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KitFox

12:25 AM

room topic changed to English Language & Usage: Come cut your teeth on our tongue (no tags)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

cuts teeth

usually I cut my tongue on my teeth though

Robusto

12:45 AM

@tchrist Looks like someone deleted all those comments.

portin.daniel

1:14 AM

Is there a word that means "to act from a sense of shame" or "to act after being humiliated An example situation might be if everyone in a group of people had some fault except one person , and the group acts in order to fault that person in the same way so that he or she can't feel superior, "implicating them" in the fault.

Ice Boy

3:02 AM

@portin.daniel conforming to peer pressure?

GnomeSlice

3:58 AM

►

Will Hunting

7:05 AM

@KitFox You seem to be missing in this chat the past few days.

Ice Boy

busy, busy, busy?

Cerberus

@JohanLarsson Poor you!

You could buy your own Android?

A Moto E for €120ish.

Johan Larsson

don't think it is an option, dunno how to setup sync with Notes then

Ice Boy

so your company has a contract with Apple?

Cerberus

@Alraxite What messages?

Chat messages?

Johan Larsson

7:18 AM

@IceBoy They have standardized on the use of iPhone for ease of maintenance

Cerberus

I only know about the Greasemonkey script, as you say.

I didn't know that Firefox extension.

Ice Boy

@JohanLarsson it looks like you're forced to conform pal

can you set up an iPad as a phone?

Johan Larsson

@IceBoy Yeah, they will probably send security who will escort me to my desk and unbox one soon :)

Ice Boy

it only hurts for a little while

Johan Larsson

:)

Ice Boy

7:32 AM

:)

Johan Larsson

Upside is that it will hurt Cerb more

Ice Boy

:D

Johan Larsson

@Cerb why are you up this time btw?

Did you put your sleeping schedule in orbit?

Cerberus

@JohanLarsson I went to bed around 1!

Ice Boy

@JohanLarsson do you mind if I star that?

Cerberus

7:33 AM

So I slept very badly and woke up many times. I finally woke up at 7.

Johan Larsson

@IceBoy I don't mind and if I did it should not stop you imo.

Ice Boy

@Cerberus a continuous sound sleep is the most important part of sleeping

don't go to bed until you feel that you will sleep continuously...

...of course, stuff like dreams, and unexpected interrupts are beyond our control.

I'm no sleep expert, but that's how I do it :-)

sleep is good, but a good sleep is better

@JohanLarsson nah, I changed my mind because it seems kinda mean.

saying it is one thing; endorsing it is another

Johan Larsson

8:06 AM

yeah purrhaps

Matt Эллен

8:22 AM

I didn't know MSO allowed executable javascript code snippets!

pretty cool

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Q: Stack Snippets Sandbox - Try It Out Here!

This post is dedicated to testing out the newly announced Stack Snippets feature. Feel free to answer with your own Stack Snippets, and have some fun!

Ice Boy

Wow, thanks for sharing.

Ice Boy

9:16 AM

@MattЭллен was your removed comment for me?

Matt Эллен

no, it was redundant after I edited my original comment

Ice Boy

icic

hey

1+ is too good.

Matt Эллен

Finds somewhere comfy. Settles

RutvikSutaria

9:39 AM

1+ is 10 times better than nexus 5

hey

also much more cheaper.

RutvikSutaria

Iphone is in danger, due to android.

hey

It's Apple, not so easy. They will do something....

Robusto

11:17 AM

A word that nobody will understand is helpful to whom, exactly? — Robusto 43 secs ago

@MattЭллен Wait, why don't we have that in ELU? Not fair! Not bloody fair!

Ice Boy

who said life was fair?

Andrew Leach

Why does that invalidate a complaint that it isn't?

Ice Boy

Because the complaint that it isn't is just that, a complaint

Robusto

11:41 AM

A mega-smiley doesn't strengthen your argument.

Ice Boy

QED

Andrew Leach

It's not fair that I wasn't told life wouldn't be fair.

Ice Boy

exception: if your name was "Fair."

Robusto

va-t'en faire foutre.

I think that's how it's spelled.

Ice Boy

is it fair to name your child "Unfair"?

or is it unfair?

Andrew Leach

11:48 AM

@Robusto Looks good to me.

RegDwigнt

Where was that comment where someone said that Barrie didn't need to appeal to authorities because he was an authority in his own right?

From time to time I'd like to claim just that for myself, but I can't quite come up with the sort of elegant wording that commenter used.

Ice Boy

keep trying

RegDwigнt

But... lazy?

