English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

kiamlaluno

18:04

It actually was a chit-chat question.

I saw an ascending owl. Does that mean I must stop watching sci-fi movies?

RegDwight

Wow, I can't believe @Kosmonaut tackled that Tehran question. He should be getting over 9000 kudos or something. (We're out of Internets, thanks to @Robusto.)

Too bad his answer isn't a one-liner people can be bothered to read, and thus will linger at some three and a half votes for all eternity.

kiamlaluno

Which Tehran question? Did I miss anything while I was debating about an off-topic question?

RegDwight

I mean, you be the judge:

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A: How would you spell Tehran in English to be pronounced correctly (as in Persian)?

There is no way to truly force this pronunciation in English. In English, we just don't pronounce the /h/ sound at the end of syllables. Because it is not a part of our phonological grammar, it can be difficult for a native English speaker to articulate the sound, or even perceive the sound at ...

61

A: What are "real stores" called in English, as opposed to "online stores"?

The fashionable phrase is brick and mortar business.

61:2. EPIC FAIL, @Kosmonaut. EPIC FAIL.

kiamlaluno

I don't know if it is an offense, but EL&U called me fanatic.

Me?? Fanatic??

JSBangs

@RegDwight seriously? 61 votes for that?

i'm depressed now

in any case, i just upvoted Kosmonaut for the excellent Tehran answer

Vitaly

18:11

hey @JSBangs

JSBangs

yes?

RegDwight

@JSBangs It's a link.)))

JSBangs

that is way too confusing for me

Vitaly

:D

RegDwight

@JSBangs This is actually a good example of how the rep cap is not just there to "protect" newbies. It's there to protect regulars who have been onboard since the early days of the beta.

kiamlaluno

18:13

Was I on when EL&U was still in beta?

RegDwight

I mean, back in the day, an excellent answer would get you what, five upvotes? Nowadays, anyone can drop by and get 20+ upvotes just because the site has grown so much.

kiamlaluno

@RegDwight Anyone but me.

RegDwight

You're an oldie, kiamlaluno.

JSBangs

@Vitaly +1 for MrHen there

kiamlaluno

I hate when they look at my user profile just to see my age.

JSBangs

18:15

he seems to have gotten it right, plus i see that you've made me happy by adding ugandan-english

Vitaly

Ok yeah well, we are still waiting for a reply from the British Council

once we get it, I may as well accept that answer

RegDwight

Incoming message from Kate...

kiamlaluno

I guess we just miss italian-english.

RegDwight

What we really need is english-english. Also, english-as-she-is-spoke.

kiamlaluno

I need energy for my brain. I will be back.

We could also add don-t-listen-kiamlaluno.

MrHen

18:18

@kiamlaluno kiamlaluno-english

JSBangs

wikipedia gives 35 countries where english is a "major" language, and we only have tags for 11 of them. clearly we have some work to do

RegDwight

@kiamlaluno I suggest [tag:start-to-use-gerunds-kiamlaluno].

Awwwww too long.

kiamlaluno

@RegDwight See?

RegDwight

@JSBangs Hear that, @Vitaly? Meet some more peoplz and post some more questions.

kiamlaluno

It was enough use-gerunds-kiamlaluno.

Vitaly

18:23

@RegDwight I have recently encountered a guy from Communist Germany who spelled people as peoplz. Is that marginally acceptable in any variety of English? commie-german-english

RegDwight

Excellent question. I suggest you post it verbatim.

F'x

none of those are remotely as useful as bad-english

RegDwight

worse-english

F'x

@RegDwight the guy's name's Vitaly

RegDwight

You seem to be missing an 's.

The's guy's name's Vitaly's. That would be worse-english.

F'x

18:25

@RegDwight Vitalhe's nice

Vitaly

Joke

A joke is a question, short story, or depiction of a situation made with the intent of being humorous. To achieve this end, jokes may employ irony, sarcasm, word play and other devices. Jokes may have a punchline that will end the sentence to make it humorous. A practical joke or prank differs from a spoken one in that the major component of the humour is physical rather than verbal (for example placing salt in the sugar bowl). Purpose Jokes are typically for the entertainment of friends and onlookers. The desired response is generally laughter; when this does not happen the joke is...

