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00:31
@RegDwighт Was.
@tchrist Wow.
At least they didn't sink!
And they have food, right?
Yes, they have food.
It is hard to understand the lack of comms since then.
But they didn’t sink, at least, not then.
I wonder who the other party was in that conversation.
Yeah, could their satellite phone have been damaged?
Or if they got an update.
Yeah.
00:42
Sure, of course it could have.
Is that the only message that was lost?
Sounds like it, but dunno.
It was important info.
We should have had that message more than a week ago.
When it was needed.
Yes.
It's really odd that Iridium got the message but didn't pass it on.
And they knew it was a critical lost-at-sea situation.
Surely they must know satellite phones are often used in very important situations?
00:45
And neither nor family nor cops could budge them, only the US State Department.
@tchrist But did they know that at the moment the message was sent? How could they have known?
@tchrist Yeah, that's ridiculous.
No, they didn’t know that then.
That was almost a month ago.
It’s the first glimmer of anything we’ve gotten, and it is very old. But they didn’t sink in that storm, and I thought for sure they must have by now.
It’s possible that the RCC knows more. Not sure. I should check for email updates from Laz.
A month ago already? Sheesh.
They have been lost for that long?
Yes, but they didn’t go overdue until a little over a week ago.
Different thing.
But they have been drifting aimlessly for a month now, right?
00:48
The RCC wouldn’t call out the troops till they were overdue.
@Cerberus Yes, that’s what it sounds like.
I mean, not aimlessly, but in arbitrary directions.
With the trade currents.
Right.
And not very fast.
They will have some other sail, but not much.
But if they were going into a starvation situation, they would/should have popped the EPIRB.
An emergency signal?
00:50
Yes, right.
Why not sooner, as soon as they knew they couldn't get there on their own?
It basically calls down all possible support directly to you, from everywhere. It is extremely effective. And costly. But like 10,000 people's lives have been saved.
I think the trade winds would take them there on their own.
Perhaps Iridium also threw away the emergency signal?
Different system, I am pretty sure.
How much food/water did they bring?
00:51
Curious that one girl’s dad reckons them 4–5 days out from Oz.
Don’t know, but a very experienced skipper would surely have packed another few weeks of food in, and they are not even two weeks late.
But they are almost a month out of contact.
Yes, I would assume they have enough food and water.
Possibly even a distillation device?
I really don’t know. 7 people takes a lot of water.
But they knew that.
Yes.
No washing, ration the drinking water.
00:54
Of course.
And you can get liquid from other things, sometimes, depending on your stores.
So I'm sure they're not starving/"thirsting" yet.
Well, they certainly are not starving with an EPIRB.
They’d pop it.
Unless they were rammed by an ocean liner or something.
It isn’t the kind that auto-pops upon immersion, I guess. Damn it.
Distress radio beacons, also known as emergency beacons, PLB, ELT or EPIRB, are tracking transmitters which aid in the detection and location of boats, aircraft, and people in distress. Strictly, they are radiobeacons that interface with worldwide offered service of Cospas-Sarsat, the international satellite system for search and rescue (SAR). When manually activated, or automatically activated upon immersion, such beacons send out a distress signal. The signals are monitored worldwide and the location of the distress is detected by non-geostationary satellites, and can be located by som...
@tchrist But still, with shredded sails and several weeks away from the nearest land?
And what happened to their satellite phone?
00:59
Very good question.
There were two storms, apparently, a bad rain one and a bad wind one.
At least the message doesn't mention any serious damage to the ship or their supplies.
Oh...
Did one storm come after the message was sent?
It isn’t clear which one shredded their sails, the first wet one or second blowy one.
That I do not know.
One would think the second one.
Hope so.
Perhaps somebody should calculate that.
Is it possible that the first storm shredded the sails, the second one sank the ship?
01:00
The winds of the rain storm were not high enough to shred their sales if the estimates on speeds were accurate.
Ah OK.
@Cerberus That’s my worry.
We still haven’t figured out whether the lifeboat had a hydrostatic release.
@tchrist But then it was probably the second storm that shredded the sails.
Just a sec. I have to re-explain this to someone.
@tchrist June 3, 10 minutes before midnight, that's when the message was apparently sent (or received by Iridium?).
Surely someone can figure out whether that was before or after the windy storm.
OK.
@tchrist Or, actually, the messages itself mentions "6PM".
01:05
Back.
So for how long was the message kept by Iridium before the time stamp "23:50" was attached?
Could it have been days?
I should think the timestamp was the transmission time. Why would they delay it?
I'm sure the addressee will know a dies post quem?
Sure.
@tchrist Who knows?
01:06
A Lafayette businessman whose daughter is aboard a missing yacht
off the Australian coast says a text message was received from the
crew of the boat after it passed through rough storms last month.

