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Aaron
Aaron
2:01 PM
Is warhammer free?
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Aaron In what sense of warhammer?
 
Aaron
Aaron
The 40k one
 
Miniman
Miniman
The original game is an incredibly expensive hobby
 
wax eagle
wax eagle
I don't think GW gives anything away
 
Miniman
Miniman
Are you talking about one of the RPGs?
 
Aaron
Aaron
2:02 PM
The game this question is talking about.
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Q: Are all descendants of a Heretic Gene-seed corrupt?

BenWe have come across a dead Space Marine, Gene-seed apparently still intact (no holes to say it was removed), and for the most part, the party says they want to retrieve the seed and return it to the Chapter for brownie points. However, from the back story of this character, he was a World-Eater...

wh40k
It seems to have a very interesting worldstory so I thought I would look into it.
 
Miniman
Miniman
There are 5 different versions of that game, right?
 
Aaron
Aaron
Oh.
Guess I have some digging to do then. I will look into it when I get home then.
 
Miniman
Miniman
I could be wrong, I don't know much about the wh40k rpg
 
wax eagle
wax eagle
looks like the sourcebooks are about $90 a pop?
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
Avoid warhammer at all costs
theres is nothing of redeeming value worth the cost that cannot be found elsewhere
 
wax eagle
wax eagle
2:05 PM
I think we can amend that to avoid GW at all costs right?
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
probably true
I sorta was into the LOTR tabletop
its definitely still a money pit
but there werent sweeping rules changes that made your 500 dollar army of whatever worthless like warhammer and 40k had lol
 
Miniman
Miniman
@JoshuaAslanSmith It wouldn't be so ridiculous if they didn't make you do half the work yourself.
 
wax eagle
wax eagle
oof. That sucks.
 
Miniman
Miniman
Ludicrously expensive figurines that you then have to assemble and paint anyway...
 
wax eagle
wax eagle
yeah. I'll stick with reaper for my minis. Bones are super cheap, and most small bones figs are assembled so you just have to paint 'em
will probably buy some darksword stuff eventually too...more expensive, but they've got some cool stuff I really like the look of
 
Aaron
Aaron
2:09 PM
So warhammer is not really worth it is the general consensus?
 
Miniman
Miniman
It's extremely expensive.
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
its an expensive AND time consuming hobby
 
Metool
Metool
 
Miniman
Miniman
I know many people who love it and would be shocked to hear what's been said in this chat.
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
so you only see the most stereotypical of nerds playing it
 
Aaron
Aaron
2:09 PM
Do you HAVE to have the minis to play?
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
you do
 
Miniman
Miniman
I'd challenge that
 
Aaron
Aaron
Damn that's harsh
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
and legally they need ot be painted too
 
Miniman
Miniman
@JoshuaAslanSmith Wait, there's a legal requirement for that? I've played it with scraps of paper...
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
2:10 PM
@miniman Im going with what would be allowed at a shop/accepted by the general player base
 
Aaron
Aaron
@JoshuaAslanSmith Whaaaaat?
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
I could make a MTG deck out of blank cards with names scrawled on it but I couldnt play organized play with it
it hinges on the social contract with other players about it
@aaron first I have to ask are you talking about the war game or the RPGs inspired by it?
 
wax eagle
wax eagle
@JoshuaAslanSmith RPG
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
were talking about the wargame
 
Miniman
Miniman
Oops.
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
2:13 PM
@aaron I can't ever condone piracy
 
Aaron
Aaron
@JoshuaAslanSmith Well I didn't know there were multiple games. I will have to delve deeper to find out and I will have to ask again later
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
RPG wise there still isnt anything that innovative
its less expensive than the wargame thats for sure lol
 
Miniman
Miniman
@JoshuaAslanSmith A drug habit can be sustained less expensively than the warhammer wargame.
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Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
the setting/world/lore is incredibly heavy-metal/juvenile in the worst way Warhammer 40k's tagline is "In the grim dark future, there is only war.
 
Aaron
Aaron
@Miniman O.o
 
Miniman
Miniman
2:15 PM
@Aaron Not the most expensive drug habits, obviously.
 
Aaron
Aaron
Is there anything redeeming about this game? So far I haven't heard a single good thing
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Aaron It has a great deal of strategic and tactical depth
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
if you are really into grim-dark fantasy sci-fi with bro-ness in it
@Miniman I think he is still asking about the RPG
 
Aaron
Aaron
@JoshuaAslanSmith So gears of war?
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
@Aaron more so, but that is a goodish touchpoint
 
Miniman
Miniman
2:16 PM
Ah, my bad again. Warhammer is firmly stuck in my mind as the wargame.
 
