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16:00

I tried playing with the internal construction of the strings at the back but concluded that it'd need major rework to make it happen.

RegDwighт

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I always force myself to do that, and never succeed. It's always WTF this can't be right, and I keep fooling around, in vain, only to give up and then find out that, again, it's the very last step that fixes everything.

TemporaryNickName

it's awesome that I have been backing up my project

so I can always go back =D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@TemporaryNickName are you using version control? or something home-baked.

TemporaryNickName

yeah, I am using git

RegDwighт

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 this is the video I mentioned yesterday, with awful sound and camera work, where Jamie explains in-depth how he ended up with the current design and how nothing else worked at all.

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Robusto

16:02

Backing up your project so that you can go back is not awesome. Backing up your project so that you get head each time is much more awesome.

TemporaryNickName

and just backing up manually as well

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 do you use a home-baked version control?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@TemporaryNickName no, I at least use CVS if I don't have something fancier

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 CVS is a pharmacy chain around here.

RegDwighт

CVS. Haven't heard that name in a decade.

BRB

TemporaryNickName

i like git because i know how to use it

Cerberus

16:12

slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2013/04/…

JSBձոգչ

Good crafts you can teach your kids.

Cerberus

Random Americans condoning torture, including beating, kicking, severe sleep deprivation, bleeding, etc. etc.

If Slate publishes this, why can't people come to their senses? There are enough good Americans.

RegDwighт

16:24

Oh but the people are at their senses.

I'm sitting here doing nothing about the Euro crisis, either.

Cerberus

Silly you!

RegDwighт

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I had a closer look at the image on the package right now, and they actually tightened the string in the foreground by turning its connecting point 180 degrees, and the string in the background actually is loose in the official photo even though they did a 180 on that one, too!

Cerberus

> Dutch King Willem-Alexander is saluted by guests during the religious crowning ceremony at Nieuwe Kerk

Wrong. It's not a religious ceremony.

Just the investiture.

RegDwighт

Oh right, you're getting one of those anachronistic lazybones again.

Andrew Leach

If you can afford it, why not?

RegDwighт

16:32

And you used to hate him but came to terms with him after it was pointed out to you that he was a little stupid. Bulletproof logic.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт on my model, the two 10-long strings that form the decoration in the middle of the wing, the centre studs are in line so that the string forms a continuous line, but at one end of each pair one of the studs is rotated 90 degrees which adds tension.

RegDwighт

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yes, that's the end I'm talking about. On the photo it's 180, not 90. And still one of the strings is loose.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

But I was just watching that video and I noticed that Jamie was saying that string length is quite variable

RegDwighт

Yes.

BTW, I now tweaked all strings on mine, actually removing two 1x1 round plates, so now everything moves up and down. I'm quite satisfied, at last.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Hey! Your lazybone costs twice as much as ours.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

16:34

@RegDwighт on my model, because I'm not super careful, one wing has the string rotated 90° at the lower wing, and the other has it rotated 90° at the upper wing, and they're pretty tight.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Yes, sort of. But actually, he has grown. He has exceeded my expectations.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus that's relativism. "He's dumb and expensive, but gosh, others are worse!"

Plus I'm not sure ours are worse. I'm not sure whom you mean.

Cerberus

No, I mean that the alternative is a ceremonial President, which is worse.

RegDwighт

The German president costs literally nothing, the figures got posted in this very room.

Cerberus

What we should have, however, is a stadhouder.

@RegDwighт I read that he costs twice what our King costs?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

16:36

@RegDwighт I tried playing with the string length on the tail flaps. I got pretty good movement but only if I remove the joystick from the cockpit.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus my point exactly. Just like George W. Or Merkel, for that matter. If you expect nothing of people, of course they exceed your expectations. They can't help it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I moved the attachment point to the inner-most stud of that 1x6 plate on the flap.

Cerberus

Mwah, no, he did better than that. And so did Merkel.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus not in this chat, no you have not.

Cerberus

Then what does your President cost?

RegDwighт

16:37

People should finally expect things from politicians. Even more so from kings, who aren't even politicians.

