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1:00 AM
ROFL making a word document and put in "#" expecting header.
Solution: Don't use Word
@Doorknob Word is good for simple things
TextWrangler? :P
And somehow I like the idea of @trichoplax's turtle shape as the gold/silver/bronze medals. (Because it's about python and turtle graphics, not trichoplax.)
1:00 AM
@Calvin'sHobbies Yes, good idea.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ That's like saying "An atomic bomb is good for weeding a garden"
@Doorknob legit lol
A: Identifying Duplicate Answers

FlagAsSpamComment Votes Add a comment if you think it's a duplicate answer and ask people to up vote the comment. No loss of reputation for the person who answered, still able to get the opinion of the public. Also, you don't get the muddling of the opinions of others (as in, whether or not they think it'...

@Doorknob <s>weeding a garden</s> everything
@Doorknob If you hunt squirrels with rifles, shouldn't you hunt bears with artillery?
1:02 AM
@FlagAsSpam That's a very old question
@Doorknob Yes, but it neither has an accepted answer nor a community consensus.
@FlagAsSpam I prefer airstrikes for hunting bears
@Calvin'sHobbies I like that too. I could change my avatar at that point to avoid confusion...
@Maltysen Oh.
How about for the medals, we have bottles of cherry jam
for cjam
1:05 AM
I thought of a question for all-holy Meta SE
@trichoplax That reminds me of something Undo once told me. He said that so many people clicked his username in the "closed by" box when he voted to close questions, thinking that it would undo the action, that he had to edit his profile description to clarify...
@Doorknob lol
@Doorknob Wow :)
@trichoplax "I want that fancy blue badge!"
@quartata I'm listening. :D
1:07 AM
@quartata ^
@Calvin'sHobbies I can just imagine that...
It's actually just a feature request for the android app
I need to take some screenshots
Okay. But you got our hopes up. :(
1:10 AM
How does Meta Tavern have tags below the chat room description?
You can add tags to a chatroom
@quartata RO / mod power
Why don't we have some tags?
room topic changed to The Nineteenth Byte: General discussion for codegolf.stackexchange.com | Great minds waste time alike —PhiNotPi [alex-is-wrong]
like that
1:11 AM
Keep that pls
I don't like the tag style, but it is worth it. :P
He could remove it...unless you demod him
Nobody tell Alex. I want to see his reaction when he realizes. :P
Sorry :/
Do deleted pings still get sent?
1:12 AM
Did that ping you?
I still see the "1" thing next to my avatar
But I don't know if it would have appeared in my inbox if I waited
(and if so, what the text would have said)
I see the "1" too
@Doorknob yes
1:13 AM
Seriously, demod alex pls.
add too
Make @quartata mod instead.
@Doorknob Here, I'll leave for a sec, you ping and delete
@RikerW He's a great mod.
Are we having a revolt?
1:14 AM
@quartata Yes, but so he can't change the tag in the room desciption.
Wait, can you take him off the RO list?
That literally has no effect
No, we're keeping Alex. Who else would patiently put up with so much abuse...
@Doorknob Awww.
@trichoplax True.
I could change his parent site though
Still make @quartata mod though, he would be good.
@Doorknob make it Beer SE. :P
1:15 AM
Errbody get ur pitchforks! docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/…
@RikerW hahaha
@Doorknob I still saw the "1" pointing to your deleted message
@Calvin'sHobbies Oh well. :P
@Doorknob He said he joined their private beta, so yeah.
I usually join private betas anyway. (If only for the sole purpose of getting a low user ID)
1:17 AM
@RikerW Hell no
@quartata You would be. :P
I have like 0 meta participation, I'm lazy and I've been here like 3 freaking months
Woah, wait, really, only 3 months?! O_o
Seems like a lot longer
@quartata Really?
1:18 AM
@quartata Did someone else have your avatar before???
@quartata I have been here for 2, so yeah.
@Doorknob I'm only 2 months in .c:
@Doorknob Yeah
I got Fanatic like a week ago.
