The Nineteenth Byte

RikerW

1:00 AM

ROFL making a word document and put in "#" expecting header.

:P

Doorknob

Solution: Don't use Word

Maltysen

@RikerW stackedit.io

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Doorknob Word is good for simple things

RikerW

TextWrangler? :P

Calvin's Hobbies

And somehow I like the idea of @trichoplax's turtle shape as the gold/silver/bronze medals. (Because it's about python and turtle graphics, not trichoplax.)

RikerW

1:00 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies Yes, good idea.

Doorknob

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ That's like saying "An atomic bomb is good for weeding a garden"

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Doorknob legit lol

FlagAsSpam

Opinions?

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A: Identifying Duplicate Answers

Comment Votes Add a comment if you think it's a duplicate answer and ask people to up vote the comment. No loss of reputation for the person who answered, still able to get the opinion of the public. Also, you don't get the muddling of the opinions of others (as in, whether or not they think it'...

RikerW

@Doorknob <s>weeding a garden</s> everything

FlagAsSpam

@Doorknob If you hunt squirrels with rifles, shouldn't you hunt bears with artillery?

Doorknob

1:02 AM

@FlagAsSpam That's a very old question

FlagAsSpam

@Doorknob Yes, but it neither has an accepted answer nor a community consensus.

Maltysen

@FlagAsSpam I prefer airstrikes for hunting bears

Eh

trichoplax

@Calvin'sHobbies I like that too. I could change my avatar at that point to avoid confusion...

FlagAsSpam

@Maltysen Oh.

Maltysen

How about for the medals, we have bottles of cherry jam

for cjam

quartata

1:05 AM

I thought of a question for all-holy Meta SE

Doorknob

@trichoplax That reminds me of something Undo once told me. He said that so many people clicked his username in the "closed by" box when he voted to close questions, thinking that it would undo the action, that he had to edit his profile description to clarify...

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quartata

@Doorknob lol

trichoplax

@Doorknob Wow :)

Calvin's Hobbies

@trichoplax "I want that fancy blue badge!"

FlagAsSpam

@quartata I'm listening. :D

RikerW

1:07 AM

@quartata ^

trichoplax

@Calvin'sHobbies I can just imagine that...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^^

RikerW

^

^^^

quartata

It's actually just a feature request for the android app

I need to take some screenshots

RikerW

Okay. But you got our hopes up. :(

quartata

1:10 AM

How does Meta Tavern have tags below the chat room description?

RikerW

shrugs

Calvin's Hobbies

You can add tags to a chatroom

Doorknob

@quartata RO / mod power

quartata

Why don't we have some tags?

Doorknob

room topic changed to The Nineteenth Byte: General discussion for codegolf.stackexchange.com | Great minds waste time alike —PhiNotPi [alex-is-wrong]

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like that

RikerW

1:11 AM

Keep that pls

I don't like the tag style, but it is worth it. :P

Calvin's Hobbies

He could remove it...unless you demod him

Doorknob

Nobody tell Alex. I want to see his reaction when he realizes. :P

aww

Calvin's Hobbies

Sorry :/

RikerW

DEMOD HIM!!!!

Calvin's Hobbies

Do deleted pings still get sent?

RikerW

1:12 AM

DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM, DEMOD HIM!!!!

Doorknob

test

RikerW

Did that ping you?

Doorknob

I still see the "1" thing next to my avatar

But I don't know if it would have appeared in my inbox if I waited

(and if so, what the text would have said)

Calvin's Hobbies

I see the "1" too

quartata

@Doorknob yes

RikerW

1:13 AM

Seriously, demod alex pls.

quartata

add stars too

RikerW

Make @quartata mod instead.

Calvin's Hobbies

@Doorknob Here, I'll leave for a sec, you ping and delete

quartata

@RikerW He's a great mod.

PhiNotPi

Are we having a revolt?

RikerW

1:14 AM

@quartata Yes, but so he can't change the tag in the room desciption.

Wait, can you take him off the RO list?

Doorknob

That literally has no effect

trichoplax

No, we're keeping Alex. Who else would patiently put up with so much abuse...