Ice Boy

in Mathematics, 32 mins ago, by Ice Boy

without effort there can be no learning

RegDwigнt

Nonsense. Without repetition there can be no learning. And repetition is the opposite of effort.

Ice Boy

11:57 AM

are you serious?

RegDwigнt

I am always serious.

Some languages even have a proverb to the extent that "repetition is the mother of learning".

Of course English does not, so you shall be excused for wondering.

Ice Boy

how can repetition be the opposite of effort?

RegDwigнt

Go repeat "car" ten times. Just how hard was that?

It's mechanical.

Which is the whole point.

If you repeat something over and over again, it becomes your second nature.

Same for "2+2 = 4".

There is no effort involved in accepting that. Just dumb repetition.

Ice Boy

things become effortless only by putting in the effort to repeat them, that doesn't make repetition the opposite of effort

RegDwigнt

If you must insist, it's mindless minimum effort.

What requires actual effort is research.

Ice Boy

12:03 PM

thank you

RegDwigнt

Finding out new things vs. learning existing ones. Again, the complete opposite.

If I tell you how to pronounce Хабаровск and you repeat it a couple times, that's not effort. If all you have is the sequence of letters, Хабаровск, and you have to figure out the pronunciation by yourself, now that is effort.

That's why absolutely everyone can learn a new word every day, but barely anyone ever discovers Radium.

Andrew Leach

Khabarovsk. I suppose I must have done some research at some point.

RegDwigнt

See, you did not pronounce anything. One giant failure start to finish.

Ice Boy

most of the people who discovered those elements died of radiation poisoning

Andrew Leach

@RegDwigнt But I did. You're just too far away to hear.

RegDwigнt

12:08 PM

The ultimate effort: death.

@AndrewLeach ha. That's because you haven't turned around yet.

Ice Boy

we differ in our definitions of learning

which is ok

live and learn

RegDwigнt

Nah, we only differ in our definitions of effort.

Ice Boy

icic

RegDwigнt

Learning your definition is too much effort for me, but apparently it wasn't for you.

Ice Boy

my definition of effort is simple

RegDwigнt

12:17 PM

5

Low Temperature Experiment

Proposed Q&A site for experimental physicists and engineers working with low temperature environments.

Currently in definition.

Ice Boy

it takes energy

RegDwigнt

Not in low temperature.

Ice Boy

are you trolling me?

RegDwigнt

I think I shall propose a new Q&A site about the letter N.

@IceBoy I'm not even here, I'm trying to figure out the physics room.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt for mathematicians and people called Norman, interested in the letter N

RegDwigнt

12:19 PM

Actually, no, the letter N is too broad. Everyone uses it.

I shall propose a new Q&A site about the word amaranthine.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt for people who read Revelation Space and want to pretend they're bird like aliens

Ice Boy

I shall propose a new Q&A site about learning & effort :)

RegDwigнt

I think there are half a dozen. One of them live.

1176

Personal Productivity – productivity.stackexchange.com

Beta Q&A site for people wanting to improve their personal productivity.

Currently in public beta.

Begeezis. That's like three years.

Those people are not very productive!

Matt Эллен

to productive too answer questions about productivity

or maybe too productive to ask them

RegDwigнt

Keep editing, you're almost making sense.

Matt Эллен

12:24 PM

I make as much sense as I mean to

RegDwigнt

@MattЭллен but that's the thing, that's the usual joke, "people can't participate in the site because it'll lower their productivity". But then people would not participate at all, and the site would die.

Apparently, however, they are just the right amount of not productive to keep it in zombie state for a full three years.

Matt Эллен

productive v — I'm too busy doing other things to write the definition.

RegDwigнt

At least here on ELU I don't have to pretend I'm not wasting my time.

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Matt Эллен

:D

RegDwigнt

@MattЭллен this is awesome. I only just realized that "productive" and "procrastination" are the same thing!

Matt Эллен

12:28 PM

lol

Robusto

12:54 PM

Procrastination is too much work for me.

RegDwigнt

1:13 PM

I'd reply to that but that would mean effo-oh hey look a doggy.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt That's not procrastination. That's distractination.

Besides, doesn't Italy or Greece lay claim to the title of "procrasti-nation"?

RegDwigнt

@Robusto And I might even care about that, but only after opening a dictionary and looking up care.

@Robusto I only know that Switzerland is the Rösti-nation.

Robusto

Seriously, when was the last time you "opened" a dictionary?

