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00:21
guys
how do I say "let us not forget our dead friends"
i am making a poster, and planning to put photos of the colleagues who died in the past years.. just do not know what to write
using the "dead friends" is bad i guess..
whats the better way?
 
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02:18
This must be a racist question but do average Americans believe all Asians are from China?
02:54
@HaLaBi Maybe "departed friends"?
@TemporaryNickName No.
@Cerb Why does writing berzeliite, catapleiite, haematostibiite, khakiite, lehiite, magadiite, manganostibiite, niggliite, nowackiite, Shafiite, Shiite, stranskiite, tholeiite, and valleriite as berzeliïte, catapleiïte, haematostibiïte, khakiïte, lehiïte, magadiïte, manganostibiïte, niggliïte, nowackiïte, Shafiïte, Shiïte, stranskiïte, tholeiïte, and valleriïte bother me?
It is because of the diphthong in the second syllable? Would berzelïite, catapleïite, haematostibïite, khakïite, lehïite, magadïite, manganostibïite, nigglïite, nowackïite, Shafïite, Shïite, stranskïite, tholeïite, and vallerïite be any better?
Nothing satisfies here. Then there’s the Hawaiian spelling of Hawai‘i for the glottal stop.
03:06
@HaLaBi hmm, this must be a stupid idea but how about "let us not forget forgotten friends"
or "Let us not forget our friends from past"
hmm, he is gone. Never mind
@tchrist lehiïte
It's a word with freckles!
 
1 hour later…
04:25
Advocating the adoption of English as the de-facto standard language of software development is simple pragmatism, the most virtuous of all hacker traits. If that makes me an ugly American programmer, so be it.
04:44
@TemporaryNickName s/of software development// And laziness not pragmatism is the principle virtue of the programmer.
04:55
Hello
@tchrist Correctness is the principle virtue of the programmer. Laziness is a terrible meme that should be stomped out.
@Meysam Hello.
@MετάEd You misunderstand laziness.
what's the meaning of bullish in this text? "We are in view that the long term prospect of these precious metals remains very bullish"
       laziness
           The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy
           expenditure.  It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will
           find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many
           questions about it.  Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer.  Also hence,
           this book.  See also "impatience" and "hubris".
@tchrist No, I do not. I am well aware of the "lazy programmer" paradigm.
I do, however, deliberately reject it.
04:56
I do battle every day with idiotic programmers who are not lazy enough.
Labor saving is not the first great virtue of the programmer. Correctness is.
They duplicate code everywhere, because they are too lazy to create abstractions.
This is pure hell.
Yes, yes.
What you are talking about merely makes it harder to be correct.
Their code is correct, but virtually unmaintainable.
@tchrist that's not really being lazy if you are talking about "copying and pasting"
from google
that's being a noob
04:58
So they change something in only one out of the forty places they’ve got duplicate code, and it sucks megadonkeydicks.
I am so pissed at them.
Their excuse is always that they are in a hurry.
I hate them forever.
Because it costs me time because they are idiots.
Not lazy enough.
@tchrist are you talking about programmers in your country or programmers from countries that you are outsourcing your work?
@MετάEd Optimistic / confident?
@TemporaryNickName Your perspicacity is showing.
05:08
@tchrist You are answering Nortonn questions now?
Fine.
@tchrist Theft of content taint: same content at wordreference.com and englishforums.com (and still visible at the latter site)
hmm I am confused between
pitch perfect and glee look similar but which one is legit (original)?
05:24
@Meysam Yes. It derives from the term "bull market" (contrast "bear market").
05:39
@MετάEd Can it mean "strong"?
@Meysam As shown on that link, it means: expecting a successful future, expecting the prices of stocks to rise, expecting the level of economic activity in general to rise.
@MετάEd Thank you
 
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07:03
@tchrist i forgot about the Arctic fox and Snösparv
 
5 hours later…
11:45
I hate being tired despite a good night's sleep. it seems so unfair
Howdy
@MattЭллен Take a nap in the afternoon.
And you won't feel the same
work frowns on sleeping in the office
@MattЭллен Umm, get a job somewhere else– where office sleeping sofas are available.
I'd rather just not be tired after a good night's sleep
Then don't be :)
I'd go to sleep earlier
11:56
youngling, at this point in your life, advice is not your strong suit
@MattЭллен earthling, you are right:)
Sorry, I was trying to help :) LOL
I know :)
I'm tired and cranky
don't worry about it
No prob.
failed joke (not even funny) 100% fail 0 % wit
@JohanLarsson ?
