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I think you (@KitFox and @Cerberus) though truthful, may be misleading about @Jez. He wants something, but it just turns out the women he's around just don't want that.

KitFox

3:55 PM

That's true. I don't mean to mislead. But he has some problem, either in the way he's finding women (poor matches) or the way he's pursuing them (poor interactions). It's been ongoing for years and it is causing him distress.

Hanu

Is there any way to save chats about this topic only?

KitFox

You can create a bookmark, or use a keyword that will make it easier for you to search later.

Hanu

OK

Mitch

@Hanu you can create a special case chat room, but that is not as likely to get people to talk about it. You probably want more people to chime in.

KitFox

Oh right. That too. Well, he can't create rooms yet.

But he could ask one of us to do it.

Mitch

4:02 PM

@KitFox but all this talk about therapy and stuff seems so ... extreme, when his problems seem to be like what everybody has.

KitFox

@Mitch Have you know Jez long?

Mitch

(until they don't)

@KitFox good point...I don't know anything other than a few things he's said in the past couple weeks.

and then very superficially.

KitFox

He's extremely unhappy with his situation and pretty self-defeating.

Mitch

but that doesn't seem totally out of the ordinary. lot's of guys (and girls too) are like that.

KitFox

He needs to find a fixer kind of girlfriend.

Mitch

4:05 PM

!!

Great idea for a TV show.

'The fixer'

Could also be called 'The Doormat' by another interpretation!

KitFox

I suggested a mail-order bride.

I think it is a great solution for him.

Also, hookers.

Mitch

Makes arranged marriages sound like a nice alternative (that problem with that is that it's your -parent's- doing the arranging...what a nightmare!)

@KitFox Yuck. ell..maybe it works for some people.

KitFox

Well, it's difficult for him to meet people because he's got social anxiety and he's a recluse.

Mitch

@KitFox hm.. that sounds like the arranged marriage without the parents. Win-win!

KitFox

He doesn't want to waste time on anything that isn't right.

Hanu

4:07 PM

How much reputation is need in order to create chat room?

Mitch

@KitFox like a transaction.

KitFox

@Hanu I can't remember and I can't seem to find it.

Not a lot.

Hanu

OK

Cerberus

@Mitch Misleading in which line exactly?

Jez

@KitFox isn't "right"?

Mitch

4:12 PM

@Hanu 100 I think...

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Q: "Newbie" doesn't have enough reputation to talk in chat

Possible Duplicate: SO Chat: Why is it that “Only members of Stack Overflow with at least 20 reputation may talk…”? I just tried the new feature to move a conversation to chat, and got the message indicated in the title. The whole reason the comment chain got so cha...

Hanu

I have another question. Can I discuss now?

KitFox

@Jez Maybe I'm mistaken. I thought you said you invested in relationships quickly.

@Hanu I'm going out for lunch, but these guys can maybe help.

Jez

@KitFox i don't understand what you mean by "isn't right" though.

Robusto

3

Q: What is the correct pronunciation of "Regex"?

The term Regular Expression is often shortened to Regex. What is the the correct pronunciation of the g in Regex. Is it g like in gallium or g like in giraffe? I've heard it said both ways.

pronunciation jargon computing portmanteau-words blend-words

Who the Eff cares?

Mitch

@Cerberus looking back at the conversation (it has taken me that long) I find that...

Cerberus

4:17 PM

Euh, dear.

I didn't mean to put you through that.

Mitch

@Hanu go for it. (but there's no guarantee that anyone will be interested or have the time (I may have to run))

@Cerberus well...I wouldn't do it if I wasn't actively trying to avoid other things!

yey for exclamation points!

Cerberus

Wise.

Mitch

Today's goal...make everything end with an exclamation point, and reasonably so... and.. and...I -know I can do it so go me!

anyway...

shit!

oh save!

Cerberus

Yes.

Mitch

@Cerberus anyway...rereading, I find that nothing anybody was saying was misleading, there's the unsaid conversation going on of cultural expectations, maybe that's what I found misleading and annoying...that one is required to do this stupid dance that Jez doesn't like because it is not successful for him in getting what he wants.

Robusto

4:26 PM

What is the correct pronunciation of "Go eff yourseff"? Is it like a J as in jam or a G as in Gargantuan?

