English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

KitFox

13:00

@Mitch What do you mean a normal person wouldn't say that?

Mitch

green stuff is good for you. also, jesus wouldn't need arm puffy things.

David Wallace

I don't think Jesus (PBUH) needed the floaty armband things.

Jinx!

Cerberus

KitFox

Water wings.

Cerberus

Mitch

13:00

@KitFox A normal person wouldn't care if I were comfortable before I stated I was uncomfortable. Unless you're really into uncomfort.

Cerberus

Mitch

@DavidWallace: !!/jinx

wait for it...

Matt Эллен

NOU

KitFox

@Mitch makes notes So this leaves you with the impression that I am not a regular person? What sort of reaction would you expect from the standard human population in a similar circumstance?

Cerberus

She's a bit retarded.

Mitch

13:01

uh oh...it got me!

Matt Эллен

!!/jinx @DavidWallace

David Wallace

She's probably busy playing hangman.

Caprica Six

David Wallace

!!/Thank you

Caprica Six

@DavidWallace That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: hang

KitFox

13:03

!!/learn thanks "<msg> You're welcome."

Caprica Six

@KitFox Command thanks learned

KitFox

Oh crud.

I think I did that wrong.

David Wallace

!!/thanks

KitFox

!!/thanks

Caprica Six

@DavidWallace You're welcome.

@KitFox You're welcome.

KitFox

13:04

Oh, no. I got it.

David Wallace

Looks OK to me, Kit.

Can you overwrite an existing command by giving it a new implementation?

KitFox

You have to forget to old one first.

David Wallace

So it's an error if you don't?

!!/learn thanks "<msg> Any time"

Caprica Six

@DavidWallace Command thanks learned

David Wallace

!!/thankns

!!/thanks

Caprica Six

13:06

@DavidWallace That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: thanks

@DavidWallace Any time

KitFox

Huh. I had it error on me before.

David Wallace

So I could erase all of her skills that way?

Or does she have a reset mechanism?

What if I typed !!/learrn hang "<msg> Homey don't play that no more" but spelt learn better?

Matt Эллен

Hey @TuralTeyyubogluAliyev. I'm busy right now.

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

Guys, I need help from native speakers

Jez

@Cerberus It is in that they can't put ad breaks in for a solid 45 minutes.

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

13:11

"What can I say about my topic is, I tried to select an actual subject for today's event." is this sentence is grammatically right?

Jez

Imagine the footy stopping every 5 mins for bloody ads

Cerberus

@Jez But a match is one big commercial.

KitFox

@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev You could say that, or just "I tried to select an actual subject for today's event."

David Wallace

@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev No

Cerberus

^.

David Wallace

13:12

What I can say about my topic is that I tried to select an actual subject for today's event.

KitFox

@DavidWallace I don't know. Some of the commands cannot be overwritten.

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

actual subject - I meant high priority for today

is that good synonym?

David Wallace

But it's awkward. Listen to KitFox. She is good at making sentences make more sense.

@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev No.

KitFox

"I tried to select a topic that is relevant to today's news."

Jez

@Cerberus not really.

David Wallace

13:14

@Tural Did you mean news in general? Or a specific event that happened today, or that will happen today?

Cerberus

They even have ad terrorism in the public seating area, remember the Bavaria girls?

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

@KitFox no I don't mean that. Let me explain you what I want to say. For ex, spaaming is very actual for nowadays

And my subject is about spamming problem

KitFox

Right. It's relevant.

"I tried to select a topic that is relevant to modern programming."

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

@KitFox event is conference. It's 1 sentence from presentation for conference

David Wallace

"I tried to select a topic that would be relevant to people today".

KitFox

13:16

Or something. What's the context?

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

What can I say about my topic is, I tried to select an actual subject for today's event.

Finally I decided to talk about why PHP Developers should use a framework.

here is how it looks inside other sentences

KitFox

A professional conference?

