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marcellothearcane

8:00 PM

I was reading M.A.R.'s post

Pretty longish

@RegDwigнt so now my upvotes = 1?

M.A.R.

Not my fault, it kept going on.

marcellothearcane

That's cool

RegDwigнt

@marcellothearcane your upvotes are now OVER 9000.

marcellothearcane

Now I can annoy everyone who wants ten points for a vote

RegDwigнt

I just set the $dude variable accordingly.

marcellothearcane

8:02 PM

I'd prefer 1 to be honest

M.A.R.

@Cerb be the judge

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A: Is editing code in posts to remove gender frowned upon?

I'd originally answered this by saying that one should remove offensive language from code blocks, but that changing variable names and things around was probably not the best use of the peer review system. I've changed my opinion on that, and this is why: I originally thought "Well, variables?...

RegDwigнt

@marcellothearcane No, 1 is reserved for $girls.

M.A.R.

BBL

marcellothearcane

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Q: Meet Team DAG! (Developer Affinity & Growth)

Not quite dang. Not quite unless you see them at play in their native habitats which few will ever travel far enough to do. Sometimes, you really should pay attention to the folks moving around behind the curtains. We'd like to take a moment to introduce you to a very special product team at Sta...

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They should have asked us

RegDwigнt

@M.A.R. oh fuck I'm so not clicking on that.

marcellothearcane

8:03 PM

Developer Affinity 'N Growth

See? It wasn't that hard

RegDwigнt

The title alone gives me the shivers.

Nothing good can come out of it.

They should have renamed Team DAG into Team NWA. Then wait for the Internet kiddies to catch up with what that acronym stands for.

Straight outta Compton!

Jul 24 '15 at 12:43, by RegDwigнt

Fuck the polis for Rodney King. Fuck the polis for Darryl Gates. Fuck the polis for your freedom.

marcellothearcane

@RegDwigнt do you play any Mendelssohn?

I'm learning his first piano trio at the moment

RegDwigнt

@marcellothearcane dude, I mean, person, I'm nowhere at that level yet. I bought my violin last year like.

marcellothearcane

I bought mine about 2 years ago

RegDwigнt

See, that's why you're better than me.

Mitch

8:07 PM

That 'dude' stuff was a year ago.

RegDwigнt

Your birthday was a year ago.

marcellothearcane

On the pronoun thing, how are we to know what people prefer? I could say I hate being called them/they, which would screw the whole system up

Mitch

Also, unsurprisingly, somehow that controversy never really slid over to ELU.

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marcellothearcane

@Mitch Reg was sitting there looking scary, that's why

Mitch

@marcellothearcane I don't think things have been thought through

RegDwigнt

8:08 PM

@marcellothearcane I still do not understand the very question. How would you call anyone "them" in the first place? Nobody is talking with people in third person.

When we talk to people, we call them "you".

marcellothearcane

'Who's that, the cat's mother' will be my default response

RegDwigнt

And if you're talking about people behind their back, well there's your problem right there. Fix that one first.

marcellothearcane

The OP and his shitty question...

Sorry, their

RegDwigнt

It's common courtesy to call people by their screen name, and it's common courtesy to add an @ in front of it.

So when I talk about @snailboat, I don't need to know if he's a she, or if she's a they. All I need to know is @snailboat.

M.A.R.

@RegDwigнt AFAIK this is what's so effed up about the new possible changes.

How the heck are they planning for moderators to enforce pronouns?

RegDwigнt

8:11 PM

I can't even enforce you people to not post XKCD.

M.A.R.

Meh, probably just a blank statement of alleged inclusivity.

@RegDwigнt Yeah, well, there's an XKCD for that

RegDwigнt

"Meh" is a good summary.

Of the whole affair and my reaction to it, too.

Only on the Internet can you get people to resign over meh.

M.A.R.

@RegDwigнt Technically, nobody resigned over meh

As far as I know, one prolific mod was demodded from several sites so off-guard that they were even handling flags.

RegDwigнt

@M.A.R. True. Technically, everyone resigned over less than that.

M.A.R.

Whatever man person.

RegDwigнt

8:15 PM

@M.A.R. maybe they're like me. So busy handling flags that I can't be arsed to check my inbox with all the 9001 warnings in there how I'm about to get demoted.

That actually happened to me at least once here, and many times over in other places.

No point in sending me notifications. I do not read them if I have work to do.

And I certainly don't read them if I'm relaxing after all the hard work.

Cerberus

@Mitch Hah!

That would be funny.