12:01
@JohanLarsson hi!
@MattЭллен proffers coffee
@KitFox thanks for the offer, but I think I'd better not. I think this is a prolonged redbull crash or something. I don't normally have such stimulants, but I had two large cans of redbull, one on Friday and one on Sunday. Seemed like a good idea, but now I'm understimulated
Dude, you gotta stay away from that shit.
12:09
You need orange juice.
And something greasy.
I mean it. You can trust me. I used to be a neuroscientist.
I mean, the week before, at the jQuery conference there was free redbull. So I had a can and suddenly I was a friken genius. but that wasa a regular sized can
more is better, I thought
Yeah. That stuff is pretty much crack in a can. You shouldn't drink it. It shouldn't even be legal.
apparently not
I have it on good authority from a medical professional that I know that it is pretty equivalent to snorting cocaine.
Anyway. Orange juice will perk you right up. Or a sugar drink with B vitamins.
it certainly enhanced my confidence
@KitFox I've had a fair amount of juice. I have a glass every morning
12:13
Well, she's snorted cocaine. I think she would have a good yardstick for comparison.
and apple juice in the evening
So then something greasy?
maybe. I had a Pizza for Sunday lunch
Potatoes would be best. Maybe french fries.
No, I mean now. To make you feel better.
Speaking of, I'll brb. Getting yogurt.
oh, well, I have no way of doing that. I just had a cheese n pickle sandwich
12:16
Did it help?
What about oatmeal?
I'm at work. I only have the food I brought with me
Yeah, I'm feeling less tired now
but still fuggy headed
apparently drinking one of the large cans can cause sudden death
which is nice
mixes oatmeal into yogurt, spills it all over keyboard
I didn't have that symptom or nausea
Did you have heart palpitations?
Tachycardia?
it definitely made my heart feel off. also, no noticable wweight gain
so, not irregular, but certainly rapid heart beat
12:19
Look what you've done. Triggered Kit's Mom Mode.
So tonight, make something starchy or greasy for dinner.
Potatoes, if you like them. Or rice and beans.
I will be having a lot of starch - pasta and garlic bread
OK. That should help.
Jez
Jez
greasy? get a kebab
12:22
Mmm, kebabs.
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Is he a kebab?
I wonder if they picked that picture because it makes him look gay.
He came out yesterday. It's historic, etc.
I can't wait until football players start coming out.
But a black man and a basketball player. That's huge.
Hey @Matt, should we write today?
So I wrote, "Did I mention [something] yet?" and then I started thinking how perhaps it should be "Have I mentioned [something] yet?" and now I've been thinking about it for too long, so I'm semantically satiated and neither makes any sense now.
12:27
@KitFox yeah!
@RegDwighт Both are OK.
@RegDwighт they are both correct
jinx
The first openly gay football (soccer) player, in the FA, commited suicide in 1998
"Did I mention" seems more past-oriented.
Well yeah I guess. It's that stupid yet that calls for Present Perfect for me.
"Have I mentioned" seems more present-oriented.
12:28
@KitFox I have no problems with "did I mention". I'm stuggling because it's "did I mention yet".
(And I want that yet to stay.)
Did I mention balrogs yet?
Yeah.
You'd say that's okay?
Yeah.
Well then. Kit >>> head, so I'll accept.
I think Have might be more common, but Did doesn't stand out to me.
12:30
My main problem is that this is nothing to give a rat's ass about, but once you start, you can't stop.
Yeah. Like potato chips.
Precisely. Very apt.
Or @Matt here, with his Red Bull addiction.
I'm not addicted!
Are you subtracted?
12:32
I've had three cans in the past decade
Or multiplying?
or maybe not that long, but a long time
I don't even know how much an Imperial decade is.
Two hours?
it's, like, slightly longer than 3 imperal feet years
Illogical. But this is Imperial, so it must be true.
12:33
18 imperial wank-punters?
silently notes successful Brit-themed joke
Yeah that's notable. Brits and jokes don't mix well.
hey! we've got all the best comedians
One more flag and I'll be done. I'll overflow eight bits.
12:35
@MattЭллен That's what the Germans say, too. Now what.
@RegDwighт I'm glad you agree
Everyone thinks their comedians are the best.
@MattЭллен I'd find that funny, but you're a Brit, so no.
