoin?

Redwolf Programs

caird's message

caird coinheringaahing

...I don't want to ruin user's innocence :P

user

Don't worry, y'all have ruined what was left of it already :P

@cairdcoinheringaahing I get this now, but how is that the first thing you thought of? ಠ_ಠ

emanresu A

Nov 26 '21 at 21:12, by user

Apr 27 at 13:05, by user

Redwolf: Imagine if someone handed you a box full of all the things you lost throughout your life.
Lyxal: It would be nice to have my sense of purpose back...
caird: Oh wow, my childhood innocence! Thank you for finding this.
user: My will to live! I haven't seen this in years.
Wezl: I knew I lost that potential somewhere.
Razetime: Mental stability, my old friend!
Redwolf: Jesus, could you guys lighten up a little?

Redwolf Programs

00:33

Ooh a fully yellow starboard for the first time in ages

user

@emanresuA Why did you include the outer quote lol

caird coinheringaahing

@user I found out about the ...inappropriate thing first before I heard the expression

user

@RedwolfPrograms Ooh a fully black starboard for the first time in ages (other than the two pins)

@cairdcoinheringaahing Damn Brits

caird coinheringaahing

Because of that, guess that's been the first thing that goes to my mind

user

:P

caird coinheringaahing

00:34

Is there something about Brits and pegging I'm not aware of? :P

user

Nah, y'all do the stages of life in the wrong order

Learning about the dirty meaning of a word before the actual one, drinking before you graduate college

emanresu A

@user Why not

user

I mean it just clutters it up

emanresu A

Next time you quote it it'll be triple-quote

user

Why'd you bring up that quote anyway?

Oh, caird's innocence

emanresu A

00:36

Yep

Redwolf Programs

I kinda like keeping some outer quotes to a certain degree, to show the message is commonly used

user

This one's only been quoted once by me (afaik)

caird coinheringaahing

@user If you aren't shitfaced within days of meeting a bunch of new strangers, what's the point?

Redwolf Programs

It's also just faster to find in the transcripts lol

caird coinheringaahing

And are you really telling me you want to do exams sober? ;P

user

00:37

Yes? :P

I can barely focus on exams already, I don't want to be in an alcoholic stupor while trying to figure out stuff I know next to nothing about

caird coinheringaahing

But if you do them drunk, you won't know how badly you did until you get the grade back :P

user

Although that's mostly a problem with me not practicing for tests at all

hyper-neutrino

but if you're drunk then you might randomly stumble across the answer :P

emanresu A

^

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Print □□Square□□ Numbers Your task is to write a program or function that accepts an integer as input/argument and prints/returns all square numbers from 0 up to but not including n². But the numbers should not just be perfect squares in the mathematical sense. They should be square in every sens...

user

00:38

@cairdcoinheringaahing I like my anxiety okay

I no longer have predators to escape from so I keep my life exciting by doing as poorly on tests as possible while still passing :P

Redwolf Programs

I swear I can't remember a single minute of any standardized test I take

And I'm not drunk

I just walk in, and then sit there waiting for the time to start, then time's up.

caird coinheringaahing

I only remember one thing from the SATs, which was that I got a question wrong because of the differences between British english and American English

user

Oof

They really shouldn't do that

emanresu A

^^^ lol

hyper-neutrino

@user i can fix that if you tell me the coordinates of your nearest zoo

quintopia

00:41

@SandboxPosts please feedback my proposal

Redwolf Programs

Sure!

caird coinheringaahing

Seems like a dupe

quintopia

it may be. that was my main question

if so, please link the dupe

caird coinheringaahing

Probably of the "is the input a square" challenge, as most approaches will generate the range, then filter

user

@hyper-neutrino 1426 Telegram Dr or sth

caird coinheringaahing

00:42

48

Q: It's Hip to be Square

Challenge So, um, it seems that, while we have plenty of challenges that work with square numbers or numbers of other shapes, we don't have one that simply asks: Given an integer n (where n>=0) as input return a truthy value if n is a perfect square or a falsey value if not. Rules You may take ...

quintopia

definitely not a dupe of that

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing Did you look at the ASCII art part though?

user

This is also ASCII art, so not the same

caird coinheringaahing

...

user

Also, this generates square numbers, it doesn't validate them

caird coinheringaahing

00:43

Excuse me being an idiot

user

See this is what happens when you get drunk :P

quintopia

also what tags would it need aside from code-golf and ascii-art

user

math, maybe?

