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10:00 AM
@TIPS From me.
Legends say Aussies have funny pronunciations of "harbor" and "baby".
Wait what
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@angussidney not a clue... Pops is America somewhere, don't know where, so UTC afternoon I'd guess
10:01 AM
@ArtOfCode Eastern United States, so UTC-5
I have seen Pops active at times of the day that surprised me.
Some of you people here in chat surprise me too
Undo and Yvette seem to be in chat 22/7ish
@wythagoras right-o, so basically anywhere in the range UTC0 1400-2200.
@angussidney Some people are more than one person.
I'm usually around 18-19/7
10:03 AM
@angussidney lol yeh
On weekdays I'm only about 6hrs a day and on weekends about 10hrs a day
chat.se is blocked on school internet :/
so is half of the SE network
To prevent cheating in exams?
what's the meeting about?
see the top pinned star
16 hours ago, by ArtOfCode
IOW: Pops is gonna drop in at some point in the next week or two and talk integration with us.
10:05 AM
ah k thanks
@ArtOfCode just looked that up, smack bang in the middle of the night for me :(
@angussidney yep, quite a lot of American-timed things don't work for you guys :( Read the transcript and drop your comments in the morning after
@TIPS (sorry for the late reply) we pronounce them as 'har-ba' and 'bae-bee' (so basically exacly as they are spelled)
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@ArtOfCode It gets really annoying sometimes
10:08 AM
How many Australian accents are there?
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I mean major ones.
@angussidney aye... I get to be slap bang in the middle, which is pretty convenient
@Yvette correct
10:09 AM
it just varies by strength of accent
@Yvette you don't say
@angussidney exactly ;)
@Yvette beat me to it twice
@TIPS two, normal and stereotypical
@angussidney great minds and all that
10:09 AM
@Quill That's two too many.
@Quill crikey, stone the crows, whaddya mean?
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I understand Brits. Most of them at least. All they want to do is to squish the vowels and swallow /r/.
Aussies, on the other hand
While we're at it, would anyone else like me to answer some more questions about aussies?
@angussidney we're awesome
10:13 AM
@angussidney Anyone other than me?
You can too
if he can't prevent Yvette beating him to the post.. I promise I won't
To the post? Which post?
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10:15 AM
I just added Patents to the list of bizarre SE's.
I had this idea for a while, and I thought it was worth sharing by now, even if I have to interrupt a fairly useless conversation about accents. How about lowering the number of spam or offensive flags needed from (1) users who have the Deputy/Marshal badge on that site (or even on any site), (2) users who are moderator on any site, and/or (3) users who belong to the charcoal team (i.e. those who can give feedback)
Especially (3) is interesting considering integration
@wythagoras This is one of those good ideas that is not necessary.
@wythagoras but 3 is also a bit harder to implement
There appears to be a bunch of spam on patents SE
The devs will implement something that the sites need a dire need of.
go down the questions list and flag them everyone
10:17 AM
With us shotgunning neckbeards, we don't have a problem of spam lying around, except perhaps in quiet betas.
So it boils down to "there isn't any problem to be solved" maxim.
I like the idea, though.
On most sites, this is not necessary, but I've seen spam sitting aroud for hours, even though it was reported here.
As I said, it's a good idea @Art, but not one that will be implemented unless spammers suddenly get smarter and more bored.
The only time we really have issues is on quiet sites, where it can sit for a while without gathering 6 flags.
Maybe also consider allowing deletion by 1 flag if something has been flagged and not yet deleted after x minutes.
10:21 AM
And I would really like to see Charcoal being trusted with 2x weight spam flags, but honestly it might do more harm than good... as soon as people found out that being a regular here gets you more MOAR POWAH, we'd get overrun by people coming in here just to get power.
@ArtOfCode Yeah, thats what I thought, but if we keep it quiet most people won't notice
and then the administrative overhead of the list of admitted people would effectively take most of our mods out of feedback and flagging duties
@TIPS What about if I flag a perfectly reasonable post? it would be automatically be deleted after x minutes, even though I was the only one to flag it
@angussidney Ja, lemme think further.
Wait, no, that won't be the case.
How much potential for abuse is there @Angus, when two people flag a post as spam in a dead beta and someone comes later and adds the third spam flag?
I'm asking for that third spam flag to take effect.
@angussidney but the people who would notice are the people who we actually don't want in here (I've got a couple in mind who I know would notice, and who would really grate with the people in here)
10:25 AM
@TIPS yeah, that works
@ArtOfCode Am I one of them? Haha
You're already here, so no ;)
Restart: API quota is 4614.
I'm still considered partially potentially useful.