KitFox

Now with the drumming. Right outside my window.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus search the transcript, help yourself, I must be off to prepare the Town Hall orgasmathon.

KitFox

What?

Cerberus

Very well.

Whatever that is, have fun.

RegDwighт

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KitFox

16:38

Elections on GL&U or something?

@RegDwighт Oh, you have one of those?

RegDwighт

Haha, little in way of orgasms there.

@KitFox yes, and we discussed it just last night.

KitFox

I stopped at Sopwith Camel.

RegDwighт

23 hours ago, by RegDwighт

And tonight I'll finally dive into Sopwith Camel, another one of Jamie's models, or perhaps the Town Hall. Or the Hobbit gathering. Gah. Choices, choices.

KitFox

I don't remember any Town Hall.

See? Did it again just then.

RegDwighт

23 hours ago, by KitFox

@RegDwighт gasp Envy.

You replied to that comment, darling.

KitFox

16:39

blah blah Sopwith Camel blah blah blah.

Cerberus

The hobbit gathering.

KitFox

Is what I actually replied too.

RegDwighт

@KitFox Well I assembled my blah blah, watching Shawn of the Dead, no less. Now I expect some envy.

KitFox

little defeated groan

RegDwighт

Big enough for me.

KitFox

16:40

I would wear your life like a fleshcoat.

But not in a creepy way.

RegDwighт

I'm off to open OVER 9000 part packages and make room on all the tables I can find in the radius of twenty feet.

KitFox

Aren't you supposed to open them one at a time?

RegDwighт

With Town Hall, perhaps.

Sopwith Camel was all mixed up.

KitFox

Interesting.

RegDwighт

Well they started moving to numbered packs in all sets only recently.

Creator sets will probably stay unnumbered for all eternity.

@Cerberus thehobbit.lego.com/en-us/products/79003

Some other time. Perhaps tomorrow.

Cerberus

16:44

Ohh the hobbits are actually smaller!

KitFox

Naturally.

RegDwighт

Hm. But I could also build the Grand Emporium.

shop.lego.com/en-US/Grand-Emporium-10211

Also, I only just realized I have nowhere to put the Camel.

I am sitting in a 323 square feet room, and have no room for a plane.

KitFox

Hang it from the ceiling.

RegDwighт

Yeah right. My wife will kill me. It took me 18 months to hang a lamp.

KitFox

It can fly over the Town Hall.

Make it a lamp

RegDwighт

16:49

Not my point.

KitFox

I know.

RegDwighт

She'll kill me if I suddenly get to full speed just because it's LEGO.

KitFox

You must be very naughty to upset her like that.

RegDwighт

I've been told so.

KitFox

Maybe you can balance it out by doing something she's been asking for, like building her a shelf for her sewing stuff.

Out of LEGO, if you have to.

RegDwighт

16:50

That I did.

And not out of LEGO, for extra points.

KitFox

Just now? While she was gone?

RegDwighт

No.

KitFox

The point is to surprise her with that, so she doesn't notice the LEGO so much.

RegDwighт

There are amounts of LEGO no amount of surprises will paint over.

KitFox

You could put the plane near the helicopter, so it would have a friend.

RegDwighт

16:52

Helicopter? That one I built at work, for work. It's gone now, too.

I'll have to disassemble a huge Technic truck and Sebulba's Pod Racer to make room for just this one plane.

And I haven't even begun with the Town Hall yet.

Anyway. I think I'll start by working on problems. Can always work on solutions later.

AFKish.

KitFox

Later!

ali

Hello my friends

KitFox

Hello.

ali

nice to see you

KitFox

How are you?

ali

17:04

i'm fine thank you and you?

KitFox

I'm well. Having a hard time concentrating.

ali

:))

whit whom?

KitFox

It's a nice day and it's a service day, so noöne is really working.

ali

really

What is interesting

KitFox

?

ali

17:08

do you play game now?

KitFox

I thought about it, but I'm writing an ASMR script instead.

ali

ASMR

what is it?

