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> This past March we added Olive Eggers and Light Sussex, who lay olive green and pink eggs, respectively. And with that, I believe my mission will be accomplished to have a flock that lays every possible egg color.

I do not believe that robins have blue poo.

But they have robin’s-egg–blue eggshells, by definition.

hi

> The blue color goes right through the shell, unlike the brown. So blue eggs are blue inside and out, while brown eggs are brown on the outside and white on the inside.

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> Only three breeds of chickens lay blue eggs, Cream Legbars, Araucanas and Ameraucanas. The blue color is created by oocyanin, which is produced in the bile and applied early in the laying process.

That word, oöcyanin, just makes so much sense.

> oocyan /ˌoʊoʊˈsaɪən/ Gr. κύανος a dark-blue mineral, a blue pigment occurring in the shells of birds’ eggs.

I still would rather it were oöcyan.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist where are you getting that?

@Bobthezealot Hello.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The article you posted doesn't mention fecal anything

5:06 AM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Cerb asked whether it was dyed via poo.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist where did he get the idea that it was?

I didn’t think that that was right, but this is the first I have ever read anything about the dyeing process.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Only he knows.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah I don't think it's right either

Otherwise washing would be critical, and frankly, it would be bad for the chicks.

Funny that US&CA require washing of eggs but the UK&EU forbid it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

the egg starts in the ovary and goes down a specialized duct where the shell is formed and dyed and then it comes out a special hole. I don't think that same duct is used for pooping.

5:08 AM

What I want to know is which came first? 😜

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist yeah I've discussed that with cerb before. one thing that we found, after googling, was that the health regulations (and therefore the incidence of salmonella) varies by jurisdiction.

@skullpatrol start with clear definitions and then the answer is obvious.

anyway i'm off to bed. cya later.

The ostrich egg — its ovum — is the largest animal cell in current existence.

Later pal

Hm, oögenesis takes the diacritic.

> 1875 Sorby in Proc. Zool. Soc. 355 ― Oocyan··is··often associated with yellow substances··therefore the solution is of a somewhat green-blue colour.
1875 Newton in Encycl. Brit. III. 774 ― Some chemical relation between the oocyans and the bile.

> ooscopy /oʊˈɒskəpɪ/ Gr. ὠοσκοπία, inspection of or divination from eggs

An oometer measures eggs via oometry.

For colors, there’s oocyan, oorhodeine, and ooxanthine — all with the obvious meanings.

In other words, eggs use a CMY color model. :)

> 1875 Sorby in Proc. Zool. Soc. 356 ― Emu-eggs··are of a fine malachite green colour, due to a mixture of yellow ooxanthine with oocyan.
1875 Sorby in Proc. Zool. Soc. 357 ― Rufous ooxanthine··differs from yellow ooxanthine in absorbing light to a··greater distance from the blue end

> 1875 Sorby in Proc. Zool. Soc. 354 ― Oorhodeine··occurs··in the shells of such a great number of eggs that its entire absence is exceptional.
1875 Newton in Encycl. Brit. III. 774/2 ― Inclined to think that oorhodeine is in some way or other closely related to cruentine.

This Sorby guy was definitely the eggman.

:-O Newton wrote in the Britannica?

Now I know why Einstein wrote an article in it also.

5:31 AM

@Mahnax Boo!

Hi.

@Mahnax Has school started?

Nope, not until September.

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@Mahnax Hello Mahnax. How is your education going?

🐔 or 🐣 which came first ♻️❓❓❓

5:36 AM

@Arrowfar Oh, it's summer break now. So, it's going slowly.

@skullpatrol 🐩

user116848

@Mahnax Which degree are you pursuing? If you don't mind me asking

@skullpatrol I can't see the symbols.

The whole business of counting views got to be so cumbersome that we outsourced it. As a plus, many Icelandic carnival workers gained part-time employment at the end of every week. Disambiguated: I'm asking a dev to chime in here. — Tim Post ♦ 42 mins ago

@Arrowfar Bachelor of Science Honours in Chemistry.

