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9:02 PM
@YoichiOishi - My name is medica. I am the one who was asking you the questions. Did you read my question, or would you like for me to repeat it, or do you just want more time?
 
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internet can be slow
 
Hello everyone!
 
I doubt they're restricted to dial-up in Japan...
 
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:))
 
@medica More than two pings would seem unnecessary, just saying.
 
9:05 PM
Have I done more since you informed me of that?
I'm very open to information about chat ettiquette.
 
I informed you thirty seconds ago, so no.
 
very good, then I need no more reminding.
 
Good.
 
great!
 
I can ping you a couple of times to remind you, just to be sure!
 
9:07 PM
please do, if you like. I am not ping-averse!
 
@cc Your icon is hypnotic.
I like it.
@medica There you go!
 
it looks live to me.
Thank you!
I feel heard... :)
 
It is fractally alive.
 
it keeps moving on the right...
it just did it again...
 
It's because of the grey "away" layer, probably.
 
9:10 PM
gosh, it's cool. I never saw an avatar that moved... and it looks spidery a little, too.
 
Looks stationary to me.
 
you don't see it pulsating?
 
No.
 
O_o um, Cerb, you do, right?
 
Well, I'm weird too. So, that's that.
 
9:11 PM
(now I am doubting my eyes)
:-)
 
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note I don't understand it a lot, just took the image
 
that is so cool...
 
@medica Maybe a little bit. You know it is an optical illusion, not an actual GIF, right?
 
yes
but, and I know so little, it seems to pulsate periodically.
I don't know if this is the illusion, or if it refreshes or something.
but it seems to do so at certain fixed intervals, if I watch it
It just did it again... it must be reading as I type!
 
If it's doing at fixed intervals, then it is for some other reason.
 
9:22 PM
hmm... don't think it's my eyes...
@GraceNote - do you happen to be in touch with Yoichi Oishi?
 
Sometimes all the avatars would - uh, how do I describe it - kinda glitch.
 
makes sense to me
 
For me.
 
?for me?
 
For me they do that. For you it could be anything.
 
9:23 PM
Nope.
 
? for you... ah! thank you.
 
I assume he's reading a lengthy backlog.
 
Including hallucination.
Now, I don't want to frighten you.
 
@GraceNote shall I try again?
@Alraxite no, I don't usually hallucinate, so that's not a fear I have! :D
 
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@Cerberus want a real optical illusion?
 
9:25 PM
No, I don't imagine that additional pings will produce any haste.
 
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@medica You're hallucinating not hallucinating.
 
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the grey in A is the same level as the one in B, which usually no one believes, but that's true, measure it with gimp/photoshop
 
*colour
Ah
 
get out!
 
9:25 PM
level is okay too, I guess
I've seen that before.
 
that is so hard to believe
 
The discussion about his name dates back to about 8 hours ago - so assuming he's starting from there, it would be best to assume he's reading through what has been going on, and so he'll eventually reach the current point in the transcript.
 
@cc Ah, I know that one.
It's great.
 
He was discussed 8 hours ago?
 
9:27 PM
Those always amaze me
 
A nice map.
Somehow the papers don't show us maps as nice as this one.
 
no, they don't. where did you find that?
 
I Googled for it.
It shows how small the rebel territory has become.
 
you googled a map for the strife in Ukraine?
 
Yes.
I wanted a good overview of the current situation.
 
9:29 PM
I clearly am not using Google to it's full potential.
 
No?
 
heck, no.
I would never have thought to do that.
 
This was my search.
Images.
 
wowwowwow
 
9:31 PM
there are some interesting maps there
nononononononooooooooo
 
@Alraxite I'm afraid this is not true.
The orange circle on the right is larger.
 
lol!
 
@Alraxite Also a lie.
 
9:34 PM
hehe
 
@Cerberus How would you know? You're a dog.
 
@Alraxite Haha who made those illusions of optical illusions?
 
Well, I guess you can differentiate between shades.
Found them on imgur.
I saw a better post once.
But can't find it.
 
@Alraxite I can make my eyes move the bits to be adjacent and clearly compare size and colour, can't you?
I assure you, these are jokes, and their claims are false.
@Alraxite Okay, this one is true.
Now I see what you're doing.
 
