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Gigili

12:00 AM

@KitFox Are you talking about my translation?

Split-well analysis?

KitFox

Yes. Randomly.

aedia λ

Yeah she's still trying to figure out why it's got the splits.

KitFox

That would actually make some sense.

Cerberus

@WillHunting Blanket requests don't count!

@Gigili Why! HTC is fine.

@aediaλ Hi! What's with the splits?

aedia λ

It started with gigili's text having "to shorten plits"

David Wallace

12:06 AM

I don't think I would write "crossed line" or "intersection line". Gigili, can you post the plot, so we can see how it looks, and choose an appropriate name for whatever line you're talking about?

user19161

@DavidWallace That's what I said an hour ago. :-)

Cerberus

Ohhh so technical thingie...

Vitaly

@KitFox agreed, but i'd expect a bar chart then, and i can't really imagine any lines that intersect anything and still make sense in such charts

Gigili

@DavidWallace I don't have it to post, I'm asked to translate a paragraph to English which was what I posted, nothing else to add. =\

KitFox

No, not a bar chart. You could have one that showed quadrants.

At least not necessarily a bar chart.

aedia λ

12:09 AM

Hey what do you call a "thingie" in Dutch, @Cerb? Like if you wanted to say "that technical thingamajig" or something.

Vitaly

well, not necessarily, yes, but a bar chart would be by far the most common representation

Gigili

As it's about biochemistry, I suspect the diagram should be something complicated, like a plane goes through spherical surface as @Vitaly said.

David Wallace

@WillHunting Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

user19161

@Cerberus It's hot so I never use blankets!

David Wallace

Is it a line of little crosses perhaps?

user19161

12:11 AM

@DavidWallace cliche

David Wallace

@WillHunting and anyway, she clearly wasn't listening to you, as she did not, in fact, post the plot. Let's see whether she's listening to me!

KitFox

And you are clearly not listening to her, since she said she doesn't have it.

aedia λ

Brb buses and thingamajigs of the like

David Wallace

If a plane goes through a spherical surface, it's not a line. You can't use the word "line" to mean "circle".

user19161

There is no plot to post to begin with.

David Wallace

12:12 AM

@KitFox Touche!

user19161

@KitFox He could be joking. Clearly that deduction failed!

David Wallace

@KitFox Sorry, I missed the bit where Giggli said she'd lost the plot.

KitFox

31 mins ago, by Vitaly

29 mins ago, by Gigili

G2HS is used as an antigen to shorten plits which contain a complete virus and antigen of type 2 Herpes Simplex virus (HSV-2) and the results of this plot shows that antibodies existance is caused by HSV-2 infection and under the crossed line in this plot shows the number of plasma which are resistance to HSV-2 or didn’t have any communication with these viruses during their life

user19161

Since there is no plot, what is there to post? Since all is empty, what is there for dust to cling to?

Cerberus

@aediaλ Ding, dinges, dingetje...

KitFox

12:14 AM

I think plasma is supposed to be "cells" or "plasma cells" like was suggested.

David Wallace

May I correct "existence"?

Vitaly

@DavidWallace yeah i was going for an obvious example and decided that two intersecting planes wouldn't be obvious to someone without maths training and left the “intersection line” as it was :D

user19161

@DavidWallace I also did that an hour ago. :-)

Cerberus

Two intersecting planes? That should be clear enough for anyone...?

Vitaly

IDK. I remember people at university having troubles with that.

David Wallace

12:16 AM

@Cerberus unless they're aeroplanes

Gigili

@Vitaly If a plane goes through a surface, the intersection would be a circle as you said and I think we could say below "the intersection line" while talking about a 2D plot or something. But I might not make any sense to anyone.

Cerberus

@Vitaly Perhaps we're thinking of different things, because this is first-grade stuff...

@DavidWallace Oh I can picture that...

user19161

@DavidWallace Then that woud be disaster.

Vitaly

@Gigili but in a 2D plot there wouldn't be any lines of intersection in the first place, there would be intersection points

David Wallace

What if it's a bar chart with an axis drawn across the middle, and bars extending above and below it? The "crossed line" could just be the axis.

Gigili

12:17 AM

@Vitaly They could make a line

Vitaly

sigh

Cerberus

Hey, Youtube has thumbnails for the ehm lines that the thingie moves along when you play the video. When you hover over the line, you see thumbnails!

user19161

@Vitaly Unless both curves are the same line. :-)

KitFox

I was thinking of a graph like this.

David Wallace

OK, so there are two crossed lines. But if there were just one, it wouldn't be crossed.

They are "dashed lines" though.

KitFox

12:20 AM

crossing dashed lines.

David Wallace

Cool! I got an answer accepted that included a link to a wiki article that I wrote myself.

Gigili

I guess I shouldn't have accepted to translate that $#&@(#&!(&#@(*$#@ text without any diagrams.

user19161

@DavidWallace Where? Show!

KitFox

@Gigili Sorry. It's got to be tough.

Can you give us anymore of the methodology?

user19161

@Gigili You should tell them this text is total nuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David Wallace

12:22 AM

It's not nuts, it's just incomplete without the diagrams. What language are you translating it from?

Gigili

@KitFox How you mean?

KitFox

Are you just translating that paragraph?

Gigili

Yes, just that paragraph.

KitFox

Holy yuck.

user19161

Oh boy!

David Wallace

12:23 AM

Can I make a suggestion? Since you don't really know anything about this line that has been described as "crossed", other than that it's not the curve of the plot itself, you could just say "the other line".

Gigili

Under the other line?

KitFox

"under the crossing line"?

Gigili

Oh yes, that fits better than "the other line". I'd go for it.

KitFox

Probably close enough anyway.