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

... What can I say about my topic is, I tried to select an actual subject for today's event.

Finally I decided to talk about why PHP Developers should use a framework.
...

@KitFox yeah

David Wallace

Huh? Your topic is spamming? Or is it why PHP developers should use a framework?

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

@DavidWallace I said spamming like an example

KitFox

13:18

Oh dear. Do you have a native speaker you can practice with?

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

@KitFox no. what's problem?

David Wallace

Other than those that are here in this room.

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

@KitFox that's why I need your help

KitFox

@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev Your English is kind of lumpy. You need a lot of practice if you are going to present at a conference.

How long is the presentation?

David Wallace

Lumpy?

KitFox

13:19

@DavidWallace I don't know. What's the opposite of fluent?

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

@KitFox I'm not native speaker, and I don't see any wrongs in my sentences. Can't get you

David Wallace

@KitFox I don't know. Viscous?

KitFox

@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev Well, that's my point. Your English isn't very clear and you can't spot the issues, so you need to really practice what you are going to say.

David Wallace

@Tural If your spoken English is similar to your written English, your audience may have difficulty understanding you.

KitFox

Is it a 30 minute presentation?

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

13:21

@KitFox You better try to help me.

@KitFox yes a bit more maybe

KitFox

Have you written down what you will say?

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

@KitFox I can show you whole text of presentation if you want

yeah

KitFox

When is the conference?

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

@KitFox saturday

KitFox

Oh good lord. Do you know how to use Pastebin?

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

13:23

@KitFox lol, are kidding me? I'm developer. Of course I know

David Wallace

37 mins ago, by KitFox

I can't believe I'm actually on track to finish these revisions by next Friday.

37 mins ago, by KitFox

But that means I ought to work today.

Just saying.

KitFox

I know, but people in need.

Appealing.

And appealing.

@TuralTeyyubogluAliyev You want to share it that way, or some other way?

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

@KitFox second plz

David Wallace

@KitFox It's none of my business.

KitFox

And anyway, I can do both. I'm that kind of awesome.

David Wallace

13:27

But how long do you think it will take you to dislump a half-hour-lump? (Apologies to A A Milne)

The last time I did something similar for someone, I strongly wished I hadn't bothered.

Tural Teyyuboglu Aliyev

@KitFox wrote you message in other room

KitFox

Yes, I saw.

@DavidWallace The time is mine to spend.

David Wallace

I know. I apologise for interfering.

Good night everyone. Enjoy the rest of your special day, @KitFox.

KitFox

Good night!

Jez

why the fuck are people voting to close this?

1

Q: Dealing with identity ranges for transactional replication

I've noticed that when you set up a transactional replication, SQL Server will set identity range management to manual. What this means is that in my subscription database, when I try to insert a new record into a table whose PK is an identity column, it will give me an error and say that it tri...

i have a horrible feeling one person voted to close, and some moronic sheep decided they must be right and copied the close vote

Matt Эллен

13:36

Yeah. I can't see why they'd vote like that

oh

well, maybe it would be better at Database Administrators

isn't this an admin issue?

Jez

possibly, but there are plenty of other similar question on SO that weren't closed

it also involves an element of programming because one solution to the problem might be me coding a program to go in and set identity column values

Matt Эллен

but maybe you'll get more views by more interested people there

true

Jez

hmm.

that point is a good'un

trouble is, now it would be a double-post

KitFox

Flag it for migration.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox it only need two more close votes to go there any way :D

Jez

13:46

grr this is a rather serious problem as well

definitely not going to use Entity Framework in future. it wouldn't have the option to avoid using identity columns for primary keys, i bet

O0oO0oOO0ooO

Guys, I figured out there are 4 types of English speakers

Matt Эллен

the good, the bad, the ugly and...

O0oO0oOO0ooO

1. People with great pronunciation and seems like they are very good in English but in reality, they are only good at English that they've been using at work or at his office

So when that person goes to an airport, he cannot understand a lot of words that is used at airport frequently

KitFox

Contextual speakers.