KitFox

Autonomous sensory meridian response

"Autonomous sensory meridian response" (ASMR) is a neologism for an alleged biological phenomenon characterized as a distinct, pleasurable tingling sensation in the head, scalp or peripheral regions of the body in response to visual, auditory, olfactory, and/or cognitive stimuli. Tom Stafford, a professor at the University of Sheffield, says, "It might well be a real thing, but it's inherently difficult to research." Origins of the term in popular culture According to a submission at Know Your Meme, "ASMR" was first used on 25 February 2010 in the Facebook group Autonomous Sensory Meridia...

ali

Are you student?

KitFox

No.

ali

17:12

or neologism

KitFox

I'm not a neologism either.

ali

what is your work?

KitFox

I'm a programmer.

ali

:))

than you are ITwoman

KitFox

IS.

I'm not a tech, I'm an engineer.

ali

17:16

my friend is programmer

i called him ITman

I'm math student

Matt Эллен

♬ They tried to make me date a sea hag, and I said no! no! no! ♬

KitFox

You really ought to re-think it.

I have a partial draft done. I am tempted to record it so you can hear it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

17:32

@MattЭллен That's just anti-seahagism.

sea hags have a lot to offer. The fishy smell. those salty kisses. seaweed surprises. you should reconsider.

KitFox

Argh. Marching band interrupted my recording.

Matt Эллен

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 If you like them so much, you marry them!

KitFox

You want to hear the first part of the first draft?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattЭллен I'm already married.

Matt Эллен

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 bigamist!

@KitFox yes!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

17:41

@MattЭллен pigamist?

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Matt Эллен

lol

KitFox

dropbox.com/s/bro4xppniydbjrj/AMSR2.mp3

And the sea cucumber gains a fish in its anus.

At least I'm not a male angler fish.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Haha. Too bad he doesn't provide more information, because those animals are really interesting.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I think from now on we should prefix land- before all land-dwelling animals. land-pig, land-horse, land-cucumber.

as you can see, they're virtually identical.

Cerberus

17:56

@KitFox Oh no, scary! It actually works.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

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Cerberus

Although I grinned at your "I just have to wash up from the last experiment".

KitFox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You got it.

@Cerberus You haven't listened to the whole thing, have you?

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yup! Does English have seadogs btw? In Dutch, seals are zeehonden.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus no

KitFox

17:57

We have seadogs.

Cerberus

@KitFox Nope! I have to go in a minute.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

at least, I don't think so

we do?

KitFox

The Seadog Brewery, and a minor league baseball team.

Probably a Maine thing.

I think it refers to sailors and not seals, but I think people around here would recognize seadog as an alternative to seal.

Cerberus

Jan 17 at 21:39, by Cerberus

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Always leaps ahead.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus meh. I've posted it before too.

@KitFox I only know of it as a word for sailors.

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RegDwighт

18:01

Whoa. I'm on the Best Of Everything list. Twice. At last I can give up this life of crime and retire.

@Cerberus so is your king king yet? I'm not following too closely.

KitFox

@RegDwighт Twice?

Cerberus

Yes.

KitFox

I see the tower.

Cerberus

He was invested yesterday.

@RegDwighт Congrats!

RegDwighт

@KitFox then look to the left of it.

Carlo_R.

18:03

Later!

Matt Эллен

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 hilarious

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The star nosed mole: youtube.com/watch?v=fio1NUxszhY

RegDwighт

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 my wife finds them soooo cute.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт they remind me of a monster from half-life

RegDwighт

That's a funny video.

Matt Эллен

18:07

bbl

KitFox

@MattЭллен Oi! But what did you think of it?

I don't see you left of it, @Reg.

RegDwighт

Awwww and then it links to the naked mole rat!

This is a good day.

@KitFox scroll just a tiny bit down, then it will pop out at you.

KitFox

No, nothing pops out when I scroll down.

RegDwighт

KitFox

Yay!

RegDwighт

18:11

I think it's some crazy AJAX stuff. Ask @Cerberus, he knows all about AJAX.

Carlo_R.