Redwolf Programs

Possibly sequence? I don't know if that applies here.

caird coinheringaahing

@user If a challenge was "Given n, output all squares from 0 to n" (or any other limit), I'd hammer it as a dupe of the validating squares challenge

user

00:44

@RedwolfPrograms I think it does

@cairdcoinheringaahing Eh, fair enough

caird coinheringaahing

@user I want to say that I haven't had anything to drink, but I can't :P Only a couple of beers tho :P

user

"Only a couple"

I don't even drink that much water in a day lol

Redwolf Programs

This sort of feels like two challenges that would be dupes (finding square numbers and drawing ASCII art numbers), although I don't know if it should still be considered a dupe

quintopia

i opened a beer earlier and forgot to finish it. excuse me.

@RedwolfPrograms can you link the ascii art numbers challenge

caird coinheringaahing

@user Me neither :P

user

00:46

Doctor: Make sure to hydrate
caird: *sips beer* This has water, right?

:P

@RedwolfPrograms I think validating ASCII art could potentially lead to interesting solutions

caird coinheringaahing

If you need to drink water, just put an ice cube in your whiskey :P

Redwolf Programs

@user But would any solutions actually validate the ASCII art rather than the numbers?

I think this could actually be a lot more interesting in reverse, where you're given ASCII art of a number and have to figure out if it's a square number

quintopia

@RedwolfPrograms hmmm yeah that also sounds good

Redwolf Programs

It's up to you which variant you want to do, I probably wouldn't close either as a dupe

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Pretty sure this is a dupe, but with a different character

quintopia

00:53

@cairdcoinheringaahing i would be interested to see it if so

Ginger Industries

sup

caird coinheringaahing

@quintopia I'll let you know if/when I find it

Ginger Industries

got me a new pfp

emanresu A

nice lol

wizzwizz4

01:24

Is there a “find the nth Fibonacci number” challenge? I can only find “print the first n Fibonacci numbers”.

hyper-neutrino

134

Q: Fibonacci function or sequence

The Fibonacci sequence is a sequence of numbers, where every number in the sequence is the sum of the two numbers preceding it. The first two numbers in the sequence are both 1. Here are the first few terms: 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 ... Write the shortest code that either: Generates the Fib...

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wizzwizz4

Ah, yes, that says “function or” right in the title, doesn't it?

Reading comprehension has always been a weak point of mine.

user

01:40

@RedwolfPrograms That’s literally what I suggested lol

emanresu A

01:51

Any feedback?

Redwolf Programs

02:17

Honestly after having given it some thought, I think a centralized, but cryptography-based, currency is a much better option than a decentralized one

Because here's the important part: with signatures and a counter, it's impossible for the centralized authority to fake transactions or delete them. All they can do, worst case scenario, is silently ignore incoming requests to add transactions to the list.

emanresu A

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Q: Why going to admin.php on any site takes me to a random 10 hours YouTube video?

Writing www.stackoverflow.com/admin.php in the search bar of a web browser takes you to a random 10 hour YouTube video. Same for any site in Stack Exchange network. My question is, why did Stack Exchange do it? Is it an Easter egg? The developers are just being funny? Did they want to offer prog...

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Redwolf Programs

And if you get rid of the decentralization, you get rid of a massive amount of complexity and potential for abuse

And you can still make it semi-decentralized, by having a couple of different semi-trusted but distinct organizations, though that adds in a little bit of complexity and a small but not that important 51% issue (since, once again, the worst you can do with a 51% attack in this system would be silently dropping transactions people request to occur)

emanresu A

Why not something where the centralization authority changes hourly?

Redwolf Programs

Because then everyone gets their own chance to be an asshole, instead of it being a collaborative effort

You could have, e.g., a central authority in the US, one in Britain, one in Russia, one in China, and one in somewhere like Switzerland, and chances are you'd never have three of those authorities trying to block you from doing a transaction at once

And anybody could run their own server that just checks every authority's list, and computes the consensus. It's a much simpler system without the complexity required to be able to support an arbitrary number of "authorities"

emanresu A

Although... this is starting to sound decentralised.

