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12:00 AM
@Robusto Ah, I see.
 
I guess that could work. But mods and room owner can still see it.
 
@fredsbend status-declined
 
@fredsbend Yes. But if that's the same email in your profile, then I'd say it doesn't change much as the mods can see them too.
 
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Q: Any way to send a personal message to another user?

a_m0dThere has been quite a few times that I wished I could send a message to another user on SO - not ask a question for everyone to see, but just a short message informing them of something or requesting them to do something. Are there any plans to allow this to happen in the future? Related: Ho...

 
But the room owners can be a problem.
 
12:01 AM
@fredsbend Mods have your email anyway.
 
@Robusto Respondi.
 
@AndrewLeach There's always skywriting.
 
(That's Latin, not Italian.)
 
@Robusto And smoke signals, too.
 
@Cerberus Si.
 
12:10 AM
@Robusto Sic!
 
@Cerberus Transit!
 
@Robusto Gloria!
 
Sorry. The correct response is "Gloria!"
 
Err yes.
 
Then I come back with Mundi! And the world is happy, as it fades away.
 
12:18 AM
Well, since I can't seem to leave I guess I'll just accept fate and stay here.
 
Yay!
 
Apologies to anyone who was annoyed by my bouncing around.
 
@Robusto Probably for the best.
@Seth Why would they? On the contrary!
 
@Cerberus lol. This isn't the first time this has happened to me.
 
@Seth You were bouncing? I saw no bouncing. Do it again so I can watch this time.
 
12:20 AM
I'm guessing it's a bug with websockets. anyway.
@Robusto Did you see that?
 
Sorry, I tabbed out for a sec.
 
If I leave this room but keep another chat tab open (with another room) chat keeps bouncing me back into this room.
 
Oh, bravo! A bounce!
 
Ah, now I see it.
The room wants you.
 
Thanks. I will email you a quarter.
 
12:23 AM
It is ignored at your own peril.
 
Guess I'm hanging out with you people ;)
 
Noooooooo! @Seth don't stay here. These are crazy people.
 
@terdon Too late!
 
12:25 AM
He has fallen for our spell.
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者: ^
 
Damn, I was just starting dinner when the last drama began. Now I have to read the transcript :(
 
@terdon Kinda like living in Naples around here, yeah?
 
Sheesh...
 
@terdon The juice parts were deleted, alas.
 
12:27 AM
@Cerberus Ah, but I can still see them!
 
Really?
That seems unlikely?
 
@Cerberus Nah, super mod powers. We can see deleted messages in chat.
 
@TRiG Oscar Wilde is a Lord of Language. That's alright by me.
 
Dang, they aren't in the recycle bin.
 
"Well sod them to hades." I can't stop laughing.
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Oh, then you're repeating myself. Or I'm repeating yourself. Or . . .
 
@Robusto Recurse you!
 
circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works because . . .
 
To understand recursion, one must first understand recursion.
 
Somebody get @JohanLarsson out of bed.
 
12:36 AM
For a music lesson?
 
@terdon Ah, right, I forgot about your blue blood.
So do they look like normal messages in the transcript, or what do you see?
 
Flashing Blue Light Special
 
Hello!
 
@Cerberus That better be the last time you do though. I'm watching you!
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Gotta school him again before I go down for the night.
 
12:38 AM
That’s only he forgot to put electrical tape over his computer monitor’s camera.
 
Wow, that was one hell of a tempest in a teapot there.
Poor Yoichi.
 
It's bad form to pick on anyone like that, still worse when the target is someone in his 80s who's trying to type out English on a Japanese keyboard with a dictionary in one hand and a thesaurus in the other.
 
Exactly!
 
I have nothing to say on the matter consistent with professional comportment.
 
For fuck's sake, we're talking about an octogenarian Japanese man who's managed to become one of the highest rep users in an online community for English language enthusiasts. Some slack is deserved!
 
12:42 AM
Yes, that sort of thing.
 
@terdon Yes, Sir. Whatever you say.
 
@Cerberus Heel!
 
If the US were signatory to the no-fucking-land-mines treaty, I would report a violation.
 
@tchrist Haha, now you sound like Sir Humphrey.
 
@Cerberus Applesby?
From Yes Minister?
 
12:44 AM
Of course! Appleby, I think it is.
 
Bless you, I love that series.
 
It is the best!
 