RegDwigнt

Rösti

Rösti ([ˈrøːʃti]) or röschti is a Swiss dish consisting mainly of potatoes. It was originally a common breakfast eaten by farmers in the canton of Bern, but today is eaten all over Switzerland and also in many restaurants in the western world. Many Swiss people consider rösti a national dish. Today, rather than considering it a complete breakfast, it is more commonly served to accompany other dishes such as "Spinat und Spiegelei" (spinach and fried eggs, sunny side up), cervelas or Fleischkäse. It is also a dish one can order in most restaurants to replace the standard side dish of any given meal...

Robusto

My Swiss is a little rösti.

RegDwigнt

1:16 PM

@Robusto I have quite a few at home, and a four-volume one right here.

Which is to say, the answer is "about two years ago".

Robusto

@RegDwigнt That didn't answer my question.

Ah, now you've answered it.

RegDwigнt

I went the extra kilometer.

Robusto

Try walking a kilometer in my shoes for once.

RegDwigнt

I won't crawl or cause you trouble,
That's the last thing I'll ever do.
But before I leave your life completely,
Tell me: who wears these shoes?

Robusto

Wait a minute, you can't walk. People in metric countries don't go on foot, they go on meter.

RegDwigнt

1:19 PM

In East Slavland, you do neither.

Robusto

Germans like to pretend they gehen zu fuss but it's a lie. At best they can manage a few centimeters.

RegDwigнt

Stop making such a fuss about it.

Robusto

I knew you would latch onto that.

RegDwigнt

I recognized the cliffhanger.

Robusto

That's why I deliberately didn't use the ß there.

RegDwigнt

1:20 PM

It was Sylvester.

Yes, ßylvester would be totally stupid.

Robusto

*ßylveßter

RegDwigнt

Anyway. Of course they would go to fuss, precisely because that's where they are not.

It's totally logical and ßhit.

Robusto

Falsch.

RegDwigнt

That's Russian for insincerety.

Did you know Russian had a word for not mother and not vodka? Well, here it is.

Matt Эллен

one word that means both "not mother" and "not vodka"?

Robusto

1:24 PM

The U.S. Marines have the expression POG (pogue) meaning not-a-grunt (Persons Other than Grunts).

RegDwigнt

Oh. I thought it was Point of Grunt.

Well, that changes everything. I shall never watch POG porn again.

Robusto

That's why we go over this stuff.

RegDwigнt

You must be the only person on the Internet that made me watch less porn.

Robusto

I'm here to help.

RegDwigнt

This is for you.

Robusto

1:26 PM

That's too heavy for me.

BTW, how come we only ever hear about Norwegian Black Metal and not the Norwegian New Age Frou-Frou Music?

RegDwigнt

Because the former are louder, DUH.

Robusto

And is it too early to proclaim New Age to be Old Age? I mean, when was the last time anyone listened to Enya, ferchrissakes.

RegDwigнt

I can tell you the precise date. 9/11/2001.

►

Robusto

So Enya is responsible for 9/11? I knew it.

RegDwigнt

There's your frou-frou.

Robusto

1:31 PM

Is he the Zigeuner Leader?

(Note bilingual word-play.)

He's the Bah Rock.

That's a Relief.

Béla Bah Rock.

He looks more like Béla Fubartok.

user116848

hi

Robusto

1:34 PM

Which is another bilingual wordplay. The prefix fu- is the Japanese equivalent of un- for na adjectives.

RegDwigнt

Sorry, the fubar is too damn low for me.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt You're already thinking of where you can use that.

user116848

@MattЭллен In the story I wrote in the Overlook Hotel, was my line okay: "truth be told I coundn’t even see the back of my hand in the dark!" Because someone criticized it there :(

Matt Эллен

couldn't*

RegDwigнt

@Robusto no, I am already thinking why the hell I am still logged in in the Physics room.

The h Bar

General chat for Physics SE (physics.stackexchange.com). For M...

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Matt Эллен

1:35 PM

@Arrowfar but otherwise it seems OK

Will Hunting

I just watched The Maze Runner.

RegDwigнt

Note how it's not the New H bar.

Matt Эллен

@Arrowfar oh, he's not criticizing the grammar or spelling

user116848

@MattЭллен Then?

Matt Эллен

@Arrowfar he's criticising the style

user116848

1:37 PM

@MattЭллен I see. So how would you write it?

RegDwigнt

Only people with style may criticize style. And people with style don't.

Will Hunting

Funny. Amazon has not shipped my order after 24 hours. Usually they are much faster.

RegDwigнt

Sorry, they have to run it past the NSA and the TSA first. New rules.

Will Hunting

I ordered 3 calculus books and 1 address book.

I got the address book for my mum, just to make the order reach 125 USD to get free shipping.

RegDwigнt

Only terrists need calculus.

Not to mention addresses.