@JasperLoy \N{CHICKEN} or \N{HATCHING CHICK} which came first \N{BLACK UNIVERSAL RECYCLING SYMBOL}\N{VARIATION SELECTOR-16}\N{BLACK QUESTION MARK ORNAMENT}\N{BLACK QUESTION MARK ORNAMENT}\N{BLACK QUESTION MARK ORNAMENT}

5:38 AM

@Mahnax I will be waiting for you to win the Nobel prize.

user116848

@Mahnax Good luck :)

@skullpatrol Variation selectors? Really!??

Thanks, both of you. I appreciate it.

user116848

@skullpatrol Where can I find these symbols?

> \x{1F414} or \x{1F423} which came first \x{267B}\x{FE0F}\x{2753}\x{2753}\x{2753}

5:40 AM

@tchrist So did you get the job you were talking about? I remember you had to fly off for an interview.

user116848

Is this coding?

It is on my iPhone4 @tchrist @Arrowfar

@JasperLoy Yes.

user116848

@skullpatrol Oh, that

@Arrowfar Not exactly, but kinda-sorta-like.

The \N{...} are named-character escapes, telling you the official Unicode name for that code point.

The \x{12A3C} are “hex escapes”: the hexadecimal code point numbers.

Both are ways of specifying which which characters you want (or have) in a string without actually using them literally.

It helps for tracking down missing fonts and such.

But I am flubberbested about the variation selector.

5:44 AM

Who is your @tchrist favorite computer scientist?

Knuth.

But Dennis I knew personally, and was a delightful, wry, and perfectly charming gentleman.

He was our éminence grise and our mischievous leprechaun all at the same time.

Dennis was a great man, in the fullest sense of that word.

Is Knuth Persian?

Without him, Jobs would have been nothing, and yet it is Jobs whose passing the general public is far more apt to recall. Dennis was very special, and I wept.

I did not know that Knuth died.

@skullpatrol Why would he be?

@JasperLoy He didn’t. Dennis did.

5:48 AM

Just guessing :)

His math skills are so highly developed.

I’m getting really very tired of friends dying, and not only is there no escape from that, it is guaranteed to only get worse.

I really do not believe I will ever recover from this.

You are a survivor.

Unproven.

As long as you are alive, you are living proof my friend.

I didn’t say it would kill me from heartbreak, nor for undisclosed personal reasons can I be a suicide risk. I simply do not believe I can recover from it. It weighs you down, and comes upon you in your darkest hours. There are times I refuse to go back to bed lest the dreams return.

5:54 AM

I have been there, and know the feeling.

I didn't sleep for 7 days straight

@skullpatrol OMG!

@skullpatrol Those are times best left unrecalled. They are lost in a fog in any event.

> It little profits that an idle king,
By this still hearth, among these barren crags,
Match’d with an agèd wife, I mete and dole
Unequal laws unto a savage race,
That hoard, and sleep, and feed, and know not me.
I cannot rest from travel: I will drink
Life to the lees: All times I have enjoy’d
Greatly, have suffer’d greatly, both with those
That loved me, and alone, on shore, and when
Thro’ scudding drifts the rainy Hyades
Vext the dim sea: I am become a name;
For always roaming with a hungry heart

@skullpatrol May I ask what happened?

Too bad Daniel doesn't come to chat anymore.

6:28 AM

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I need translation guys

can you read what it says?

I can see it says "Orange blossom floral water" and it's claimed to have "soothing, softening and revitalising qualities for all skin types. Dermatologically tested."

But that's from the English, not a translation.

So you probably got that too.

yeah

6:46 AM

> Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. — Hanlon's razor

6:58 AM

I found a cool song

@Cerberus I found the name of the science book read by Einstein as a child that we talked about,
Peoples Books on Natural Science by Aaron Bernstein

I paid $50 to get the book from inter-library loan 10 years ago, today it can be read for free on-line :)

Matt Эллен

7:36 AM

@KitFox exactly, so you didn't learn programming as part of an engineering degree.