Redwolf Programs

02:28

It's semi-centralized

You have a known number of central authorities, with the power distributed among them

So you don't need to worry about all the complexity of Proof of Work or Proof of Stake, because you don't need the concepts of mining or blocks

And there'd be much smaller fees, if they existed at all

Riolku

Alright i've been summoned by hyperneutrino and the word "crypto"

I think you might be right

Have a handful of large organizations controlling the currency

I suppose it's worth noting that this system is liable to be just... meddled with so fees are high

and coins aren't generated from anywhere

like when you have a few authorities if they collaborate they can do whatever they like, and I think that's exactly what bitcoin avoids

I don't like bitcoin though, because the power consumption is ridiculous

but I think there are definitely some things there that are nice that we can't get otherwise

in some ways this isn't different than the system we have now with banks

Wezl - a cautionary tale

02:46

rats, I found a really good challenge but I can't upvote it >:|

emanresu A

You already used up your vote cap?

Wezl - a cautionary tale

no it's just that you generally can't upvote the best questions

It's like they think self-esteem is a bad quality

Redwolf Programs

@Riolku Well there's signatures still, so they can't decide to fake transactions

All they could do to mess with things, even if they all collaborated, is prevent some or all people from adding transactions to the ledger

The way I'd see it working is the two parties would sign the details of the transaction along with some transaction ID (to prevent replay attacks), and then send a copy to three or four of the central authorities. They'd all add it to their ledgers, alongside a hash with an incrementing counter for that authority (also to prevent replay attacks), and as long as at least three agree at some point that transaction occured, it would be added to the ledger.

Riolku

03:03

and there's still anonymity

it's pretty interesting

because we still have anonymity and prevention of forgery

Redwolf Programs

I'm not entirely sure how adding more currency would work, but maybe a lottery type thing weighted by stake

(For generating random numbers to use in the lottery, each of the authorities could choose a random string, and then they'd all be publically announced and hashed to create the final random number)

user

We add more cryptocurrency depending on cocoa bean production

Redwolf Programs

Is user a lobbyist for the chocolate industry? :p

user

By doing this, we can ensure there isn’t too much inflation

@RedwolfPrograms I would like to be :p

It’s easy: our currency must be based on societal values. And what we value is chocolate. So if you produce more cocoa beans, you get more monies. Simple

Whereas by instituting a lottery, what message are we putting out? That we like gambling, chance. No! It’s time to return to our traditional values of hoarding money and chocolate

Redwolf Programs

Ooh, I've got it! Maybe a small transaction fee would be charged, and that would be evenly distributed according to stake

And perhaps a multiplier applied

So like, if the total volume of transactions results in $1M in fees, maybe 1% or something would be added on top (how new money enters the system), and then that would be distributed to everyone

It'd be cool if there was something like less active accounts getting a smaller share of it, so that people can't just build up a massive amount of money by sitting there with a small initial investment from early on, but that'd likely just encourage everyone to set up a bot to transfer between a few dozen accounts every couple of days (wait no, transaction fees are thing! maybe this could work...)

Because you wouldn't want a Satoshi Nakamoto type thing where someone gets a bunch early on and then disappears for a while, slowly building up billions of dollars

And there's no reason consensus should require 3/5 here either...since the central authorities can't fake transactions anyway, 2/5 or even 1/5 would work just as well and be significantly harder for a rogue authority to abuse

emanresu A

04:25

Sussy question

PyGamer0

@emanresuA answer: x ≡ 2.99999

lyxal

05:02

@emanresuA x = 3

PyGamer0

05:57

imma go get my covid vaccine o/

lyxal

glhf

emanresu A

> have fun

It hurts

for a while

lyxal

yes

yes it does

there was a tiny bit of implied sarcasm there

just a tiny little smidgen

in other news, monopoly has it out for me

I had three houses on all the reds and got that pesky "pay for each house card" from community chest

had to sell all 12 houses to cover the costs

then I got enough money to buy back 2 houses

only to get the corresponding chance version of the community chest card I had just gotten

emanresu A

:(

lyxal

not to mention the fact my luck was lousy enough to leave me with only 5 properties while my cousins owned the rest of the board.