WTF? are we all new but @Doorknob?
1:19 AM
Hey, @Doorknob lost his snowflake!
I've been here a little longer...
I'm 4 years 3 months.
@RikerW Yep. Winter Bash is over now.
1:19 AM
@Doorknob I feel like the tags need to be a trio. Like
@Calvin'sHobbies Martin will love that...
When is the Spring Bash kickoff?
How about this for the logo:
1:20 AM
oooh fancy
It wouldn't scale down well though, would it?
that looks like chemistry & coding.SE
...isn't that a bit chemistry?
It needs to be able to be favicon-sized
@mınxomaτ Cool, but how does that relate?
1:20 AM
@mınxomaτ This is clever but it needs to be clearer that the middle part is a golf course
@Doorknob Let's try.
@FlagAsSpam get ninja'd!
I for one recognized it immediately
@mınxomaτ Makes me think it's for an Artificial Life site...
1:20 AM
It does look a bit like chemistry
@mınxomaτ computationalbiology.se
@quartata Well, we are experimenting :D
Say. Our vote buttons could be vertical <><'s
That may get us mixed up with Christianity
(@Sp3000 might like that)
@trichoplax That is how @El'endiaStarman found us
1:24 AM
I wouldn't mind.
@Calvin'sHobbies Really? Wow :)
Am I just being gullible now??
Anybody else have a cool true story about how they found here?
1:25 AM
@RikerW sort of
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Elaborate...
scales pretty well.
It does.
I can't really tell what the green shape is in the middle, though.
1:26 AM
@RikerW I fell on top of my computer and I just hit my head against the keyboard. It typed out codegolf.xyz. I hit enter.
@FlagAsSpam Liar. :P
@RikerW Cynic.
I found here by googling hard python exercises and found a couple challenges here.
@RikerW Are you sure?
I was entranced by the esolangs (:P) and stayed.
@trichoplax Yes.
1:28 AM
I found here by seeing an HNQ link to a KotH. I tried and failed to answer it, and resorted to graphical output popularity contests instead.
I came here through HNQ
@trichoplax lol
How about our icon is the xkcd stick guy trying to cram text characters into an overflowing duffel bag or something?
@Doorknob .
@RikerW It's funny because it's true... :)
1:29 AM
@Calvin'sHobbies yes
@Calvin'sHobbies I think the vote buttons should be little golf tees
Sounds cheesy but it would look cool
Or maybe trying to crush them with some kind of vice or clamp
@RikerW I used to be a Puzzling guy. I love puzzles! So naturally, when one of you guys (it must have been @doorknob) commented a link to one of your challenges on a puzzle, I looked at it, and tried my hand at making one. That was about a year ago. More recently, I've picked up the code golf thing again.
1 hour ago, by Calvin's Hobbies
@FlagAsSpam I only hope that they don't go overboard with an actual golf theme
Didn't have a SE account before here. :P
1:29 AM
(Please don't downvote it I know it's bad)
@mods Would a logo meta thread be on-topic?
@Calvin'sHobbies I think we should have a meta post just for "Please no golf references" so the votes can be there for the designers when the time comes.
@Calvin'sHobbies I think this is OK
Failing that it could be little monospace + and -s (like Brainfuck)
If we had Game of Life boats as up/downvotes, we could call it "Downboating" and "Upboating"
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Exactly :D
1:31 AM
Ooh, that's interesting
You know a Cellular Automata SE might be cool
@mınxomaτ 1. @mods doesn't ping anyone. 2. There have been meta posts about the favicon, but I haven't been able to find a meta post about more general design concepts
I don't know if it is too specific
@RikerW not really
1:33 AM
(or rather, @mods doesn't ping anyone in here - if you go to a room where there's a user called modster, they'll get pinged...)
Regarding the site design (whenever that happens), I agree that they should avoid golf references.
It would be literally the cheesiest possible thing.
A: Calculator that adds char values

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'BʀɪᴇɴJolf, 2 bytes Try it here! ui u sum of i the input string Umm... I don't know what else to say.