1 hour later…

8:57 AM

Hi @medica :-)

this question ought to be deleted, seems to me. Or at least closed;

-1

Q: What is the bone at both sides of the human head called?

I know the bone at the rear of the human head is occiput, how are those at the sides called?

Hi skull!

How are you?

How are you?

jinx

I'm good, thanks. You?

:D

Fine thanks.

had a nice trip. safe. Thanks for the well-wishes.

8:59 AM

Did you have fun?

you? anything exciting?

yes, we had a lot of fun. Beautiful places, good food, etc.

I just found out something exiting theguardian.com/science/2014/aug/13/…

Isn't that wonderful?

Yes, it is. So you knew?

No, I knew she won the Nobel. What is (I'm afraid to ask) the Field's?

9:01 AM

Yes.

Is it different?

For Math

so the Nobel Prize for math is called the Field's medal?

yes

I am a little bit more math medal literate today! :-D

9:03 AM

:D

I wonder why she is the first woman. Do you think women are ...less mathematical?

No.

Is it a matter of bias?

I think so.

shame.

Watson and Crick would not have figured out the double helical structure of DNA without a woman.

9:05 AM

They weren't even allowed in Harvard until the 1970s

:-0

seriously?

yep

that's pretty appalling.

I don't even know about England...

when I was interviewing for med school, in every interview I had, they asked me if I planned on having children. :-0

9:07 AM

I wonder if they asked the men that.

Have you ever had anyone ask you that in a job interview?

lol

no

me, too. I doubt it. The men, of course, weren't expected to stay home.

anything new with you?

Matt Эллен

@skullpatrol it's fuzzy, due to attendence vs matriculation but including matriculation the first woman graduated Oxford in 1920

hmm. Good for Oxford!

9:10 AM

@MattЭллен what about Cambridge?

@MattЭллен hi, Matt.

@medica don't forget "@"

thanks

np

Matt Эллен

@skullpatrol first women's college in 1869

@medica hi!

9:12 AM

:)

How goes it?

Matt Эллен

It's fine. How are you?

good, thanks. You new mods seem to be running nice, tight ship.

hmm...I wonder why Harvard took so long

@MattЭллен Is it very much work?

@skullpatrol good question!

Matt Эллен

@medica Thanks! It sometimes seems that way. lots of flags, and sometimes you just see stuff without flags.

9:14 AM

well, you guys are doing a great job. I'm very glad you're a mod.

Matt Эллен

Thanks. It helps to have a good community, too

this question about bones has me wanting to downvote the answerer.

They do that on some SE sites. I don't agree with it, but how to stop people from answering inappropriate questions is a problem for sure.

Matt Эллен

I see. Not much to be done about it. So long as we close the bad questions quickly enough, very few people can post answers. some slip though.

many women of both the undergraduate and graduate class of 1963 were the first to receive Harvard's diplomas. (Harvard Gazette March 22, 2001, GSAS Handbook, 2010-11). The twelve women who graduated from the Medical School in 1949 were the first to graduate from a Harvard professional school. ( Harvard A to Z/ John T. Bethell, Richard M. Hunt, Robert Shenton. Cambridge, MA : Harvard University Press, c2004.)

Matt Эллен

it's a little annoying, but mostly the community's on top of things

anyway. I have to get back to w*rk

9:19 AM

I flagged that. now I feel guilty.

@MattЭллен bye!

Matt Эллен

don't feel guilty :D

@skullpatrol a woman's place...

it's appalling.

yep, 50 years after England

I can't imagine how women felt 50 years ago...

(in the US)

better than the colored

9:22 AM

gaak... so true!

what about the colored women :(

things pale in comparison to slavery

ugh. to have children taken away from you and sold... to need to bear children for others.

treated like cattle

Thomas Jefferson changed his stance on slavery after he did the numbers and found out he could get a 5% return every year, if (I think) 25% of his women slaves gave birth every year.

