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MετάEd

4:23 AM

There was also B e D with a zero over it, but that would be taboo now. — Barrie England 9 hours ago

I give up.

cornbread ninja

5:14 AM

@MετάEd ?

@Mitch shirt.woot.com/offers/watch-your-step

tchrist

3:07 PM

@MετάEd What, you mean you give up figuring out what that is alluding to?

Gigili

7:15 PM

@Mitch: At your service! What needs clarification?

tchrist

7:42 PM

The supervised question has been supercollided.

sighs

Mitch

9:56 PM

@Gigili re your question

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Q: Does the idiom "stop shooting the ball to my opponent" make sense?

Getting into a fight with someone, I think the other person is accusing me of being the wrong one and is trying to show that everything that has happened is my fault. Stop shooting the ball to my opponent is what I would say because it is what I would translate the idiom in my native language int...

the idiom says one thing but it sounds like the explanation is saying another thing. Is the situation of the idiom that you're both on the same team but who you're directing the statement to seems to be unwittingly aiding the other team?

Saebekassebil

Hey guys! Quick question: Has "nouns used as verbs" a technical term? Like "butter your toast" or "spice the stew"?

Seems they're often identical in the imperative mood?

Johan Larsson

10:19 PM

what is 'voting irregularities'? I saw a user that was suspended for that

user19161

10:45 PM

@JohanLarsson Either he viciously downvoted another person many times or upvoted himself many times using another account.

user19161

@tchrist I got a downvote for my supervisee, sigh. It's OK if it's anyone of you here.

Johan Larsson

@JasperLoy ok ty

tchrist

11:02 PM

@JasperLoy On the collider.

@JohanLarsson I do think there may be more kinds of “voting fouls” than just those two alone.

Johan Larsson

@tchrist care to elaborate on why puns are not evil :)

tchrist

I said fouls, not fowls.

Johan Larsson

googling fowl

tchrist

Birds of a feather, cluck together.

Why go ’way?

Johan Larsson

thought it cluttered the chat, can put it back on request of course

I don't love when they post lots of pics in other chats, makes t scroll too fast

Mitch

11:09 PM

@JohanLarsson sometimes they do it here. what pics do they show there?

Here, cats.

Or the geography quiz.

Or ... well... whatever suits at the time.

Johan Larsson

There can be floods of memes at times, while amusing it makes a discussion harder

tchrist

The only pickies I don’t like are the ones that move.

Mitch

no lack of memes here.

tchrist

Generally speaking.

Johan Larsson

They even have a chat-bot that googles pics

Mitch

11:11 PM

@tchrist Talkies or silent?

tchrist

They do?

Where?

@Mitch, have you ever heard of “GIGO”?

Mitch

No.

Johan Larsson

C# I think 50% of the chatters runs their own bot

tchrist

Pity.

Mitch

I've heard of Gigi.

Johan Larsson

11:12 PM

don't think all have the pic feature

tchrist

This is very confusing. Why would people run bots, and why would it be allowed?

Mitch

'upload...' is the pic button. why would it be a config choice?

tchrist

And why would some rooms forbid pickies?

What he said.

Mitch

@JohanLarsson check out the ELU chat room Penthousing. All pics all the time.

tchrist

No, that’s Playboy. People only read it for the pix.

Johan Larsson

11:14 PM

the bots are actually, they google stuff and urban dictionary stuff. How is urban verbed?

Mitch

@Saebekassebil I think the technical term for that would be 'verbal noun'.

tchrist

I want a browser that lets me search on the page using a search that is a regex.

Today I urbun, yesterday I urban, I have always urbun.

Johan Larsson

@tchrist I feel there should be extensions that does that, FF or Chrome

Mitch

@Saebekassebil It only turns out that the imperative is lacking markers which would make it identical to the noun. 'I just buttered my toast and am now spicing up my hot chocolate'

Johan Larsson

@Mitch I don't dislike pics but they make discussion harder if they are in abundance

Mitch

11:16 PM

@tchrist two points: can you do that on *nix command line? if they don't do it, then unlikely anyone else would (*nix uses emacs ctrl chars for navigation/editing).

tchrist

I don’t understand.

Mitch

pt 2: I want to be able to search text using ...

Johan Larsson

regex search for chrome have not tried it

Mitch

using phonological features. (words ending in voiced velars eg)

tchrist

I want to hit ⌘F and then enter a regex.

Mitch

11:18 PM

@tchrist you basically want the query-regexp emacs function

right.

tchrist

Or even better, just slash.

Mitch

Eclipse allows that.

tchrist

Éclipse n’est pas un web browser.

