English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

marcellothearcane

7:48 AM

@RegDwigнt Who is ~~she~~ they?

marcellothearcane

9:15 AM

Violinist Anne-Sophie Mutter stops mid-concerto as audience member starts filming

Matt E. Эллен

> “I was shocked. Music is best live, period. Turn your phones off. Listen. Experience. Feel. Know.”

lol. b.s.

one can quite easily experience and record

I'm not saying it's cool to record, I'm saying this reasoning holds no water

just because you're too old to hold a phone still, while listening to music, doesn't mean we all are

marcellothearcane

1:27 PM

@MattE.Эллен Yeah, my biggest issue with it is how distracting it'd be for the soloist - especially in the front row

See youtu.be/kdIImIFXazk at about 4 minutes

Matt E. Эллен

@marcellothearcane yeah, I can think of valid reasons to not want it.

Personally, I don't want to be recorded by strangers, and get anoyed when i'm forced to walk in front of a camera toting tourist

marcellothearcane

Well there's an expectation to be filmed at major performances - but discreetly by authorised film crews who don't have their arms up and bright glowy screens showing.

Eviscerate their selfie sticks

Matt E. Эллен

1:42 PM

@marcellothearcane yes, discreet is the key, I think

a spy camera in a lapel :D

marcellothearcane

Dear mods, please help:

Hello, why do I think what I do ? What do you mean ? ahah But yeah actually I think its suits LanguageLearners better, haven't thought of it, could you transfer my question to that forum please ? — DevMoutarde 3 mins ago

Matt E. Эллен

hmmmmmm. I think ell will hate me if I migrate that

marcellothearcane

@MattE.Эллен Exactly! She wouldn't have even noticed. Problem solved, and no desecration of Beethoven required.

@MattE.Эллен Should I have flagged it? Does marking as declined mean ELU systems hates me?

Or is it only denied ones?

Matt E. Эллен

@marcellothearcane I've improved it a bit and migrated it. we'll see what happens...

@marcellothearcane yeah, flagging is fine. don't worry about having flags declined, it doens't leave a bad mark against your account.

it's more a teaching tool (I guess) for site policy

marcellothearcane

1:59 PM

@MattE.Эллен oh okay. I thought if you had too many declined you were banned from flagging or something.

Matt E. Эллен

@marcellothearcane I'm not sure, but it would have to A LOT of flags, so not something a normal user need worry about. One or two now and again is normal

one or two being declined, that is

@marcellothearcane looks like you're allowed 10 declined flags a week?

RegDwigнt

> I am a Piano player Arranging for Strings! So.....QUESTIONS hahahah

I'd totally help you if you didn't word it that way, you plum.

@MattE.Эллен yeah part of the reasoning as stated is BS, but the overall sentiment and attitude is spot on.

And you're simply not allowed to record for legal reasons anyway. They should be happy she didn't grab their phone to call the police.

Matt E. Эллен

2:14 PM

@RegDwigнt yeah, I was thinking that too. she paid for a ticket to listen, not record (and probably share)

RegDwigнt

It's Anne-Sophie Mutter, for fuck's sake. You should be grateful you were even allowed on the premises.

Ticket or no ticket, it's basic human courtesy.

Matt E. Эллен

I just get frustrated when people say "tch, you're enjoying it wrong"

RegDwigнt

The very fact that someone has to explain it to them shows they're basically a psychopath.

@MattE.Эллен well in the heat of the moment when you're just trying to not say "fuck off asshole", you probably don't choose the best arguments to coat it over with.

Matt E. Эллен

@RegDwigнt yeah, that's true

RegDwigнt

She'd probably have something more fine-tuned prepared if this were a common thing.

But yeah. I hate having parquet tickets, I can tell you. Even when people aren't filming, they can't keep their fucking mouths shut for a mere five minutes.

I usually sit somewhere on the balcony all by myself.

Mind you, the kind of venues I'm talking about is where the average age of the audience is well above 60. You'd think they'd have manners. But they do not.

If as you say they could actually hold up the phone without their arms falling off after five seconds, I have a hunch some of them totally would.

Matt E. Эллен

2:21 PM

Well, why have manners when you might have a heart attack at any moment

:p

Mitch

@marcellothearcane sorry if it looks like I'm jumping all over you. I just saw something wrong on the internet and it had to be corrected.