:-(

Now we have a Iranian Fields Medal!

9:27 AM

I did not know that...

Next we need a President :D

:-)

Hmm... I never did find out where you live

?

ah. beautiful out there.

yep

you?

I think of retiring out there.

PA

pretty, very much so, but not special.

Have you ever heard of Hershey?

Not far from there.

:)

:)

9:30 AM

I used to live in Hershey. Smelled of chocolat many days. yum!

Just like Willy Wonka?

then, there were the days when the farmers (it's very rural) spread the manure on their fields. Then it smelled like chocolate and pig manure.

Yep. Like Willie Wonka. and his pet pig. :)

Hershey has a big tertiary care hospital where I trained.

Are you a Steelers or Eagle fan?

then, down the road is a competitor, Mars candy.

Hmm... I know this will shock you, but neither!

:-0

Orly?

9:34 AM

just don't follow the sport. Very unamerican.

Too painful to watch.

it's not everbody

Too much... it makes me kinda sad.

A lot of violence on field but especially off.

Seems to glorify something that should not be glorified.

they call the training camp for the NFL draft the "combine"

'splain?

so they admit to treating the players as cattle

9:36 AM

ah

shame

I'm glad to see HS football replaced by soccer and lacross.

they should be studying in HS

no choice

(I don't know, though, if soccer in other countries is less macho than football here)

Yes, they should. But I didn't. Lots of kids don't. another shame.

yep

I gotta run, nice talking with you again @medica

cu!

have a good day.

:-)

later :-)

You too.

Matt Эллен

9:54 AM

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A: Join all circles together with 6 lines

If you use just one massive line, you can make it pass through the center of all of the circles!

10:06 AM

Hello @Caleb, you are very quiet in this chat.

10:22 AM

@MattЭллен See my answer here, lol. english.stackexchange.com/questions/190295/…

Matt Эллен

Yes. Very droll

10:36 AM

I have been able to answer some questions on this site, quite lucky, considering how hard the questions seem to have become.

Matt Эллен

10:55 AM

Yahoo answers is worse than I imagined.

so many terrible questions

Today's Listening | Indie Dance / Nu Disco (Mixsets day 14)

If the word 'vagina' offends you, you may want to skip the first two minutes or so

Matt Эллен

11:10 AM

damnit. I meant edit

there is no undelete :(

11:51 AM

"I'll apply the theorem to this example." or I'll apply the theorem for this example."

I'm inclined to use to.

Possibly.

Apply A to B means that B is altered.

Apply A for B means that (the unspecified) C is altered.

I'll apply the theorem for this example to that one.

@AndrewLeach OK, thank you. That's very clear. :-)

that's not what i meant, and what kind of pen is it?it's just a big triangle not big line. — Riddle yesterday

Hilarious.

I'm watching Hobbit 2

Haha, is it that boring that you have to chat on the side?

11:59 AM

Nah, it's great but I have no friends to talk to though.

Well I must be off to a friend, and tomorrow is a public holiday, and then it's the weekend.

Feature request: setting up an out-of-office notice on the main site.

"Your comments will not be forwarded or read. Close or reopen your question yourself."

@Chris'ssis you could say, "For this example I'll apply the theorem."

Guys, is being a virgin for over 22 years a rare attribute (achievement) that not many people can have?

depends on your sample

@JasonMarsh I have been a virgin for almost 33 years.

12:05 PM

@JasperLoy Admirable

How does it feel?

It's nothing to be proud of. I envy those who have lost it long ago, lol.

@skullpatrol What do you mean by "sample"?

socio-economic status

@JasperLoy In Korea, they say you can start to cast magic spells such as "Firebolt" or "Ice bolt" or "Teleportation" once you keep your virginity for over 25 years. Does this notion exist in your area too?

@JasonMarsh Nope. I guess you are from Korea then. I hate kimchi.