RikerW

@Doorknob Awww.

@trichoplax True.

Doorknob

I could change his parent site though

RikerW

Still make @quartata mod though, he would be good.

@Doorknob make it Beer SE. :P

PhiNotPi

1:15 AM

Errbody get ur pitchforks! docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/…

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Doorknob

@RikerW hahaha

Calvin's Hobbies

@Doorknob I still saw the "1" pointing to your deleted message

Doorknob

@Calvin'sHobbies Oh well. :P

RikerW

@Doorknob He said he joined their private beta, so yeah.

Doorknob

I usually join private betas anyway. (If only for the sole purpose of getting a low user ID)

RikerW

1:17 AM

lol

quartata

@RikerW Hell no

RikerW

@quartata You would be. :P

quartata

I have like 0 meta participation, I'm lazy and I've been here like 3 freaking months

Doorknob

Woah, wait, really, only 3 months?! O_o

Seems like a lot longer

RikerW

@quartata Really?

ninjead

FlagAsSpam

1:18 AM

trichoplax

@quartata Did someone else have your avatar before???

RikerW

@quartata I have been here for 2, so yeah.

FlagAsSpam

@Doorknob I'm only 2 months in .c:

quartata

@Doorknob Yeah

I got Fanatic like a week ago.

RikerW

WTF? are we all new but @Doorknob?

Doorknob

1:19 AM

haha

RikerW

Hey, @Doorknob lost his snowflake!

trichoplax

I've been here a little longer...

PhiNotPi

I'm 4 years 3 months.

RikerW

lol

Doorknob

@RikerW Yep. Winter Bash is over now.

Calvin's Hobbies

1:19 AM

@Doorknob I feel like the tags need to be a trio. Like alex-is-wrong dennis-is-right martin-is-british

RikerW

Okay.

trichoplax

@Calvin'sHobbies Martin will love that...

quartata

It needs to be alex-is-wrong star-abuse this-isnt-stackoverflow

PhiNotPi

When is the Spring Bash kickoff?

mınxomaτ

How about this for the logo:

Doorknob

1:20 AM

oooh fancy

It wouldn't scale down well though, would it?

Maltysen

that looks like chemistry & coding.SE

FlagAsSpam

...isn't that a bit chemistry?

Doorknob

It needs to be able to be favicon-sized

RikerW

@mınxomaτ Cool, but how does that relate?

Calvin's Hobbies

^^^^

RikerW

1:20 AM

^

quartata

@mınxomaτ This is clever but it needs to be clearer that the middle part is a golf course

mınxomaτ

@Doorknob Let's try.

Maltysen

@FlagAsSpam get ninja'd!

quartata

I for one recognized it immediately

trichoplax

@mınxomaτ Makes me think it's for an Artificial Life site...

quartata

1:20 AM

It does look a bit like chemistry

Calvin's Hobbies

@mınxomaτ computationalbiology.se

mınxomaτ

@quartata Well, we are experimenting :D

Calvin's Hobbies

Say. Our vote buttons could be vertical <><'s

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trichoplax

That may get us mixed up with Christianity

Calvin's Hobbies

(@Sp3000 might like that)

@trichoplax That is how @El'endiaStarman found us

RikerW

1:24 AM

I wouldn't mind.

trichoplax

@Calvin'sHobbies Really? Wow :)

Calvin's Hobbies

;)

trichoplax

Am I just being gullible now??

RikerW

Yes.

:P

Anybody else have a cool true story about how they found here?

PhiNotPi

no

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

1:25 AM

@RikerW sort of

mınxomaτ

favicon

RikerW

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Elaborate...

mınxomaτ

scales pretty well.

RikerW

It does.

PhiNotPi

I can't really tell what the green shape is in the middle, though.

FlagAsSpam

1:26 AM

@RikerW I fell on top of my computer and I just hit my head against the keyboard. It typed out codegolf.xyz. I hit enter.

RikerW

@FlagAsSpam Liar. :P

FlagAsSpam

@RikerW Cynic.