RegDwight

Me no speaky engrish. Post russki plz.

Billare

Guys, check this out: google.com/doodle4google/winners_state.html

Those are the State Finalists from Google's Doodle contest.

That is, they didn't make it to the final round, for web judging.

Check out the chip design from North Carolina -- how did that one not make it?!

RegDwight

@Billare I can't read Google in that image, that's how.

Billare

You can't, really?

The green space does it for me...he uses it quite cleverly, IMO.

F'x

18:35

RegDwight

I have trouble deciphering it even in the context given.

Billare

The kid's only in K-3! That's amazing, IMo.

RegDwight

If it were on a white page all by itself, it would be even less readable.

Billare

I don't agree with that at all...the green clearly and cleverly establishes the shape of the letters.

RegDwight

JSBangs

18:37

i'm gonna agree w/ Reg here

RegDwight

Sorry, but this is not an O.

And what letter is this? Quick!

F'x

e

could only guess by eliminating the other candidate, though

RegDwight

Precisely.

F'x

I have to agree with RegDwarf here

Billare

You can't just isolate a piece of the picture and then says it doesn't look like a character. It needs to be done in comparison to the other shapes.

RegDwight

18:39

@Fx Wow a new insult. Very creative.

@Billare Look, Billare, you just asked a question, I offered a theory. That's all.)))

F'x

@RegDwight RegDwindle if you prefer

kiamlaluno

What did I miss?

RegDwight

@Billare I know you are biased, because your gravatar looks like that doodle.

kiamlaluno

Noodles?

Billare

I would buy that.

No lie.

If he sold it; I'd buy it.

For seriousish money.

RegDwight

18:42

Go ahead. I'm not stopping you.

Billare

Or maybe I'll just offer him candy.

On the way home from school.

RegDwight

@Fx I would prefer RedDwarf, for obvious reasons.

kiamlaluno

I am missing something, except I didn't miss my brain.

Martha

@kiamlaluno As in, "I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it"?

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RegDwight

That's the root of all your problems, @kiamlaluno. You should really consider missing your brain every now and then. :P

kiamlaluno

18:48

@RegDwight We have different interests. I like Drupal; it likes English.

RegDwight

Yeah, 4k, no less.

kiamlaluno

@RegDwight That is not comparable with 15k.

Therefore, my brain wins, again.

RegDwight

Of course it is comparable. It's just less.

kiamlaluno

The problem is that my brain will remind me of that for the years to come.

@Martha I am sorry; I could not resist from starring your post.

@RegDwight I thought it was me to split hairs.

RegDwight

Well, think again.

kiamlaluno

18:52

That is a task for my brain; I just follow it.

I was called Mr. "Split hairs."

Was it "Mr. Splitting Hairs"?

Martha

@kiamlaluno Aha, so it was you. I shall have to contemplate appropriate retribution.

RegDwight

Noooooo not pictures of the niece again.

kiamlaluno

@Martha I didn't want you would put the blame on some innocent soul.

Fantastic; now Safari keeps timing out.

RegDwight

@Martha Just you wait till I have nieces, I will replace all your gravatars with pictures of them holding hammers and sickles.

kiamlaluno

What is about popsicles?

RegDwight

18:55

Not enough apostrophes.

P'ps'l's.

psmears

And pophammers?

Martha

@RegDwight I was actually thinking more along the lines of starring some of @kiam's more, um, creative-grammar-endowed posts, but if you want more pictures, I'll try to arrange it.

kiamlaluno

And I thought my grammar was standard.

I am sorry; I should say "my brain's grammar."

RegDwight

Just six words, @Martha: Stalin owls.

kiamlaluno

I don't want to take honor when it is not mine.

Those are 8 words.

RegDwight

18:59

Eleven.

kiamlaluno

Higher.

RegDwight

And one of them is a contraction.

Martha

(Unfortunately, this machine doesn't really have any good pictures that I haven't already posted. You may have to wait until after Sunday, when sister, niece, and most importantly, the camera are coming home. Said camera is likely to contain more than 1000 new pictures. It might be good to start trembling in fear now.)