I can think of 1 German comedian
And he's the best, by definition.
makes note to decline Ed's next flag
12:36
It's hard not to be the best if you're the only one.
the best German one, but he's so-so by British standards
Okay I'll bite, what is his name, what is his game.
@tchrist I can't believe you'd post something with such bad kerning.
Henning Wehn. He does stand up and he did a show on TV here. I can't remember it very well
12:38
@KitFox Is that what you call that? I was attributing it to something else.
He appears on panel shows occasionally, on the radio
@MattЭллен Never once heard of him.
@MattЭллен He was indeed the one I was thinking of.
Crap, this machine is going down it seems. Rebootylicious Windows.
BBL
12:39
The methodology is weak.
Henning Knows Best, ah yes, that was it.
I expect that that was generated by LaTeX. The main problem is the way they use inter-word whitespace to attempt to effect all possible justification.
And I haven’t read it yet.
It's short.
I don’t see that it has been accepted in a peer-reviewed journal.
It shouldn't be. It's weak.
12:42
I don’t see anything startling in a quick skim.
The selection sample of users is fine.
But they correlate rep with programming knowledge.
You should be able to see a problem with that immediately.
It’s actually about being able to write a posting that other people will upvote — which is not quite the same thing.
Sometimes timing is involved, too.
Would ELU score correlate with English knowledge? Not necessarily.
Yes. And that aside, reputation depends on the length of time you have been with SO.
especially since our highest voted questions tend to be crowd pleasers not things that are inherently useful
They normalize the rep, but I don't think they do it right.
And I agree with Matt that they ought to look at something different, like answer/accepted answer ratios for their measure.
According to their method, Yoshi Oichi is our top English expert.
Well, Rob, but Yoshi would be up there.
12:47
So long as it doesn't pick Kris, then it's doing OK
> We theorize that programmers acquire technology and skill knowledge as they progress in their careers.
This is probably true.
@KitFox well, he does have a good grasp of English, more than quite a few questioners.
Yes.
But looking at the tags...I don't know. That's a lot of assumptions. First, that they questions are tagged correctly, second that the user is answering C+ questions with C+ answers, which often they are not.
So again, ratios of answers/accepted answers in tag categories would probably be more informative.
Meh. I think it's a good idea, but reputation (and votes in general) are not reliable measures of anything.
@MattЭллен I feel better now. I thought I was the only only who found pretty much everything Kris says is wrong, misleading and unknowledgeable.... and badly kerned.
I was shocked once when I read a comment that I partially agreed with and realized it was by Kris.
the kerning is the worst part
@Mitch it happens to us all. I put it down to the law of large numbers
or averages
which ever one makes sense there
12:57
A broken clock is right twice a day.
and pretty close for a half hour.
the waiting is the hardest part
and...and...
@MattЭллен Show me what you mean. I see bad justification as the worse sin.
paper cuts are the worst kind of cuts...
12:59
@tchrist I think it was a joke. the kerning is equal for all of us
...after axe cuts
@MattЭллен what?
no?
the site has a default font
I think her eyes blink unevenly.
always looking for iperfection
@MattЭллен Nay.
13:04
Yay
@MattЭллен Yes.
Notice how the lack of correct kerning on the web makes Georgia suck.
The open paren collides with the bottom of a following lowercase j.
The right quotation mark (single or double) collides with the lowercase f.
Bad kerning.
Those cases can be worked around by introducing a HAIR SPACE or THIN SPACE.
However, cases where you need to go the other way cannot.
Because we have no NEGATIVE HAIR SPACE.
You can’t snuggle glyphs together, just widen their gaps.
> The CSS property text-rendering: optimizeLegibility; enables kerning in Firefox, Chrome, and Safari.[3] There is also the proposed CSS3 property font-kerning,[4] but it is only supported in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer 10.[5] The CSS3 draft states that kerning should only be enabled for OpenType fonts.[4]
13:21
I should probably go to a spa sometime. These fake ones make it seem like a good idea.
fake spas?
The role play ones.
Hey, we finally got the gravity gun last night.
yay!
and so you met ... um ... dog?
13:25
@KitFox oh, you're about to enter Ravenholme. We don't go there.
Yes. He reminded me of you.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I laughed at that part
that's sweet of you to say
Ravenholme is probably my favourite stage in that game
13:25
Nevermore.
it freaks me the f out every time I play it
Don’t eat so many beans for breakfast and you won’t fart as much.
"Let's just walk down this hall. Oh, I'm going to make a point of telling you that we never go down that hallway."