RikerW

I found here by googling hard python exercises and found a couple challenges here.

trichoplax

@RikerW Are you sure?

RikerW

I was entranced by the esolangs (:P) and stayed.

@trichoplax Yes.

Yes.

Yes

Yes,

Yes.

No.

:P

trichoplax

1:28 AM

I found here by seeing an HNQ link to a KotH. I tried and failed to answer it, and resorted to graphical output popularity contests instead.

Maltysen

I came here through HNQ

RikerW

@trichoplax lol

Calvin's Hobbies

How about our icon is the xkcd stick guy trying to cram text characters into an overflowing duffel bag or something?

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mınxomaτ

@Doorknob .

trichoplax

@RikerW It's funny because it's true... :)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

1:29 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies yes

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies I think the vote buttons should be little golf tees

Sounds cheesy but it would look cool

trichoplax

Or maybe trying to crush them with some kind of vice or clamp

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@RikerW I used to be a Puzzling guy. I love puzzles! So naturally, when one of you guys (it must have been @doorknob) commented a link to one of your challenges on a puzzle, I looked at it, and tried my hand at making one. That was about a year ago. More recently, I've picked up the code golf thing again.

Calvin's Hobbies

1 hour ago, by Calvin's Hobbies

@FlagAsSpam I only hope that they don't go overboard with an actual golf theme

RikerW

Didn't have a SE account before here. :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

1:29 AM

(Please don't downvote it I know it's bad)

mınxomaτ

@mods Would a logo meta thread be on-topic?

trichoplax

@Calvin'sHobbies I think we should have a meta post just for "Please no golf references" so the votes can be there for the designers when the time comes.

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies I think this is OK

Failing that it could be little monospace + and -s (like Brainfuck)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

If we had Game of Life boats as up/downvotes, we could call it "Downboating" and "Upboating"

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Calvin's Hobbies

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Exactly :D

quartata

1:31 AM

Ooh, that's interesting

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

\o/

quartata

You know a Cellular Automata SE might be cool

trichoplax

@mınxomaτ 1. @mods doesn't ping anyone. 2. There have been meta posts about the favicon, but I haven't been able to find a meta post about more general design concepts

RikerW

FlagAsSpam copycat:

VoteToSpam, 192.168/16

396 13

quartata

I don't know if it is too specific

@RikerW not really

trichoplax

1:33 AM

(or rather, @mods doesn't ping anyone in here - if you go to a room where there's a user called modster, they'll get pinged...)

PhiNotPi

Regarding the site design (whenever that happens), I agree that they should avoid golf references.

It would be literally the cheesiest possible thing.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

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A: Calculator that adds char values

Jolf, 2 bytes Try it here! ui u sum of i the input string Umm... I don't know what else to say.

\o/

trichoplax

So we need a few new meta posts:
1. Support for no golf references in the graduated design
2. General suggestions of design do's and don't's (no idea how to apostrophe that)

PhiNotPi

Are we actually going to make those posts now?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

and "do not"s

trichoplax

1:36 AM

Wow. I verbed apostrophe

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

FlagAsSpam

I got a badge that I didn't know about just now.

codegolf.stackexchange.com/help/badges/63/…

trichoplax

@PhiNotPi I guess the worst that can happen is they get closed...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Obligatory XKCD

undergroundmonorail

why are we talking about design concepts as if we're going to graduate before the heat death of the universe

PhiNotPi

1:37 AM

I was under the impression that the designers would as for our suggestions before they start, and then ask for improvements later on.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@undergroundmonorail Because @Doorknob has discovered the secrets of immortality.

And it's under 10000TB!

trichoplax

@undergroundmonorail Because Doorknob posted a graph a few days ago that looks like we'll be consistently above 10 questions per day with 3 to 6 months

undergroundmonorail

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ this whole time, all you had to do was take a snowflake out of your SE username

mınxomaτ

Maltysen

@trichoplax But 10 questions/day doesn't matter anymore

mınxomaτ

1:38 AM

Less chem, more compression action.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@undergroundmonorail huh?