RegDwight

Stalin owls.

Martha

@RegDwight I see your Stalin owls and raise you some kitten pictures.

RegDwight

19:00

Don't tell me you haven't been warned.

kiamlaluno

If I post my picture it would be something to fear for.

RegDwight

Mar 17 at 18:55, by Cerberus

I can handle kitteh pics just fine.

Cerberus

Hey!

That is mine.

RegDwight

You're a dog.

Cerberus

Ergo I own cats.

RegDwight

19:02

Having for breakfast != owning.

Cerberus

But it is!

RegDwight

No it isn't!

Cerberus

I beat them, do I not?

RegDwight

No you don't.

Mar 7 at 18:26, by RegDwight

►

Cerberus

Name one kitty that could defeat me.

Yeah I even remember that video!

RegDwight

19:04

@Cerberus Any 16-y-o kitty from the Mid West will do.

Cerberus

Not quite! I have no trouble at all defying its charms.

RegDwight

You're just begging to get your hands onto one.

Cerberus

Besides, what was the title of your Pinker book again?

RegDwight

To answer all your complement questions.

Cerberus

I was at the library and about to grab it off the shelf, but I think someone had taken it.

RegDwight

19:06

@Cerberus I think the title is Cerberus ist doof.

Aka The Language Instinct.

Cerberus

Nein!

RegDwight

Doch!

Cerberus

Kerberus regiert.

RegDwight

Rulort.

Cerberus

Ach ja, das Instinkbuch war leider nicht auf der Schrank.

Die anderen waren da.

RegDwight

19:07

Auf dem Schrank???

That's not where you're supposed to look.

Cerberus

Ehh... nicht richtig?

In?

RegDwight

Im Schrank.

Cerberus

Ach so.

Das habe ich nicht gewußt.

RegDwight

Why do those Hollanders insist on everything being feminine?

Cerberus

It was a gamble.

We lost our sexes, unfortunately.

RegDwight

19:09

Yeah, but you always put your money on feminine.

Cerberus

Do we?

RegDwight

All the time.

Cerberus

Funny. In Dutch, everything is hij.

JSBangs

@RegDwight well, if you didn't have any sex, wouldn't you do the same?

Martha

Last I checked, a shelf doesn't have any sex, so them Hollanders are onto something.

Cerberus

19:10

You know, grammatical genders are actually the no. 1 most urgent language problem in modern Dutch.

RegDwight

@Martha That doesn't make sense. You contradict yourself.

Cerberus

We don't know the genders any more, but we still absolutely need them for possessive adjectives, if you want to write in proper style.

RegDwight

Assigning a feminine gender to something genderless is the opposite of being onto something.

F'x

@Cerberus or do you mean, sex is the #1 problem in Netherlands?

Cerberus

F'x: On the head!

JSBangs

19:11

@Cerberus please elaborate on this situation

RegDwight

@Fx Don't ask him, he's biased.

Martha

@RegDwight I didn't say they'd found what they're looking for, they're just on the right track.

JSBangs

i'm legitimately curious

RegDwight

@JSBangs Thank you for making all the Robusto jokes while he's absent.

F'x

Gender in Dutch grammar

In the Dutch language, nouns have one of three grammatical genders: masculine, feminine, or neuter. The gender of a word determines the articles used with it and the pronouns referring to it. Sometimes masculine and feminine nouns are collectively called de-words, whereas neuter nouns are called het-words, in accordance with the definite article used with them. Traditionally, pronouns used for masculine nouns are hij/hem/zijn, feminine zij/haar, neuter het/zijn. In some parts of the Netherlands, awareness of the distinction between masculine and feminine nouns has disappeared, producing ...

Cerberus

19:13

@JSB: Every noun has a gender: m/f/n. The neuter words are easily distinguishable, because they have the article het; m and f have de. However, possessive adjectives are haar for f, and zijn for m/n. Therefore we need to know whether a noun is m or f.

RegDwight

Jinx!