Will Hunting

1:41 PM

It's free shipping to India and S for 125 USD orders.

Not valid for other countries, weird.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt You're really considering dropping your H's? @Matt would be scandalized.

RegDwigнt

I am considering many things. Many, many things.

Will Hunting

I am very glad that I have not deleted my email or SE account for a month.

RegDwigнt

Then I deduct they all suck.

Aug 31 at 23:40, by RegDwigнt

Ninja downvoter strikes again. My job here is done!

Speaking of which, still a job to do elsewhere. So lators.

Robusto

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Q: What is the origin of "in a jiffy"?

What is the origin of "in a jiffy"? Etymology online Dictionary says origin unknown but speculates that it was slang (cant) for lightning and dates it as 1785. Wikipedia agrees but adds that the American physical chemist, Gilbert Newton Lewis (1875–1946) was the first to actually specify how ...

etymology

Only Tom could post as exhaustive a reply.

Will Hunting

1:46 PM

I find that now that I have grown fatter, I sweat more too.

Matt Эллен

that should be pronounced /gɪffiː/

Robusto

@WillHunting Neither of which will help you find a soul mate.

Will Hunting

I will start a vigorous workout routine in October.

I have been procrastinating for too long on this.

2 more months and simchona will lose her diamond due to not logging in.

Mitch

@Robusto But they're great for having with yerba mate.

@WillHunting start slow and build up to it.

Will Hunting

My favourite Linux desktop is Mate, lol.

Matt Эллен

1:55 PM

I've tried Club Mate, but I didn't think much of it

Mitch

@WillHunting That's not in the song

Will Hunting

@MattЭллен I don't know what Club Mate is. Is it a dating site?

Cerberus

Yo yo.

Matt Эллен

@WillHunting it's an energy drink

@Cerberus around the world!

Will Hunting

I tried OK Cupid, but I deleted my account.

Mitch

1:56 PM

@MattЭллен ... that you drink at clubs

Cerberus

Is that possible?

Mitch

with your mate

Cerberus

@WillHunting You deleted your account??

Who would have expected that?

Matt Эллен

I see. maybe that's why I didn't enjoy it much. I wasn't at a club

Will Hunting

@Cerberus Yes.

I did not really understand the ending in The Maze Runner.

But I give the movie 8 stars out of 10.

Matt Эллен

1:58 PM

is it the one with children dropped into a maze?

Will Hunting

Yes. Not exactly children.

Mitch

@WillHunting They solve it?

Will Hunting

@Mitch Some escaped, yes.

Mitch

It's a young adult novel adapted to a movie.

Which does not narrow it down. All movies in theaters today are adaptations of young adult novels.

Matt Эллен

because that's the trend at the moment

jinx!

Mitch

1:59 PM

jinx u!

Will Hunting

Yes. I will be a young adult again my next life. I am looking forward to my next life.

Mitch

I think I saw one that was slightly not as young adult novel.

was it the my little pony movie?

I'm looking forward to my second childhood.

Also third. I can't wait!

Will Hunting

Anyway, I think my hard disc was probably corrupted, so I had to reinstall Linux. It seems OK now.

Matt Эллен

a third of a second childhood... I'd want at least three quarters

Will Hunting

Maybe Amazon is delaying my shipment because it is free, lol.

Next Monday I have to go back to the army for a one day event.

hey

2:04 PM

@WillHunting Do you have CD for linux?

Will Hunting

@hey Yes. I have a live DVD.

hey

@WillHunting I use usb drive for that.

Will Hunting

@hey Some computers cannot boot from USB.

RutvikSutaria

@hey i have heard your school have started using Linux.

hey

@RutvikSutaria Yes, but don't know why they have installed ubuntu 12.10. I thought they will install redhat.

RutvikSutaria

2:10 PM

what is redhat?

Will Hunting

@RutvikSutaria It is a Linux distro.

Robusto

@Cerberus: I'm still annoyed by comment chains that are out of sequence.

Some would call it as Unix disastro.

hey

@WillHunting Have you heard about philosopher named Rajneesh. He used to give bit logical answer about religion.

Will Hunting

@hey I have read his books.

hey

Today i get fucked off in my maths test.

Cerberus

2:17 PM

@Robusto So am I. It is horrible.

But they like fucking with us.

Matt Эллен

And members like being passive aggressive

Will Hunting

@Cerberus Just use protection.

hey

@RutvikSutaria I don't know. May be she didn't gave.

Will Hunting

@MattЭллен You misspelled aggressive.

Cerberus

@WillHunting NOU

> Banner Saga on sale for €10/$10 on Steam: store.steampowered.com/app/237990/?snr=1_620_4__46

Robusto

2:19 PM

@Cerberus Yes they do. And they make failure of imagination a virtue.

