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12:24 AM

nite dogs, time to sleep in CET

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3:10 AM

@RegDwighт Have you done a Domo?

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Q: Every Threatened Command

Is there an overlooked error in some article: Throughout the ordeal, he did as they asked while silently analyzing every threatened command, every overheard snatch of dialogue for clues about where and when they might kill him. What is a 'threatened command? How is a command 'threaten...

@simchona

3:32 AM

So if you wonder for days what the funny smell in the fridge is, and your better half keeps insisting that it's not the black beans that are going to get used eventually, you maybe should check the beans anyway. Sooner rather than just a few minutes ago. Ewww.

3:44 AM

@MετάEd Plus ça ne change pas. . . .

@aediaλ Ah. Bio experiment.

Indeed. I'm once again thankful for this dishwasher.

And happy it is warm enough to open so many windows even at night.

@aediaλ glares through his May Day blizzard

The 80s from right beforehand might have been a bit warm, but the 18 tonight is not conducive to open windows.

Sympathy to @tchrist who I suppose will just have to not let anything smelly grow in the fridge until never. (I swear I was already typing that, but the phone makes me slow.)

Aww. It was beautiful today here. At least 18C.

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Journeyman Geek

6:07 AM

hmm

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Q: What is the difference between a fob and a dongle?

Title says it all, what is the difference between a fob and a dongle? I'm talking of course specifically about the two types of hardware that are used to facilitate interfacing with computer systems and software. (This was added to point out how ON TOPIC via the FAQ this question is, after it w...

terminology dongle

you guys want this one?

7:01 AM

hm

Were you planning on deleting it, so were looking for a more lasting home?

It’s all CW’d.

And Closed.

I don’t know that we would have any better answers than are there.

8:03 AM

Can someone brainstorm an idiom/phrase that describes someone who wants to cut costs say by saving a small amount of money when a larger expenditure is done? Say, you want to buy something that's $100, and you're haggling for 50 cents with the seller of the item.

Matt Эллен

penny wise, pound foolish

there's probably something closer to your situation, but it escapes me at the moment

Thanks @MattЭллен

Matt Эллен

no problem :)

Matt Эллен

8:29 AM

@Candide I suppose you might call the person a scrooge

True, true, from "A Christmas Carol" I believe. And Scrooge McDuck from Duck Tales

sub-optimization might apply

9:08 AM

@JSBձոգչ Nay. I just happened to mention it here. (And two of us in The Upper Room talk about it all the time.)

TemporaryNickName

9:46 AM

hmm, I haven't had a weight scale around me for quite awhile and when I measured it today, I saw I gained 5 kg =D

Now I am obese again

10:02 AM

@TemporaryNickName Did you measure the weight scale? Now, that weight scale has really put on some weight.

TemporaryNickName

@Candide I didn't measure the weight scale

I have measured myself on the weight scale

:) sarcasm, not your thing, is it?

TemporaryNickName

It did not make sense at all

alright, get on reddit and get some karma on jokes then

TemporaryNickName

@Candide I think going on reddit is like becoming a very well informed man living under a rock

so that person ends up rocking.. =)

Do you reckon I have a good sense of humor?

10:11 AM

the joke about women is not very nice imo

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Much better! :) Kinda cheesy, not sarcastic enough. We all have our rocks we have to live under.

Mine is called "Job".

TemporaryNickName

Yo mama so fat she sat on Kmart and lowered the prices

that one is funny^

not funny, just strange, maybe take a break from the chat for a while?

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or back to some ELU topic perhaps

TemporaryNickName

I think my previous humor rocked too much and my new humor sounds only mildly funnier to you but it is extremely funny in reality

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hahaha honey boo boo's mom actually looks like your thumb

Matt Эллен

10:31 AM

of all the things, that gets flagged?

I have never flagged anything in chat

TemporaryNickName

ok I am sorry, but it was really funny so I had to share it with people

Matt Эллен

it's fine. It's not flag worthy

The vulgar, sexist joke was perhaps, but a picture of a woman and saying she looks like a thumb, not so much

lets move on

Matt Эллен

yes

10:35 AM

only problem is I'm at work so not very chatty :D

Matt Эллен

me too :D

Morning.

Bold teenagers exploring humor?

hiha

Hi.

TemporaryNickName

@JohanLarsson that can literally be "hai"

10:46 AM

Ohai.