F'x

specifically: “ In some parts of the Netherlands, awareness of the distinction between masculine and feminine nouns has disappeared, producing a common gender, and using the masculine pronouns for feminine nouns has become quite common in speech and accepted in informal writing.”

@RegDwight you need to “Jinx!” at someone or something in particular

Cerberus

Informal, yes.

RegDwight

@Fx That's what I've done.

Cerberus

But anything other than a text message requires the correct pronouns; that is, the personal pronouns can be avoided, but not so with possessive adjectives.

Even in formal-ish speech, the right possessive adjectives are required.

JSBangs

19:15

@Cerberus, @F'x, thanks. what a delightful state of confusion

Cerberus

Delightful? Terrifyingly unsolvable, rather!

JSBangs

@Cerberus but that's what makes it fun

Martha

Sure it's solvable: just start using the neuter articles/pronouns for everything that doesn't have a biologically determinable sex. :)

F'x

drill the youngsters more thoroughly about sex, until they know all about it

Cerberus

The masculine-neuter pronouns are the natural/informal choice for both m and f; but the uneducated will try to impress by using f possessive adjectives for anything abstract, because it sounds pompous. But only some abstract words are f, so they get it wrong all the time. Terrible.

F'x

19:18

s/sex/gender/ obviously :)

Cerberus

@Martha: I, a traditionalist, am almost inclined to opt for that. I still try to cling to the position that "everybody should just learn their genders; if the Germans can, so can we"... but I can't even remember the genders myself, so...

JSBangs

article merger seems to be your problem, here

Cerberus

Exactly.

But the articles have sort of merged centuries ago.

JSBangs

romanian neuter nouns take masculine agreement in the singular and feminine in the plural, but romanians manage to keep them straight.

Cerberus

They manage to keep their sexes straight because they have properly delimiting articles?

If only we had such straitjackets.

I believe some of the southern dialects, notably Flemish, still use the pronouns consistently.

JSBangs

19:22

well, there is no unique article or agreement form for the neuter. but they have no trouble at all remembering which nouns take the feminine article in the plural and which take the masculine

Cerberus

I suppose differentiation in plural could be enough...

sigh

JSBangs

yeah, the combination of agreement + article is enough reinforcement to keep the distinction alive

Vitaly

so if reCAPTC‎HA asks me to ‘recognise’ the word ſtriƈt, should I type it as ſtriƈt or as strict?

Martha

Hungarian simply doesn't have grammatical gender, and yet you don't find people mistaking a table for a car.

Cerberus

I know some of the Dutch genders by comparing them to German genders: heit, keit, shaft, ung and such...

JSBangs

19:24

there's some threshold below which, if two genders aren't differentiated enough, the grammatical distinction fails. dutch seems to have fallen below that line.

Cerberus

@Vit: Haha wow, did you really get a long s? I have never seen those!

@JSB: It has. But we have not given up the cause yet.

Vitaly

@Cerberus yeah, but the long s is not a problem. The ct ligature is.

Martha

@Vitaly Depends: is it the first word or the second? If the latter, I'd go with ſtriƈt just to see what it does.

Cerberus

I actually need a dictionary when writing something formal.

Vitaly

It's the first word.

Cerberus

19:25

Cool. I thought they didn't put such old texts in recaptchas.

Martha

@Vitaly In that case, I'm afraid you'll have to "normalize" it to strict.

Vitaly

I suppose noone would actually search using the long s in a mediaeval book…

Yeah makes sense. Thanks.

Cerberus

*noöne

Martha

@Vitaly I might...

JSBangs

a properly normalizing unicode engine will recognize long and short ess as variants of the same grapheme

so theoretically it would work either way

Martha

19:27

Unfortunately, most search functions aren't set up to handle orthographic variants like that.

Robusto

@RegDwight — I will give you back six or seven Internets. But you have to be careful with them this time.

Cerberus

I hope you will encounter some Medieval manuscripts as well, with nice contractions...

Vitaly

well now that I have got the long s in a reCAPTCHA, does it get “recognised” as ftrict by clueless teenagers?

That would be sad.

Cerberus

coīois.

Just Google ftrict. You will be amazed at how many hits you will get.