emanresu A

06:08

~~make monopoly great again by doing it in Vyxal~~

lyxal

I once tried to make monopoly in scratch

it never got finished

emanresu A

A vyxal module system would be cool

@AaroneousMiller I'm a few months late, but ⇧ doesn't vectorise

PyGamer0

i dont have monopoly

i have moneyply lol

ok so for my vaccine, i am at my school

and the current token number is 50

and my number is 116 :/

the process is somewhat slow

@emanresuA for how long to be precise?

hyper-neutrino

06:29

@PyGamer0 depends pretty heavily on the person

i got a booster tuesday afternoon, hurt on wednesday, mostly stopped hurting by now (friday 1:30 AM)

i know someone who had a fever and was feeling pretty sick from it for like, 2 or 3 days i think

PyGamer0

so have yall finished both doses?

lyxal

@PyGamer0 several weeks for my mother and I

And then still the occasional pain a few months later

hyper-neutrino

o.O that is a long time wow

PyGamer0

@lyxal weeks o_O, i have my exams in 4 days!

hyper-neutrino

@PyGamer0 i have my 3rd already because my region offers it and a) i don't trust the government to keep this place locked down as much as the numbers indicate is medically advised b) i'd need at least 2 anyway to go back to uni if they re-open, and idk if they'll eventually require a 3rd, so might as well get it over with

PyGamer0

06:31

@lyxal what

ok they are currently at token 69 lol

emanresu A

@PyGamer0 A day or two for me

I can't get my booster yet

(too young)

hyper-neutrino

they're not letting 18- get boosters yet unless they work in high-risk fields

yet they somehow thought it'd be a good idea to open school this week, until like just earlier this week they suddenly announced they were delaying that

PyGamer0

i think the pain also depends on the vaccine right?

yall got pfizer or moderna right?

imma get covaxin

wow Luis Mendo exactly has 1,800 answers

hyper-neutrino

07:36

after attempting to upload a file that's way too large to a localhost site, it seems that my ability to access that site gets permanently bricked on my entire system

specific details are i try uploading a file to a localhost server, get a page timeout / failed to connect instead of a 413, and then cannot connect to that again even if i change the port or change to another browser

anyone have any clue what the fuck my computer's problem is? i don't think i can ask this on SO cuz i don't have a programming issue my computer's just being stupid

pxeger

hello IT have you tried turning it off and on again?

hyper-neutrino

that does fix it but surely there's a better way than restarting my whole system and needing to reopen my apps, start things back up, etc

i mean granted it takes max 5 minutes start to finish but that doesn't explain why this issue even happens

@hyper-neutrino ability to access that site → ability to access anything on my localhost ever again until i restart

pxeger

linux or windows?

hyper-neutrino

windows

pxeger

no ideas then

hyper-neutrino

07:50

i'm done testing the part that needs file uploads anyway so i might as well just restart and not deal with it again but like

it happened, then after restarting was fine and then happened again

PyGamer0

08:02

ok i got my vaccine

so fun fact: i got my vaccine on my left hand

also fun fact: i write with my left hand

also fun fact: i have my exams in 4 days

so lol

pxeger

didn't they ask you which arm you wanted it in?

PyGamer0

no

it doesnt pain rn

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PyGamer0

and probably wont

PyGamer0

08:32

i really hate it when programs download another dependency already available on windows :/

i don't think linux has that problem, since package managers

mathcat

@emanresuA x=3

or wait

I think 2.99999... doesn't exist

lyxal

@PyGamer0 no way me too

PyGamer0

@lyxal wow cool

emanresu A

08:47

@mathcat that’s why I was confused lol

PyGamer0

10:53

so when i first read the first 3 scenes of merchant of venice (last year), i thought Anotonio was racist lmao

also this is the best comic i have seen

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Wheat Wizard

@pxeger I just read your most recent question and realized that we both asked very similar questions today independently.