We use AJAX for washing!

google.com/…

RegDwighт

Oh, BTW if you thought 4 bucks per part were expensive, check out this. And you can't even frigging use it for anything. @Kit

KitFox

But it's mast rigging. Who wouldn't want to spend $100 on that?

ali

hi @Carlo_R.

pleased to meet you

How are you my friend

RegDwighт

@KitFox so that's why your elections are so damn expensive. They must be rigged using LEGO parts.

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KitFox

18:17

Augh.

ali

what mean is it??"Augh"

KitFox

It's an exclamation.

RegDwighт

It's a gh from down under.

KitFox

Like "Oh." only more exasperated.

ali

yes

we say too

Cerberus

18:20

@Carlo_R. That's what I thought of too!

KitFox

> schools in areas with higher indicators of poverty were the ones branded with the majority of failing grades.

sighs

Cerberus

@RegDwighт That's insane!

We have a pirate ship.

Carlo_R.

Hi, @ali.

KitFox

Maybe because there are worse schools in poor areas because they can't afford to support them?

Cerberus

I'm sure we have some of those rigging pieces lying around.

Carlo_R.

18:22

I'm going to buy a pizza, now. @ali

ali

ok good luck

Carlo_R.

@ali, see you later.

ali

me too

RegDwighт

@Cerberus then you can buy a whole Balkenende for one of them.

Cerberus

Noo...

I didn't know they had a Harry Potter set. Stupid.

RegDwighт

18:24

So how's all the AJAX fans camping under your window doing?

We expect to be informed!

Cerberus

Umm.

Ajax died long ago.

That's all I know.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus a Harry Potter set?

Cerberus

Noooooo...

RegDwighт

Yeeeeaaaah.

I am holding a Harry Potter now making him look at you. Yes, you.

Cerberus

That's the laziest Lego I have ever seen. It's like...Playmobil.

RegDwighт

18:27

Nah you ain't seen nothing yet.

ali

:))

Cerberus

hides in sack of indeterminate colour

RegDwighт

KitFox

giggles

Is that the Creationist Jesus rides a dinosaur set?

Cerberus

Haha.

@RegDwighт Yeah, that's as lazy as the dragons we had, but not the car.

RegDwighт

18:29

You get the idea.

And then there's that Jabba fatso.

KitFox

Rowr.

Cerberus

RegDwighт

KitFox

grumbles Nothing wrong with Playmobil.

Cerberus

Even as kids, we hated sets that were themed after some film or tv series.

RegDwighт

18:30

Even as kids, you were REBELS!

Cerberus

@KitFox Sure, we loved Playmobil too. But it's just not the same thing.

@RegDwighт No, we just recognised a lazy rip-off when we saw one!

RegDwighт

Ironically, Star Wars is all about rebels. You're part of the system, Dutchhound.

Cerberus

Pah.

KitFox

grumbles Nothing wrong with LEGO Star Wars except the price.

RegDwighт

No amount of pah will amount to an alleviation of wherever this sentence is heading to.

Cerberus

18:31

We had this one.

I still have it somewhere.

KitFox

I always wanted that one.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus yeah you know, those sets had huge-ass parts, too. Like half a tower in one piece. Go away.

KitFox

We never got the big ones.

Cerberus

I changed it a bit, of course, because there weren't enough secret passages, and it was lacking the Robin Hood tree as a tower.

RegDwighт

Red Riding Robin Hood. Only with LEGO!

Cerberus

18:33

@RegDwighт Only the wall pieces! Nothing else.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus well yes, and guess what is the hardest to build with regular LEGO bricks, walls or everything else?

Seriously. A dino I can at least understand. Well, no. But I can pretend. But walls?

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Easy, but boring?

So imagine that castle with this tree on it as a tower.

KitFox

@Cerberus Hotlink busted.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus that's the Playmobil slogan, yes.

Cerberus

Tsk, tsk.

RegDwighт

18:36

You can't handle the truth, but that doesn't mean you should tsk it.

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Gigili

Ello. Does following sentence make sense to you?

> As we were permitted to send the virus finder exercise until tonight, please find the exercise attached.

Cerberus

My friends, my brother, and I still occasionally address each other by our Playmobil names.

RegDwighт

I find the choice of permitted odd.