So we need a few new meta posts:
1. Support for no golf references in the graduated design
2. General suggestions of design do's and don't's (no idea how to apostrophe that)
Are we actually going to make those posts now?
and "do not"s
1:36 AM
Wow. I verbed apostrophe
I got a badge that I didn't know about just now.
@PhiNotPi I guess the worst that can happen is they get closed...
Obligatory XKCD
why are we talking about design concepts as if we're going to graduate before the heat death of the universe
1:37 AM
I was under the impression that the designers would as for our suggestions before they start, and then ask for improvements later on.
@undergroundmonorail Because @Doorknob has discovered the secrets of immortality.
And it's under 10000TB!
@undergroundmonorail Because Doorknob posted a graph a few days ago that looks like we'll be consistently above 10 questions per day with 3 to 6 months
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ this whole time, all you had to do was take a snowflake out of your SE username
@trichoplax But 10 questions/day doesn't matter anymore
1:38 AM
Less chem, more compression action.
@undergroundmonorail huh?
@mınxomaτ I like
@trichoplax my understanding was that we don't have to check off a list of things and then we graduate
we graduate when we've proven that we will fit in the SE network
we won't
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ it was a stupid joke don't worry about it
@Maltysen True, but I got the impression it was more "you can graduate without 10" rather than "10 is no longer sufficient"
@undergroundmonorail Somebody got it :)
Nevermind my meta question is a dupe
But they still didn't fix the thing
1:39 AM
You just got duped.
Q: Would PPCG user interface design contests be out of place?

Calvin's HobbiesWe are still in beta and, as far as I know, stuck with the standard beta user interface of stack exchange sites. But clearly other stack exchanges have custom layouts and graphics for their logo, favicon, buttons, etc.: In my quick search I've found very little definitive information on how th...

like don't get me wrong, if things changed and it became reasonably likely that we'd ever graduate, i'd be for that. i think graduation would be neat. but ppcg is the awkward middle child of the SE network. i'm happy to be here but we don't really fit and everyone knows it
i keep trying to make myself sound like less of a pessimist and it's only getting worse haha
i like our current situation i just don't think it's going to change
@mınxomaτ Could you link your favicon, again?
i hope i get good at code golf before we graduate, i've grown used to my privileges :P
@undergroundmonorail haha
Just invent a golfing lang
1:49 AM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ which
The large one
It was lost in the depths of the transcript
I posted two different logos.
the compression one was good
The green one
1:51 AM
The larger green one
Then don't say favicon ...
it looks cool but i don't get it
is it like a test tube
@undergroundmonorail Yes. It's "Coding Experiments" or something.
@mınxomaτ wait when sites graduate do they get to change their name
1:53 AM
@undergroundmonorail Dunno
I didn't intend to imply that.
Beta sites can basically change their name anytime they want (probably locks in after graduation, though)
Like the moderators -> community building change.
I like the flask one better, but the ZIP one makes more sense.
there was talk on programmers.se about wanting a name change and the admins said "no" but cited reasons for that
rather than just saying "sites can't get name changes"
I like the ZIP one
so i'd assume it's theoretically possible
1:55 AM
There's also the problem of getting the users to agree with the change.
Which has not happened so far for PPCG.
there was talk a while ago
Also why does my new avatar have a black background...
but nothing ever came of it
1:56 AM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ What does Jolf use for its Canvas object?
@SuperJedi224 maybe se avatars don't support transparency
@SuperJedi224 Was it a transparent image?
Yeah, I think so
Load up the image into something like MS Paint, which removes transparency.
1:57 AM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ How does it draw on the canvas?
Does it use the native canvas object?
It uses turtle wax
On a canvas, yes.
@PhiNotPi I posted the logos so if someone wants to make a userscript that styles the page, it could be included. We'll never graduate imo.
Q: Graduation Design Ideas

Calvin's HobbiesProgramming Puzzles & Code Golf will someday graduate out of public beta, and it will get a new site design. Stack Exchange employees generally do all the design work and make the design decisions, but that doesn't mean we can't nudge them in the right direction when the time comes. This meta po...

@mınxomaτ working on it now
1:59 AM
I'm also re-configuring the codegolf.xyz DNS so one can actually browse the site using the domain. The sever could also inject the userscript, if any exist by then.
@Calvin'sHobbies Hahahaha. :P

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