RegDwight

@Vitaly Vitaly, can you confirm that the OED says about shtuck "Origin unknown: app. not a Yiddish word"?

Vitaly

19:31

BOOK II. bonds were lefs ftrict upon them and their ' ' families. Yet in Domefday-book they are diftinguifhed from other free tenants

— Google Books

Cerberus

12k results for ftrict.

That's life!

Vitaly

@RegDwight Yes, it does.

Cerberus

You will find similar problems with combinations of i/u/n/m.

kiamlaluno

@RegDwight Isn't that shtick?

RegDwight

@Vitaly Thank you.

Vitaly

19:32

Yw.

Jolly

need some help plese

please*

Martha

We went to see a nice little exhibition at the library of the archbishop of Kalocsa, and I had to explain to the museum guide why "illuminated" is used for books decorated with gold. So it's not just teenagers who are clueless.

Jolly

anyone who knows a simple English sentence that sounds almost like you're speaking English =L

kiamlaluno

Yes.

Vitaly

OED Online has been changed, I think @Reg

Martha

19:34

(Ok, ok, so it's really the Primate of Kalocsa (érsek in Hungarian), but that just sounds... wrong.)

Jolly

sorry... simple German sentence*

Vitaly

@Reg can you confirm that it's publicly available now? Never mind, it was some glitch. Again.

kiamlaluno

Nein.

JSBangs

@Jolly i was gonna say, your original statement makes no sense

RegDwight

@Martha Kalocsa? Is that pronounced with an /ʃ/?

Martha

19:35

I'm bad at IPA: what sound is /ʃ/?

RegDwight

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A: Quote of some advanced text?

I suggest you generate a fake postmodernism essay: http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

@Martha sh.

Jolly

yeah i meant German sentence lol sorry

RegDwight

@Jolly The just use nohat's tool and translate it into German.)))

kiamlaluno

Volkswagen.

Jolly

nein... that means sorry?

i want like a short sentence kind =L

Martha

19:36

@RegDwight Then no: Hungarian /cs/ is pronounced as the ch is church.

kiamlaluno

By the way, isn't Yolkswagen?

RegDwight

@Jolly Just tell me what you're trying to say.

@Martha Thanks. I figured as much but wanted a confirmation, because with a sh it would've been hilarious.

Jolly

i am using a translator, but i just can't get a German sentence, that when said it sounds almost like you're speaking English

Martha

@RegDwight Oh, why?

kiamlaluno

/tʃ/, then.

Jolly

19:37

okay here's the thing

RegDwight

@Martha Kalosha is Russian for galosh, overshoe.

The Archbishop of Overshoe.

kiamlaluno

Galoscie.

Jolly

I'm giving a speech on etymology, and i'm talking about the words with Germanic origins

JSBangs

-1

Q: the dialect and development the development of english language

the different between grammatical gender and neutral gender

essay

Martha

Galoshes, Kalosha, I can see that.

JSBangs

19:38

does anyone feel like trying to rescue that question, or will you all follow my lead in closing as NARQ?

RegDwight

@JSBangs Closed already.

MrHen

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Q: Someone told me "fair" is the "F" word, they don't like it in their house. Should I avoid using it?

I used "It's not fair", but someone told me "fair" is the "F" word, and they don't like it in their house. Should I avoid using it? ps: sorry if my question offended someone, I didn't mean to it.

word-choice offensive

Jolly

so i want to start the para with a German sentence that sounds English but it not.. its German...

JSBangs

sweet

RegDwight

Remember that closed doesn't mean "please don't try to improve".

MrHen

19:39

Ugh. Someone just edited this so it popped up.

JSBangs

@MrHen i actually like that one. upvoted both Q and accepted A

RegDwight

@Jolly What you've got so far? Any vague ideas at least?

MrHen

@JSBangs :P

RegDwight

I could quote like a zillion German words that sound like English, but that wouldn't really help you.

Handy, Rucksack, Service-Point, Bodybag...

Jolly

i though of good morning or my name is .... or stuff like we live ....
but they sound very complex.. not English kind =L

RegDwight

19:42

@Jolly Well, everyday phrases are usually very specific, in every language.