And still so relevant oddly enough.
 
They have made a Dutch variant, which is 1000x worse.
Quite.
 
@terdon There is nothing new under the sun.
 
12:45 AM
It's also very good for your English.
 
But the English, sigh, whoever wrote that script should get a Nobel.
 
Indeed, who was it again?
 
no idea
!!wiki yes minister
 
Yes Minister is a satirical British sitcom written by Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn that was first transmitted by BBC Television between 1980 and 1984, split over three seven-episode series. The sequel, Yes, Prime Minister, ran from 1986 to 1988. In total there were 38 episodes, of which all but one lasted half an hour. Several episodes were adapted for BBC Radio, and a stage play was produced in 2010, the latter leading to a new television series on UKTV Gold in 2013. Set principally in the private office of a British Cabinet minister in the (fictional) Department of Administrative Affai...
 
It's so good!
I have all the episodes somewhere.
 
12:46 AM
So do I. I watch them again every now and then.
 
I have also given the complete DVD box to a friend in the past.
 
That and Blackadder (the early episodes).
 
So do I, but I don't want to watch them too often, there has to be some time in between.
 
^^
 
@Cerberus What?! you didn't just give your friend a .torrent url?!
 
12:47 AM
@Cerberus I hardly think Prince Philip’s Graeco-Caledonian unacknowledged bastard grandson requires tutelage in English.
 
@tchrist What? How the hell did you find out?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hey, I like to pay for stuff that I like.
 
@Cerberus In America, you pay for stuff you don't like!
 
@Robusto and like it too.
 
@tchrist No doubt His Blueness' English is good enough to identify the impersonal you!
 
12:48 AM
@terdon 🙊
@Cerberus Add an s or be forever damned.
 
@Robusto To dispel advertisements? Yes, alas...
 
@Cerberus Shouldn't you pirate it, on principle, then mail them some cash, or maybe some goods in exchange?
 
@tchrist Pretty poor attempt at one-boxing.
 
@tchrist No, no, I wished to be old fashioned.
 
@Cerberus Add a hyphen or be forever damned.
 
12:49 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Perhaps I should have, for who will receive most of the money I paid? But I was too lazy, and the box looked nice as a present.
 
Compound words are assumed to be virgin unless the hyphen is broken.
 
British taxpayers probably deserve most of the money.
 
@Cerberus What will get the money.
Who’s on first.
 
I'd think that seeing as he lives at the very door of hell, he's already kinda damned.
 
Better to serve in Hell than . . . hey, wait a minute!
 
12:50 AM
@tchrist Umm no. People, like Mr Universal or Mr Warner Brothers.
 
@Robusto Should have read the small print eh?
 
@Cerberus Tomorrow may also be in the running.
 
@Robusto Eww.
@tchrist No, no, a hyphen is not necessary in complementary position, i.e. after the verb.
 
@terdon I miss The Far Side.
 
12:52 AM
@terdon Don't make me post that Atkinson sketch again...
 
@Cerberus Being old-fashioned is hardly flattering.
 
@Robusto Don't we all...
 
@tchrist What?
 
@Cerberus Which one? The vicar and the names?
 
12:52 AM
@tchrist On the contrary! I'm sure my current lover loves it...
 
@tchrist Not those names :)
 
@terdon No, Toby! Do you not know it? In Hell?
 
@Cerberus It's cool for us to be old fashioned, we're in our thirties. It's them old fogeys that feel insecure about it.
 
@terdon Hehe ouch!
 
12:53 AM
:)
 
Mar 15 '11 at 10:53, by Robusto
@Cerberus — You're only young once, but that's no reason you can't be immature forever.
 
Jul 19 '13 at 0:15, by Cerberus
3 hours ago, by Cerberus
@Robusto QETD.
 
@Robusto Amen to that.
 
Which stands for quod erat tibi demonstrandum.
That which you were supposed to prove, [you have proven].
 
12:55 AM
1904 Daily Chron. 7 Jan. 3/3 ― She··does not hesitate to lean to the old-fashioned if occasion require.
1874 Burnand My time ii. 18, ― I suppose at this age I must have been very old-fashioned.
1939 S. Sitwell Old Fashioned Flowers i. 21 ― There can be more than a mere sentimental fondness for these old flowers. It is not enough that they are old-fashioned and in danger of being classed as quaint.
1886 S.W. Linc. Gloss. s.v., ― The pony was a bit old-fashioned, and could open the gate with his mouth.
@Cerberus See citations. You’re wrong here.
Old-fashioned always takes a hyphen.
 
