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Cerb as Zwart Piet

Ohh that's what he meant.

But St Nicholas is over!

1:32 PM

so last last century

It was on the 5th.

Last week, rather.

I should go

So you would dress up as Zwarte Piet up to and including the 5th of December, but not after.

Bye!

I was going to do something but I've forgotten what it was.

My seasonal greeting to you is: UCK. Translated from the French "No L" ...

1:33 PM

Just as Santaclaus would be out of place on December 28th.

No luck with what?

...

Nöel => No L

Geez, dogs can be dense ~~sometimes~~ most of the time.

You can't expect him to understand fancy New Yorker spellings.

Nöone else seems to have a problem.

I would exhort them to "man up": In order for Obama to win, womene are going to have to man up and get the job done. — Robusto 10 mins ago

Fuck keyboards.

@Reg, can you steal an e from my womene? Preferably the last one.

@Robusto ftfy

Danke.

1:37 PM

Bitte.

I can't get this hat right.

It looks like a red dot.

We can dense if we want to, we can leave your friends behind.
Cause your friends aren't dense, and if they aren't dense — well, they're no friends of mine.

Safety dense?

@KitFox brought to you by THE MEN WITHOUT HATS.

1:39 PM

@KitFox back in the days you were dating, would you, under any circumstances, have stopped talking to a guy without giving any explanation?

@Jez Otherwise known as "real life" ...

@Jez Yep.

@KitFox under what circumstances and why?

I would, under many circumstances, not even start talking to a guy without giving any explanation.

@KitFox not sure how you want to pull it off anyway. There's not enough room in that picture for a hat.

Well, if I thought the guy wasn't going to listen to me anyway because he was so wrapped up in himself that he couldn't think about what I had to say.

@RegDwighт I'm getting it. Just wait.

1:42 PM

@KitFox well that's a pretty bitchy attitude.

Exactly my point.

what do you mean?

Hmm, I just got the word from MSO that they've awarded me the Yearling badge — even though I've been on the site, by their own admission, for "2 years, 9 months."

Must've got lost in the mail.

Either that or their shit is all retarded.

@Jez Well, there's not much point in having a conversation about it if the guy is just focused on how it's my fault and I'm a bitch. Nothing I say will matter in that case and it's not worth the breath to even try to speak.

@Robusto you need 200 reps to get the badge.

1:44 PM

@RegDwighт OES.

Just sitting on your hands for a year doesn't count.

But it keeps my hands warm.

@Robusto Oregon Episcopal School?

@RegDwighт Rhymes with OH NOES.

@KitFox you're making an unfair assumption about the guy in my opinion. you (plural) should give more of a shit about others' feelings and at least give them a fucking explanation.

1:44 PM

@Robusto Ontario Electronic Stewardship!

Oh Eat Shit!

Okay, I'll bite. How the eff is the Bureau of Oceans and International Environmental and Scientific Affairs an OES?

Oh - h + plural ES.

And now I got tweened yet again at the most inappropriate moment.

I didn't mean to bite in shit.

@Jez Mebbe. I doubt it. The particular guy I'm thinking of, he wouldn't have listened. I stopped giving a shit about his feelings when he made it apparent he didn't give a shit about mine.

1:46 PM

And still don't.

@KitFox how did he make it apparent?

@RegDwighт One man's inappropriate is another man's Schadenfreude.

Gotta run!

Gotta dense!

@Jez It's a long story and one I'm not really interested in sharing.

1:46 PM

Weihnachtsfeier and -essen.

CU late at night at the earliest.

But the hat!

@KitFox meh. you're basically the social equivalent of Mitt Romney telling poor people they can go fuck themselves if they want the privileges he had.

horrible attitude.

@Jez You overestimate my influence.

@coleopterist: It basically means the one refuses to accept responsibility for their mistake. I think it refers to a kind of game where two players are playing against each other, like football and the person always passes the ball back to someone else instead of trying to score a goal. Hope it's clear now. — Gigili 46 mins ago

1:50 PM

@KitFox i'm talking about attitude, not influence

@Reg It's the best I could do.

@Gigili: augh! I'm so confused! who is on which team and who is being told about passing the ball to the opponent?

@Jez No. You're wrong. You didn't know this guy, you don't know the story.

►

If you want me to talk to you about your specific situation, I might be helpful. You asked me about my specific situation, which may or may not apply to you.

@Robusto Nice!

dances

trips over desk

1:52 PM

@KitFox yeah because i don't see any way to get the faintest clue of why women behave the way they do other than to just ask ones about their situation

@KitFox Best musical ever. Hear that, *Les Misérables?"

given that i literally never receive an explanation from any woman

And yet you criticize my explanation rather than trying to understand my point of view.

I bet you're one of those guys who bitches that "women are only attracted to assholes."

Women aren't required by law to conduct exit interviews.

i bet you're one of those women who bitches that "guys are too self-absorbed"

1:54 PM

No, I mostly like men.