@M.A.R. That should be put in a frame.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus Well it wouldn't be the first case of misattribution.

Don't need to think further than the Cuba Crisis we discussed yesterday.

> Caters has added discussion "Should I stick with Scherzo form or turn it into a Sonata?" in "Piano"

Uh, silly question. Do both and then call it variations.

Cerberus

@M.A.R. God, that's hilarious. People have gone crazy.

@RegDwigнt We discussed Cuba yesterday?

Because they have better healthcare than America?

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus no, silly you, by "we discussed yesterday" I obviously mean "I briefly informed you in passing two days ago".

It's a shorthand.

But yeah, we've discussed many times by now how the Turkey Crisis was re-labeled the Cuba Crisis because Khrustchov was a farmer boy with little experience in the dog-eat-dog world of politics.

And he didn't have a Cerberus on his team of advisors, either.

Cerberus

Uhh you've probably lost me in some joke too nuanced for me to penetrate.

RegDwigнt

8:27 PM

@Cerberus everyone has better healthcare than America. Even Sudan.

@Cerberus you lost yourself in all the jokes in here way before that.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Sudan? I find that hard to believe...

@RegDwigнt looks in jokes

I haven't found myself yet.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus You are so predictable.

Just why did I pick Sudan, do you think.

Precisely because it's such an egregious example it's obviously not meant for real.

I could have picked something more subtle, but then you'd bug me for hours on end how I meant that.

Then again, you're still doing just that with Sudan...

Hm. I need a more sophisticated approach.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt I estimated that at a 90% chance, 10% chance that somehow Sudan had much better healthcare than I imagined. Okay, maybe 1%.

I would know if that were the case, so it's probably more like zero.

RegDwigнt

Sudan's only healthcare is that nobody dies of any diseases or old age, because everyone gets shot to death by the age of 20.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt I will never fail you.

@RegDwigнt That does sound very American.

RegDwigнt

8:32 PM

Haha. Fair point well made.

Cerberus

Oh, you meant Sudan, yes.

Cerberus

9:20 PM

@RegDwigнt But this was also something that Monica wasn't allowed to do. If someone tells you he wants to be referred to as "they", you must do so. You're not allowed to recast the sentence or use a name instead. Of course anything can be done in a jarring, mocking way, but that wasn't what Monica had in mind, I'm sure.

RegDwigнt

9:33 PM

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Q: How can I write a reflection more spohistication?

I'm reflecting on an article and trying to state my beliefs but all I can say is "I believe that such an argument" or "I consider that this is best used". Does anyone have other phrases I can use? It would be really helpful I the phrases allow me to write in the active voice too.

phrases writing-advice

@Cerberus can I mention in a non-jarring, non-mocking way that this user's handle is "needinginteliigencene"?

They is making it really hard for me.

Anyway. Once again, easy solution: don't refer to that user at all.

If you want me to call you "naked Hitler", and I don't want to call you "naked Hitler", then I just won't call you, period.

Where's the problem.

And other people will do likewise. You'll make yourself an outcast. That's just how human society functions. It's always been that way.

It's just the basic fabric of all social interactions. You want to be a pain in the arse, you can be a pain in the arse, but then people will just ignore you and go hang out with someone fun instead.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt That wasn't allowed either.

@RegDwigнt Oh, Gosh, I thought you were joking. That is actually the poster's name.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus you can't forbid people from not talking.

Wait. That's not how English works.

You can't prevent people from not talking. And you can't forbid people to not talk.-

I can only talk about one thing at a time. And there's a trillion billion things out there. Only one of them is that user. It is actually very, very, hard to be talking about them and not football.

SE can't tell you "you are not allowed to not talk about cheese".

That's not even funny. That's not even stupid. That's just noise quickly leaving the aether for Andromeda.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt And yet that is what she was told.

RegDwigнt

Fine. Okay.

So I am telling you right now, you are not allowed to not talk about cheese.

Why is your immediate reaction to resign your mod duties?

Cerberus

E.g. in a chat room, you can't not talk about that user when you otherwise would.

M.A.R.

9:45 PM

@RegDwigнt She was de-modded.

RegDwigнt

Of course I can. I just click the "leave (all)" link.

M.A.R.

It wasn't a resignation

Cerberus

What MAR says.

RegDwigнt

@M.A.R. well at last someone in here is actually helpful. Thank you.

@Cerberus too little, too late.

I suggest you resign as a mod. You were not helpful at all.

M.A.R.