It's weirdo stuff that languages tend to share and borrow.

kiamlaluno

Isn't rucksack an English word?

MrHen

Backpack

A backpack (also called rucksack, knapsack, packsack, pack) is, in its simplest form, a cloth sack carried on one's back and secured with two straps that go over the shoulders, but there can be exceptions. Lightweight types of backpacks are sometimes worn on only one shoulder strap. Backpacks are often preferred to handbags for carrying heavy loads or carrying any sort of equipment, because of the limited capacity to carry heavy weights for long periods of time in the hands. Large backpacks, used to carry loads over 10 kg (22 lbs), usually offload the largest part (up to ab...

RegDwight

@kiamlaluno so are handy, bodybag, overhead projector, public viewing, but they don't mean the same thing in German.

MrHen

@RegDwight Hehe, public viewing.

Cerberus

Those are English loan words.

kiamlaluno

19:44

@RegDwight For a moment I thought I was using a German word instead of an English one.

RegDwight

@MrHen Yes, that's when you gather on the streets to watch soccer.

Cerberus

@Jolly: Do you want Germanic words specifically, or will Romance words do as well?

kiamlaluno

Romance?

RegDwight

Jolly

German only =L lol

RegDwight

19:45

That's a bodybag, according to some Germans.

kiamlaluno

La casa è bella.

MrHen

@RegDwight Aw. That is significantly less provocative than I was hoping for.

Cerberus

Romance languages

The Romance languages (sometimes referred to as Romanic languages, Latin languages, Neolatin languages or Neo-Latin languages) are a branch of the Indo-European language family, more precisely of the Italic languages subfamily, comprising all the languages that descend from Vulgar Latin, the language of ancient Rome. There are more than 800 million native speakers worldwide, mainly in the Americas and Europe, as well as many smaller regions scattered throughout the world. Because of the extreme difficulty and varying methodology of distinguishing among language, variety, and dialect, it ...

Jolly

Guten Morgen! okay does that sound English when you say it? =L

it means good morning

RegDwight

Jan 29 at 20:05, by RegDwight

Also, here, yet another thing called bodybag: http://humanlanguages.com/rlerfeng.htm

@Jolly Depends on who "you" is.

Cerberus

19:46

Gut sounds a lot like good.

RegDwight

But guten doesn't sound remotely similar.

Cerberus

The mor- parts of both words are also nearly identical.

kiamlaluno

@Cerberus I know what Romance means; it's just that I wake up all times somebody says the word.

Cerberus

@Reg: True.

Jolly

Meaning =L @RegDwight

Cerberus

19:47

@Kiam: Why? You a sucker for romance?

Jolly

so it doesn't quite sound English, does it @Cer

RegDwight

@Cerberus Make it mo-, then I might agree.

kiamlaluno

@Cerberus No.

Cerberus

@Reg: I don't think the -r- is that different? I mean the English r, not the American one.

RegDwight

/ˈmɔʁɡŋ/ vs /ˈmɔːnɪŋ/

You be the judge.

kiamlaluno

19:49

@Cerberus It's just the fact they are a branch of the Italic languages.

Vitaly

As a late follow-up to the long s talk:

> For the Art of Producing Fire, we have the Frication of all hard Bodies, that beget Fire, eſpecially of the Flint and Steel; and inſtead of the Flint, moſt Troll Tongues may be us'd to do the ſame effect, on the Web; as upon trial I have obſerved.

Cerberus

@Reg: I suppose I was thinking of a different regional accent. I'm sure there is some region where they pronounce it more like the English r? Or isn't there?

RegDwight

@Cerberus Huh?

In Bavaria they roll the R as in Russian or Spanish.

Cerberus

Let me consult Forvo...

kiamlaluno

Isn't the Italian r rolled?

Robusto

19:52

I didn't realize you answered the shtuk question, @RegDwight. I bow to your better resources.

RegDwight

@Robusto I had to check back with Vitaly, to be honest, as I don't have access to the OED.

But I thought you had a copy of Partridge laying around?

Robusto

I'm at work.