Aaron
Aaron
Well gears would be sci-fi not fantasy but still
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
lets say we are talking about WH40KRPG
so wh40ks world is there are various ginormous race/culture factions constantly at war with one another in a very 1984 sense where no one ever definitively wins and its all pointless skirmishes. Humanity is ruled by a god-emperor kept forever alive by a combination of psychic power/genetic manipulation, and cybernetics.
players are going to be humans as part of a legion in a squad taking part in some holy crusade or other and will probably die in the worst possible way fighting aliens
 
Mourdos
Mourdos
Being an imperial guard sucks. :-)
Are we talking Only War, Rogue Trader, Dark Heresy or Inquisitor?
 
Aaron
Aaron
Damn. I have seen a lot of bashing on this site but you guys are butchering this game. Surely it wouldn't be as popular as it is if it was as bad as you guys say?
 
Mourdos
Mourdos
I actually enjoy Only War.
I should probably stop playing Psykers though, I am going to get myself killed
 
Metool
Metool
2:27 PM
@Aaron Tell that to D&D and derivatives.
 
Mourdos
Mourdos
Also, that reddit thread has made me decide NOT to get back into warhammer.
 
Aaron
Aaron
Hey how do I get rid of the "This question may have an answer here" Thing on my question? The answer he is talking about quotes enlarge person which is unrelated to my question. rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/47489/…
 
Mourdos
Mourdos
I'm writing an answer to that
Also, its a comment, flag for a mod
 
Aaron
Aaron
@Mourdos Wouldn't that get them in trouble?
Or is flag for moderator different on this site?
 
Metool
Metool
Totally different.
"This isn't useful anymore, get rid of it" is generally what they're used for, in comments.
 
Aaron
Aaron
2:33 PM
Ahh.
Gotcha
I flagged it
 
Metool
Metool
Woo!
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Metool Different in comments
 
Metool
Metool
Yes, in comments, sorry.
 
Miniman
Miniman
If you flag for a mod in chat, that's a big deal
 
Metool
Metool
Yes, and if you flag an answer, you can flag for a number of things, including "This would be better on another SE," or "... better on a different type of site altogether."
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
2:35 PM
@aaron we are a very small fragment of a much larger community,
The thoughts an opinions of rpg.se cant be seen to be representative of the hobby as a whole
 
Mourdos
Mourdos
I did "not constructive"
Anyway, I hope that is useful?
 
Mourdos
Mourdos
2:55 PM
There is nothing like the feeling of a green +10 on a miserable afternoon ;-)
You know, from reading the stars on the side, I just want to say:
I am a potato, I try to grow.
d6
 
Dice Service
Dice Service
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wax eagle
wax eagle
3:25 PM
huh, a sketchy miniatures KS just linked a question from RPG.SE in an update
 
Mourdos
Mourdos
sketchy miniatures KS?
 
wax eagle
wax eagle
a miniatures kickstarter from a company to whom I would not be comfortable giving my hard earned dollars
 
wax eagle
wax eagle
3:48 PM
@JoshuaAslanSmith this one though projectmultiplexer.com/2014/09/07/… has some serious plot hooks since 5e explicitly says selling magiked loot is hard
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
4:15 PM
most KS is sketch
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
So now we have veggie elder gods from beyond the stars, according to the sidebar.
 
wax eagle
wax eagle
beware tuberthulhu
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
Gaze not into the salad, for the salad looks back.
 
Austin Burk
Austin Burk
4:44 PM
NUU what happened to the PHP room?!
oh
chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/11

 PHP

Support group for those afflicted with PHP. Don't ask to ask, ...
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okey doke then
 
Joshua Aslan Smith
Joshua Aslan Smith
ahhhhhh
yeah
wrong SE
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
5:03 PM
Hola!
 
wax eagle
wax eagle
hiya
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
How goes the battles?
random question: What resources would you suggest for developing campaigns out? I've got a premise(sp?) but finding how to tie the arcs together is proving difficult, and I'm running out of time.
 
Lord_Gareth
Lord_Gareth
Yaasaay reblogged
 
lisardggY
lisardggY
@roscoe_casita How far along do you want this to be ahead of time?
Or are you already deep in the campaign?
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
haven't had the first session, thats tomorrow
nWoD
mortals to begin with, leading into a hunter campaign
 
lisardggY
lisardggY
5:08 PM
In that case, I don't know if you really want to have any more than a premise and some proposed arcs.
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
I was planning on adapting the first precanned haunted mansion to the haunted barracks .
mostly its motivations / goals of the affiliated parties,
 
lisardggY
lisardggY
After all, your players are going to wreck all your plans anyway, so you might as well just keep your arcs as guidelines and let the players lead into them.
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
aye, the trick is getting them all into a can.. in space =D The premise is that about 20-40 years in the future, fusion has been mastered (aka, society is more accepting of mage happenings), leading to the first colonization ship departing for mars, there is already an outpost setup there
the mage run ship needs the 30k+ people and permanent presence there because X, could be as simple as rounding up the best minds of the planet and sticking them together, but of course, there is an ancient vampire who has traveled the whole of the world, bored of killing and drinking blood in every city, gets his way on the ship
the WW view it as a violation of gaia, and abomination, willing to take it down
ideas / suggestions, I'm looking to fill in details where possible,
 