O0oO0oOO0ooO

2. People who haven't been exposed to native English speakers so his English sounds like broken but if you listen carefully to him, he knows quite a lot of vocabularies(more vocabularies than the first person) and grammar is almost perfect.

3. People who are learning English

4. Native English speakers

KitFox

13:58

What about people who are learning English?

O0oO0oOO0ooO

yeah

you are right

When I was in Australia, there were many people who are examples of case 1

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:41

good morning all

KitFox

Well hello, @Mr.Shiny.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Happy Birthday

KitFox

Thank you!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

my birthday is coming up soon too

Jez

@kit, don't suppose you have admin access to or contacts for stack overflow?

KitFox

14:42

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Really? Did I know that?

@Jez Like what?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox probably not. I don't advertise the date

Jez

like the ability to transition a question to another site

KitFox

Well, Happy Birthday to you too!

@Jez I'll see what I can do.

Jez

thanx

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Thanks! It's in 3ish weeks. On the anniversary of a major historical event.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

14:44

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 the moon landing?

Happy Birthday, @Kit!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 that didn't take long

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I remove?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

nah it's okay

btw I added a bunch of people to my G+ page.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Mine is augusto de ocho

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Since everyone was posting pages.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

14:45

:D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So if you see some guy with a goatee who doesn't look like a lego man sitting at a desk, it might be me.

KitFox

@Jez Did you flag it?

Jez

that seem a bit OTT

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 That day is frequently a holiday here.

Jez

cant you just reference its URL?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

14:46

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 not sure if serious.

Jez

i think they should add to the tag descriptions for things like database-replication "you should probably ask this question on dba."

KitFox

@Jez I asked, they said just to flag it and request migration.

Jez

ok flagged it

KitFox

I brought it to their attention as well, so it should move soon.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I really need to take a proper picture.

And make some coffee and pop tarts.

KitFox

14:49

I've got my new contacts in today. They are great!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 yeah, if it falls on a monday, it is a holiday.

Noah

@KitFox Do you wear lenses?

KitFox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 HA! Now you're on my G+ page!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

And if it falls on a sat or sun, then you get a long weekend instead of a holiday.

KitFox

@Noah Not usually, but now I do.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:51

@KitFox Just one more way for me to spread my propaganda

Noah

And do they help?

What's your G+ page?

KitFox

@Noah Help? They correct my vision, yes.

Matt Эллен

G stands for Grownups. so anyone older than a grown up can have one.

KitFox

Today, I am a grownup!

Matt Эллен

yay!

Noah

14:53

And so am I.

KitFox

I will have cake and popsicles and I might get a wireless controller.

Noah

I have lived for more than 16 years on this earth.

KitFox

@Noah No, you are clearly a baby in that picture.

Matt Эллен

ha! the first episode of Family guy was 14 years ago :D

KitFox

Anyway, older than 16 does not a grown up make.

To be counted as a grown up, your skull sutures must be completely ossified.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:57

KitFox

Which of course doesn't happen until about 24 years.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Bwahahahaha

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

These are actual places in Canada

Matt Эллен

you sure got big, red dildoes in Canada

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattЭллен oh, that's not a dildo. It's a marker, so you can find it if it's buried in snow.

KitFox

in Game Development, 6 mins ago, by Kikaimaru

maybe your mother is so big that she cant be allocated with a IPv6 address

Matt Эллен

14:58

oh :D how thoughtful

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox Shouldn't she just use BGP, and allocate a block of addresses?

KitFox

I posted your comment.

Matt Эллен

how can something be too big to have an address?

KitFox

It was funny.

Andrew Leach

Yes. It was funny.

Matt Эллен

15:03

Also, allocated doesn't take a preposition

KitFox

Yo mamma so fat, if she were an integer, she'd overrun her buffer.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattЭллен yeah it's not really clear. IPv6 has so many addresses that you could blanket the earth in a tiny grid of addresses and still have enough left over to do Mars.