@Cerberus That's a good 'un.
 
It’s a fixed form.
It’s not a de novo / ab ovo coinage.
 
@tchrist You know corporate, or coporeal, arguments cannot convince me to dump Fowler.
@Robusto 'Tis!
 
'Tis indeed, I'd seen it ages ago but did not remember it. Thanks :)
 
OED ⋙ Fowler ≣ QED
Anyway, Fowler’s dead.
 
1:00 AM
Damn, I wrote it hyphen-less as well.
 
This is a separate concern. A newly-fashioned idea is one that is newly fashioned, but an old-fashioned idea is still one that is old-fashioned.
It’s a fixed form.
It retains the hyphen.
 
@terdon Nice.
@tchrist Pshhtssk!
 
You have mistaken General Relativity for Special Relativity. Again.
 
@Cerberus Oh, I love that one. Probably my favorite Atkinson sketch. I'd seen it as a chile on TV and then finally found it again when the internets came into play.
 
@tchrist Fowler recognised the argument but judges it insufficient, if I remember correctly.
Long libe the Internets!
 
1:03 AM
*Judged.
He‘s dead.
Times change.
 
He still speaks to us.
As do Homer and Virgil.
 
Nurse!! He’s out of his bed again!
 
He lives in a book case.
 
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Q: Some Unicode fonts not working in WIndows 7

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇My use-case is that I want to display Egyptian Hieroglyphics: 𓀀 𓀁 𓀂 𓀃 𓀄 𓀅 𓀆 𓀇 𓀈 𓀉 𓀊 𓀋 𓀌 𓀍 𓀎 𓀏 𓀐 𓀑 𓀒 𓀓 𓀔 𓀕 𓀖 𓀗 𓀘 𓀙 𓀚 𓀛 𓀜 𓀝 𓀞 𓀟 𓀠 𓀡 𓀢 𓀣 These are part of Unicode 5.2. I tried installing the Aegyptus font, as well as the Google Noto fonts. The result is t...

I gave up and asked the internet for halps
 
May it you holpen.
 
1:06 AM
I just read there's a 2004 edition of Fowler. Who did that?
 
But I wouldn’t put any bets on the matter.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Are you going to fix that typo or will I have to?
 
@terdon I like to shout the I
 
Heh, I knew that would make you search for it.
 
1:08 AM
@terdon Burchfield.
 
@Cerberus Who dat?
 
@terdon Whuh?!
 
Did I just display my ignorance again?
 
I can rectify that for you.
Robert William Burchfield CNZM, CBE (27 January 1923 – 5 July 2004) was a lexicographer, scholar, and writer, who edited the Oxford English Dictionary for thirty years to 1986, and was Chief Editor from 1971. Education and career Born in Wanganui, New Zealand, he studied at Wanganui Technical College and Victoria University in Wellington. After war service in the Royal New Zealand Artillery, he graduated MA from Wellington in 1948 and won a Rhodes Scholarship to Magdalen College, Oxford University, in England, where he was tutored by C. S. Lewis. He became a Fellow of Magdalen and lecturer...
> The first edition of A Dictionary of Modern English Usage (1926) was much reprinted; thus, a reprint wherein the copyright page indicates 1954, as the most recent reprinting year, also notes that the 1930 and 1937 reprintings were "with corrections". The second edition, Fowler’s Modern English Usage (1965) was revised by Sir Ernest Gowers, who updated the text, contributed entries, and deleted articles "no longer relevant to [current] literary fashions". For the twenty-first century, the third edition, The New Fowler’s Modern English Usage (1996), was revised and published as Fowler’s Mod
 
Ummm.
> Robert William Burchfield CNZM, CBE (27 January 1923 – 5 July 2004).
> The New Fowler’s Modern English Usage (1996), was revised and published as Fowler’s Modern English Usage (2004),
Spooky.
 
1:13 AM
Yes, well.
Karoshi.
 
It probably took a while to publish even after he had finished writing it.
@EdwinAshworth: It is not a clause: it merely contains a clause. Conversely, when she appeared from the palace is not a prepositional phrase, even though the most salient information arguably comes from the embedded prepositional phrase.. — Cerberus 2 mins ago
 
@Cerberus Always.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Just to be sure (this will sound stupid), how did you install the font? Double-click the .ttf file and press "Install"?
@tchrist Yes.
 