10:27 AM
@ArtOfCode alternatively you could only allow people who are metasmoke-review allowed
but once again, if people find out....
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Yeah, people finding out is the problem. Using MS reviewers would be easier to administrate, because it could be done automatically (JSON endpoint for SE to hit to update its cache).
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But yeah, we'd end up with hundreds of people signing up for accounts on MS just to see if they can get power. And, with the way metasmoke approved users currently work, that's all up to Undo to admin.
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10:29 AM
@ArtOfCode So they'll all lose hope eventually. Win
@TIPS you're too optimistic :P
Does askubuntu have a lower required flag count or something? spam seems to get deleted faster
No, I'm a bad pessimist. There's a difference.
or is it just cause smokey is in their chatroom
We could build tooling to let any MS admin promote user accounts, but I think Undo prefers it the current way so that he's a single point of access to metasmoke. Reduces the attack surface for abuse
10:31 AM
@angussidney I don't think there's anything special about AU other than a bunch of bored companion flaggers
@angussidney nope, standard values
Not as prevalent as SOCVR, but they're like machines.
And have an envyingly fast internet
Don't even get me started on my internet...
10:34 AM
Pretty sure my router caps me down at 11MB/s
and then my ISP's speed ain't great so I don't get anywhere near that
Yeah, looking at right around 10Mbps (2.5MB/s) right now
@ArtOfCode you lucky lucky person
I get really excited when I reach 1mb/s
1 millibit per second? ;)
But it's not the speed that matters, we only get 16GB per month to share between a family of 4
@angussidney mate
I used 239GB last month and that was a slow one
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10:40 AM
So I think I win. At having the worst internet.
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Ouch. I used to be on 50GB/mo for 4 people, and that was difficult.
Let's see what I've used recently...
We would get more, in fact there are plans cheaper than ours for unlimited data on ADSL, but we are stuck with 4G mobile broadband so....
One of the few things I need from my apartment is decent, unlimited internet
@Magisch Do you live in heaven?
@angussidney A slower internet than mine? What are you? Australian?
December '07, we used 0.416GB, between 4 people, in the entire month.
10:43 AM
Jun '16, 72.781GB.
@TIPS actually I'm an aussie who doesn't live in a capital city
the people in cities get around 25MB/s I think
@TIPS LOts of backups and administration of a minecraft server
@Magisch Heh. I recall that pain, and I was only the developer.
> talk integration with us
how so?
with SE?
10:46 AM
@Yvette that's the one
so what will happen?
will it mean we have hoards of people in here :/
Nobody knows yet
A CM is coming over to find out whats possible
@Yvette I think the idea is that we want to prevent that
They're kicking off the next SE Quality Project in a few weeks' time, and spam filters are part of that - but so that they can be prepared, they're gonna come have a chat with us before they kick the project off. That'll be this week or next week.
10:47 AM
@angussidney thank God
I'd like to attend that meeting too if that's ok
In short: they want to explore what options are possible for integrating the Smokey system with SE native systems.
as an avid smokey fan
I hope the next quality project is fixing the #docsrepgateapocolypse
10:48 AM
@Yvette yeah, I'd like to see as many of us here as possible - that means more ideas. But fair warning: it's likely to be in the UTC 1400-2200 range, which is the middle of the night for you
yeh and I'm never here at that time ;)
I still have a (perhaps irrational) fear that making the smokey project more official will mean that I'll fall by the wayside in the process, which would be sad because killing spam quickly is one of my high points in boring days of code reviewing and programming
@Magisch it won't mean that. I'm gonna work to keep all our non-mod people involved as much as possible. You lot make up the backbone of the Smokey system.
@ArtOfCode what day is it?
10:51 AM
no formal date or time
@AshishAhujaツ one of those that happen in the next 2 weeks
ah okay. If possible I'll attend it
@ArtOfCode When it happens, can you ping me?
I get room pings on my phone
@ArtOfCode me too, so I remember to look at the transcript
Yeah, sure. If we arrange it at all in advance, I'll stick an event in the room schedule too, so that people can subscribe to it.
10:52 AM
Who is Pops?
@AshishAhujaツ CM
a community manager
@ArtOfCode me three
A CM, see here
10:53 AM
Is it now my turn to link to his profile?
@Yvette I got the link in first :P
> Community Manager at Stack Exchange since August 2013. Due to the volume of mail I get, if you send me a message — pops@(either stackoverflow or stackexchange).com — you actually will* get a personal reply!