Lord_Gareth
Lord_Gareth
Oh god. It's oWoD?
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
nWoD
 
Lord_Gareth
Lord_Gareth
5:20 PM
-> Gaia werewolves
-> nWoD
Pick only one
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
ahhh, gotcha, I've haven't run either before, so was mixed up in my head
nWoD is the system 00%
100%*
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
5:32 PM
@roscoe_casita I'm seeing this plot with a little bit of 80s-esque VHS playback tearing and a /lot/ of synth music.
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
^nailed it @MadMAxJr think, new punk, with a dark twist of corpratism
I'm trying to really come up with the plots under the plots, so its easy to see why mages would want to gather all these 'cut above the experts' in one place, to snag emerging mages, and train them. Cuts out a lot of work.
but something like one of the 7 seals is located on mars...
but adapted for the nWoD setting, I haven't delved deep enough to know what should be there. make sense?
 
 
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MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
6:45 PM
"Okay gang, it's been a year and it's time for us to take a break with another game system..." "How about X?" "No! It's too simple and impairs creativity!" "How about Y?" "No, it's far too complex!" "Then, how about Z?" "I don't like the theme of Z!" There is no pleasing players. :|
 
wax eagle
wax eagle
one off or longer term?
and online or IRL?
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
Online group via roll20. I'm the primary DM for it over the last few years. I need a break.
 
wax eagle
wax eagle
gotcha
Do: Pilgrims of the Flying Temple might work
no GM required
and it's simple, can be played as a one off, or a longer campaign
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
Oh there's a number of games I could pitch. It's just all the stuff I'm familiar with and would love to present to them keeps getting swatted down.
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
examples:?
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
6:51 PM
I'd name systems but I don't want to provoke debate on the systems. Just expressing 'harumph' over my groups fussiness.
 
wax eagle
wax eagle
makes sense
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
Pleasing a group of five is hard enough, I have no idea how people do it on a larger scale.
Harumph: The Grumbling (WhiteWolf - coming 20XX!)
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
Microscope?
no GM so mitigates the hard prepwork
 
user61230
@MadMAxJr Maybe try the other way around - asking them what kind of game they want to play, and then fit a system to it?
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
Finding a new system isn't the issue. It's just this group is hard set on having only one thing accepted by all of them, it seems.
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
6:59 PM
don't ask then, just attack =D
 
user61230
Implement psychological subversion.
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
@Emrakul If I ask them that, it will be Pathfinder until I get to old age, pursue lichdom, wither to dust, migrate to demi-lich, and continue running until the souls snuff out.
 
user61230
Easy solution: kill the dissenting players.
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
just hide the bodies well. I hear pigs are helpful for that
 
Aaron
Aaron
Pigs can eat everything but the skull.
Unless you shatter it to edible bits for them.
I blame Tumbler for my knowledge on how to get away with murder
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
7:02 PM
Yeah, then I'll be haunted by player ghosts asking me about approval of certain 3rd party supplements for PF and when next session is.
 
Aaron
Aaron
Salt all the windows!
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
The destruction of my player group doesn't resolve the issue, it just makes everyone really bored and/or imprisoned/exiled.
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
silver dust turned into the ground, besure to sanctify it before hand though... don't want them hanging around at all
so whats the real problem?
just only interested in pathfinder?
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
Player acceptance of 'something different'.
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
mmmm tough problem. bbiab, vball time!
 
Aaron
Aaron
7:04 PM
@roscoe_casita bbiab vball?
 
wax eagle
wax eagle
@Aaron "Be Back In A Bit" "Volley Ball"
 
Aaron
Aaron
Ah. I never woulda got that
 
kviiri
kviiri
I'm creating a character who is intensely Francophiliac without knowing much of the culture or the language apart from some really exaggerated stereotypes. He should have a French pseudonym, "superhero name", but I want it to have a bilingual gag (=it should sound cool but actually mean something less than glamorous)
Any ideas?
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
Sadly, I know nothing of French.
 
kviiri
kviiri
So far I'm fond of "Pamplemousse" - it sounds kinda posh, aristocratic and very French (despite being a loanword from Dutch iirc) but it only means "Grapefruit" which comes a bit short of being an awesome bilingual gag.
beurrier
Noun: beurrier m (plural beurriers)
  1. butter dish
  2. beurrier m (plural beurriers, feminine beurrière)
Here's a good one - "(I think) it means The Burier and so help me I'm going to bury you!"
 