Yeah well, it's not a competition, but I can't hold back my smug helpful expression at the moment

RegDwigнt

9:46 PM

Sorry, I mean they were not helpful at all.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt mods you

RegDwigнt

I keep referring to people as "you". Racist prick, me.

Cerberus

@M.A.R. So ugly!

@RegDwigнt You know how you must refer to me, as My Master.

M.A.R.

The resignations are in protest. "If years of volunteer work don't mean shit, and you can lose the diamond for disagreeing with a future policy or some thoughtcrime, then screw it."

tchrist

@Cerberus As thou sayst.

Cerberus

9:48 PM

@tchrist !! You said thou!

RegDwigнt

Anyway. I wouldn't know how SE could hope to prevent you from clicking the "leave (all)" link by stripping you of your mod privs. If anything it'd only give you one reason more to do it faster.

tchrist

@Cerberus Art thou not one person, or are ye many?

Cerberus

@M.A.R. That, and the rule itself.

@RegDwigнt Yeah, it's unenforceable anyway.

@tchrist I thought you was originally plural as well?

RegDwigнt

@M.A.R. that is just silly. Don't these people realize that all our work on SE does not mean shit? Not because of SE, but because of the nature of the work.

You want your work to mean shit, draw a painting, write a book, compose a symphony.

Cerberus

I think that's in one of my answers somewhere...

M.A.R.

9:50 PM

@Cerberus Us muggles only ever got to be angry about the second part because we were damn sure Monica is as good as it gets arguing her case about these things, and enforcing what is logical or necessary.

tchrist

@Cerberus nom sg thou, nom pl ye, acc sg thee, acc pl you.

RegDwigнt

You want to clean up on the internet on some site that ten years from now might not even exist, and a hundred years from now definitely won't, and you're somehow surprised to realize all that work is for naught?

M.A.R.

We just assumed there was no malice on her part on disagreeing with the terms.

Cerberus

@M.A.R. Yeah, she argued well, as you can see in her post on the Jewish site.

M.A.R.

@RegDwigнt well not in that sense, dangit.

You're making me lose hair.

Cerberus

9:51 PM

And her second post on that same question.

tchrist

@M.A.R. No, your mother's father does that.

Cerberus

@tchrist Right, accusative it was!

M.A.R.

Yeah

RegDwigнt

@M.A.R. I am not being facetious for once. I really mean it. What do these people want their work to mean? How do they measure it? Why do they measure it?

M.A.R.

@tchrist My grandfather looked like an older Bryan Cranston

So, I guess.

RegDwigнt

9:52 PM

It's very easy to take your ball and go home. Especially once you realize that you'll die, the Sun will burn out and even if you did write a symphony it's all for nothing.

Cerberus

@M.A.R. I feel that her account of what happened is fair, but I'm not sure I have seen everything.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Soon enough.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Uhh you can just move to a different solar system?

RegDwigнt

Maybe even more to the point. How is any of this work? This here is not work. You want to know what work is, get a job.

This your spare time you're spending on here.

M.A.R.

More like unpaid labor.

RegDwigнt

9:54 PM

It's not labor if you don't do it.

tchrist

But for me and thee, ye no squirrels would have.

RegDwigнt

If you do it and they are clear up front they won't pay you, and you're still doing it, take it up with yourself.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Squeegee at the stoplight.

M.A.R.

I saw something somewhere that the average 100k'er (on SO I guess) has given the company 30 grand.

RegDwigнt

Of course. So?

They are not a shareholder.

M.A.R.

9:55 PM

If I read it, I would have remembered the reasoning

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Agreed.

RegDwigнt

How much have the average 100k'er given to Nestle? How much of that are they expecting to be paid back?

Cerberus

@M.A.R. That's fairly impressive.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Nine and ninety barrels of Nutella on the wall.

Cerberus

Though hard to estimate.

RegDwigнt

9:57 PM

It's an important question. It really is. Because those 30k Rob gave to SE, those weren't his 30k. These were other people's we don't even know. Some very rich people.

But to Nestle, he gave 30k of his own cash.

Cerberus

@tchrist Bleh, not Nutella.

I eat it every day and pray to Nestlé, but the Nutella shops are a plague around here.

RegDwigнt

Anyhoo. I'm just giving my unique perspective that you can't get anywhere else. Because on the one hand I've been part of the system forever, but on the other hand I know literally nothing about anything that's happening. That's a unique combo only I can give you.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Probably big companies who think their money spent on advertising is more effective than it really is.

RegDwigнt

Precisely.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt I love it.

M.A.R.