Mitch

@Robusto "I care"

Cerberus

@Mitch I didn't read the entire conversation either.

Stupid dances are bad.

But I am not in favour of the the fully direct route.

Mitch

@Robusto imdb.com/title/tt0076759/quotes (for the I care reference, that the G or J thing)

KitFox

@Jez Because you invest quickly and then you're pissed when it isn't right and say it is all a waste of time.

Mitch

@Cerberus but that veers off in to the 'Liaisons dangereuse' territory.playing the game for sport.

Han Solo: It is for *me*, sister. Look, I ain't in this for your revolution, and I'm not in it for you, Princess. I expect to be well paid. *I'm* in it for the money.
Princess Leia: You needn't worry about your reward. If money is all that you love, then that's what you'll receive.
[to Luke]
Princess Leia: Your friend is quite the mercenary. I wonder if he really cares about anything. Or anybody.
[she stalks out]
Luke: [calling after her] I care.

Cerberus

4:33 PM

@Mitch Not exactly. The essential premise is that nobody likes being told "your nose is to big and your breasts too small; your intelligence is only mediocre; and your mother's furniture is ineffably hideous. Therefore I will pick the other girl I'm dating over you, who has noticeably bigger breasts." Vice versa, nobody likes being told that. Hence people do not want to be very open about how they feel about the other party while in the exploratory phase; greater openness comes later.

Mitch

@KitFox isn't there a scene in (the movie version of) "A Brave New World" where some woman is annoyed that the protagonist doesn't want to hook up with her because basically it's rude not to when someone says "let's hook up" because the culture in the future was 'every night a different partner'.

Cerberus

Of course the game shouldn't be any gamier than necessary.

Mitch

@Cerberus and also her mom is hot.

Cerberus

And leading someone on is a real no-no.

@Mitch Possibly.

No doubt you have more experience.

KitFox

@Mitch I think Jez has some deep issues and it's making him unhappy. If the problem is the culture, then he needs to adapt or find a new one.

Mitch

4:36 PM

@Cerberus but sometimes what is perceived as 'leading on' is really just politeness/courtesy, not wanting to say no to your face...oh...that -is- what you're saying.

@Cerberus Ha ha!

No.

Jez

@KitFox no, i'm pissed when they stop talking to me

not quite the same thing

KitFox

Did you go on more than one date?

Jez

no

KitFox

Then really you need to just get over it.

Mitch

@Jez could be that you have to keep asking over and over?

Cerberus

4:37 PM

@Mitch Yes, it's not always easy to navigate.

@Mitch No!

Cut your losses.

user19161

I decided to drop by and post an answer just now on the "default" question...

Robusto

This reminds me of one of my favorite cartoons. A guy is lying in bed attempting to masturbate, and his penis is saying, "Not tonight, dear, I have a headache."

Mitch

oops. I shouldn't give advice. stick to meta-advice. and exclamation points!

KitFox

@Robusto Hahaha

Johan Larsson

what is being discussed? Cliff notes?

Mitch

4:38 PM

@JasperLoy There's a default questions?

user19161

Also @kitfox you look very cute in that Christmas hat. But many of the people over on Math have put on a hat too!

user19161

@Mitch Yes, a few minutes ago.

KitFox

@JohanLarsson No. Jez's love life.

Cerberus

Hello.

Robusto

@KitFox Or lack thereof.

user19161

4:39 PM

Jez Believe.

Robusto

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Q: Correct way of saying I want a list of the names of each individual entity in a group?

I'm a programmer and in a program I'm currently creating, I want to get a list of all the accounts names that can access a database. I have no idea if I'm supposed to "get account names", to "get accounts name" or to "get accounts names". My best guess is that "get accounts names" is the correc...

grammatical-number

Is it possible to express how little I care about this?

Jez

@Robusto now that's a problem that I don't have. In that instance, the wife is CONSTANTLY begging me for sex.

Mitch

@JasperLoy hm..semantics is hard. different populations...technical terms...maybe default -does- work for 'normal' people.

Cerberus

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Q: Word for mammary intercourse in different countries

I'm not sure this question is appropriate for SE Linguistics, feel free to close it if you feel it does not belong here. Some years ago I noticed an interesting pattern in the vernacular word for mammary intercourse, in Mexico we call it a "Russian", Spaniards call it a "Cuban" and Italians call...