This is the magic of optical illusions.
What you think is true is not true.
 
9:38 PM
Only the first one is true.
 
And the red square.
I mean blue circle.
 
And the blue circle, yes.
Where do you see a red square?
 
My eyes be playin' tricks.
 
Oh, you were fooled by the illusion, my bad.
 
Medica. Are you a paranoiac, or monomaniac. It's not me who reopened "so" question. I didn't even notice that the question being reopened until I visited the site and yesterday and tried to alter the title of the question. I was delighted to see the letter "on hold" had gone. I understood my question was re-opened simply by reopen votes exceeded close votes. That'all and simple.
Are you crazy? Do I have power to over turn the number? I'm just a 1 month-old MD. Is it your hobby to make a noise about such a thing. Beside, I have a hundred good reasons and confident that my question is good and legitimite against your prejudice. Again, I have nothing to do with reopening of my question. It's the decision of users who acknowledged my question is worthy of being read and answered. Did you the plus up-votes and interested-in-question-views number.
 
9:39 PM
@YoichiOishi The edit history says you reopened it. Perhaps that happened by accident? Perhaps the question is automatically reopened if a moderator (you) edits it?
 
@YoichiOishi - please do not call me names. I am neither a paranoid no a momomaniac (whatever tht is)
@YoichiOishi OK< Yoishi, stop calling me names. What happened to that respectful culture you are always referring to?
 
THe word 'absolutely' only really started being used when Rita Hayworth, April 1 1946, used it once in the movie Gilda, and everybody has been using it since. Look it up. — Mitch 3 hours ago
@medica Oedipus was a momomaniac.
 
Medica.Please stop making a fuss on the matter by calling my name for the outcome for which I didn't have any 'say.'
 
Please stop calling me names.
 
Chill dudes.
 
9:43 PM
@YoichiOishi And, no, I am afraid I will not stop making a fuss, as you say. I just want to understand what happened and that is, i presume, why you're here - to tell me 9or us) your side of the story. So I ask that you be civil.
@YoichiOishi - the revision history for that question shows that it was reopened by tchrist, Yoichi Oishi♦ 23 hours ago.
None of the other moderators (although they have not all been asked) are taking responsibility for re-opening it.
 
Medica. You persistently brought this matter for which I'm not responsible for. It's you who called my name first and so many times. Let's stop this uncostructive argument. Again, I have nothing to do with reopening of the question.
 
@YoichiOishi Yes, I typed your name. That is not the same as calling you crazy.
@YoichiOishi the revision history for that question shows that it was reopened by tchrist, Yoichi Oishi♦ 23 hours ago.
 
@YoichiOishi None of the other moderators (although they have not all been asked) are taking responsibility for re-opening it.
 
I think it was done by accident.
 
9:47 PM
@YoichiOishi How might the record be wrong?
@YoichiOishi - you are a moderator and know how these things work. How could the record be wrong?
@GraceNote - if you would like to explain how such an error, if it is an error, might happen, I am very interested in hearing about it.
 
@medica chill.
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You chill
 
I can say with some feeling that knowing how everything works is not instantaneous.
If only it were!
 
Indeed.
 
Well, you would know that far better than I, certainly. Maybe you can explain it, perhaps.
 
9:50 PM
@medica The system itself is not going to be in error. But I might ascribe that @Cerberus may have a point in that this may not have been intentional in any fashion, which is an error, just not in the system.
 
OK, so it was done, perhaps accidentally, but by Yoichi Oishi. Is that what I'm to understand?
 
come on. why all the blame-throwing?
 
this is the last time I address you. read the transcript if you want to know something.
 
@GraceNote If you edit a closed question, will it be automatically reopened? Or, if not, is there a chance that you might press the reopen button by accident if you are a moderator? As a third possibility, perhaps Yoichi wasn't aware at the time that his vote would not just be one vote, but a decisive vote? It can be hard to change one's routine, and hey may have forgotten by now.
 
WJW
 
9:52 PM
STFU?
 
@Cerberus Impossible, relatively implausible, very plausible.
 
@medica It was probably not done intentionally. It's not super important anyway, right?
 