10:02 PM

@RegDwigнt We need it

RegDwigнt

I hope you do. Which is why I indeed intend to continue to never read any of the shit you link.

M.A.R.

Well, I really meant for the company. If they're not gonna respect that, they have no respect for any users, and not even pretending to. Common courtesy. And shit.

RegDwigнt

The stuff I would tell you if I read it all would be the same stuff you've heard fifty times before, just syphoned through me.

M.A.R.

@RegDwigнt Hey, if you read MuseScore for aMusement, who am I to stop you.

It sounds more fun anyway.

RegDwigнt

@M.A.R. I write music for amusement. I only happen to be on MuseScore because of that. And they bombard me with manure. And I'm not having any of that, so I just copypaste and dump it all on you instead.

I'm not reading that shit. Here, you read that shit now.

Should be my life's motto, really.

tchrist

10:06 PM

¿Cómo se puede hacer la concordancia gramatical de adjetivos con los pronombres neutros? Una persona linda, otro tío lindo, pero falta una forma para lo neutro. A lo mejor debemos utilizar un -u como los asturianos, pero esto sí me confunde un montón.

RegDwigнt

I was to the Spanish room earlier today. People spoke Armenian there, and Terdon was talking to me in Greek.

tchrist

He does that. It was probably Catalan.

RegDwigнt

The only thing I said was "I don't speak English" in Spanish, when someone tried to greet me in English.

I don't get the rules of that place.

tchrist

Ni puta idea.

Usually the Spanish room is all-Spanish.

Well, the one for es.so

RegDwigнt

@tchrist exactly my point. Except I'm making it in the most roundabout way.

Everyone spake in Spanish. So I spake in Spanish too but then some singularity collapsed somewhere, or maybe a tower in Mesopotamia.

And then it was just a free-for-all all of a sudden.

tchrist

10:10 PM

Rotondamente.

Insofar as a roundabout is a rotonda.

RegDwigнt

But yeah. Armenian of all things. And it got starred twice within seconds.

tchrist

cranks out Orff’s O Fortuna!

RegDwigнt

So there must've been like at least three Armenians lurking in there.

What they'd do in a Spanish room, I've no idea. Certainly they should all be in the French one.

tchrist

Gilles is gone.

RegDwigнt

I think someone said as much yesterday.

I've long lost track.

tchrist

10:13 PM

I liked him.

RegDwigнt

I do believe for a whole lot of people it's just an excuse to leave. Which I mean in a good way.

Moving on with their life. Always a good thing.

tchrist

I don't know. I read four hours of transcripts last night, and wish I hadn't.

I'd rather return to blessless ignorance.

RegDwigнt

I haven't read four hours of transcripts last night, and I also wish I hadn't.

You can have your cake and eat it, too. I've found a way.

tchrist

Last night I saw upon the stair, a transcript log that wasn't there.
It wasn't there again tonight, I wish I wish it saw no light.

RegDwigнt

That's beautiful. I should put it to music and sell it for $3000.

No sorry, I mean the new rate is 30k of course.

Cerberus

10:15 PM

@tchrist Haha. Poor Spaniards.

@RegDwigнt Could you understand it?

RegDwigнt

No, I only were there for a week. I can read like three letters reliably. The A and the S and something else.

Cerberus

@tchrist That might indeed have been better.

RegDwigнt

And then after that there's still the problem that even if you know what it says, you don't know what any of it means.

I can read Japanese. I do not understand a single word.

tchrist

@Cerberus Once you've fully assimilated automatic grammatical concord in your brain, it is very, very difficult to rewire that sticky wetware to use neorules.

RegDwigнt

Same with Armenian.

Cerberus

10:17 PM

@RegDwigнt Disappointing. It's just another Indo-European language.

RegDwigнt

2 days ago, by RegDwigнt

Anyway. This whole pronouns game is a very US thing and the rest of the world doesn't give a flying fuck.

Jul 26 at 11:50, by RegDwigнt

@CowperKettle Oh noes. The US can no longer contain all the morons. Them's spilling over to Russia now.

Cerberus

@tchrist Tell me about it.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus can you guess, from just that simple fact, what "thank you" would be in Armenian?

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt A wall would be nice.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt Morons Trump Borders.

RegDwigнt

10:18 PM

@Cerberus I told Trump as much. And then voted for him. With all my dummy Facebook accounts.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt No. I once looked up common words, and very few looked or sounded anything like other Indo-European languages I know.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus precisely.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt How Russian of you.

RegDwigнt

I am always very Russian of me.