12:08 PM

lol

Notion? It's how things are.

I dislike kimchi too, and girls who eat kimchi, so called kimchi-girls.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwigнt hope you have a good weekend

magic is how things are?

What's a kimchi girl, beyond that she's female and eats kimchi?

Matt Эллен

12:11 PM

@JasperLoy it's nothing to be ashamed of either

gold digger

@Mitch Beyond eating Kimchi, they love American goods and cultures such as Starbucks. When you date them you have to gift (something precious, not just flowers) them frequently in order to maintain your relationship with her.

@JasperLoy why envy?

@skullpatrol Doing it is a good experience, lol.

Depending on how "hot" the kimchi girl is, gifts you give them become pricier.

Kimchi men often compare this phenomenon with owning a car. You pay more money on gas and maintenance depending on how expensive the car is.

12:18 PM

high maintenance does not always mean high performance

yeah

@JasperLoy only with a good person

A lot of Kimchi men nowadays want to marry a Sushi or Kungfu girl instead because they think girls who weren't influenced by Kimchi culture aren't greedy as Kimchi girls. Isn't it interesting?

I like sushi.

me too, I want to suck on it hard.

12:22 PM

@MattЭллен I learned programming as part of Letters & Sciences degree, not an Engineering one. First degree is a BA in Spanish, then added CompSci to that, then got an MSCS after that. Never took engineering classes at all. Some universities place compsci and math in L&S/A&S, not in Engineering.

I'd marry sushi over a kungfu girl because I like the Wasabi flavour when you suck their inside.

Matt Эллен

@tchrist yes, that's the point. Mr. Shiny and New only got his iron ring because his software engineering course was part of his engineering dept.

I learned programming before uni, but took a minor in "computing" as part of my psych degree

from Oxford?

Matt Эллен

Plymouth

I've not attened Oxford Uni.

Do British, American and Aussie girls have nicknames like Kimchi or Sushi above?

12:26 PM

14 mins ago, by skullpatrol

gold digger

Matt Эллен

aye. gold digger is the established idiom these days

thanks in no small part to Mr. Kanye West

OED's first citing for gold-digger is in 1920, though

> B. Mantle in Best Plays of 1919–20 360 ‘Jerry’ Lamar is one of a band of pretty little salamanders known to Broadway as ‘gold diggers’, because they ‘dig’ for the gold of their gentlemen friends and spend it being good to their mothers and their pet dogs.

salamanders?

Matt Эллен

> A woman who (ostensibly) lives chastely in the midst of temptations. Obs.

ostensibly indeed

Guys, is it hard to meet a true love?

12:39 PM

no

I think a girl who looks like Natalie Dormer would fit great for me

Her boyfriend looks weak though, I can easily bash him up if I want to.

lol

are you a gangsta?

yeah, sorta

Matt Эллен

@JasonMarsh I don't think beating up someone's Significant Other is a good way to get them to like you

gangsta chicks are dangerous

1:00 PM

@MattЭллен Well...

Matt Эллен

Oil...

Morning.

Do you know where I left my coffee cup?

Maybe I didn't have one yet this morning...

Matt Эллен

In the dishwasher?

Morning

pours fresh cup

Have I missed anything?

Matt Эллен

Not that I can think of

1:12 PM

@KitFox Just leave unfinished ones around so there's always one nearby.

I should do that with cigarettes.

Matt Эллен

and sigur rós

Matt Эллен

1:54 PM

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Q: A literary term meaning reversed repetition?

A quote from The Name of the Wind by Patrick Rothfuss lists "actors and acrobats, musicians and hand magicians, jugglers and jesters" My first thought on reading it was that "hand magicians and musicians" (ABAB) would have a more quippish tone than "musicians and hand magicians" (ABBA), but...

terminology inversion parallelism repetition literary-techniques

that's clever: a SWR with 5 tags, all of which are relevant, but none of which is single-word-requests

or even a poetry tag :D

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