Mitch

Try Johan's link. that might do it. is it a plugin?

Johan Larsson

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Q: regex search on google-chrome or firefox browsers?

How can I search for expressions like 'foo|bar' on webpages using browsers like google-chrome or firefox?

firefox regex multiple-browsers

Mitch

11:19 PM

@tchrist nor a pipe, but I'm just providing examples of software that -have- provided it since I don't think FF/Chrome provide it natively.

I tried both these and neither worked. — Jason Oct 3 at 17:07

Johan Larsson

What are you going to search for? I never felt the need but probably will soon now that it was brought up

@Mitch yeah, I saw that, I just googled. Have not tried neither.

tchrist

I’m looking through pages that list abbreviations, and I want to find [CG][EIY].

Mitch

@JohanLarsson well... foo|bar I've never done in a regex-able editor anyway. it's all [2-5][0-9]+

tchrist

I so far have GIGO and DUCET.

Where by “abbreviation”, I am being loose.

Johan Larsson

@tchrist link?

tchrist

11:24 PM

Oh, like here for example:

List of acronyms and initialisms: A

(Main list of acronyms and initialisms) __NOTOC__ * a – (s) Atto- * A – (s) Ampere A0–9 * A1C – Airman Firjhjst Class * A2ATD or A2ATD – (i) Anti-Armour Advanced Technology Demonstration * A2C2 or A2C2 – (i) Army Airspace Command and Control * A4 – many, including a European standard office paper size; see entry AA * aa – (s) Afar language (ISO 639-1 code) * aA – (s) Attoampere * AA ** (i) achieved availability ** Alcoholics Anonymous ** (s) Armed Forces Americas (postal symbol) ** Aruba (FIPS 10-4 territory code) ** (i) assembly area ** Automobile Association ** avenue of approach * ...

It is offends my sensibility that I have to type in six searches for each of 26 pages.

Johan Larsson

are you building a dictionary?

tchrist

No.

Johan Larsson

ABB have had a swastika in their logotype

tchrist

Looking for when you get a hard c or g with an e, i, or y following it when used for an abbreviation.

Johan Larsson

I saw it in an elevator, major dafuq

tchrist

11:29 PM

As in GIGO.

There is no Unicode for “swastika”. This is so that the French cannot outlaw it.

Johan Larsson

@tchrist I don't understand at all but you want to parse and list something?

tchrist

No.

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Q: What is the correct pronunciation of "Regex"?

Possible Duplicate: Pronunciation of letters “g” and “c” in blend words The term Regular Expression is often shortened to Regex. What is the the correct pronunciation of the g in Regex. Is it g like in gallium or g like in giraffe? I've heard it said both ways.

pronunciation jargon computing portmanteau-words blend-words

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Q: Pronunciation of letters "g" and "c" in blend words

According to this article: The Pronunciation of ‘C’ and ‘G’ generally (but not always) depends upon the letter following either 'C' or 'G'. If the following letter is ‘E’, ‘I’ or ‘Y’, the pronunciation is said to be “soft” (as in cell & large). If the following letter is anything el...

pronunciation blend-words

I’m looking for others.

Simple, really.

But yes, Gestapo is another.

If that was where you were going with your swastika.

Mitch

that doesn't count

tchrist

Why not?

Also, it’s the GIMP, not the JIMP.

Mitch

pronunciation borrowed from German

Johan Larsson

11:34 PM

@tchrist no that was just because I saw ABB listed in your link, random fact

Mitch

Also it's Giga byta, not Jiga byte

tchrist

That is not an abbreviation.

But yes, it’s gigs not jigs.

Mitch

how about Gif file not Jif file

(but there is some variation)

tchrist

@Mitch Why would the German pronunciation matter?

Anglophones have never let that stop them; witness Caesar.

We don’t use Kaiser there.

But we should.

Then again, the Spanish name César is of course a soft c, whatever that means.

Mitch

@tchrist ?? That's why we pronounce it as a velar stop instead of a palatal affricate, because they pronounce it as a velar stop in German.

Johan Larsson

11:39 PM

Do Germans even do soft? Japanese?

Mitch

no, I dont think so.

tchrist

It’s spelt as though it were a soft g, like in gem.

English always repronounces things without respelling them.

Mitch

right. the spelling -and- pronunciation are from German.

tchrist

I guess it is close to GUESS-TOP-OH! though.

Doesn’t matter.

Mitch

not always. first example.

tchrist

11:40 PM

Witness the abomination that is bruschetta.

Next to nobody says that right.

Mitch

there are no WWII movies with the Bruschetta coing to cut off your thumbs.