@MattE.Эллен clutches chest

@RegDwigнt takes out cough drop

spends a minute crinkling it open

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch was a good user. He'll be sorely missed. If only he'd not had duch good manners he'd have got more done.

RegDwigнt

@MattE.Эллен Yes, that's the whole advantage of old age. And I'm fine with that and I'm quite looking forward to it myself. Point is, I'm not talking about having manners at all times ever, just this one time for an hour or so where you specifically came to knowing it's expected.

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch looks like you got better!

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен That old bastard?

RegDwigнt

2:24 PM

You can go around saying "fuck you I'm old" 24/7. Just not that one time you get to talk to the Queen.

Matt E. Эллен

@RegDwigнt oh yeah, I agree. people should be quiet at a performance

Mitch

@RegDwigнt First word to the queen when I meet her? 'No'

and then turn backwards to her

maybe fart

RegDwigнt

I'd ask her for a fiver.

Mitch

that would be icing on the cake

or rather a fart on the cake

but that's just vulgar

RegDwigнt

You'd walk away with nothing. I'd walk away with five bucks. Noob.

Mitch

2:25 PM

She doesn't carry money

just sayin

RegDwigнt

That's what all people say who do carry money.

Mitch

you'd walk away disppointed

I'd walk away with GI relief

RegDwigнt

She has a few pounds and a few euros with her at all times.

Mitch

I don't think it's nice to talk that way about the queens weight

RegDwigнt

And anyway, she wouldn't need to give it to me herself, she'd ask a servant.

Mitch

2:27 PM

She has some bills stashed in her socks, but she ain't giving that up for you

Matt E. Эллен

The royal stink pound

Mitch

What does she have .a back problem? She can't get up walk over and hand it to you?

RegDwigнt

@Mitch Of course she is. How would she know I'm not a king and she can't say no to me.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt And there's the sham that is British monarchy.

RegDwigнt

Like, why would I even talk to her if I weren't a king.

Mitch

2:28 PM

She may be queen but maybe I'm king and commander in chief_

maybe also exchqueuer of the realm ... checks wallet ... of 3 dollars.

RegDwigнt

You can't just walk up to the queen and ask for five bucks if you're a bin man like. That's how she knows that if I'm doing it it's legit.

Anyway I must be off to give piano lessons.

Mitch

Diplomacy: follow some other country's crazy-ass rules so you can invade them.

Matt E. Эллен

@RegDwigнt must be taken twice daily with dinner

have fun!

Mitch

Oops, sorry, that gave away my plans to invade the UK on KLM flt 84 next week.

Matt E. Эллен

next week? before our defences go up. good plan

Mitch

2:32 PM

Wait... is something going on in the news in the next two weeks?

Is the bridge over the Forth having congesting causing maintenance?

That would ruin all my plans.

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch on Nov. 1st Great Britain will reveal that all the wind farms are in fact turbo propellers that will lift the island into the air and carry it down into the tropics, where it's always sunny and we can all retire as millionaires

Mitch

Serios question: suppose you're a British retiree in the south of France. Can you update your travel visa by visiting Italy for a day and getting your passport stamped?

Matt E. Эллен

No idea

right now you don't need a travel visa

Mitch

Spoken like a true spy

Matt E. Эллен

so it's not possible to do

Mitch

2:36 PM

for which side I don't know

@MattE.Эллен but but but with the 'changes' coming soon, won't you have to have a visa to non-insular Europe?

relevantly though...

[Two wind turbines in a field.

One says to the other, "what music do you like"?

"I'm a big metal fan".](https://twitter.com/really_rural1/status/1178905169788055553)

goddam you oneboxing

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch yes (I assume, the deal hasn't been signed, so who really knows)

@Mitch :D

Mitch

puns are the lowest form of humor

Matt E. Эллен

but also the best

Mitch

hmmm..I'm think poop jokes and falling down are lower.

But for those you don't have to say 'Get it?' until they nod in a weak smile, wishing you would just die already.

Matt E. Эллен

lol

that's what makes them so great

Mitch

2:40 PM

Yeah. The Dad Jokes twitter feed has good puns which is actually against the meaning of the title because dad joke are supposed to be puns that don't work very well.

Like the 'Make me a sandwich' non-joke.

Matt E. Эллен

bam you're a sandwich

Mitch

haha

not really

Matt E. Эллен

:D

Mitch

just saying 'you're a sandwich' doesn't really work

I've tried

doesn't work

You know. Science.

