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5pike

1:00 PM

@MadMAxJr The cool thing about 6 is, that Kefka freaking won.

Yuuki

@StrixVaria Not to undermine your point, but according to @Unionhawk, that's @Retrosaur.

5pike

@Yuuki Yeah, it's him

StrixVaria

For a second I thought you meant UniKitty was Retrosaur and then everything made sense.

But then I realized it wasn't and things are blurry again.

In any case, he should leave moderation efforts to moderators.

Sometimes Retrosaur's contributions to chat aren't trolling.

Yuuki

Hmm... why not both?

(In that UniKitty and Kappagasm are Retrosaur)

StrixVaria

@Yuuki Mod magic doesn't make the link, although I haven't ruled it out to be honest.

It's a similar trolling style.

GodEmperorDune

1:10 PM

@Chippies np

fredley

IOS KEY HELL WORST HELL

GodEmperorDune

@fredley what kind of ios key?

Yuuki

The Sound of Saturn: The Winds of Titan, from the Huygens Probe

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Rapitor

ios key?

Kevin van der Velden

@GodEmperorDune certificate signing key probably

two bugs

1:22 PM

@fredley Ah, you're suffering from iBola

fredley

Hard disk failure, have to regenerate all the keys

Rapitor

@Yuuki interesting.

GodEmperorDune

@fredley oh yeah, that sucks

you should have put your private keys online somewhere for redundandcy

GnomeSlice

Steam refunds are being exploited (obviously)

:/

Kevin van der Velden

@GnomeSlice Yeah that's a pretty terrible article

Or wait this is a new one quoting the bad one

GnomeSlice

1:25 PM

also puppygames.net/blog/?p=1708

> So overnight… suddenly all games are demos, now, for very, very cheap games. Whether there’s a demo or not. And not only the usual cripply demos where you only get levels 1 to 10. No, you get the whole game as your demo. That’s pretty awesome for consumers. It’s pretty awesome for me as a consumer (yes! you do realise I actually play games too, right?)

> It’s not so awesome for developers though. Over the years, developers have been designing games lately that have been freed of one of the original shackles of design that were imposed by the old demo conversion model.

Kevin van der Velden

Also this devsonsteamrefunds.tumblr.com

Which is actual quotes from devs

From what I've read nearly all positive about it

With some "Yeah, the policy needs some tweaking but overall good"

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice One of the games mentioned here, RPG Tycoon, has bad reviews.

Maybe it's getting a lot of refunds because people actually finally can refund it after realizing it's bad.

two bugs

It sounds like the no feedback thing is a problem

MadMAxJr

I'm curious if anybody has abused it to buy one of the games that are also on origin, get the key, see if they can redeem the key on origin, then return the steam copy.

StrixVaria

@twobugs Yes, that could definitely be improved.

two bugs

1:28 PM

If you want to get a refund to should at least say something about it

GnomeSlice

> It really does seem like the system is being abused to offer extended periods of free gameplay, reaching far beyond the 2-hour play limit that the policy outlines. With no contingency in place to prevent multiple refunds on multiple sales of the same title to the same merchant, Steam users could essentially keep the cycle going as long as they please. An exploit which might invite more strict, third-party DRM measures from developers.

This is the main thing that's fuct for me.

two bugs

Like, technical issue? Game was misleading?

Kevin van der Velden

@StrixVaria as does another (qwiboo has a bunch of good ones that noone is recommending while the bad reviews are marked as helpful)

Rapitor

@GnomeSlice wait, you are allowed to buy->refund->buy indefinitely?

Kevin van der Velden

Also: "Bloody hell steam refund rate has gone from 0.09% to 17%" WELL YEAH DUH

What did you expect to happen when they started officially allowing refunds?

GnomeSlice

1:29 PM

@Rapitor That's what it sounds like

Kevin van der Velden

It'll go up for a while and probably settle down

Yuuki

@Rapitor No, I think it's buy a 4-pack, play->refund, play another copy -> refund, etc.

GodEmperorDune

@GnomeSlice that sounds like it should be an easy fix on valve's side

two bugs

17% refund rate is pretty high, I'd say it's indicative of some other issues

Kevin van der Velden

What has it been, like, 2 weeks?

Yuuki

1:30 PM

Or at least that's how I interpreted it.

Lazers 2.0

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Q: How do I find out my VRAM?

I tried some Skyrim visual overhauls and some of them asked my vram. How do I find it and where?

Yuuki

But I could be wrong.

Jurassic Park theme at 0.001x speed is rather Zen. Then again, I guess most songs at that speed would be.

Kevin van der Velden

@twobugs 17% is indeed pretty high I'd say, initial spike I'd assume

Private Pansy

@KevinvanderVelden Yeah, I believe some developers say they see purchases made months ago being refunded

It's just the initial spike

Kevin van der Velden

@PrivatePansy yeah

Google says it started on june 2nd. That is waay too early to draw any decent conclusion

two bugs

1:34 PM

I hope you're right. We'll see if it smooths out

Lazers 2.0

0

Q: Why won't my minecraft PE let me in a multiplayer server

My minecraft pe is not working and is saying I have an invalid user name when ever I try to log in. I have tried shutting off my device and even restarted the WI-FI but nothing has worked.

minecraft

GnomeSlice

I dunno if I agree that Valve is wholly to blame but the latter part of that section I totally am down with.

> Blog post too long now. TL;DR: Steam’s refunds are great for everbody, but only when the pricing returns to normal.

> Definitely not the only factor in it, no, but probably the biggest factor by far I think. “Bundlegeddon” also – but remember that Bundlegeddon is in cahoots with Steam anyway. Steam keys at one point were like bitcoins.

ha

> The change we foresee is that, entirely reasonably, a fairly large proportion of paying customers will not like our games, which is to be expected. And there’s always those customers with dodgy rigs which just won’t run them, or perhaps they just can’t get controllers to work. It doesn’t really matter why.

> But this means that at the current prices of games where before we made $x per game, we now make $x/2, and clearly that’s not going to work for any of us as we’ll all pretty much go out of business overnight.

> It worked before because we were forced to charge a deliberately small price for games to mitigate buyer remorse and enable Valve to shift more copies. Now it’s going to have to shift back to a small number of high-value copies instead, which comes with all sorts of other benefits like incentive to proper support, decent customer relations, and customer investment.

> The people that buy games at higher prices and hang on to them are very valuable indeed, and those are exactly the sorts of people a business really needs to survive.

yes this

Kevin van der Velden

There's also now a new group of customers who wouldn't buy it if they couldn't get a refund

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