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lyxal

11:53

@PyGamer0 16th century England do be like that sometimes

PyGamer0

12:21

lol

oh btw i am making another bitmap font (yes again)

lyxal

PyGamer0

lmao

^ progress so far

^ something feels weird about that t

Unrelated String

12:38

hmm

sort of a mix of a heavier right and the bottom bit not being actually connected but if that's it then it should look fine at a smaller font size

lyxal

ngl looks like the preview don't match the actual

Adám

@lyxal There's no preview. The t on the top is a reference glyph.

lyxal

that's a horrible reference t

Adám

@PyGamer0 remove one pixel from the left side of the cross-bar.

PyGamer0

ok

that looks wayy better

Unrelated String

12:42

oh wow yeah that's so much better

PyGamer0

guess the font name :P

Wezl - a cautionary tale

13:25

can I give a suggestion?

PyGamer0

yeah go ahead

the current name is bad

thejonymyster

13:41

@pxeger I do also believe it was just a misunderstanding of some sort / misspoken but you would not believe how offended I felt when I first saw "this is off topic" haha

im over it though im not mad no hard feelings etc ^_^

but yea im still brainstorming how to turn the concept into a more interesting challenge

Adám

I think it is fine, if simple.

thejonymyster

right i dont mind it being simple because i personally want to see it get really really small with clever thinking in multiple languages

but popular opinion is that there should be a bit more meat to it, so i dunno

Adám

Are we allowed to restrict the input domain, to say strings or characters or numbers?

thejonymyster

that seems like itd break the challenge actually

Adám

I'm not saying we should be allowed to, but the spec should mention it.

thejonymyster

13:45

true! hm

Adám

It'd be quite simple in APL: 0 1∊⍨⊂

(This is without limiting allowed inputs.)

Wheat Wizard

And what counts as limiting the set of possible inputs?

thejonymyster

right yea "if its a member of this group output this value of the group, else output the other value of this group" as a literal translation of the challenge

Wheat Wizard

I mean probably a program is not going to be able to take an error thunk as input.

thejonymyster

error thunk? i cant tell if thats a typo or a concept i do not know

Adám

13:47

The idea would be the input as predicate.

Wheat Wizard

@thejonymyster It's data that when evaluated instantly causes an error.

thejonymyster

ah that makes sense

@Adám what does this mean? (asking as noob)

Wheat Wizard

For example if you lazily evaluate 1/0 it's thunk and can be dealt with, but if you inspect it it errors.

Adám

{0::0⋄⍵:1} in APL where {0::0 catches any error and returns 0. ⋄ (then) ⍵: if the argument (only 0 and 1 are valid Booleans), 1 then return 1.

(This is an invalid solution, btw. but brought here to illustrate the concept).

thejonymyster

oh like, evaluating the input to determine whether to accept or reject it rather than just normally reading it?

Adám

13:51

Yeah.

thejonymyster

:D i learn

Wheat Wizard

It's probably at the very least only possible in untyped or very close to untyped languages.

PyGamer0

@Wezl-acautionarytale ... (i am waiting)

Wheat Wizard

It's also does get into questions of what it means to be equal to something else.

PyGamer0

@WheatWizard is your pfp from a game?

Wezl - a cautionary tale

13:53

@PyGamer0 oh sorry. I was just going to say that the j's curve is smaller than the r's curve, and I think it would look more consistent if they were the same

thejonymyster

@PyGamer0 it appears to be a photograph, so i doubt it. see for yourself though i.sstatic.net/ZEfmj.png?s=128&g=1?

Wheat Wizard

@PyGamer0 No it's Norsola Johnson, the cellist for Godspeed You! Black Emperor from their 2002-03-13 concert.

thejonymyster

oh hell yea

do they still tour i wanna see them live at some point

PyGamer0

lol it looks like some video game character on a horse holding a bow

Wheat Wizard

They just cancelled their European tour.

I had tickets to see them in Koeln.

thejonymyster

13:55

rats

Wheat Wizard

But I will probably see them in the states, that's not cancelled yet.

PyGamer0

@Wezl-acautionarytale ok

Wheat Wizard

PyGamer0

still looks like a guy on a horse, with a weapon lol

thejonymyster

i see it lol

Wheat Wizard

13:59

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