Matt E. Эллен

Science: the cause and solution to many of life's problems

Mitch

2:44 PM

ugh...it's like making you go back to school to figure out how to get this vending machine off me.

marcellothearcane

Weird - I can see deleted stuff

Matt E. Эллен

is it your post?

marcellothearcane

Is that because I have a deleted answer on it, or has some nice person donated 4k rep?

Nuh-uh

Matt E. Эллен

I'm not sure, but I would guess it's because you have a deleted post there

It would probably be hard to have an answer isolated from its question

or maybe they wanted to leave you with the required context to know why you answered how you did

marcellothearcane

Funky. I can pretend I'm important.

Matt E. Эллен

2:51 PM

:D

Mitch

That's how 'important' people do it.

marcellothearcane

Exactly. You can see things that you can do nothing about.

Mitch

Say anything with confidence and people respect it as authoritative.

But don't yell, that's too needy.

I was about to type that in all caps but...

Everyone will recognize the eternal truth of what you're saying.

Also use full stops

But not in IM length posts.

It's what the kids do

@marcellothearcane That was a question that was probably better asked on puzzles.SE.

@Zoethetransgirl @Loong is something going on? Did someone get flagged here?

marcellothearcane

@Mitch No problem, by the way

Jump to your heart's content.

Or should that be 'till'?

I never know

Matt E. Эллен

to, afaik

marcellothearcane

3:02 PM

But why? Your heart's content isn't some thing up high

Mitch

@marcellothearcane oh. I already did in the comments to that answer to that deleted question. And the OP deleted the question because they came up with a sufficient answer themselves ('-ability' and 'ability')

@marcellothearcane Mine is.

marcellothearcane

I'd recommend getting a ladder

Or get Reg to pick you up. Sure he wouldn't mind

Mitch

is it 'Your heart is conTENT' or 'The CONtent of your heart'

marcellothearcane

I've always said it conTENT

Zoe the transgirl

@Mitch Nope, I'm just here to lurk.

Mitch

3:04 PM

"The next person that tells me that they are impressed that I made it through yoga will get punched in the face."

marcellothearcane

like the dolphins

Mitch

Namaste, mofos.

Matt E. Эллен

@marcellothearcane I think content is a noun there

marcellothearcane

@Zoethetransgirl make sure you do it discreetly, or we'll fling you and your phone unceremoniously out

Mitch

@Zoethetransgirl Nice. We have lots of lurking material.

marcellothearcane

3:05 PM

At least we'll get Sophie-Mutter to. She's on a roll

Matt E. Эллен

e.g. jump to the contentment of your heart

Mitch

@marcellothearcane They can stay, but the phone will have to wait outside.

Also, those shoes.

Zoe the transgirl

@marcellothearcane Oh. OH! So I should probably put my phone on silent? :P

Mitch

@marcellothearcane She used to be so young.

marcellothearcane

Please use quiet voices

@MattE.Эллен oh yeah.

Mitch

3:07 PM

@marcellothearcane and then boost the volume on the phone because I can't hear you.

marcellothearcane

Wait. That's not how to enjoy this at all.

Matt will explain.

Mitch

The contents of my heart are, however, constantly spilling out.

PLEASE USE QUIET VOICES

Matt E. Эллен

enjoy it to your heart's content

Mitch

There, fixed.

marcellothearcane

Weirdly, they are spilling in at roughly the same volume

@Mitch NO SHOUTS IN CHAT

Mitch

3:09 PM

@marcellothearcane goddamit. what a mess.

marcellothearcane

If either was slightly different, you would probably have cause for concern

I'm now wondering how you'd pour more in than out

Mitch

a really big heart

marcellothearcane

But it'd still be the same

Transfusions maybe

Or if you were dracula

MITCH IS DRACULA

Matt E. Эллен

sponges

Mitch

5:54 PM

[SOMEONE: “i hate political correctness!”

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS: “i actually prefer to be called ‘compassion’”

SOMEONE: “but that makes it harder for me to say that i hate it”

COMPASSION: “i understand”](https://twitter.com/myqkaplan/status/1174006054751023104)

KannE

@Mitch Ha-ha, I thought you were speaking figuratively...because the cicadas have been gone for a while now, I think. But they were loud AF...literally couldn't sit outside. It was like I was trapped in a Pinto with a guy who thought his $69 Cisco system was "the heat!"...yeah, buddy. Anyhow, I live in the sandhills, not the foothills, so I don't really know about them, have only pulled a carcass off a tree maybe 5 times.