Matt Эллен

Yes, it was funny. That's why I'm deconstructing it. To find the source of funny.

KitFox

But...but...that was the joke...

Andrew Leach

Happy birthday, by the way. (Have I got that right?)

KitFox

15:05

npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/07/02/197922760/…

Andrew Leach

(It's difficult joining a conversation half-way through)

KitFox

EEEEEEE!!!!

@AndrewLeach Thank you!

Jez

►

I DON'T WANT A DEAD DOG!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yo mama so fat, wireless vendors had to release 802.11n before it was standardized by the IETF in order to download pictures of her.

2

KitFox

You should go tell that in the Game Dev room.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:12

nah, I don't know anyone there

MετάEd

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That's a good one.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MετάEd thanks.

KitFox

You were supposed to remind me to run the year end process.

You naughty people.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

15:29

She added me a couple of months ago.

KitFox

Oh. Well. Then yes.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Sweet.

MετάEd

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yo mamma so fat, pictures of her broke TIFF compression scheme 6 (JPEG) so badly that it had to be replaced by scheme 7 (new JPEG). This is why HP multifunction printers can't scan her fat ass.

3

Shotgun Ninja

Yo mamma so fat, her doctor advised her to stop eating as much and to start a workout regimen.

MετάEd

@ShotgunNinja I'm American and I don't get it.

KitFox

15:35

giggles Maybe if he said it louder...

Shotgun Ninja

Anti-humor

Anti-humor is a type of indirect humor that involves the joke-teller delivering something which is deliberately not funny, or lacking in intrinsic meaning. The audience is expecting something humorous, and when this does not happen, the irony itself is of comedic value. Anti-humor is also the basis of various types of pranks and hoaxes. The humor of such jokes based on the surprise factor of absence of an expected joke or of a punch line in a narration which is set up as a joke. This kind of anticlimax is similar to that of the shaggy dog story In fact, some researchers see the "shagg...

Matt Эллен

Yo mamma's so fat, telling jokes about her is considered racism

3

KitFox

Yo mama so bloated, Spybot labels her as malware.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yo mama so fat, Microsoft named a filesystem after her, but then she outgrew its 2GB maximum partition size, so on her 32nd birthday they made a new one for her that could accommodate 16TB partitions, and they called it FAT-32.

3

KitFox

Hahaha

Shotgun Ninja

15:40

Yo mamma's so fat, not even Glenford J Myers wants to know what would happen if she overflowed.

MετάEd

FAT-32 lmao

people are staring at me

KitFox

Yo mama so fat, her process causes thrashing.

Shotgun Ninja

KitFox

Recursion ftw.

Matt Эллен

again?

KitFox

15:45

hee hee

287 unended interventions. Good lord.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yo mama's so fat, the "yo mama's so fat joke" I wanted to tell wouldn't even fit into one message.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox are those interventions where people don't accept that there is a problem?

KitFox

Haha. Those are literacy interventions.

Matt Эллен

Yo mana's so fat, you can cast your whole hand.

commute

Robusto

How about never?

Jez

15:54

@KitFox that question hasn't been migrated yet. can you prod them?

KitFox

OK.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Yo mama so fat, when she sit around the house, she sit around the house.

Jez

Yo mama so fat, she looked at the menu in a restaurant and said "yes please!"

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Yay, it's time for Hawaii 5-0

Jez

@KitFox on the plus side, he'd feel like every French movie was made for him at the end

Sudhir

16:22

Hi @AndrewLeach

Hi @KitFox

@KitFox: My question has't been answered yet?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

16:38

@Robusto :D

KitFox

@Sudhir I don't know, has it?

I need assistance! I got ketchup on my shirt. Should I change for the hot pink one or the lilac one?

I need to impress the woman I'm going to see!

in a tizzy

@cornbread Halps!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Lilac!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox The one without the ketchup.