Ricky Wright said he learned Wednesday morning that a satellite
phone was used to send a text message to a meteorologist from the
70-foot schooner Nina after it had passed through two storms in
early June. According to the message, the schooner had damaged sails
from the high winds but was still making headway at 4 knots per
Danielle Wright, 18, is one of the people missing on the Nina. Prior
to today's information, the boat had not been heard from since June
4, when it was about 370 nautical miles west-northwest New Zealand.

Ricky Wright said the message was not delivered when sent. Because
of privacy laws, it took weeks for the U.S. government to authorize
the satellite phone carrier to release the message.
"My prediction is they are making 3 knots, and the storm pushed
them north of where they thought they would be," Ricky Wright told
KATC Wednesday morning. "The main search area was south of where
they are."

The Rescue Coordination Centre New Zealand (RCCNZ) suspended the
search for the on Wednesday as bad weather hit the search area
reducing visibility. They are using the down time to reassess the
search effort.
Ricky Wright said there were two major storms two days apart, one
a rainstorm and the other a wind event. The storms tore the boat's
storm sails, limiting its ability to make speed and maneuver as it
worked against the currents.

"To put it in perspective, it's like sailing from the Mediterranean
to the Bahamas," Wright said. "Everyone follows the same course
along the trade winds. They are doing the same thing, just against
the prevailing winds."
Wright estimates that the Nina is currently four or five days from
making port in Australia.
Along with Danielle Wright were five other U.S. citizens -- three
men aged 17, 28 and 58 and two other women aged 60 and 73 -- and a
British man aged 35.

The boat, which was built in 1928, left Opua, New Zealand, on May
29, headed for Newcastle, Australia.
Hmm.
> According to the message, the schooner had damaged sails from the high winds but was still making headway at 4 knots per hour.
They were going back out "today" (Thursday)
But the message said "bare poles".
Yeah, I know.
Maybe those 4 knots are just from the current?
01:09
That’s what I was thinking.
Someone did some calculations that says that the current should do that.
And why did he/she send the message at least 6 hours after the storm, if that is what the "@6PM" refers to?
@tchrist OK.
They have no control without any sail.
It said the storm sails were shredded.
Sure, so what?
They might have a little sail left of a lesser sort, I am thinking/wondering/hoping.
Possibly.
And what happened to the engine?
01:12
I don’t know, but it sounds like they didn’t have any.
I mean, any left.
Or they wouldn’t have been making 4 knots. I don’t know. I don’t sail.
But then why didn't they mention "engine broken" in the message?
And why not send more messages later?
It's all very mysterious.
Really.
There is a lot we don’t know. I’m hoping somebody else knows more.
If the storm had caused a fire, it would have done its damage at 6 pm, not after midnight.
They had a brand new engine fitted right before leaving port I know.
Right.
Is it possible that the time stamp on the message is wrong?
01:15
Or someone is misreading gmtime vs localtime.
Oh, wait.
The message says nothing about a time zone.
Which is why it is probably in UTC.
gmtime
Probably.
But the 6 PM might have been local time.
Exactly.
One doesn’t really use "6 pm" when talking UTC.
True.
So she added "@6PM" to describe when the damage occurred, or to indicate at what time she was sending the message?
01:19
Let me reread.
It is unclear.
I'm just wondering what's normal practice.
Oh, right, "last night".
The unixtime above must be UTC.
Probably.
01:21
Well, that’s how we receive it.
(It's still not impossible that it was circulating around some computer system some time before it got marked as "received" and got the time stamp, though.)
I have seen funny things happen to time stamps.
Yes, text messages usually have the got-there time, not the sent-from time, at least as displayed on your handset.
This sometimes annoys me, when I send message when I’m in the mountains but it is not delivered till many hours later, and people think I just sent it.
Yeah.
So who knows, perhaps the message was even sent days earlier.
01:27
Still, we now they didn’t sink in that storm that shredded their sails. That’s a pretty big thing, no matter that there is still a huge amount unexplained.
Which words would you say next or conjoin together, if I tell you
1) Bacon and ___
2) Black and ___
3) Cream and ___
Why?
Psych profiling?
yeah
just for fun
No guineas here.
> In a carefully worded statement, Obama said he was "deeply concerned" by the military's move to topple Morsi's government and suspend Egypt's constitution. He said he was ordering the U.S. government to assess what the military's actions meant for U.S. foreign aid to Egypt. Under U.S. law, the government must suspend foreign aid to any nation whose elected leader is ousted in a coup d'etat.
Ask Clinton.
I need to call Mom and let her know. She talked to Laz soon before he left for down there.
wanders off
@tchrist Yes, absolutely.
@O0oO0oOO0ooO Egg, white, coffee?
Bye!
01:40
Eggs, blue, sugar.
Freak.
@RegDwighт Are you talking about the firebombings? If so, yeah, I'm surprised those aren't discussed more often and more openly. Germany was quite thoroughly defeated by the time the bombing of Dresden took place, and the strategic intention of the raid was to shock the Germans into immediate surrender. I can't think of a clearer definition of a "terrorist act" than that. I mean, its stated intent was terror.
> One of the journalists asked whether the principal aim of bombing Dresden would be to cause confusion among the refugees or to blast communications carrying military supplies. Grierson answered that the primary aim was communications to prevent them moving military supplies, and to stop movement in all directions if possible. He then added in an offhand remark that the raid also helped destroy "what is left of German morale."
It is the offhand remark that reveals the truth sometimes.
> It seems to me that the moment has come when the question of bombing of German cities simply for the sake of increasing the terror, though under other pretexts, should be reviewed. Otherwise we shall come into control of an utterly ruined land… —Winston Churchill
@Robusto But that is a widely professed perspective.
@Cerberus Not in my country.
I'm sure it must be.
@Robusto When did he say that?
01:44
Just about everything I learned in school about history was some shade of a lie.
@Cerberus "On 28 March, [1945] in a memo [Churchill] sent by telegram to General Ismay for the British Chiefs of Staff and the Chief of the Air Staff."
Ah.
That's late.
And it sounds like he was more concerned with the infrastructure than with the people, doesn't it?
I don't know.
Probably both.
I mean, what else does "increasing the terror" mean but terrorism?
Yes.
02:08
Still, as horrible as that is, perhaps the image of marauding soldiers with their dicks and bayonets out, raping and murdering women and children and then crucifying women to barn doors, etc., may be harder to forget. Aerial bombing hides behind the cloak of "military objective"; up-close rapine and slaughter have no convenient moral fig leaf.
02:49
Perhaps.
 