@TemporaryNickName yeah

Matt Эллен

Ohai @KitFox

I was on my way to the shower and breakfast. Thought I'd stop in and see if anything needed my attention.

Matt Эллен

ummmmm

Which it doesn't.

Matt Эллен

10:49 AM

nope

Did you listen to the asmr recording?

wheedles

Matt Эллен

Oh, yeah

Would this be on topic over here, it's about to get closed on DIY:

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Q: What is difference between Home Appliance , Personal Appliance and White goods?

please provide the difference between Home Appliance , Personal Appliance and White goods ? there are other confusion with consumer electronics and electronics...please define!

uh, maybe with extensive edits.

Matt Эллен

it would get closed here too, unless the OP puts in some work.

pretty sure it would be closed at English Language Learners too

they need to pick up a dictionary

10:51 AM

Yeah. OP needs more "this is what I think, this is what I found, here is why I'm confused"

@BMitch Generally, if you're asking for the difference between two or three words/phrases, you should show that you've done some research: You include some dictionary definitions and explain exactly where the confusion lies.

Matt Эллен

if they explain why the dictionary definitions don't satisfy them, then we can talk

(And while I was typing that, two others said the same thing.)

Matt Эллен

:D

At least we said the same thing.

Matt Эллен

10:51 AM

jinxae

Double-jinx!

That was kind of hot. Now I feel awkward.

The OP is most likely a spam account, so I don't have too much concern closing them. So closed it is. (And I'm sure none of this is proper English, sorry.)

I don't love the what i have tried part of questions I like them to be short and clear questions. I know I'm a|in minority

It just needs to show a little effort. I don't care if it's short.

Everything sounds like innuendo this morning.

Ima shower. bbl

Matt Эллен

10:53 AM

wink

learned a new word

Thanks, everyone. /waves

Matt Эллен

no probs :D

@KitFox yes & liked it

Matt Эллен

@KitFox I wasn't sure if you were doing it for humour. ASMR doesn't happen to me, so I can't tell if it's good for that. It wasn't soothing, I think the whisper was a bit raspy for that. I prefered your style in the other one.

or maybe I was in a rush when I listened to it (I was getting ready for a MtG meet up)

did you finish it?

I only heard the first part.

11:04 AM

No, I started in on Ravensholm.

Matt Эллен

:D

did you sleep after?

Remarkably, yes. My husband came home early or else I might have stopped before we got the shotgun.

He played the last round.

Matt Эллен

up on the tower?

I'm trying to remember

No, no, just the last round we played.

We haven't finished it yet.

Matt Эллен

gotcha

11:08 AM

Unfortunately, he got pretty frustrated and we were tired, so it wasn't until after we threw in the towel that we realized that he probably wasn't going to be able to kill all the crabheads, and should have just focused on solving the puzzle instead.

Now where did I put my pants?

Matt Эллен

oh, yeah, the crab heads respawn forever

raises eyebrow

My husband likes to kill things.

And he doesn't like puzzles so much.

I like puzzles, and I actually enjoy them more when I'm under attack because usually they're too easy.

Fighting zombies while taking stock of the situation is much more of a challenge.

Matt Эллен

indeed

I found it quite stressful the first time

Anyway, I'm dressed and off to breakfast with my boys.

bbl!

Matt Эллен

CU!

11:58 AM

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Why punctuation matters

Matt Эллен

lol

Hello!

Could you help me, I can find what does "Awesome thanks" mean?

*can't

Matt Эллен

it means Awesome, thanks

i.e. That's awesome, thanks

where awesome means great

Thanks!

Matt Эллен

no probs

12:07 PM

@Jez Haha!

not as good as this though

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Matt Эллен

HUM ANS?

wow don't think i've ever seen that before

6 million views - ZERO thumbs down

12:41 PM

High view count for that genre

arghhh

i want to play dwarf fortress!!!! damn rest of life

i need to build my airlock area for screening new migrants, set up a hall-o-traps or something for goblins and other things, guard dogs to deal with thieves

an outdoor penned-in and roofed pasture for animals

and here i am working. not getting crucial stuff like playing dwarf fortress done. :-)

I never seem to get nothing done

the act of doing nothing that is

It's hard.

> When we're frolicking through a field somewhere, our gadgets stowed far away, the internet still impacts our thinking: "Will I tweet about this when I get back?"