RegDwight

Ah.

Robusto

All I have is teh Internetz.

And they kinda suck.

RegDwight

You poor sod. You really are at work at any given time of any given day.

I thought you were exaggerating.

Cerberus

19:54

@Reg: I don't know what this is in IPA, but it doesn't sound much like the r on Wikipedia that I get when I consult the article about ʁ.

forvo.com/search/morgen/de

RegDwight

The Male from Belgium is hilarious.

But the rest is okay.

Note the ʁ in all cases.

Cerberus

Hah the Belgian guy probably misclicked: that is regular Flemish morgen.

Vitaly

Night all.

RegDwight

Gut' Nächtle!

Jolly

okay, sorry for interrupting, but does this in any way sound English when spoken "Hier ist der Projektor"

Cerberus

19:58

@Reg: It sounds rather soft and unmarked, like the English r. I didn't mean to say that they were the same, just that to a casual listener both mor- parts might sounds quite similar.

@Vit: Night!

@Jolly: Slightly... but I don't think an Englishman who didn't know any German would understand.

Besides, Projektor is only related to projector in that both languages borrowed it from Latin.

That is, the etymological connection is not located in the Germanic family/branch of languages.

Jolly

ohh... gees =L
lol thanx though =)

i'll keep looking lol

RegDwight

@Jolly approx. /'hiːəsʔdepʀɔ'jektoːɐ/

Approximately.

MrHen

Err... @JSBangs, don't look now but your old friends merged into word-usage.

Cerberus

20:16

I call foul play!

Incest!

kiamlaluno

I call it… I forgot how I call it.

"the dialect and development the development of english language".

That is a nice title.

RegDwight

Don't kick a man lying on the ground.)))

MrHen

Woohoo! 5k! Oh wait.

RegDwight

@MrHen Huh?

MrHen

english.stackexchange.com/privileges/approve-tag-wiki-edits

F'x

20:22

MrHen, Texas

5k 8 24

single-word-requests meaning word-choice idioms etymology differences phrases

MrHen

Not that cool of a reward. :P

RegDwight

@Fx Yes, but why "oh wait"?

@MrHen Ah.

Well, there wasn't any reward just a month ago or so.

MrHen

Don't I get a laser or something at 5k?

kiamlaluno

@RegDwight You cannot kick a man who is sitting; if you don't do it when he is laying, when would you do it? ;-)

F'x

@MrHen there the even cooler (read: useless) english.stackexchange.com/privileges/protect-questions

RegDwight

20:24

@kiamlaluno Italian Logic™.

JSBangs

d00ds, SO neu-podcast #3 just came out

are they releasing those twice a week, now?

F'x

@MrHen indeed, you do; sorry for not reacting faster

MrHen

@Fx Yeah, but that has a worthwhile function that makes sense only at that level of rep. Wiki edits? Ooh... better not mess those up.

RegDwight

@JSBangs No, the weeks are just shorter now due to summer time.

F'x

there you go, boy; you'll get a red one at 10k

kiamlaluno

20:25

@MrHen I proposed a T-shirt with my picture, but they said it was against some conventions.

RegDwight

@Fx Now please shop that on top of this:

Apr 24 at 14:41, by F'x

kiamlaluno

@RegDwight That is Italic Logic; we don't consider the ancient Romans to be Italian.

RegDwight

Okay people, I gotta go listen to the podcast.

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F'x

@RegDwight you don't really have to go, I'm pretty sure they such technology that the podcast comes to you

or: in Soviet Russia, podcast listens to you!

RegDwight

Yeah, but I can't be listening to your mumblings and Joel and Jeff's at the same time.

That's why I will literally go sit on the sofa, sort some LEGO and listen.

You welcome @AndrewFashion in the mean time.)))

F'x

20:33

@AndrewFashion hi

Cerberus

I still think @JSB is more fashionable.

Judging by their pictures.

psmears

20:50

@Fx Wow... can I have one too when I reach 5k? If so I might be motivated to start answering questions again...

Cerberus

What, are you still below 5k? Odd.

psmears

Too much time spent commenting rather than answering :)

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