No, it is important to me.
 
@GraceNote OK thanks.
 
Just as one cannot decide what is offensive to another, one cannot decide what is important to another.
 
9:53 PM
Shut the front door? OK. shutted.
 
@medica But it is not right for one upset person to try and upset the whole community.
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!!define prognosis
 
@cc prognosis (medicine) A forecast of the future course of a disease or disorder, based on medical knowledge.
 
I don't know anything about this. Your adhearenee looks like that of the Gestapo. We Japanese cherish name and respect others. But from yourspooky manner I have to conclude you're like monomaniac. Medica this is the last time I chat on this matter. I don't have time to be involved with make a fuss on the mole hole on the mountain issue. I'm not paranoia.
 
9:55 PM
I am NOT trying to upset the whole community. I am trying to get an answer. If I wanted to upset the whole community, I would have made a meta post.
 
@medica You're so upset. but over what? the reopening or the name calling?
 
@YoichiOishi - OK. actually I am the Gestapo, since you will not stop calling me names. The record shows you reopened the question, which was a poor candidate for reopening. Can you at least explain why the record, not me, the record shows that you reopened it?
 
@Cerberus To clarify, [1] editing doesn't affect the open/closed status (and in any case, the reopen vote was cast over an hour after the prior edit and a bit under half an hour before the next edit), [2] reopening is not instantaneous and there's a pop-up for confirmation, so even if the button is accidentally hit, you can't accidentally confirm it too because we do not default to "OK" there, [3] it's plausible for someone fresh to the job to be unaware that the vote is binding.
 
@GraceNote OK that makes sense.
@medica You keep pinging him and saying the same thing. It's not working.
Take a break already!
 
Why cant we all just get back to making no sense? I feel lie I walked into a 7th grade birthday party or British Parliament.
OK I will add my attempt...
 
10:05 PM
As we say in Dutch, a Poolse Landdag (a session of the Polish Parliament).
 
@medica I think we've established that the action was accidental and unintentional.
 
@Cerberus Holy crap! What's that big blank space in Kazakhstan? I bet it is desert and not 'inhabited by 100% kazakhs'.
 
@Mitch Hehe could be!
@Mitch There are many areas around Europe where I would expect at least a dingle-digit number of people to be Russian, but they are blank on the map.
 
He probably doesn't.
 
@medica Please stop the incessant pinging and self repetition, if you continue you will be temporarily banned to cool down
 
10:07 PM
Protip: moderators are not elected to do nothing
 
@medica You have made your point. It is clear. Now please drop it at least temporarily until you get a reply.
 
I think that's 26 pings. I've lost count.
27.
 
If I get no answers, I feel the need to call attention to the qustions.
 
He's not reading.
 
8 messages deleted
 
10:09 PM
Then it will become a meta question, and that's not something I want
@Mujahidمجاهد - that was inappropriate.
 
@Mujahidمجاهد Thanks.
 
Thought you guys might like this:
 
@medica Actually, yes it is. That is the only way you are going to get a sane answer.
 
Probably already seen it.
 
Let's try this then. I will personally contact Yoichi through another channel and extend the line of inquiry along these lines.
 
10:10 PM
Gracenote has been here much longer than you have and could better determine the appropriateness of that action.
 
This constant pinging is bordering harassment.
 
Right now, we have about seven different heated crossed lines being strung about the subject matter and it is not getting any closer to any sort of resolution, nevermind one that answers the questions being asked here.
 
@GraceNote I would like the deleted comments for my records, if I am going to make a meta post. Can they be sent to me?
 
@fredsbend Haha nice!
Didn't know it.
 
So the back log in here ... I don't know if I should just leave.
 
10:13 PM
@fredsbend Just ignore it! Only one person is involved, and it will be over soon.
 
@medica I will look into this but I would suggest waiting until I report the results of my contact before going towards a Meta post. But I can relay the deleted comment contents if necessary, yes.
 
ok
 
@GraceNote - where can I retrieve the comments?
 
@fredsbend Very nice animations too.
@medica Why don't you wait until tomorrow to do anything. You will probably not care any more tomorrow.
 