@Robusto they would be under my regime

our law prohibits physical assault, but emotional assault is perfectly legal and frankly can hurt as much sometimes

seems like a bit of a loophole

Besides, I don't think you are self-absorbed, I think you have the wrong mindset.

Here's the conundrum: someone who was too self-absorbed would probably not detect signals foretelling relationship termination.

Tru dat.

@KitFox I know! I try to be nice and then they treat me like a friend.

1:56 PM

signals. fucking hell, we have language. why can't signals be sent that way??

why bullshit about with this cloak and dagger stuff?

@Robusto Eff yeah they do. It's in the effing contract.

Fuck eff. And isn't Effing a town in England?

Thing is, @Jez, there's a reason. You just don't want to hear it. You're making that very obvious.

@KitFox how is that?

All I hear is myself talking. It's fascinating the crazy opinions that I hear from 'you guys'.

1:57 PM

You want it to be her fault. You want her to be wrong. You don't care what the reason is, because it hurts to be rejected so it must be her fault.

Then you don't have to believe that there's anything wrong with you.

@KitFox no. i'd be happy to hear what I did wrong.

@Robusto There's Effingham in Illinois. Effing fucking Effingham.

why don't you think that?

@Mitch Effingham ... isn't that where they're always effing hams?

@Jez You might believe that you believe that, but you don't act that.

1:59 PM

May as well ask a fish why it didn't bite.

@Robusto remind self to not eat ham

@KitFox well you're just wrong. i'm always asking myself what I could have done wrong.

that's why i'm so frustrated that they don't communicate with me.

@Robusto are we still talking about ham?

@Mitch Not in the sense they mean it in Illinois.

@Jez If all women don't communicate with you, then you must be doing something pretty significantly wrong.

2:00 PM

@Robusto whew. wait we're really talking about sex then?

@KitFox yep. and apparently even you can't figure out what.

@Mitch Or the lack thereof, apparently.

@Jez Well, you seem very sensitive to any sort of suggestion of criticism.

You seem like the type that would badger a woman to death.

@KitFox Nobody likes to hear 'no'.

@KitFox badger them? heh

2:02 PM

From As Good As It Gets:
Receptionist: How do you write women so well?
Melvin Udall: I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.

that's great. isn't is always women saying men aren't communicative enough? now here they are saying that too much talking is badgering

See?

and by too much, you presumably mean 10 messages a day? a phone call a day?

It is quite normal for people on a dating site to stop replying when they are somehow no longer interested.

@Jez There's the confidence approach. Just acting confident (whatever the reality) is attractive. and of course confidence in others can seem like arrogrance or assholishness.

2:03 PM

And it is even quite common outside dating sites.

M****er F****r... 'assholishness' is not a word?

If nothing has happened yet.

@Mitch Sure it is.

Opinions are divided whether this is better, or tell the girl/guy "sorry, it ain't happening", or "sorry, I'm busy".

@Cerberus yeah, it's sorta a market atmosphere, so lots of change based on insubstantial whim.

2:04 PM

Explanations why are too much to ask at this level.

@Cerberus yeah. i think it isn't, everyone else thinks it is.

If stuff has happened, things get more complicated.

@Jez It's not the quantity that matters. It's what you say that matters.

@Cerberus yeah, exactly. the explanation is at most... "shiny new thing over here"

@Mitch Yes, well, not necessarily whim. You start with zero knowledge about someone, and you fantastise. When reality catches up with you, you might change your mind.

2:05 PM

@KitFox look, i am pretty sure i don't come over as a totally self-obsessed prick. if saying something that isn't quite perfect every now and then is enough to get you dumped, i'm utterly amazed there are any human relationships anywhere.

meeting!!

The most annoying two hours of my life was breaking up with a guy I wasn't even dating who alternately cried and berated me for not giving him a chance because he was such a great guy.

@Mitch Well, I don't want an explanation from someone I don't know well yet. Needlessly hurtful.

@KitFox well i couldn't have done that, could i? she wasn't physically with me when she stopped talking to me.

@KitFox Cried? Oh, my. You heart-breaker! Had he been in love with you for a year?

2:06 PM

@Cerberus We had one blind date three days prior.

@KitFox And how long had you been...communicating?

@Jez This was on the phone. I debated for a long time whether or not I should just hang up.

Probably not long?

It sounds extremely silly.

@Cerberus Since three days prior.

@KitFox Oh boy. That guy needs...an examination at least?

2:08 PM

Probably.

I mean, if he had been your colleague and he was totally head over heels...

The funniest part was that he spent our date talking about how he was so in love with this woman he'd dated three years ago for six months who dumped him.

Uhh...

Stalker alert!

To go back with her babydaddy.

Why on earth bring that up?

2:09 PM

shrugs

I mean, mention it very briefly, perhaps.

He was pretty hung up on her.

Me too apparently.

Talking about an ex during a first date for more than a minute or two creates the wrong atmosphere.

i mean you're supposed to sort of not care how a relationship goes until it gets to a certain point

then it's not so difficult if it doesn't happen

Yeah.