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user19161

@Robusto My reply would be "it must be tonight then, because such things are good for headaches, QED".

user19161

4:41 PM

@Mitch I use it all the time myself.

Mitch

@Robusto Yes. "I could care less" because it means there are turtles all the way down.

user19161

@Cerberus What's mammary intercourse?

Robusto

@JasperLoy You talk to your penis?

Cerberus

arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/12/…

> Jury finds iPhone infringes Nokia, Sony patents owned by “troll”

Funny.

Mitch

@JasperLoy that would be logical but that's not really what is meant by I have a head ache.

user19161

4:41 PM

@Robusto No, it talks to me.

Jez

@Cerberus old news. or new olds.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Well...it can only be one thing.

@Jez Not to me!

Robusto

@JasperLoy Glad we cleared that up.

Mitch

@Cerberus yeah that's a good one for urban dictionary's chat room.

KitFox

We don't call it a "French"!

Cerberus

4:43 PM

@Mitch Indeed.

Mitch

@KitFox that's what the picture says.

Robusto

@Cerberus You can have a gloat, but this is still bad news.

KitFox

"Frenching" just means making out with tongues.

user19161

I should change my blue square to a red square or green square for the festive season.

KitFox

@JasperLoy Or stripes maybe.

Mitch

4:45 PM

@JasperLoy candy cane colored

Cerberus

@Robusto Well, in what way? We already knew the system sucked, and this way perhaps people at Apple will realise how badly it sucks and perhaps revert to the Good Side.

Mitch

jinx

@Cerberus google is the one that's not 'evil'

Jez

aren't they too big?

Cerberus

Apple's support for the Good Side would add some extra weight to the scale.

MετάEd

@Jez Jesus.

Johan Larsson

4:46 PM

@Cerberus I predict Apple will die pretty quickly, starting now

Cerberus

@Mitch The less evil side, yes.

OrigamiRobot

Flags hooooooooooooooo

KitFox

@Jez No, you've got the wrong idea.

Cerberus

@JohanLarsson I predict it will die slowly, having started a year or so ago.

user19161

Hush hush, we've got flags.

MετάEd

4:47 PM

Silly flags.

Cerberus

I invalidated one flag.

KitFox

It's when the breasts are used to stimulate the penis.

MετάEd

s/t// ftfy

Mitch

@JohanLarsson yeah. weird. they were below the radar for so long, then hit a home run with the ipod idphone ipad and now it may turn back.

user19161

The worst thing I have said here is "This looks like my balls!"

Cerberus

4:48 PM

If Apple won't turn around, the more scandalous the lawsuits, the sooner more people will realise the system is bad.

Mitch

@JasperLoy flagged !

OrigamiRobot

I love feeling like a super hero when I swoop in to respond to a flag. And by respond, I mean coming in and saying something about flags.

Cerberus

@Mitch Market share v. Android has already been in decline for a while.

KitFox

Hi @Origami.

user19161

@Mitch Another one was "I am completely naked now!"

Cerberus

4:49 PM

@OrigamiRobot Hi!

Mitch

@OrigamiRobot yay superheroes. You mean talking about flags is a superpower?

Johan Larsson

@Mitch I think all the lawsuit nonsense has hurt them really bad, both in the eyes of the public and all the resources they have spent on it

Cerberus

@OrigamiRobot Have you validated or invalidated any flags?

@JohanLarsson Absolutely.

user19161

Well, I think it would be a good idea to cut down on the language though.

Cerberus

Before that, I just thought of them as silly and overpriced, like Louis Vuitton.

Mitch

4:50 PM

@JasperLoy You should be flagged in real life for that. Nakedness is not allowed.

user19161

We don't want to attract too much attention from aliens.

OrigamiRobot

@Cerberus I never respond to them in time because I join the room first. If I act on them first, the flag goes away and I get no super hero feelings.

Cerberus

Now I think of Apple mainly as a troll. Of course their attempts to make jailbreaking illegal didn't help.

KitFox

Well, that was ridiculous.

Cerberus

@OrigamiRobot Understood.

As in, I know what you mean.

KitFox

4:51 PM

We were discussing a slang term.

Cerberus

I invalidated you.

What happens when a flag is validated?

When does one get suspended?