But for the sake of completeness, it's "shnorhakalutchun".

Go find a cognate for that.

tchrist

Goes in tight?

RegDwigнt

10:21 PM

And people make fun of Russian when I tell them what "you're welcome" is in Russian.

Pfft. People.

They know nothing.

tchrist

But I thougth Pfft was German, not Russian.

RegDwigнt

They probably never even been to Armenia, like.

tchrist

Vienna has all the best pasties.

RegDwigнt

Yeah them's called Venus's Breasts.

Venusbrüstchen.

I wrote the Russian Wiktionary entry for that.

tchrist

I thought the Lady was third declension.

Venereally speaking.

RegDwigнt

10:23 PM

A true lady will decline every which way.

tchrist

O Venera, o mores!

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Fake!

@tchrist Correct!

@RegDwigнt Hah!

RegDwigнt

Yeah the tchun at the end is more like a t-yun, but it gets palatalized into closely resembling a "tch"

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Ohh, why didn't you say so.

RegDwigнt

I did just now.

Venusbrüstchen

= Немецкий = === Морфологические и синтаксические свойства === Ve-nus-brüst-chen Существительное, средний род, склонение s =. === Произношение === МФА: ед. ч. [ˈveːnʊsˌbʁystçən], мн. ч. [ˈveːnʊsˌbʁystçən] === Семантические свойства === ==== Значение ==== конд. вид шоколадных пралине с начинкой из жареных каштанов, ликёрных чёрных вишен «Амарена» и нуги, букв. «маленькие груди Венеры» из-за внешнего вида (фото) === Этимология === От нем. Venus (Венера), Brust (грудь) и уменьш.-ласк. суффикса -chen-....

What, no pix? There used to be pix.

I guess female breasts are not gender-neutral enough now.

tchrist

10:26 PM

No pr0n in this chat.

RegDwigнt

I like how after what, twelve? fourteen? years, that's still the only language that article exists in.

Not even the bots picked it up and copied a stub.

@tchrist it wasn't prOn, them was like green.

Maybe it's prOn if the only women you ever saw were in Guardians of the Galaxy.

tchrist

Verde verde te quiero verde.

RegDwigнt

Ah, the photo is external. It was not on Commons and embedded. It's linked from the text.

Except the link is dead.

tchrist

Verde que te quiero verde.
Verde viento. Verdes ramas.
El barco sobre la mar
y el caballo en la montaña.

RegDwigнt

Didn't Berners-Lee say "good links don't die"?

But that was even more decades ago.

Nowadays nobody knows how to set up an .htaccess anymore.

tchrist

10:30 PM

I know.

Verdes ranas y jamón.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Aww too bad.

@RegDwigнt Are you trying to say thank you in Azeri, this time?

(Nah, I have edited .htaccess myself in the past.)

RegDwigнt

Actually you got me thinking if I ever knew that one.

I know Turkish, obviously. Teşekkür ederim.

So I'm guessing Azeri would be close.

tchrist

Sounds like Tocharian.

RegDwigнt

I was missing the cedilla.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt That's long. I don't remember thanking that long when in Turkey.

RegDwigнt

10:33 PM

təşəkkür edirəm

is what Google Translate tells me.

Cerberus

@tchrist That's an old joke.

RegDwigнt

For Azeri, that is.

tchrist

@Cerberus As am I.

RegDwigнt

So yeah. I guess it's like Romanian and Moldovian.

@Cerberus well what did you say, Mister Naseweiß?

Cerberus

@tchrist And as is Tocharian.

@RegDwigнt I didn't know those Turkic languages were still that close!

RegDwigнt

10:36 PM

I always knew it but never checked.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt I really don't remember.

But Naseweiß?

RegDwigнt

Like I still vaguely remember the declension tables were all but identical.

tchrist

@Cerberus You prefer brown?

RegDwigнt

Apparently ekmek in Azeri is çörək. That's interesting.

Cerberus

@tchrist Racist.

RegDwigнt

10:38 PM

(Bread)

tchrist

@Cerberus Verde que te quiero verde.

RegDwigнt

şemsiye is çətir

(umbrella)

Oh! Yaprak is yarpaq.

(tree leaf)

So metathesis, eh.

Just like with ederim-edirəm.

It just occurred to me that I know the weirdest words.

Feb 5 '11 at 14:07, by Kosmonaut

So, for example, I know that in the language of Nakanai, they do infixation as part of their standard grammar that is similar to the way that hip-hop artists do iz-infixation ("house" -> "hizouse")

Cerberus

@tchrist What does that mean? Green which I like you green?