Who are these "we"?

not me|I for sure

@JohanLarsson What ever happened to il bel far niente, anyway?

Matt Эллен

12:52 PM

@Cerberus the person frolicking and the people they are with

@Cerberus they?

@tchrist I live by it, ty for the quote

@MattЭллен Not we?

@JohanLarsson Apparently.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus maybe. I suppose they could be overgeneralising

@Cerberus The interesting thing is that that sentence could be made to work in any of first, second, or third person — and still mean precisely the same thing.

Matt Эллен

asuuming the reader frolicks and thinks of tweeting frolicks

12:54 PM

I'm reading about this guy who went offline for a year and now describes his experiences.

theverge.com/2013/5/1/4279674/…

@MattЭллен You think?

Matt Эллен

I try

@tchrist Just like the morning and the evening star. It is a coincidence.

When you’re frolicking through a field somewhere, your gadgets stowed far away, the internet still impacts your thinking: Will I tweet about this when I get back?

When one is frolicking through a field somewhere, one’s gadgets stowed far away, the internet still impacts one’s thinking: Will I tweet about this when I get back?

When they’re frolicking through a field somewhere, their gadgets stowed far away, the internet still impacts their thinking: Will I tweet about this when I get back?

Don't forget I.

I shan’t.

When I’m frolicking through a field somewhere, my gadgets stowed far away, the internet still impacts my thinking: Will I tweet about this when I get back?

When we’re frolicking through a field somewhere, our gadgets stowed far away, the internet still impacts our thinking: Will I tweet about this when I get back?

I’d say that all five of those are saying the same thing.

Or close enough as to make no matter.

Just the tone is different.

1:00 PM

Like morning star and evening star.

But those aren’t the same at the same time of year.

@Jez You know what language it is? Does not sound like Norwegian to me.

Just as I and you aren't the same in any context.

Frolicking always sounds vaguely naughty to me, the sort of thing that Herr Mozart might try to sneak into a canon.

Funny that you don’t cut capers in the field nor frolic in the street, but only the other way around.

@tchrist That's because you can't be frolicking without licking.

1:05 PM

@MετάEd Sagte die frau.

Frolic sounds like snacks to my dogs

This is an ideal question imo (no research effort)

@JohanLarsson I think Bringhurst discusses the difference between the Anglophone point versus the European one. Also, there is a bit of fuzziness when people are discussing digital cameras rather than digital images.

Matt Эллен

maybe graphic designers are lazy? Admittedly SO started out to answer every programmer question, regardless the triviality of it. Then they realised that answerers got a bit annoyed when askers didn't put effort in

And not just because of Bayer interpolation: not all pixels need be the same shape.

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The Nikon D1X model had rectangular pixels.

> The D1X's pixel grid layout is rectangular rather than square (though still uses the Bayer GRGB colour filter array), in camera processing turns the 4028 x 1324 raw pixels (5.33 megapixel) into a 3008 x 1960 pixel image (5.9 megapixel).

> While it's clear that some interpolation is being carried out in the vertical direction (to get from 1324 rows to 1960 rows) there is also compression in the horizontal direction (reducing from 4028 to 3008 columns), this compression is used to add detail to the vertical data.

It’s the only camera they ever did it that way with.

I don’t think it worked out as well as they wanted. Plus it was a high-cost custom sensor.

@tchrist ty for sharing, you know a lot man!

1:19 PM

@JohanLarsson It’s all an illusion.

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A: More formal way of saying: "Sorry to bug you again about this, but ..."

yes i was it bother of this and i could taken it have not but the problem is was you thou this would conclude not me therefore it fault was yours, you are a mama tranca estupida puta perra i am english-hispanic mother fucker that will kill you sucka

His rhyming leaves something to be desired.

And I used the wrong flag, darn it.

Was this comment actually in any regard a helpful one?

Before asking any question check previous posts. Any questions? — Kris 3 hours ago

Since when aren’t gerunds nouns?

1. Receiving is a gerund not a noun. 2. The question is open-ended and subjective. — Kris 3 hours ago

His non-native speakerdom is showing:

"5.38 by 2.75 by 0.31 inch." or "5.38 inch by 2.75 inch by 0.31 inch." are both acceptable, too. — Kris 7 hours ago

He doesn’t know how to use measuring units.

Matt Эллен

yeah

I often wonder if his native language isn't English and he thinks he knows better than he does

Looks like the answer must be yes to both.