Gigili

Uhum, thank you for your time.

KitFox

12:28 AM

I wish I could be more helpful.

user19161

@gigili It could even be literally under the line that was crossed in some way.

user19161

Like under the beautiful table.

KitFox

wants moar HP:MoR

@Vit I wants moar!

user19161

@KitFox Is this a Harry Potter game?

KitFox

No, book.

user19161

12:31 AM

I thought you were gaming?

aedia λ

@KitFox No spoilers though! I have been so so busy that I was good and didn't read it right away. But... I'm sure you can guess what my dinnertime entertainment is about to be.

KitFox

It's all Vitaly's fault.

aedia λ

No, you getting me addicted is your own fault.

user19161

Luckily I hate HP!

KitFox

My addiction is his fault.

So let's just blame him.

user19161

12:32 AM

It is not your fault

aedia λ

@KitFox Haha. I love your reasoning.

KitFox

And my seasoning?

David Wallace

@WillHunting I don't know why my fingers automatically typed "pedia" after "wiki". I didn't mean to say a wikipedia article.

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Vitaly

@KitFox Tough luck. You could try reading the Sequences instead!

Or alternatively, sneak into Eliezer's home and play with his laptop.

KitFox

The Sequences?

And I told EZ I wouldn't bother him anymore once we were done with the sexual relations.

Vitaly

12:35 AM

@KitFox wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Sequences

user19161

Very cryptic again!

Vitaly

@KitFox That's why I said “sneak,” duh.

aedia λ

@KitFox gnaws tentatively

KitFox

@Vitaly Hmm. I suppose there is that.

@aediaλ That tickles!

@Vitaly And are you suggesting that I need further education?

Vitaly

> The "sequences"[7] are several collated series of Yudkowsky's blog posts, and there are eighteen sequences in all. The indexes for just the four "core sequences"[8] are somewhere north of 10,000 words. Those link to over a hundred and fifty 2,000-3,000-word blog posts. That's about 300,000-450,000 words for those four, and around a million words for the lot.[9] With a few million more words of often-relevant comments. For comparison, the Lord Of The Rings trilogy is 473,000 words.

David Wallace

12:39 AM

Not a bijection.

user19161

@DavidWallace Sorry!

user19161

Deleted to avoid confusion!

Gigili

Huh, it was PLATE

David Wallace

@WillHunting I'll forgive you this time, since I'm like that :-)

KitFox

@Vitaly I might be convinced to take a poke at the abridged sequences for scientists.

@Gigili Oh. Plate.

Robusto

12:40 AM

@Reg: Told you we'd see Arkham Asylum again soon.

KitFox

So it probably was ELISA.

David Wallace

@Gigili, that sentence is far too long; or did someone say that already?

Vitaly

@KitFox HP:MoR is abridged sequences for non-scientists …

David Wallace

(Desperately tries to have an original thought).

user19161

@KitFox or platelets?

David Wallace

12:42 AM

Platelets probably makes more sense than plates.

KitFox

Antigens can be used to shorten the plating time for ELISA.

Platelets actually doesn't make much sense.

Gigili

Um, I don't know. Just got a response saying it's "plate" and "cut-off" (instead of "crossed line")

David Wallace

G2HS is used as an antigen to shorten plates which contain a complete virus and antigen of type 2 Herpes Simplex virus (HSV-2). This plot shows that antibodies' existence is caused by HSV-2 infection. Under the crossing line in this plot are the number of plasma which are resistance to HSV-2 or didn’t have any communication with these viruses during their life

Three sentences.

user19161

@Gigili What? That means the person knows how to translate it?

David Wallace

I'm off for a while. Need to take my son somewhere, as it's brilliantly sunny here.

user19161

12:46 AM

@DavidWallace Sounds good! But should be resistant to.

Gigili

@DavidWallace Thank you, have fun.

KitFox

I also feel like it should be "complete viral antigen."

Gigili

@WillHunting Seems he does know the two words at least.

user19161

@KitFox Ah so it really is one object.

aedia λ

G2HS is used as an antigen to shorten plates which contain a complete virus and antigen of type 2 Herpes Simplex virus (HSV-2). The results of this plot show that the antibodies' existence is caused by HSV-2 infection. Under the cut-off in this plot are the number of plasma cells which are resistant to HSV-2 or which were never exposed to these viruses during their life.

Here's a cleaned up version of what I gave you before, @Gigili, now that I'm on a real computer.

I don't know the science though so listen to whatever the foxy one tells ye.

KitFox

12:52 AM

Yes, I think that sounds plausible, @aedia.

Although it's still hard to say without knowing what they actually did.

Gigili

@aediaλ Great, thank you very much. This is definitely the best one.

Thank you again @KitFox.

user19161

Somehow the cleaned up version appeared only when I refreshed.

KitFox

Maybe it's not actually "shorten."

user19161

reduce?

KitFox

Maybe they used G2HS to visualize the antibodies against the viral antigens?

Vitaly

12:56 AM

Hey @Kit, check the review by one Beren on HP:MoR fanfiction page. Do you agree with the reviewer?

KitFox

Um, I don't have it bookmarked. Can you link?

Vitaly

@KitFox fanfiction.net/r/5782108

KitFox

I think the reviewer probably has some history that makes his or her interpretation of the story a little skewed.

But I'd have to re-read the scene to really say.

Anyway, I have to go. Later!

Vitaly

Hmm, thanks. So I may as well continue linking to the story after all. I've never paid much attention to that particular part and was wondering if it could put many readers off.

CU!

user19161

@KitFox Goodnight!

KitFox

12:59 AM

@Vitaly Remind me to talk with you about it later. I will give you my opinion.

aedia λ

@KitFox Bai!

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