Cerberus

Indeed.

Will Hunting

Hello @Caleb you are always in this room but you say nothing.

hey

@Caleb hello

Will Hunting

@hey Caleb doesn't seem to want to talk to us.

hey

hmm, might be he want to seat as audience.

Will Hunting

2:30 PM

Yesterday I misspelled harass as harrass, it is so embarrassing.

english.stackexchange.com/questions/195937/…

Mitch

@MattЭллен I want seconds on my first.

Robusto

Just as long as you don't spell it herass.

Will Hunting

And be sued for sexual harassment.

Mitch

@WillHunting He likes to listen?

Will Hunting

@Mitch He is in all the religious rooms, lol.

Mitch

2:40 PM

@WillHunting maybe he was embarasingly herassed

Will Hunting

I mentioned this before. I once said gspot to a female and my life changed completely overnight. It literally destroyed my life, even though it was already destroyed.

Mitch

@WillHunting It's annoying that it doesn't work the other way. Say an accidental off-hand remark and all of a sudden Bill Gates calls you up to see if you want some money.

Matt Эллен

why that's a capital idea! I'd give you a billion dollars, but I don't have any money

Mitch

I haven't said anything yet. Wait for it...

gorm

That was pretty off-hand, wasn't it? So how much money are you not going to give me?

Matt Эллен

as much as Bill Gates would

Mitch

2:47 PM

Nice!

OK a joke... Did you hear about the person taking homeopathy medicine?

They forgot to take their pill and died of an overdose.

Cerberus

Haha, nice!

user116848

So in many jokes there are three people walking into a bar. I never get why is that. :-)

Matt Эллен

three men walk towards a bar.

user116848

Then? Hehe

user116848

It looks like a start of some 'meh' joke :D

Matt Эллен

2:54 PM

they stand around at the entrance deciding if they want to go in
after a few minutes one man realises that it's Thursday, so he has to be somewhere else
The second man decides that bar prices in the town are too expensive and goes home, too
The third man, bereft of drinking companions, finally decides that tonight is the night he will take up salsa.
They happen to have a salsa class running in the bar he is stood outside of, so he goes in.

I'm not good at jokes

user116848

Like I said 'meh' joke. :D (just kidding)

Will Hunting

I really hope that the next edition of Debian will have a MATE desktop live DVD.

I don't want to install another desktop just to install another desktop.

Matt Эллен

I can think of no "three men walk into a bar" jokes.

Will Hunting

I never understood any of them.

"I have a headache. Not tonight, honey." LOL

Matt Эллен

3:10 PM

A piece of string walks into a bar and orders a drink
The barman says, "Sorry, we don't serve string"
The piece of string leaves, disappointed.
Just outside the bar, the piece of string is mugged, leaving it disheveled and somewhat tied up.
It decides to go back into the bar.
The barman asks, "are you a piece of string?"
It replies, "I'm a frayed knot".

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Will Hunting

Erm, too sophisticated for my taste.

Matt Эллен

Three EL&U mods walk into a bar.
The bar is closed as off topic.

10

Cerberus

Star!

Matt Эллен

I can play to my audience

Will Hunting

I do not have Bluetooth. I only have yellow teeth, lol.

Cerberus

3:23 PM

@tchrist "Some judges and politicians — even ones with reputations for being hard on crime — are starting to question whether the use of fines and fees has gone too far. The new law in Colorado was passed on a near-unanimous vote of Republicans and Democrats."

Zoe

@MattЭллен I like it.

Matt Эллен

thanks :D I can't remember when I first heard it

Alraxite

@Cerberus Yes, you can install it as a script too.

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Q: Chat Reply Helper for Stack Exchange sites

Press : to start replying to a previous message. Press ↑ as many times as you need to mark the desired message. What does it do? First of all, the Chat Reply Helper for Stack Exchange sites provides a simple key combination to select a message to reply to. This removes the need to grab the...

script chrome-extensions chat greasemonkey

Cerberus

Right.

I know that one.

Alraxite

That's what the Firefox extension does.

If it allowed selecting messages even if the colon was placed not at the beginning, then I think you could make using SE Chat Modifications much easier.

Because then you could easily get the message ID after any command you type.

These scripts would have been better if they didn't rely on the arrow keys.

Otherwise, these scripts are great.

user116848

4:04 PM

@MattЭллен Very hilarious. I starred it too :D

user116848

Why couldn't I think of that joke? lol

user116848

So I take it back, what I was saying about three man walk into a bar jokes, that they are not funny.

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