Mitch

@KannE Cicadas aren't as common as you go toward the ocean?

I have fond memories of not being able to hear anything but buzzing in the evening all summer. If I bothered to go outside. I love AC.

KannE

6:37 PM

@Mitch - They say, but I dunno...they loved Kinston one year (around 70 miles from the beach; less than 50 years ago). My grandpa told me he had a "cicada tree"--it was covered; I thought it was the color of the bark...like a honey tree. My cousins just laughed and laughed; then they all stood around the tree--pick and clap--Crunch! Or balling up their fists--crackle, crackle. I'm still traumatized. But I think the climate has changed.

KannE

7:03 PM

@Mitch Yes, I've always enjoyed that, but this year...I typed "Cisco" but I meant...something that sounded like cinco? Do you remember when electronics were expensive? Well, this was no...S-something. I can't remember sh*t today. Anyway, it hurt my ears like that this year. Of course, there's a word for the sound (chirp-squeal is not it) that a cheap speaker would make, but...where on Earth could one find all these lost words?

Mitch

9:01 PM

Cicada

The cicadas ( or ) are a superfamily, the Cicadoidea, of insects in the order Hemiptera (true bugs). They are in the suborder Auchenorrhyncha, along with smaller jumping bugs such as leafhoppers and froghoppers. The superfamily is divided into two families, Tettigarctidae, with two species in Australia, and Cicadidae, with more than 3,000 species described from around the world; many species remain undescribed. Cicadas have prominent eyes set wide apart, short antennae, and membranous front wings. They have an exceptionally loud song, produced in most species by the rapid buckling and unbuckling...

Cerberus

Are they chirping?

Mitch

> The song is loud enough to cause permanent hearing loss in humans should the cicada be at "close range".

@Cerberus Crickets chirp. The cicada noise is very similar in sound to crickets.

And easily called crickets instead of cicadas by sound.

but

the cicada sound doesn't evoke the word 'chirp'

it's more of a buzz

like a chainsaw

but louder

Cerberus

9:24 PM

@Mitch Yikes.

I have heard various such animals...make their sounds.

Though I was never sure which animals they were.

Immortal

9:42 PM

hi

Cerberus

Greetings.

Immortal

thanks

Cerberus

How did you become immortal?

Immortal

hmm, do you see this is logical?

Cerberus

I don't know?

Immortal

9:46 PM

i mean the meaning of immortal to be an adjective for me

Cerberus

Certainly, why not?

I was born immortal because my parents were both immortal, I think.

Immortal

depending on

what you know about immortality

Cerberus

This is mummy.

Immortal

so?

Cerberus

Daddy (I think).

So two immortal creatures generally give birth to an immortal child.

Immortal

9:49 PM

oh yea?

sounds good

Thank you.

no,thank you

For what?

for you thank me

How polite of you.

9:51 PM

you two

Cerberus

I am three.

Immortal

haha

David M

1

A: Clean Words for the Money?

I would probably translate it to: Telling it like it is. This is an expression that means being upfront without any pretense. It could also be translated to: Offering my two cents. This means sharing my opinion in a plain manner. I like this as a translation because it retains the s...

Gotta love this one ... OP wants everyone to tell him his idiomatic expression from Norwegian is perfectly understandable in English.

Immortal

but its understandable for me

@Cerberus how did you know that pinterest is called pinimg?

Cerberus

@DavidM Ouch.

David M

9:55 PM

I wouldn't take his meaning directly.

Cerberus

Of course you are right that his expression did not make sense in English.

Apparently he fell over your phrasing it.

Immortal

yes maybe

Cerberus

New users are sensitive: they will see disparagement where you intended mere fact.

@Immortal I didn't?

I just copied the link out of Google Images.

Immortal

@ce

@Cerberus i see*

David M

@Cerberus I don’t usually go after people. But, he was being a dick.

He's still going.

Cerberus

10:01 PM

@DavidM Ignore him!

I understand your frustration: he just doesn't get it.

But are you going to convince him this way?

David M

@Cerberus to be honest, I'm just having fun with him at this point. He's being a putz, and I'm keeping it pretty civil.

Cerberus

@DavidM He's a new user.