5 hours later…
07:43
Hi @MattЭллен
Hi @CrazyBuddy
@Sudhir Hey Sudhir :)
 
2 hours later…
Jez
Jez
09:39
"The number of students and the number of teachers are/is decreasing day by day in the school."
to me, is definitely sounds better there
my apple and your apple are red
I would use are
Are.
Jez
Jez
the trouble is the distance between are and the first noun phrase
by the time you've gone through "the number of teachers" it feels like you're just referring to that, so it feels like "the number are"
assuming elision at the end of the first noun phrase is more natural
no. there are two things, so it is are
Jez
Jez
except that there aren't two things.
09:46
the number of x and the number of y
that's two things
Jez
Jez
there is one thing, following another thing that can be thought of separately
it's only two things if there is no elision
I don't see how that can be the explanation
Jez
Jez
"the name of the boy and the name of the girl are Chris?"
Jez
Jez
it's a funny one though, it's something to do with the "of" I think
an equally long noun phrase with just adjectives would always be are like "the big red busy bus and the long narrow grey tube train are moving quickly"
09:52
"The boy and the girl is called Chris"?
Jez
Jez
there's no of in that sentence
I know
"The speed of the bus and the speed of the train is equal"?
Jez
Jez
that's a direct comparison, of course it has to be plural
I would put are in there
Jez
Jez
you can't elide "the speed is equal"
you can elide "is fast"
09:56
I don't see what you're eliding
Jez
Jez
"is fast"
Jez
Jez
x is fast and y is fast
x and y are fast
Jez
Jez
yes in that case again because there's no of in the noun phrase
for some reason it seems more natural to assume elision when there is
09:58
perhaps because you're talking about the property of a property of an object
not just the property of an object
*the boy's name and the girl's name are Chris
the boy and girl are Chris
10:30
Matt, maybe I can ask here for the good poems?
Hi @Erbil. Yes, this is a better place to ask
I don't know any good love poems, though
@Erbil There are lots of love poems on tumblr
@MattЭллен thanks,
Hi @MattЭллен
10:43
What would you say:
The number of students and the number of teachers are/is decreasing day by day in the school.