Aaron
Aaron
7:18 PM
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Q: "Soft" RPs vs "Hard" RPGs

jacen.garrissI've been doing some Role-playing for awhile now, and I've noticed there are two kinds of RPGs. There are the "hard" RPGs like DnD that have a dice roll for every single little bitty thing. Every thing has a system and a storyline. Then there are the "soft" RPs where there is a GM, but his job is...

roleplaying system
 
kviiri
kviiri
Eh, that's quite a bit too broad for my taste
 
wax eagle
wax eagle
yeah, close votes guys
or close flags if you don't have votes yet
 
Phil
Phil
8:00 PM
@kviiri that's only one of its many issues
@waxeagle might be a silly question given how much I use the site, but what exactly is the difference?
 
wax eagle
wax eagle
@Phil if you're under 3k rep you can't vote to close. a close flag will put it in the close vote review queue
 
Phil
Phil
ah, fair enough
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
8:26 PM
you figure out how to appease your group yet @MadMAxJr?
 
Aaron
Aaron
I think he rolled a nat 1
Correction Nat 20 on jump. Nat 1 on technique.
 
Phil
Phil
@Aaron ouchy
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
@roscoe_casita It's not a task that'll be solved in a day. I think I need to sit them down and facilitate a more in-depth conversation as to what they want out of group sessions.
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
+1 @MadMAxJr the only real solution.
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
9:18 PM
@MadMAxJr have you checked out microscope though?
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
Never heard of it, might look at it later.
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
if you want an amazing RPG... thats totally non-traditional, but epic, it takes the cake.
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
There will probably be a member of my group not interested in it for being non-traditional.
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
Pigs.
Silver.
LOLOLOL
 
Zachiel
Zachiel
9:42 PM
By finding different people to play different games, or so I've heard.
I'd put the options in a hat and draw, or vote.
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
I'm not getting rid of them as they play fantastically together. Voting won't work, it'll likely slide into a 3v2 skew every time leaving one side unhappy.
I'll just talk it out and find the root causes at some point.
 
Zachiel
Zachiel
I hope you don't have anyone that's like one of my players. He wants to play anything as long as it's D&D and it's 3.5 and it's set in the Forgotten Realms.
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
Pathfinder is the only one that receives mild apathy or better across the entire group.
 
Zachiel
Zachiel
I would be tempted to ruin it for them but since you want to keep the group togheter maybe it's best if you don't.
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
I'm not out to spite them, it's simply a disagreement over preferences.
 
Zachiel
Zachiel
10:05 PM
oh it won't be for spite towards players
it would be me exploding and throwing everything into the air as a result
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
maybe the hat idea, maybe make something like a rule "Ok, you don't like the new and different things: Your homework: find a system you do like, and it has to be new. We play that next."
I always go for making the naysayer suggest an alternative
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
That's not a terrible idea.
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
it comes from when protesters in berkley where on campus. The president of the college came out on the podium came out and said: "We know what your against, we know what you complain is a hardship. Tell us what you are FOR. Tell us what you will promote."
crap, I screwed that up, but it gets the jist of it
wurds r hard m kay?
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
Hopefully that doesn't result in, "I want to play this one RPG but it's only published in German..."
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
then they get to DM it =D and explain all the rules as well!
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
10:18 PM
Unlikely to be an actual issue, just rampant pessimism in my head. You get that a lot in IT work.
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
i hear you, there is a german word for it "Pissed off when you find out you where right"
i need this word.
 
MadMAxJr
MadMAxJr
Clearly I must consult the elder potato from beyond the stars for guidance.
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Zachiel
Zachiel
10:34 PM
@MadMAxJr say what you want, the art is awesome
 
Ben
Ben
10:53 PM
Hey what's up
Does anyone here understand the "Hatred" mechanic from the Rogue Trader/Dark Heresy games?
 
roscoe_casita
roscoe_casita
keep it easy all!
 
Adeptus
Adeptus
11:35 PM
The Dark Eye
The Dark Eye (TDE, German: Das Schwarze Auge (DSA)), is a German role-playing game created by Ulrich Kiesow and launched by Schmidt Spiel & Freizeit GmbH and Droemer Knaur Verlag in 1984. It is the most successful role-playing game on the German market, outselling Dungeons & Dragons. Many years of work on the game have led to an extremely detailed and extensively-described game world. Droemer Knaur dropped the project in early 1989; after the bankruptcy of the Schmidt Spiel & Freizeit GmbH in 1997, publishing was continued by Fantasy Productions (which had already done all the editorial work)....
...but it's now in English too
 
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