I'll go with allowed.

KitFox

@Gigili The until sounds funny. Maybe by or before.

RegDwighт

Anyway. I've been meaning to give up this room of crime and build a town hall of no crime. Whatever happened to that plan, dangit.

BBL

Gigili

18:39

Aha, so As we were allowed to send the virus finder exercise by tonight, please find the exercise attached, better?

KitFox

Yes, I think so.

Gigili

Should I say since instead of as?

KitFox

Yes, I like since better there.

Gigili

Uhum. Thank you Kit.

tchrist

@Andrew Why don’t you capitalize royalty titles any longer? If the Prince of Wales shows up, why would he be the prince of Wales today? After all, his mother is not the queen of England.

I think he’s still the Prince.

But I’m not very much of a royalist.

KitFox

18:42

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tchrist

That one is just Prince, not the Prince. :)

There are a lot of dogs named Prince, too.

KitFox

I disagree.

There is only one Prince, and that is he.

tchrist

What? That is actually is the Prince?

KitFox

Not the little one.

tchrist

We sure seem to have a lot of vandal savages on ELU lately. Or vice versa.

KitFox

18:45

Do we? I hadn't noticed.

tchrist

Just spammage and spewage.

RegDwighт

18:59

@KitFox so the Town Hall does come in numbered bags. 30 bags, numbered from 1 all the way to 3.

That's not a typo. 3, not 30.

Currently sorting out the 14 bags labeled "1".

BBL

KitFox

Well. Good.

Cerberus

That you?

KitFox

That's my cousin, Wendy.

Cerberus

I really like that scene.

JSBձոգչ

kinky.

i'll remember to keep the foxes away from my globes

KitFox

19:08

Hey @JSB. I have a part of another ASMR. Want to hear it?

JSBձոգչ

can we wait till tomorrow?

i'm pretty busy for the rest of the day

KitFox

Sure. I might have more of it by then anyway.

Cerberus

@JSBձոգչ You no like?

JSBձոգչ

actually, it's very cute

it took me quite a while to get it, i'm afraid to admit

KitFox

You need some rest, I think.

JSBձոգչ

19:12

uh oh

that sounds like the beginning of a terrifying asmr session

Cerberus

I saw it in an article about Firefox, so I had an unfair advantage.

@JSBձոգչ Hahaha.

KitFox

makes note

I think you will like the new one.

Cerberus

Kit could be the Girl Genius from @Trig's comic.

JSBձոգչ

wait wait wait

KitFox

raises eyebrow questioningly

JSBձոգչ

19:15

Girl Genius is Trig's comic?

as in, Trig writes it?

KitFox

No, can't be.

Robusto

OK, it's official: The courts have ruled that you can be too smart to be a cop.

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JSBձոգչ

19:31

what the hell

Andrew Leach

@tchrist You English? Or me personally? (Just got home, sorry for delay)

tchrist

19:52

@AndrewLeach You wrote something somewhere referring to the Prince of Wales as the prince. It looked funny.

Here, if you are “the X of Y” with capitals on both X and Y, then the capital is retained when reducing to “the X”.

If the President of the United States walks into the room, he is still the President, not the president.

Andrew Leach

Oh. Well, the Prince of Wales is still the Prince of Wales. But if he's just "the prince over there" then it's a small p.

tchrist

If the Mayor of New York walks into the room, and then the Mayor decides to speak, he is still the Mayor, not the mayor.

Because we are talking about specific people by their formal title. It isn’t like random deliverymen.

At least, that’s how I see it.

So I would have said that the Prince entered the room, when referring to the Prince of Wales.

Apparently you don’t do it that way there.

He is a specific prince.

So he is the Prince, not the prince.

This may be a pondian difference.

Andrew Leach

Possibly. Princes are two-a-penny over here. Well, there's one fewer now that one has become a king.

A king, not the King.

tchrist

I think the only place you can say “the king” is in Chess. :)

Grant Thomas

Or in religious catechisms.

Andrew Leach

19:59

Really? Do you have an example?

tchrist

Who is the King of glory?

Psalm 24:10

Grant Thomas

Bingo.

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