@Cerberus No. Right-click the TTF and hit "install". The font is installed; I can use it in Word and in FF if I explicitly select it. But it doesn't appear automatically.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh, OK.
Very strange indeed.
 
1:16 AM
I didn't know there was a new edition of Fowler's out. Now I know what to buy my Dad for Christmas.
Then I can look through it and find changes that bug him.
Joy.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I have nothing to suggest; you have probably already tried everything I would try.
 
The font-substitution algorithm is working for other fonts/character ranges though. Chinese works fine, for example.
 
@terdon Yay! Burchfield is indeed a lot less strict than Fowler.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Do you need to install the languages themselves?
@Cerberus Oh man, my Dad will hate that. He won't even accept that hopefully can mean I hope that.
 
@terdon I didn't on the VMs I tried. And they were fresh from MS.
 
1:18 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Clutching at straws here. I haven't used Windows for more than games in many years.
 
@terdon wait...what else does it mean?
 
Isn’t that just what published needs though, more ass?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 For non-BMP sets?
He delivered the ms in December, and we shan’t be getting the book ere October.
 
@tchrist I don't know which ranges are parts of BMP.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 codepoint <= 0xFFFF
 
1:20 AM
@Mitch Ugh, damn. Meant that other meaning, the I hope that.
 
@terdon Nice, I like him already.
 
All I know is: on a Windows 7 VM I install the fonts and they work. On my Windows 7 machine I install the fonts and they don't work.
 
Wow. I don't even use hopefully to mean I hope that. I can't believe I wrote that.
 
@tchrist I may be unusual in this but I normally enter my unicode characters using an IME that doesn't require me to know any code points :p
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, my Win7 VM is almost virginal.
 
1:22 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Could you clarify what you mean by "manually specify them in a webpage"? Do you mean choosing the encoding?
 
And nearly preggers.
 
Not at all!
I have merely inserted a little bit of Aeyptus and Akkadian into her.
And I can take them out again, leaving her as if she had never been touched.
 
The other obvious thing to try of course would be to create a new user and check whether the problem affects him.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ^
 
Yay!
 
@terdon I updated the question to make that clearer
@terdon Hm. I tried a new Firefox profile but not a new user.
 
1:27 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I doubt it'll make a difference if you've already tried a new profile but I don't know enough of how Windows deals with users to know.
 
Hm, I created a new user account, but when I try to log in it just logs me out automatically.
 
Oh, dear.
 
Hello again. Jasper responded, so he's alive and okay.
 
@terdon Regrettably, I don't understand why people don't like 'hopefully' as a sentence adverb. What other adverb could fill its place?
 
@Mitch None. I think it's actually a useful addition to the language.
I just can't use it that way myself. I have stopped correcting people who do though.
 
1:38 AM
> Europe's total misunderstanding of the concept of Free Speech terrifies me.
I have had to vote this comment up.
 
@Cerberus You mean they expect to get paid for it?
 
@Mitch Haha, yes, kind of.
 
@Cerberus Where's that?
 
It is one thing in which Europe ought to follow America (although some European countries are actually OK.)
And I gave you that dot inside the brackets as a free token of my appreciation, Americans!
 
F o r e v e r y l e t t e r I t y p e , I g e t m o n e y augh this is so hard.
 
1:40 AM
There is a slight possibility that Techdirt has slightly skewed the report, but I don't think so.
 
@Cerberus Oh. Hm. Not logical. Does not compute. YOu need a period ('also' if you like) at the very end (of that sentence).
 
Okay there was some problem creating the user account, but if I create it as an admin account then I can log in. The new account has the same font issues as the old.
 
@Mitch Are you a patriot or...
 
@Cerberus I was outraged until I found out the name of the restaurant. That place is a pig sty.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Could there be a connection between these two issues?
@Mitch Umm that ought to fuel your outrage, not quench it.
 
1:43 AM
@Cerberus My country... drunk or sober... bla blha blhab ... somethety somethy... my country.
 
@Cerberus Maybe. I suspect that what happened was that the user's profile creation failed. That could be due to some mucking around I may have done way back when I set this machine up. I may have changed NTFS permissions.
 
@Mitch Haha, wait, whose national anthem was that again?
England's?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hmm...
 