@Cerberus I know, right? Just listening to it is not good enough.
 
10:15 PM
Hehe.
If only for the spelling advice!
 
@medica I will provide them after my report, probably in here as the simplest way unless you'd prefer email.
 
> If I wanted to upset the whole community, I would have made a meta post.
 
You should be able to see it there.
 
I might have to say that myself in the future. There's something axiomatic about it.
 
I will not likely see them in here. I would like them in an email, but I see no reason to wait until you investigate just to have the comments I made back.
 
10:18 PM
Oh, if you mean the deleted chat messages and not deleted comments on the site, you can just do the trick that Mahnax demonstrated.
 
Yes, that's all I need. I don't know how to do what Mahnax did.
@Mahnax thank you. I appreciate that.
 
The ones whose message gets deleted can view the message in their history?
 
@fredsbend Hmm axiomatic, how so?
 
The messages are 16625007, 16625019, 16625026, 16625033, 16625044, 16625058, 16625092, and 16625113. Give me a moment to convert these to links.
 
@Alraxite Yes.
 
10:20 PM
I see.
 
Hmm I didn't know that.
 
@Alraxite So I went through some histories until I found one I couldn't see, and shared that link.
By which I mean I just adjusted the message number a few times.
 
Right. You changed the number to one of medica's messages.
 
Makes sense.
 
Vitaly freaked me out with that once.
 
@Cerberus Well, I always feel like chat is easy going (typically) and meta is so serious and formal.
 
I understand that you made that comment just so you can quickly find a link to read it at your convenience in its history?
That is an amazing idea.
 
@GraceNote - thank you very much.
 
@Alraxite If it's supposed to be a totally private store, though, it has some drawbacks.
 
@fredsbend Ah, you mean, it would make for a good axiom, I get it now.
 
10:28 PM
@AndrewLeach The mods can see it is what you mean?
 
Not just ELU mods. All mods are mods throughout chat.
 
You know what would be best? Take a screenshot, print it out, and lock it in a safe.
 
There is something that I’d like you folks, who has witnessed a manifestation of it, to know. Because of a number of things (probably primarily an abusive background) I depend to some extent on "rules" and laws to feel safe.
For that reason, I respect rules, laws, etc. But even moreso, I respect the spirit of the law.
 
@AndrewLeach And room owners.
 
This is a site in which I have invested. I can just leave if something bothers me, or I can try to find out why “rules" seem to have been bent.
Or indeed if they are rules.
That is how and why I came in today.
First, to see if there were any "rules" about this.
Second, to find out why, if there were, they were bent for the sake of one person.
I am not trying to go out of my way to be obnoxious or a pot-stirrer.
I have an investment here, just as important to me as yours is to you.
So an invite to just leave if I don't like it would be painful.
I would rather find out what's going on than to leave or wonder what the dynamics are, how flexible the "rules" are.
I know this is not a concept or mindset most people have.
But it's mine.
And I don't know how to do it very much differently.
If I've gotta ask, I've gotta ask.
 
10:34 PM
@medica 1. There are indeed rules about it.
2. That was an error by a newly-elected mod. Do you want to penalise him for it?
Those are your answers.
 
Telling me to chill, or asking what difference it makes, doesn't help.
Just explaining.
And apologizing for what you all may see as needless drama.
@Alraxite If you understood what I wrote, you would understand a little better your own question.
No, I don't want to penalize him for it. I want him to be honest about it.
 
@medica No. I understand your question perfectly and I answered them.
 
In any case, it will be what it will be.
 
@medica Right, so that's what you want. In that case, Grace will be having a private conversation with him.
As she already has said.
That will probably answer that problem for you.
 
@GraceNote - when will you (or rather how) be getting back to me? How will I know, will you email me?
 
10:45 PM
@medica I will reach you via email.
 
Thank you.
 
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!! youtube "Joking Bad" - Late Night with Jimmy Fallon
 
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Watch this guys. And chillax :)
 
Chillax!
 
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10:53 PM
medica everything is gonna be all right :D
 
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Yeah Chillax!
 
11:03 PM
Now that that's over, hello!
 
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Hello! Mahnax.
 
How are you, Farooq?
 