I looked at my husband and said "Gee, I wonder where we're going next."
@KitFox that's called "foreshadowing"
not to be confused with foreshortening
13:26
Yeah. Like a brick in the face is called "subtle."
@KitFox now that you have the gravity gun, you'll be able to subtly kill your opponents in just that manner.
"Whatever you do, don't go through Rav— rzzt "
And then, the best part, "Go shove Gordon through the door to the unmentionable place, then circle back and find me."
"Bye! Have fun, Gordon!"
It has really been a surprising change in the way I usually play games.
And I didn't think my husband would want to play it, so I had been playing while he was at poker.
how do you usually play games?
But then he came home one time and watched me play for a while. I thought he was bored and waiting for me to finish, but when I saved it, he let his breath out and said "Wow, that's really exciting to watch."
@MattЭллен I'm usually much more methodical and tactical.
I've been playing HL2 mostly like a gun-n-run.
There are many, many places where I didn't even look around.
ali
ali
:))
13:32
That's extremely unusual for me. Even more unusual is that it has not caused me any anxiety.
Normally, I might ask my husband to stop and go check out some area he went past, for instance. This time, it just goes by.
I think it is probably because the game itself is quite linear.
And while there might be supplies hidden somewhere, they aren't secrets.
ali
ali
quite linear??!!
13:33
Like a BFG or some kind of collectible.
@ali Yes, very linear. I usually hate those kinds of games.
ali
ali
:))
I was appreciating the fact that the devs were sensitive enough to avoid pounding you with gunboat fire while you were trying to make that effing jump for the eighth time.
ali
ali
can you say one example of linear game?
I used it as a measure, actually. My husband said "Do you see another way around this? I don't think I can make that jump." And I said, "It must be the jump, and it must be difficult to make because the gunboat isn't sitting on your ass, shooting you."
@ali Half Life 2.
Portal.
13:36
super mario land
ali
ali
do you paly warcraft?
although, there are choices, with the tunnels
Ratchet and Clank.
ali
ali
dota
I don't play WoW. I just downloaded Dota 2.
13:37
Doom
I'd never heard of it before you mentioned it yesterday though.
@MattЭллен All of those. Most games are pretty linear.
Jez
Jez
I've gotten addicted to that tune now
Metal Gear Solid.
ali
ali
13:38
and counter??
Streets of Rage, Altered Beast
@ali you mean not linear?
Street Fighter. Lightsaber Duels.
^Arena games.
@MattЭллен non-linear
Like the GTA series, Just Cause series, open world games in general. Deus Ex was linear, but it gave you the ability to chose the line you took
Skyrim, Oblivion, Morrowind.
Things with big maps.
And few walls.
ali
ali
13:41
oh my god all of them are games??
everything is a game
unless it's not
@ali Are you 12? Or not a gamer?
ali
ali
and it
i'm not gamer
I see. Well, there are thousands of games.
I think the question was rhetorical.
13:44
Which one?
ali
ali
@DavidWallace are you with me?
@KitFox The disjunction of the two other rhetorical questions.
@ali as opposed to without you?
@DavidWallace wouldn't without be opposed to within?
Well, I'm quite sure I'm not within him.
ali
ali
13:48
what mean is "qed then"?
@ali QED = quod erat demonstrandum
ali
ali
thank you
but I'm lazy so I don't always type capital letters.
ali
ali
it is latin
in a chat room.
13:50
Same as a square, innit?
Not all squares.
@ali yes, it's a term used in math and logic.
And I don't think MrS&N answered Ali's question.
ali
ali
ok now I undrestand
Q.E.D. is an initialism of the Latin phrase , originating from the Greek analogous hóper édei deîxai (ὅπερ ἔδει δεῖξαι), meaning "which had to be demonstrated". The phrase is traditionally placed in its abbreviated form at the end of a mathematical proof or philosophical argument when what was specified in the enunciation — and in the setting-out — has been exactly restated as the conclusion of the demonstration. The abbreviation thus signals the completion of the proof. Etymology and early use The phrase quod erat demonstrandum is a translation into Latin from the Greek (; a...
informally it's used as a statement that you've proven what you set out to prove.
ali
ali
13:52
we use it at end of proof
and I was using it as a joke
For @tchrist's benefit.
ч.т.д.
Jez
Jez
hmm
for a somewhat complex page of results, Entity Framework is generating a 1000 line 80kb SQL query

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