Johan Larsson

@tchrist hard right?

tchrist

@JohanLarsson Aye.

Italian uses an h after a c or a g if the next letter would make it soft.

So French/Spanish que is spelt che in Italian.

French and Spanish switch to qu instead of to ch.

For the same purpose.

Try ordering a maraschino cherry in your drink in an American bar without mispronouncing it.

Well, or even if you do. :)

Mitch

just ask for a cherry.

Johan Larsson

or beer

tchrist

11:44 PM

Cherries in beer?

Johan Larsson

plain

tchrist

Kirsch?

Johan Larsson

but there is cherry beer, lemme google it

Cerberus

Yo yo!

Johan Larsson

@tchrist yep

Cerberus

11:44 PM

Must you talk alcohol?

I don't want any more.

tchrist

Hic!

Mitch

@JohanLarsson sure they do palatal affricate, just 'ge' is always velar stop. I think any palatal affricate is from a loan word.

tchrist

down.

Cerberus

Sed quid hic?

tchrist

The one that goes up.

Mitch

11:45 PM

If it goes down you're doing it wrong.

Cerberus

Like a hiccough?

tchrist

You’re doing it wrong.

Cerberus

It is called hik in Dutch.

tchrist

@Mitch has choice going-down directions to relate.

Johan Larsson

@Mitch 30% words I do not understand in that, gonna take a while :)

Cerberus

11:46 PM

You're confusing!

tchrist

Whom?

Cerberus

You are not an object.

Mitch

@JohanLarsson translation they always do hard g instead of soft g excpet maybe in loan words.

tchrist

If I’m confusing him, him’s an object.

Cerberus

As much as your fantasies crave this.

tchrist

11:47 PM

Hence: whom.

Cerberus

No, no.

You are confusing in general.

tchrist

I’m not the one talking dirty here, Mitch is.

Cerberus

And you is the lot of you.

Johan Larsson

@Mitch ok, ty I don't have a clue but what they do does not sound very soft

tchrist

We are three.

That isn’t a lot.

Cerberus

11:48 PM

Quite a lot.

I usually only have two other heads to talk to.

tchrist

Only in the mirror.

Cerberus

No.

To left and right.

tchrist

If you see three heads when you look in the mirror, it is time to put down the bottle.

Cerberus

In any case, I have just come home from a wedding party.

tchrist

Hm.

Wedding reception?

Cerberus

11:50 PM

Which was slightly boring.

Not a reception.

Those are in the afternoon.

tchrist

I thought a reception was what you already called the party that came right after the wedding.

You don’t call it a party. I think. Maybe if it is separate in time.

Cerberus

The ceremony is usually in the afternoon, and the reception follows, yes.

tchrist

And there is a party separate from the reception?

Cerberus

Of course!

tchrist

Where does the cake get cut?

Cerberus

11:52 PM

Cake?

tchrist

The wedding cake.

Cerberus

Oh, that tacky tradition.

We don't have that.

tchrist

FFS don’t tell me you don’t get birthday cakes or anniversary cakes either!!

Cerberus

Sure we do.

Well, not anniversary cakes.

I don't know what those are.

tchrist

You don’t know what an anniversary is?

Cerberus

11:53 PM

The anniversary of what? A wedding?

tchrist

Usually.

Cerberus

Then no.

Mitch

@Cerberus How dare you. Cake is life itself.

Cerberus

Meh.

tchrist

For example, on a 50th anniversary, there is a big reception with a big cake.

Cerberus

11:54 PM

Odd.

My parents' 30th anniverary was in 2009.

No cake.

tchrist

It is usually the occasion for a family reunion.

Was there a party?

Cerberus

Yes.

tchrist

You cannot have a party without a cake.

Cerberus

60 guests, in the country house.

tchrist

Think of the invitations!

Cerberus

11:55 PM

No cake.

I made the invitations.

tchrist

Unjoyful.

And was there not a picture of a cake on those invitations?

Cerberus

No.

There was never any cake.

tchrist

Then how would they know that it was for their 30th anniversary if they can’t count the candles?

Cerberus

In Europe, we have these modern inventions called "calendars".

Too difficult to explain.

tchrist

Cerberus

11:57 PM

We have cakes at birthdays.

tchrist

Cerberus

We had a silver bread basket engraved.

For our parents' 30th anniversary.

And we arranged things on the big day.

tchrist

Cerberus

Thankfuly we didn't have to serve the food.

We did do a little act.

tchrist

Cerberus

11:59 PM

Americans...all about quantity!

tchrist

Cerberus

More = better?

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