@Cerberus "Ohoh say can you see, dum-dee-dum, sweet land of la la-la, God save the Queen, le jour de gloire est arrivé"
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 How could that affect your browser detecting encodings correctly?
 
@terdon I don't think it does. Maybe somehow it might prevent font installation, but I don't think that's happening.
 
2:02 AM
@Mitch What country could this be, Canada?
 
@Cerberus Hey...wehere do you get al your maps from, the ones you link here?
 
@Mitch It varies.
I come across maps in my daily reading routine.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 If I understand correctly, your fonts work everywhere except firefox. They also work in firefox but you need to manually set the encoding of a webpage. Is that right?
 
@Mitch Or I search Google/Bing images for maps I want.
Why?
 
Nope, theirs is too boring. "Oh Canada (repeat)" no fireworks or whitesplaining slavery to other countries they've enslaved, or fertilizing their fields with the blood of their dumber enemies.
 
2:04 AM
@terdon No. The fonts I've tried (so far, I haven't identified a single Supplementary Multilingual Plane font) that works anywhere on my machine through automatic font substitution. But on my VM, in Firefox, those fonts appear automatically.
 
@Cerberus Oh. duh.
Why? because I thought I'd post a controversial map here to get people's minds off the dullness of their own existence.
Hunh. Tried google images. Lots of examples.
 
Further testing on my VM shows that most of Windows 7 and 8 does not support the egyptian font. But Firefox does.
 
Well, that was worth the long effort, huh?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Can't parse your sentence...
@Mitch Do it!
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Where does Win7 not support Aegysptus?
 
@Cerberus like, a file whose name is some hieroglyph.txt
It shows a box
 
2:14 AM
Oh.
That kind of makes sense.
But in other programmes?
It doesn't appear to work in Chrome on my computer.
 
@Cerberus I only have it working in Firefox.
But on my main machine it doesn't even work there.
 
Word?
 
In Word it works if you select the font to format the text.
 
I still think it’s a classic UTF-16 fuck-up, where stuff is treated as UCS-2 instead.
 
I don't have Word in my VM and can't easily get it there to test.
 
2:15 AM
Because people are idiots.
 
@tchrist Wouldn't it show two boxes then?
 
Yes.
 
Which is something I have seen before.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not for me.
I only see it in Firefox in my XP.
 
2:17 AM
Something in the code path could be using a 16-bit int to hold the code point. It may be mid-processing, so you might still get just box from it.
 
It doesn't work in Notepad++ either.
 
@Cerberus if I open Word 2010, paste 𓀀, then select it and change the font to "Noto Sans Egyptian Hieroglyphs" I see the proper symbol.
 
Why are you people so astounded at how crappy a joke Microsoft pawns off on you?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not for me in Word 2003 with Aegyptus.
 
@tchrist It's not like this feature isn't supported at all in Windows, whatsoever. SMP is there.
 
2:18 AM
@tchrist I'm not.
But Notepad++ does not allow me to pick Unicode 16.
 
It's the glyph substitution that seems broken.
 
So that's why it won't work in Notepad++, right?
 
And so it's broken in some apps, fine. Why does it work in FF on one windows and not on another.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ah, now that is interesting.
 
Anyway. Time for sleep.
 
2:20 AM
@Cerberus “Unicode 16”? Huh?
 
flies off hoping to dream about something other than fonts
 
Yeah, bed for me too.
There is no such thing as “Unicode 16”, so it is good that you cannot select it.
Unicode is at 7.
Meanwhile, in other news, apparently Germany has announced that it would again start spying on France, the UK, and the US for the first time since the Second World War.
They really should know better.
Look how much trouble it got them in the last time around.
 
THere's really nothing to it. Just looks pretty with all the colors
Also, everybody is racist.
 
@Mitch I have no earthly idea what that means.
 
@Mitch Ah, I already know that one.
But it's nice.
@tchrist I don't know what it's called.
@tchrist It is sad, but understandable.
 
2:49 AM
@tchrist It means that people live mostly in racially unmixed areas. Except the Bronx, I can't tell what's going on there.
 
They play basketball there :-)
 
@skullpatrol I didn't understand that. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
@skullpatrol The Gods of Wikipedia did not bless us
@skullpatrol The Wikipedia contains no knowledge of such a thing
 
Jarvis the Bot on ignore
 

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