RegDwigнt

Feb 5 '11 at 14:08, by Kosmonaut

But could I so much as say hello in Nakanai? No.

@Cerberus green that you really like.

tchrist

@Cerberus Fresh, alive, vibrant, growing.

Cerberus

10:42 PM

@RegDwigнt And I thought I was bad at closing tabs...

tchrist

The aroma of youth.

Cerberus

OK.

tchrist

poets.org/poem/romance-sonambulo

Cerberus

But how do you translate it literally?

tchrist

It's not a great translation, and there's no poetic explanation, but the Spanish is right.

Cerberus

10:43 PM

@RegDwigнt That can't be right?

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus I was joking duh. Making a pun on "de verdad".

Green that te quiero de verdad.

tchrist

@Cerberus It's green but the connotation is of vibrancy not jealousy.

Cerberus

Bad owl.

tchrist

Here.

RegDwigнt

Green has a connotation of jealousy? I thought that was yellow.

tchrist

10:44 PM

I studied poetry under one of Vicente Aleixandre’s catamites.

RegDwigнt

It's all made up anyway. Like language itself.

Cerberus

But how do I parse it? Judging by that translation, "green, (oh) how I like you, green"?

RegDwigнt

> Big hoarfrost stars

tchrist

@RegDwigнt In English, one is green with envy. Not in Spanish.

RegDwigнt

I'm sorry I thought it said "translated into English"?

@tchrist oh that.

But envy != jealousy.

Anyway who is hoarfrost.

tchrist

10:45 PM

@Cerberus These "que"s are sometimes hard to translate literally.

RegDwigнt

I know how to say tree leef in Azeri but I don't know how to say hoarfrost in any language that I know?

tchrist

@RegDwigнt The sierra has seen snow already.

RegDwigнt

Oh is that what you call Rauhreif.

You silly people.

Иней in Russian. Even shorter.

You should put your hoarfrost in some books or something, so people can actually read it and know it exists.

Cerberus

@tchrist "How" makes enough sense, if it is accurate?

RegDwigнt

The song that I published today had hoarfrost in it.

And I never even wondered what the English word would be.

tchrist

10:49 PM

@Cerberus Verde here is closer in meaning to something lascivious.

RegDwigнt

Of course it is. The whole poem reads very needy.

Cerberus

@tchrist That wasn't what I was wondering about, just the syntax.

tchrist

Green, how I desire you, green.
Green wind. Green branches.
The ship upon the sea
and the horse in the mountains.
With the shade wrapped about her waist
she dreams on her balcony,
green flesh, a green coat,
with eyes of cold silver.
Green, how I desire you, green.
Beneath the gypsy’s moon,
all things follow her
yet she sees them not.

RegDwigнt

It's as if Dali wrote it.

Though he'd've probably thrown in a couple more mannequins rotting in taxis.

tchrist

Remember that ¡Qué lástima! or ¡Qué pena! translate best as "How X!".

RegDwigнt

10:53 PM

Well it's the same in Dutch.

So I'm not sure what's throwing Cerberus off.

Cerberus

I'm not surprised it can be translated as how; I just didn't think of it because of the lack of commata.

tchrist

> What sort of a poem can get you murdered? This one. "Romance Sonambulo" is one of Lorca's most popular poems, and it magnificently represents his passion for this country, its people, and for the supreme power of the imagination. It's designed to shake things up, and go against the grain of traditional poetry.

Published in 1928, just eight years before his death, this poem appeared as part of a collection of work that celebrated the passion and intensity of the gypsy people who, even today, dance in the hillside caves around Lorca's hometown of Granada.

RegDwigнt

@tchrist much ado about nothing.

It's very tame by today's standards.

One reason more for people to not resign over changes in policy.

tchrist

They say his body was fed to the dogs, the crows, the crabs.

RegDwigнt

Well that's the Spanish for you. Shrug.

tchrist

10:55 PM

Fachas.

RegDwigнt

They've done worse things to less deserving people.

tchrist

I can understand people not feeling safe.

The tides of trouble are again rising.

RegDwigнt

I feel more sad for people like Webern. Who just sat there in his house creating just as revolutionary art but of no notice to anyone, and he survived the war and then some GIs came over to search his house for some papers, and then he stepped out onto the porch to smoke a cigarette, and bumped into another GI who was so startled he just pulled the trigger in a kneejerk reaction and killed him dead.

Now that's the stupidest fucking tragedy.

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