2:11 PM

that's much easier said than done

Anyway @Jez, you seem to have some real long-term issues here. Maybe rather than trying to get these women to give you explanations, you should talk to a professional and see if you have some patterns of behavior that are really pathological that might be correctable.

But that's how it works.

and it sounds rather absurd

What she says.

I mean, this ^^^.

ugh

she finally responded

wants to meet up but "logistically it's not great". i guess that explains her standing me up twice.

2:15 PM

I have a friend who finally saw a therapist about the problems he was having. It really helped him. He was investing in relationships way too fast, partly because he'd been really emotionally abused as a child and was in need of love and acceptance.

same woman who said she "couldn't wait to see me again"

women really bullshit you.

@KitFox well you just diagnosed my problem. guess i dont need an expensive therapist to do it.

Not always and not all women.

thing is, "investing in relationships" happens automatically, you don't really choose to

you just find that you feel a certain way

what do you think. a woman that lives an hour's drive away. if she was seriously interested in a relationship, would logistics really be much of a problem?

i think little of an hour's drive

some people think that's a lot

but mostly i agree with you

don't know whether to try and be sympathetic and not sound too self-absorbed or tell her to take a damn train and seem confident and potentially attractive in that sense

but either way I guess Kit would think I'm doing something wrong

2:26 PM

maybe don't say "take a damn train"

have you considered that you are the one who should take a damn train?

i mean, if you like a woman, show some initiative

i've already shown willing when i travelled over there for the first date.

did you invite her to your town for the next date?

yes

well, hmm. that's not unreasonable.

however, it may be useful to be willing to travel there for the first several dates

insisting that things be completely equitable from the start is probably counterproductive

Even so, she's probably just not that interested, sorry.

Q: Usage differences between "glum", "grumpy", "sulky", "glower", and "morose"

2:29 PM

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I learned from my English book these are synonyms. However I am curious to know what the specific usage of each word is. How much interchangeable are they with each other? Consider the sentence below. Raghu has been reprimanded by the principal for his low scores in term exams. His face is _...

yeah @Cerberus i tend to agree. she just seems to be messing me around, promising to come twice and coming up with bad excuses not to.

@Jez Unless she cancels but immediately tries to set a new date.

hanu, sweetie, we can't just explain the differences between all of the english synonyms for you

@Cerberus humorously, she said on the phone that she joked with her mum that she'd end up like the crazy old cat lady, alone, no children

@RegDwighт @simchona @KitFox it seems to me that Hanu is becoming a problem user. what are our options here?

2:30 PM

Maybe she he rheumatic joints that can't deal with the cold...who knows?

if she can't lift a finger to get into a relationship, i think she's right

@Jez Oh, that's sort of funny.

But did she try to set a new date immediately after cancelling?

no. i suggested it.

Maybe leave it to her next time.

Then you have some way of telling whether she's really interested.

I mean, if someone cancels, the responsibility clearly lies with her to find an alternative date.

@Cerberus what next time?

2:33 PM

With the next girl.

well it's not exactly prevented me from telling whether this one is interested

Okay.

at least she said something

Indeed.

gives you more closure

could be a lie of course, she could've just been screwing around with someone else.

keep thinking back to that Red Dwarf X ep where Cat is reminding Lister not to think of his ex having sex with another guy when she was "working at the bank over the weekend"

i love those Cat scenes where he keeps unintentionally rubbing it in

2:47 PM

@JSBձոգչ I invited Hanu to come to chat with these kinds of questions.

A: Are there any insulting vegetable names?

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Calling someone bananas means that they're crazy. Also (although it's not aimed at a human), a car which is of bad quality is often called a lemon.

WOW this baby must have hit the supercollider

best 27 words I wrote on stackexchange

Hi All

Greetings of the day

hi kit

Hi kit

heh

2:51 PM

Hi @Hanu.

@KitFox: I am just going through Chat transcription

@KitFox: I am really sorry if I caused any inconvenience to you

@Hanu Who me? No inconvenience.

Next time onwards I will directly come to chat room and take you guys suggestions

I think we can better answer here, because you have a lot of comparisons you are asking about.

Yes

Can we discuss now?

2:54 PM

Sure.

Q: Usage differences between Smile vs laugh vs Sneer vs chuckle vs giggle vs titter vs grin vs beam vs smirk vs simper vs snicker vs Singger?

Regarding my latest question?

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I learned from dictionary the below sentences are Synonyms or related words. I would like to know context specific usage of each word. Below are the dictionary meanings I have found Smile = form one's features into a pleased, kind, or amused expression, typically with the corners of the mouth...

word-usage

beams

Let me start comparing one by one

What is the usage difference smile vs sneer

When I can say a person is sneering instead of smiling?

Sneering is mean, smiling is friendly.

Facial expressions: smile, sneer, grin, beam, smirk.

Vocalizations: laugh, chuckle, giggle, titter, simper, snicker, snigger.