Maltysen

@mınxomaτ I like

undergroundmonorail

@trichoplax my understanding was that we don't have to check off a list of things and then we graduate

we graduate when we've proven that we will fit in the SE network

which

we won't

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ it was a stupid joke don't worry about it

trichoplax

@Maltysen True, but I got the impression it was more "you can graduate without 10" rather than "10 is no longer sufficient"

@undergroundmonorail Somebody got it :)

quartata

Nevermind my meta question is a dupe

But they still didn't fix the thing

PhiNotPi

1:39 AM

You just got duped.

mınxomaτ

2

Q: Would PPCG user interface design contests be out of place?

We are still in beta and, as far as I know, stuck with the standard beta user interface of stack exchange sites. But clearly other stack exchanges have custom layouts and graphics for their logo, favicon, buttons, etc.: In my quick search I've found very little definitive information on how th...

discussion user-interface

undergroundmonorail

like don't get me wrong, if things changed and it became reasonably likely that we'd ever graduate, i'd be for that. i think graduation would be neat. but ppcg is the awkward middle child of the SE network. i'm happy to be here but we don't really fit and everyone knows it

i keep trying to make myself sound like less of a pessimist and it's only getting worse haha

i like our current situation i just don't think it's going to change

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@mınxomaτ Could you link your favicon, again?

undergroundmonorail

i hope i get good at code golf before we graduate, i've grown used to my privileges :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@undergroundmonorail haha

Just invent a golfing lang

mınxomaτ

1:49 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ which

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

The large one

It was lost in the depths of the transcript

mınxomaτ

I posted two different logos.

Maltysen

the compression one was good

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

The green one

mınxomaτ

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

1:51 AM

The larger green one

mınxomaτ

Then don't say favicon ...

undergroundmonorail

it looks cool but i don't get it

is it like a test tube

mınxomaτ

@undergroundmonorail Yes. It's "Coding Experiments" or something.

BlockCoder1392

833

undergroundmonorail

@mınxomaτ wait when sites graduate do they get to change their name

mınxomaτ

1:53 AM

@undergroundmonorail Dunno

I didn't intend to imply that.

PhiNotPi

Beta sites can basically change their name anytime they want (probably locks in after graduation, though)

Like the moderators -> community building change.

mınxomaτ

I like the flask one better, but the ZIP one makes more sense.

undergroundmonorail

there was talk on programmers.se about wanting a name change and the admins said "no" but cited reasons for that

rather than just saying "sites can't get name changes"

SuperJedi224

I like the ZIP one

undergroundmonorail

so i'd assume it's theoretically possible

PhiNotPi

1:55 AM

There's also the problem of getting the users to agree with the change.

undergroundmonorail

yeah

PhiNotPi

Which has not happened so far for PPCG.

undergroundmonorail

there was talk a while ago

SuperJedi224

Also why does my new avatar have a black background...

undergroundmonorail

but nothing ever came of it

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

1:56 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ What does Jolf use for its Canvas object?

undergroundmonorail

@SuperJedi224 maybe se avatars don't support transparency

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ Clarify?

PhiNotPi

@SuperJedi224 Was it a transparent image?

SuperJedi224

Yeah, I think so

PhiNotPi

Load up the image into something like MS Paint, which removes transparency.

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

1:57 AM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ How does it draw on the canvas?

Does it use the native canvas object?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It uses turtle wax

On a canvas, yes.

ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ

Wow.

mınxomaτ

@PhiNotPi I posted the logos so if someone wants to make a userscript that styles the page, it could be included. We'll never graduate imo.

Calvin's Hobbies

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Q: Graduation Design Ideas

Programming Puzzles & Code Golf will someday graduate out of public beta, and it will get a new site design. Stack Exchange employees generally do all the design work and make the design decisions, but that doesn't mean we can't nudge them in the right direction when the time comes. This meta po...

discussion beta-status

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@mınxomaτ working on it now

mınxomaτ

1:59 AM

I'm also re-configuring the codegolf.xyz DNS so one can actually browse the site using the domain. The sever could also inject the userscript, if any exist by then.

El'endia Starman

@Calvin'sHobbies Hahahaha. :P

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