*: offer not valid if you are a spammer, bot, jerk or troll
@angussidney yes you did my young assassin, yes you did ;)
@ArtOfCode What if I am an anti-spammer/jerk/troll bot? :P
10:55 AM
@angussidney then you probably can't write an email
I am a floating head
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofstadter%27s_law > Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law.
@ArtOfCode [challenge-accepted] starts re-writing smokey to send emails
Completely random, I need some people's honest opinion: do you consider me a smokey regular or just some guy who pops in every now and then? (you can't hurt my feelings)
11:00 AM
@angussidney new regular
You're in here enough to count as regular, but you're also pretty new
Sounds bout right. Thanks.
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OT, BTW: We're having a fine discussion on meta.chem about flagging answers.
@Nij the main problem here is that the label isn't exactly representative of all VLQ posts, and there are other posts that aren't VLQ but the label fits to. Take spam as an example. While no amount of editing will make spam legitimate content, VLQ is not the flag option I go for when seeing spam. Frankly, the labels mean nothing at all compared to how members have established the usage of pretty much any function in an SE site. The main reason that your flag got declined was that the post attempted to answer the question, and this is sufficient reason not to delete it. — TIPS 57 secs ago
Where is rene?
11:02 AM
@TIPS rene isn't there on chem.SE
Thank you capt. obvious Ashish.
BRB changing name to capt. obvious to allow for some puns
1800 rene for hire
Wait, "TIPS" allows for more puns.
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Is someone a mod here? @@rene
11:04 AM
@SmokeDetector k
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How in the world can you advertise beard?
I'm really not going to superping rene
@angussidney me
just ask him elsewhere <_<
11:08 AM
Was just about to pop into the tavern to ping rene... but magisch beat me to it
@angussidney nope ..
7 mins ago, by TIPS
OT, BTW: We're having a fine discussion on meta.chem about flagging answers.
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@angussidney so?
11:10 AM
I believe @TIPS wanted your input on the discussion or something
@rene So we wanted to ping you for the heck of it
It's nice how I got a whole chat to ping a flower.
I should concentrate my power on more useful things.
Like ice cream
We have to agree to disagree then ...
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@ArtOfCode did anything ever happen with this? docs.google.com/document/d/…
11:18 AM
@TIPS why don't you ask smokey for some ice cream then?
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@angussidney I don't think so; Undo never said anything about a reply. @Undo, any more info than that?
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11:31 AM
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I like the image that comes on AU when a post does not exist. Something different from other sites
11:44 AM
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@angussidney sure? The q looks related
@AshishAhujaツ yeah, but the answer is a very standard 'oh thanks for sharing, really helpful, <link to site>'
Usually spam
@AshishAhujaツ Also, the username tells you quite a bit.
11:47 AM
hmm. I didn't notice the username. I agree
@AshishAhujaツ have you seen SU's 404 page? superuser.com/404
I really suggest looking at each of the /error and /404 pages for SO, SU and SF
@angussidney what about Worldbuilding?
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11:51 AM
@SmokeDetector Also the text can be compared to metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/35389
@ArtOfCode Nice, didn't realise worldbuilding had a custom 404 page
yeah, every site with a design should have one
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@ArtOfCode blender.se had a meta post asking for ideas, but sadly never got implemented.
And it had all the potential for lots of puns....
@ArtOfCode Can those also have a custom text?
@wythagoras most of them don't
11:56 AM
Well bye everyone, I'm off for the night
night all
12:13 PM
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^^ too broad
@ᴡᴏʀᴅs spamflag or too broad
12:16 PM
Deleted now, so the point is moot
Richest celebrities are a popular topic on Patents: chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=richest&room=11540
some new spam
doesnt matter to me, gets nuked all the same, and the spammers get nothing but lots of wasted time and effort
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@SmokeDetector k
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@SmokeDetector k
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> You'll get a quality plagiarism
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@SmokeDetector spam
API quota rolled over with 3510 requests remaining. Current quota: 9999.
stackoverflow: 1011
askubuntu: 484
superuser: 414
drupal: 222
unix: 210
gaming: 200
english: 160
travel: 154
electronics: 133
math: 128
ell: 102
mathoverflow.net: 100
mathematica: 87
salesforce: 86
scifi: 82
codegolf: 80
apple: 80
security: 76
gis: 74
dba: 71
android: 70
workplace: 69
magento: 68
sharepoint: 66
academia: 65
programmers: 65
physics: 59
wordpress: 59
worldbuilding: 58
gamedev: 57
diy: 57
meta: 54
ru.stackoverflow: 53
movies: 52
tex: 51
stats: 49
arduino: 48
puzzling: 44
money: 44
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1:10 PM
@SmokeDetector k
Why not "link at end of body"? shrug
@ᴡᴏʀᴅs maybe because in the end of the source, it is like:

[1]: <link>
Smokey reads the HTML generated from Markdown. What it sees is here: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/36004
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer: Google Analytics in AngularJS by user6663481 on stackoverflow.com
@ᴡᴏʀᴅs ah. Then I dunno
is that website ok? I can't visit it right now
1:15 PM
@SmokeDetector spam with text copied from comment
@SmokeDetector The link didn't have / at the end of URL, which Smokey expected.