Johan Larsson

who was flagged and for what?

Cerberus

For the tits thing.

Mitch

@Cerberus I don't know which is worse: talking about sex obliquely through tech talk like 'jailbreaking' or explicit talk.

user19161

It's OK if one feels it should be validated too.

OrigamiRobot

4:51 PM

@Cerberus I think it takes two validations?

Cerberus

Describing the linguistic and other details of mammary intercourse.

user19161

One gets at most a 30 min suspension from chat.

KitFox

@Jez was just asking me what I meant.

Mitch

I thought it just auto deletes the item?

Cerberus

@Mitch Umm well, what would you have me say, with all them chastity belts people wear these days?

OrigamiRobot

4:52 PM

@JasperLoy Longer for repeat offenses.

Robusto

@Cerberus All it does is affirm the misuse of patent law.

Jez

well, as was said earlier, i certainly haven't ever heard that referred to as a "French"

KitFox

And for the record, if anyone has issues with the words, you can speak up.

Cerberus

@OrigamiRobot Ah OK. But then why does the flag disappear for me when someone else invalidates it first?

user19161

The most shocking thing is that a mod on math has been suspended for a year, this is drama to me.

KitFox

4:53 PM

@Mitch And suspends the users from chat.

Johan Larsson

@JasperLoy anon?

Mitch

@Cerberus we could talk about the chastity belts? that's titillating enough. or pun enough to keep abreast of the conversation.

user19161

@JohanLarsson anon is not a moderator.

OrigamiRobot

@Cerberus I fear you have taken my response as an indication of knowledge. This is rarely ever the case.

Cerberus

@Robusto Yes, but affirmation is what some parties need to fully realise it. And I'd rather have it affirmed against Apple than against some company I would buy products from.

Mitch

4:53 PM

@KitFox oh. so you deleted your own post?

KitFox

@Mitch No.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Why was he suspended?

Johan Larsson

and who was it?

Cerberus

@KitFox Just as I thought. So...does this happen after a single validation?

@OrigamiRobot Haha noted.

KitFox

@Cerberus I don't know.

user19161

4:54 PM

@Cerberus Well, the details are not exactly known, but there was some conflict with the other mods.

KitFox

@Cerberus Jez's comment was flagged twice.

Cerberus

@Mitch Ehm yes, let's keep abreast of things.

Robusto

@Cerberus You think that will stop the trolls? It won't. And now that it's been affirmed again in court, future actions against such laws will be moot, because of in stare decisis.

Cerberus

@KitFox Hmm so several flags are needed perhaps?

@JasperLoy Hmm odd.

KitFox

@Cerberus Or a mod. Or enough validation.

Cerberus

4:56 PM

@Robusto Stare in decisis? Instare decisis?

OrigamiRobot

@Cerberus I could look it up on MSO, but I expended my entire effort reserve joining this room to fuss at people about flags.

user19161

@Cerberus Well, it's a year because he was suspended before too for other things, so the period increases. Nonetheless he is a great contributor.

KitFox

@OrigamiRobot We should have @Gnome here.

Cerberus

@KitFox OK...so can several people validate the same flag? So it only disappears when it is invalidated?

KitFox

It would be a party.

user19161

4:56 PM

There are now almost no flags from the math room after having many flags last month.

Robusto

@Cerberus OK, stare decisis.

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Cerberus

@OrigamiRobot You are excused.

Robusto

Just call it precedent.

KitFox

@Cerberus Just go look it up. I don't really know for sure.

OrigamiRobot

@KitFox Do not speaketh of him, lest he appear.

user19161

4:57 PM

Is there an @kde?

KitFox

@OrigamiRobot I like Gnome. You guys give him way too hard a time.

Johan Larsson

I think people dislike puns because they are never funny

Cerberus

@Robusto Ah, that makes more sense. Yes, in the short term, it is bad; but eventually we need this to escalate even further, not remain at the same semi-bearable level.

user19161

Is there anyone here with Windows 8?

Cerberus

@KitFox No never mind, I thought in case you knew.

OrigamiRobot

4:58 PM

@KitFox My portion is all in jest. He just doesn't always realize it and I am too mean to spell it out for him.

That said, he often repeats the same mistakes.

KitFox

Well, youth and all.

OrigamiRobot

You silly humans and your aging.