KitFox

Yes! That's the one I'm putting on right now.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

This Hawai'i 5-0 has Christopher Walken.

KitFox

16:47

Make with the scootching!

Is it good or bad that my turquoise bra is showing through it just a little?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

:d

Is this for business or pleasure?

KitFox

Haircut.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Good.

KitFox

Woman I like. Horror movie date girl.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

It's good. Good.

Scootch.

KitFox

16:49

I meant about the Christopher Walken Simpsons thing with the scootching.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Yes!

KitFox

inhales

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

But I thought you had to be at haircut.

KitFox

exhales

I have about ten minutes before I have to leave again. I didn't want to appear too anxious.

practices nonchalance

Matt Эллен

ha! I've added you to my circle

KitFox

16:52

Ha what!?

Matt Эллен

that's right. you'er in a circle, now

KitFox

BAM! Right back at you.

Matt Эллен

KitFox

So should I get color this time or no?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I stopped.

Matt Эллен

16:58

yes

KitFox

What?

I confused.

Matt Эллен

do you want colour this time?

KitFox

I don't know.

Red is kind of nice.

Matt Эллен

I like red

KitFox

Goes with my freckles.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

17:33

@KitFox you don't have to declare that in advance?

@Matt I found you on the circles

Matt Эллен

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 :O

I have found you too!

brb. eating

MετάEd

18:07

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yo mamma so fat, her tape measure 64-bit clean.

tchrist

18:19

> Egypt's state news agency says the military has drawn up a plan to suspend the Islamist-backed constitution, dissolve the Islamist-dominated legislature, and set up an interim administration

What, again?

I never realized that Egypt was in South America.

I bet it’s the weather.

High heat leads to military coups.

I mean, when did Iceland or Norway ever have a military coup?

Or maybe it’s the water.

You know, from the Med.

Its shores seem to be ever volatile.

Matt Эллен

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattЭллен that looks comfy

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

That would be so heavy.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

oh! unless it has wheels at the bottom.

but here's the sad fact: that dress would turn yellow in sunlight faster than you can say "RegDwight and Mr. Shiny and New have too much Lego"

Matt Эллен

oh! wheels would work

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:34

I mean, if you're going to take the time to sculpt a lego dress, at least put hinges and wheels and stuff.

Matt Эллен

legosaurus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 true. I did wonder how she would get down the aisle

simchona

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Q: What is the oldest english proverb that is still in use?

I have heard tons of proverbs from elders and teachers and so have you most probably. However has the curiosity ever grown in you of what could the oldest proverb be? For those of you who don't know what a proverb is, please read on. A proverb is a saying that does not mean what it says literally...

idioms poetry proverbs cliche

This user wants the question reopened. Thoughts?

Matt Эллен

I don't know. I mean, you might as well ask "what's the newest proverb"

I don't think this will improve anyone's understanding of English

But maybe people will find it fun?

it is at least on topic

simchona

I don't think there's a real answer, though

Matt Эллен

nor do I

simchona

18:38

Someone could always find some other proverb that is seemingly older/still used in some capacity

Also, the second answer to this doesn't really add anything. At all.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

you'd need to define "proverb", "still in use", and rules for what constitutes an acceptable older form of the proverb. Then exhaustively search all proverbs and trace them back in time.

simchona

Can you maybe comment that on the original question? Or I can, if you don't want to be attached

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

sure

simchona

Thank you

> Note: By the the oldest proverb still in use, I mean as old as the birth of the language english but when I say still in use I mean still in use in the 21st century.

What's the birth of English

I feel like it was more of a slow evolution than a "TADA! I give you...ENGLISH"

Matt Эллен

aye

simchona

18:52

> A language is not like a baby, born at a specific time: one day no baby, next day and for long afterwards an entire baby, crying and doing its baby things.

From here

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

is the OP deleting comments, or something?

simchona

I don't see any deleted--why?

Matt Эллен

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 it's edited into the question

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