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@SmokeDetector k
1:35 PM
@ArtOfCode That might be what this is about, don't really know.
1:48 PM
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@Undo Not sure how this will play out
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Lets hope it ends up positive for charcoal
Yeah, I'm having a hard time seeing it not be.
2:00 PM
@Undo I brought this up with Art already but I have some ... concerns that if this thing goes more official that some of us who aren't already vetted by SE (non mods) won't be able to participate.
3 hours ago, by ArtOfCode
@Magisch it won't mean that. I'm gonna work to keep all our non-mod people involved as much as possible. You lot make up the backbone of the Smokey system.
@Magisch Nah
Like I said, its just a concern
Grill your concerns and we can have a barbecue!
@Magisch Before you start worrying, let's actually talk to Pops. Right now we are all speculating on what the conversation will be, what possible integration will look like and what the end result will be. We have to do step one first...get a CM into this room. After that, we see what SE likes and wants to do.
2:04 PM
I hope that whatever they do, they add shiny graphs and stats to it. For the sake of enjoyment
@Magisch Like Andy said, it's all speculation, but I wouldn't worry about that. Anthing is likely to be run off metasmoke, probably as another layer on top of everything else. I'm not seeing core change much for this
2:29 PM
Alternatively, we're all getting banned for violating some small phrase in the terms of service.
That sounds like fun.
2:49 PM
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Sounds like F.
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@SmokeDetector Are they relieving a miracle?
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@SmokeDetector k
also...potentially a new word to add?
I don't know if it's common, but just the username made it obvious it wasn't going to be a legit post
6:46 PM
It doesn't seem to be common. Thankfully, our poster was stupid enough to hold their shift and 1 for more than a couple of seconds.
6:59 PM
Good question. The mathematics on this site is far too precious for humanity to ever lose. — MathematicsStudent1122 Jul 29 at 15:26
Heh, I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.
@ᴡᴏʀᴅs do you consider the math.SE math to be far too precious to be lost, if such loss is possible?
7:18 PM
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yeah yeah, I know
shush now metasmoke, I got there before you
oh hey, the auto-invalidation system is working - the System account invalidated something
Restart: API quota is 7532.
@TIPS do you consider the chem.SE chem to be far too precious to be lost?
There is no "be lost", so that question is wrong.
And no.
There is nothing on chem.SE that doesn't exist somewhere else in the world.
What Chem does is being a medium to make that info more accessible.
7:35 PM
Good point. I think that the same applies to over 99.9% of the questions on math.SE. The other 0.1%, however, well, there are really nice proofs of certain facts in there, that might not have been given elsewhere.
8:06 PM
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@SmokeDetector I got to flag this. Where are Drupal flaggers?
Drupal usually has long times to deletion.
1 hour later…
9:16 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in body: DELETED ****************************************‌​******* by Niekas Niekas on stackoverflow.com
@SmokeDetector tp-
@SmokeDetector f someone must have k'd that previous...
Yeah, @ArtOfCode. Peter explained that he should have used tp in the future (For first offenses of self vandalism)
@FrankerZ aye, no worries. It doesn't even look like it's gone through to metasmoke, so all is good
And for the record (It wasn't me who marked it k)
I'm a good power user, who rtfm :P
10:02 PM
SOCVR room meeting now (in here), if anyone is interested in that.
Thanks, woulda missed it
diamondiness is irritating when you want to respect a timeout
10:24 PM
Ah, here's the Smokey topic.
@ArtOfCode tell me when that timeout expires :P
the !!/allspam command is for use when truly all a user's posts are spam is my impression; correct?
That's my impression
I'd hesitate to use it even for a user who has only one good post, instead report all the individuals.
@Undo expired
10:41 PM
@Undo expired
actually looked at the clock this time, so I'm waiting for 48:00
Yeah, pretty close
11:26 PM
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how are we supposed to feedback vandalism?
If it's from SO (and it usually is), I'm happy to leave it for SOCVR
Otherwise, the wiki recommends tp-
(I don't share that opinion, because the posts drop into the Tavern unnecessarily)
11:47 PM
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@SmokeDetector tpu-
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