Matt Эллен

:D

1:41 PM

In the Hall of the Mountain King

"In the Hall of the Mountain King" () is a piece of orchestral music composed by Edvard Grieg for the sixth scene of act 2 in Henrik Ibsen's 1876 play Peer Gynt. It was originally part of Opus 23, but was later extracted as the final piece of Peer Gynt, Suite No. 1, Op. 46. Although (or perhaps because) a performance of the full piece runs to slightly less than 3 minutes, its easily recognizable theme has helped it attain iconic status in popular culture, where it has been arranged by many artists. The piece is played as the title character Peer Gynt, in a dream-like fantasy, enters "the...

looks to be Norwegian

Guess how much profit is made on extra memory in the Iphone 5, if you go from 16 GB to 32 GB.

Expressed as a percentage of the original cost of the memory modules.

Matt Эллен

500%

@MattЭллен Close, except that it is more than double that; based on the cheapest Dutch webshop, it is: 1375 % extra profit! Yay!

Matt Эллен

1. buy memory modules
2. ???
3. Profit!

2. Be Apple.

Although other companies still make crazy profits on extra memory too.

1:46 PM

@Jez yeah, was just nonsensical enough for me not to recognize

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4:00 PM

in Functional Programming on Stack Overflow Chat, Apr 28 at 22:03, by FredOverflow

If you search for "suicide" on SO, the most relevant result is tagged scala :)

4:11 PM

I have a new excuse for fucking off. Used to be "my code is compiling" did the trick, and still does. But now I can add this new one: "I am opening up the IntelliJ IDE. I will be fucking off for approximately 15 minutes."

it means IntelliJ is slow?

It's a pig.

pigs are pretty fast in short distances I think, at least boars

yeah, you want to stay away from angry pigs

hippos, too

actually, most of the stereotypically "fat" animals are pretty fast

Sperm whales?

4:18 PM

Most animals are faster than humans, fat or not.

They're pretty fat.

@Robusto But humans are faster in the long term.

Faster than most land animals.

Even horses, they say.

@Cerberus The long term doesn't count if you're being chased by a predator.

but humans were the predators for pretty much all of their evolutionary history

It does count if you're the predator.

Jinx.

Yes, that goes without saying.

4:20 PM

it's generally believed that earli humans were endurance hunters, following prey until they dropped of exhaustion

So you will eventually get that gazelle.

which is why we're really good long-distance runners

But fat lot of good that does you if you're being chased by a grizzly bear or a lion.

but mediocre sprinters

Exactly.

@Robusto You can use a spear.

4:21 PM

Tell you what. I'll give you the spear and you hold off the grizzly. Deal?

is there much evidence of bears or lions ever eating humans very often?

there are lots of easier things to eat

@Robusto Were I a caveman, I'm sure I could.

@JSBձոգչ How much evidence does there have to be?

@JSBձոգչ Not very often.

it's obviously possible, but i don't think that it exerted significant selective pressure

4:21 PM

List of fatal bear attacks in North America

Fatal bear attacks in North America have occurred in a variety of settings. There have been several in the bear's wilderness habitat involving hikers, hunters, and campers. Brown bear incidents have occurred in their native range spanning Alaska, Northern and Western Canada, and portions of the Rocky Mountains in the United States. The locations of black bear wilderness fatal attacks reflect their wider range; all Canadian Provinces except the Atlantic Provinces, and several major mountainous areas in the United States. Bears held captive by animal trainers, in zoos, carnivals, or ke...

lions don't eat apes very often, either

and bears basically never hunt humans

My BiL's in-law's best friends were eaten by bears.

@JSBձոգչ That's not what I hear. Black bears do.

Especially human children. Keep your kids away from black bears. Seriously.

@KitFox i can't tell whether or not you're joking. o_O

@JSBձոգչ I'm not. I think it was the Huffmans, listed on that page.

They were camping in a national park in Alaska.

4:29 PM

wow

They were seasoned campers too. They had their food tied up and away from the camp.

Still got eaten.

i'm sorry

Well, I didn't know them. They were three degrees from me.

Oh my gosh, that's terrible! Why would bears do that? I didn't think they attacked people unless threatened.

But still, three-degrees-from-bear-attack is closer than I thought I'd be.