Whenever a new user hears something that can be interpreted as negative, he may feel attacked.

So it would be most compassionate to just ignore him...

He's obviously flailing.

Immortal

@david sorry, i replied directly at first, i am not that good at English

Cerberus

@Immortal David was not talking about you!

David was talking about the user in the question which David posted above.

Immortal

@Cerberus yeah i know he is talking about the post's owner

but at first i said its understandable

and i really understood it , but from the context not as native speaker ,thats it

@cerberus i hope you get what i type :)

David M

10:26 PM

@Immortal your English is very good.

Cerberus

@Immortal Ah, yes, I understand now.

David M

And, I took no offense at your statement. I assumed you probably had some context to it.

Cerberus

@Immortal I didn't realise you were building on that earlier line of yours, but now it's clear.

David M

10:42 PM

@FrodeBjørdal Oh, yes, thanks to your timely scolding, my whole life will now be rescued. I can only imagine the trajectory it might have taken had you not posted here. I will report to my local center for reeducation.

Ok. This one might have been over the top. 😂

Cerberus

@DavidM Oh, please.

You're being just as bad as he is!

KannE

@Cerberus The sound was different this year...like the worst sound system in the world (cheaply made in the 80s; I can't recall the brand now) turned all the way up...like tin and paper made an abomination, and they gave it birds of prey and rattlesnakes to play with...just horrible. I was sitting in the shade at the time, under mature trees. Maybe they were in those, but I didn't see them.

Cerberus

@KannE Oh, dear.

Were they bothering you more this year than in other years?

David M

@Cerberus True. I'll delete my comment.

Cerberus

@DavidM Good!

David M

10:58 PM

@Cerberus In all fairness, this was the one that set me off

If you must congratulate me it needs to be on account of my achievements. I hope you realize the stark silliness of what you have been doing here and rectify your ways. – Frode Bjørdal

@KannE I hate cicadas!!!

Cerberus

@DavidM Yeah, that was weird.

But try to take into account what it is like to be a new user on a site.

David M

I attempted to be friendly at first. But, he went from 0-alpha dick in 30 seconds.

Or would that have been alpha-dick

?

Cerberus

11:18 PM

@DavidM He misinterpreted the tone of your "meaningless" comment.

Being a thin-skinned new user.

KannE

@Cerberus I dunno, my outdoor sitting area is between a large maple and 3 trees (an equilateral triangle--a dogwood and two tall pines). My husband decided to leave the triangle "natural" for years and years until I noticed lots of holes in the ground around the tree nearest me (the dogwood)...disturbing, but I don't know what it is. Did he build a cicada nest? He did actually build a frog house...in my area. Smh...

Cerberus

@KannE If your husband is building secret cicada nests, you know something's wrong.

KannE

Just FYI, I'm scared of frogs...and have hearing loss, maybe more now. Jeez...I just want an apartment with a balcony and a tomato plant! All these old trees are a liability.

Cerberus

You could seal off part of your house, live in the two rooms as an apartment, build a balcony, and buy a tomato plant?

Robusto

11:44 PM

What's all this about tomato plants?

Cerberus

Shocking, huh.

Robusto

Not unless tomatoes became electrified since last I looked.

I just had some tomatoes in a salad, and I presume they came from plants.

Romaine lettuce, carrots, radishes, cucumbers, tomatoes, crumbled feta cheese, croutons, bits of smoked salmon, oil & vinegar dressing—that's what I call a salad. Quite filling as well.

Cerberus

Excellent combination.

KannE

@Cerberus Or...I could just move in to my sister's spare room at the beach. It's becoming an option. I just went outside and remembered--the circle of trees by the pond that he decided to leave "natural"--our yardman refused not to rake it and discovered a snake den--a small area of ground moving like a waterbed. He just make a hole with a stick, filled it with gasoline, and lit it up. Now, there's a sound you don't want to hear...not nearly as loud as cicadas, but more I'm-in-hell sounding.

Cerberus

Oh, dear.

KannE

11:49 PM

I really love Better Boy tomatoes; they're more acidic or something.

David M

@KannE That's the problem with going outside, there's all that nature and it can get on you . . .

Robusto

Nature can get you inside, too, if you're not careful.

KannE

But my scouts (hubby and son) just brought home food! So you don't have to help an old lady not die outside (by raking) if you can keep them inside with food. It's a good turn. Good evening, all.

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