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@Mahnax Yeah how did you remember? Is it shown in my profile? :D
 
@Arrowfar Oh, I just remembered, that's all! :-)
I remember what your username was before it was Arrowfar.
 
user116848
Wow, quite a memory there boss :D
 
11:07 PM
Well, I had to check to make sure I was right.
 
user116848
Check? So you keep a log of names :)
 
Jul 8 at 22:13, by Arrowfar
Farooq
The chat log suffices, hehe.
 
user116848
haha
 
@Arrowfar - that was excellent! Thanks. ;-)
 
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@medica Anytime :D
 
11:09 PM
Did you watch Breaking Bad?
 
user116848
@Mahnax So Mahnax is you real name?
 
@Arrowfar Nope.
My real name is Matthew.
 
user116848
@medica No I tried but didn't like it. You watch it?
 
yes, all of it. I loved it.
so the spoof was doubly fun!
 
user116848
@Mahnax Ah. I'll try to remember it. But don't ask me after some time I might forget haha
 
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11:10 PM
@medica Yeah it was :)
 
@Arrowfar No worries. It's not on display, I don't expect anyone to remember it, though several people do, and quite pointedly at that.
looks in Jasper's direction
 
@Arrowfar OK. Here's something to do: try to forget it.
 
user116848
@Alraxite Okay I'll try.
 
@Mahnax Is Jasper back?
 
Speaking of which, has anyone seen Jasper recently? Does he have an account right now?
 
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11:12 PM
Who's Jasper? I think I don't know him.
 
@Arrowfar You won't achieve your goal if you do that.
 
user116848
@Alraxite Yeah :D
 
@Arrowfar He's a meme. In all seriousness, though, he was a very high-rep user before he deleted his account.
 
user116848
@Alraxite So what's the goal here to forget or to remember?
 
He has since remade and re-deleted accounts.
 
11:13 PM
@Arrowfar To forget to remember.
 
user116848
@Mahnax Why did he delete his account? Did something bad happen?
 
More clearly, to try to forget it so that you'll be forced to remember it.
 
@Arrowfar It's hard to say. You'd need to ask him yourself for a clear answer to that. Any info I have is either personal and thus private, or mere speculation.
 
user116848
@Alraxite You mean like that "Who's the elephant in the room type exercise". Where we try to forget something to remember it.
 
Do you know if someone is in touch with him?
 
11:15 PM
Yes. Zoe is.
 
Good.
 
@Mahnax He hasn't come back.
 
@Alraxite Interesting.
I should email him.
 
Good idea.
 
agreed.
 
11:17 PM
@Arrowfar Um, I'm not aware of such an exercise.
But you have the right idea I think.
 
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Yeah.
 
@Mahnax @Zoe was going to contact him.
 
@Cerberus I have done so as well, but who is Zoe?
Ah, gotta run.
 
@Mahnax Bai!
She's just Zoe.
 
11:37 PM
@YoichiOishi: Oishi-san, you have my email address now. I'd be pleased to get an email from you, if you're not averse to that.
 
How do you give someone your email address?
Privately, I mean.
 
@Alraxite whisper.
 
11:53 PM
@fredsbend How do you do that?
Or were you kidding...?
 
kidding of course
 
Ah.
 
@YoichiOishi I suspected your name was something like that. The trouble with English for rendering Japanese names is that the vowels get contracted. So I didn't know if Oishi was おいし (小石) or おおいし (大石). As for your given name, I guessed it might be 良一 (but apparently the first part is actually two syllables).
 
Some online chats do call this whisper.
 
idk how you could share your email with someone privately through se chat.
@Alraxite That actually does make sense. I have little chat experience except on se.
I would like to know if it is possible.
mods probably have a tool. I bet a private message function has been suggested, but declined, or more commonly, unanswered.
 
11:58 PM
@fredsbend Yes, I believe mods can do that.
And also I think it would be very unlikely such a feature would be allowed.
 
@Cerberus ping
 
@Robusto Arg!
Are you...
 
Not even taking in account the unlikelihood of such a feature being present while other users do not even mention it.
 
@fredsbend If both of you are in chat, one way would be to post your email and then delete the post after a few seconds.
 

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