4:31 PM

I was hitching through Canada and got stuck on a gravel road in Glacier National Park. A grizzly walked out of the woods about 50 yds. away, stood up on the road, and huffed a bit. Then walked on. I didn't know whether to shit or go blind.

@WendiKidd They get hungry or feel threatened.

@KitFox That's terrible :/ One more reason I will never ever go camping.

i love going camping

@JSBձոգչ I think polar bears is the only animal which considers humans food

So I looked it up and it was for sure the Huffmans.

4:32 PM

One word: bugs

Not to mention bears, now

this might be a good time to mention that my brother, who has two young kids, has had wolves come into his front yard

and he just had a third. so now he has three tasty wolf-snacks at home

My grandparents get mountain lions sometimes

"just had a third" = born this morning at around 8:00

Congrats!

They are best when fresh and gooey.

@WendiKidd mountain lions. now those will eat you given half a chance

4:34 PM

We have turkeys, skunks, and foxes.

And sometimes whatdoyoucallems. Not porcupines...

Not hedgehogs...

What are those things? Gah.

Like a groundhog.

Almost have it.

beavRSbeavers?

Woodchuck!

We had a woodchuck, which we trapped and moved to the regional dump.

After she had four adorable babies.

i i couldn't tell the difference between a groundhog and a woodchuck

I think they are the same thing.

i don't think i have ever seen either

4:37 PM

Except they are called woodchucks here.

@WendiKidd The bugs in the north are insane.

i have seen adorable river otters, though

I've seen otters play with macaques.

At the San Diego Zoo.

The groundhog (Marmota monax), also known as a woodchuck, whistle-pig, or in some areas as a land-beaver, is a rodent of the family Sciuridae, belonging to the group of large ground squirrels known as marmots. Other marmots, such as the yellow-bellied and hoary marmots, live in rocky and mountainous areas, but the woodchuck is a lowland creature. It is widely distributed in North America and common in the northeastern and central United States. Groundhogs are found as far north as Alaska, with their habitat extending southeast to Georgia. Description The groundhog is the largest sciurid...

She liked our apples, but she liked the garbage better.

More variety.

oh, so they look like big brown prairie dogs

ok, then

Supercute and superdestructive.

4:40 PM

i also get groundhogs confused with gophers

but wikipedia pics inform me that gophers look more like big moles

pointy faces and big teeth

And they tend to have large communities, I think.

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

Not much. They seem to prefer rhubarb and apples and lily shoots and daffodil bulbs.

Don't like hosta though.

in C# on Stack Overflow Chat, 22 hours ago, by zneak

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/sweden-left-party-toilet-stand_n_1590572.html

Well.

There is a reason men's rooms are waaaay stinkier than women's rooms.

4:43 PM

@JohanLarsson hahahahaha

clearly, this is an issue deserving of national attention and a total ban

On the other hand, one of the perks of having a penis is peeing wherever you want.

My eldest refuses to pee standing up unless he's watering the trees (to make them great biiiig ).

penis is a better design ime :D

He sits on the toilet. I'm a little perturbed by it, but I figure he'll outgrow it.

low maintenance

Harder to smuggle things in, though.

4:48 PM

both of my boys were lukewarm on peeing in the toilet, until they discovered that they could pee standing up

that got them interested

for a long time the little one was the only boy in his toddler class who would pee standing up

all of the other boys wanted to copy him

I wonder if that would get the little one interested. Problem is, his foreskin doesn't retract yet, and so he always pees rightwardly.

That just made me laugh.

close to TMI now

So my eldest got a school readiness report from his pre-K program yesterday.

He did great!

They said he was a fabulous student and they were confident he'd be successful in kindergarten next year.

Also, that he was a "kind friend."

</mommy brag>

@tchrist I'm considering another virtual shampooing of my nonexistent hair :D

@KitFox makes me very glad to hear for some reason, gratz!

I worry a lot, probably excessively, that I overestimate his abilities because I'm his mom and I think he's great.

But he's the only kid in his class that can read.

And do math.

Probably the only one who can play Portal too.

4:56 PM

I don't know much about kids so should probably not give advice but: make sure he knows you love him and not his achievements

Oh, always.

And praise on the effort, not the accomplishment.

To help develop his perseverance.

yeah that is what I was trying to remember ^ :D

He demonstrates a remarkable amount of problem-solving abilities for a five-year-old.

Some of that comes from trying to teach him strategy instead of the answers.

But I tell you, trying to teach that is hard.

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