Either a number of teachers or a number of students is/are participating in the college's festival.
we've literally just discussed your first one. I think you should be able to see the answer
It's a contradiction .
the second would be is
a number is singular
or it could be are
since it implies many students
confused?
10:49
It's an interesting question.
11:20
are
It's the students and the teachers who are participating. It's not the number. A number doesn't participate in stuff.
Jez
Jez
11:51
@DavidWallace what about the first one though
Are. It's two numbers.
The number of teachers is decreasing.
But the number of teachers and the number of students are decreasing.
Jez
Jez
i don't agree that that's the most natural interpretation.
sounds slightly wrong to me
at the very least, it can be either are or is
12:07
I'm with you on that, @Jez
 
1 hour later…
13:09
@Rob Happy Brick the Kits Day!
Or Kick the Brits, pace @Kit.
I'm so offended that you called Brits Bricks
They are very heavy.
Profound and grave.
Like bricks.
It's worse than calling slavs slavonic
13:12
Please don’t brick our kit unless you include a cask of amontillado in her chamber.
@MattЭллен I think it's still safe to call the Irish ironic, though, isn't it?
@tchrist Same to you and yours. takes out tattered copies of the 4th and 14th Amendments and tries to keep them from falling apart
I’ve been duped.
I knew I’d seen that question before.
which one?
1
Q: First use of “learnings”?

Benjamin WatersWhen was the word learnings first used as a noun, as a synonym for lessons?

2
Q: "Learning" as a noun

missingfaktorThis question came to my mind after seeing this tweet from an online acquaintance: The use of learning as a noun makes me ill. Maybe someone gained their learnings about language from corporate Borat. Is the word learning used as a noun not correct English? If so, what are the words one ...

7
Q: Plural of "learning"

user6859What is the plural of learning? Is it learnings?

13:28
learners learn learnèd learnings
I rather prefer to write your penultimate entry as learnèd, that its syllables not be misconstrued, but I do realize this is not strictly necessary.
From here.
> Seen in this light, the American Revolution was not so much an American Revolution as a British evolution — another turn in the ratchet of Anglo political liberty, driven by the kind of cultural conservatism that all liberals should celebrate.
> Whatever else is true, Snowden is an Independent American whose principles are the principles of American Independence. And that is surely all that any Patriot is called to be. On this Independence Day, God bless England, America's crucible; God bless Snowden, an American conscience, and God bless the United States of America.
Oh Canada, my home and native land...
No, wait.
God save our precious queen...
How does that go?
Which is the precious one?
Jez
Jez
13:37
... and God can fuck off because many Americans don't believe in him
My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty
@KitFox you got it right the second time
almost
God save our gracious Queen
My country, Tizzuvthy.
Tizzuvthia?
Long live our terror Queen
13:39
God save the Queen.
@Jez but many do.
And give her underpants, and let us all dance
Jez
Jez
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 so?
God save our queen.
Well, that's how I remember it anyway.
And hello.
And Happy Birthday, USA!
@Jez So don't expect "God can fuck off" to go over very well in a country where 46% believe in young earth creationism.
13:40
so. have you set up a potato cannon to commemorate your independence?
237 years old today.
Jez
Jez
the current Queen of the Commonwealth is arguably one of the few individuals called "gracious" and "noble" to whom the terms could apply
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Haha, seriously? That many?
237 years young!
13:40
@MattЭллен coughs Don't know what you mean.
I've thrown a bunch of tea in the nearest body of water.
which happens to be a kettle?
@Jez And she's almost 237 years old.
Jez
Jez
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 and don't expect evangelism to go down well in a community that cares about secularism
@Jez lol which community is that? Are you still talking about the US?
A lot of chatter connecting Snowden to the Founding Fathers of the American War for Independence from the Oppressors.
13:42
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hilarious.
Jez
Jez
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 non-Christian communities in the US, yes
@Cerberus frightening
That, too.
@MattЭллен Maybe. Maybe.
Fuck the Brits! sips tea with extended pinky
@Kit Please go delete You Know Who when you get the chance.
Jez
Jez
13:43
with pinky?
@KitFox oh, Matron!
With Pinky and the Brain!
@Jez sadly, secularism faces an uphill battle in the US. Thankfully, the constitution requires a strict separation of Church and State so that prevents some of the more egregious problems from happening. Though there are quite a few lawmakers who don't understand the constitution.
> The "evolutionist" view was most popular in Sweden (68%), Germany (65%), and China (64%), with the United States ranking 18th (28%), between Mexico (34%) and Russia (26%); the "creationist" view was most popular in Saudi Arabia (75%), Turkey (60%), and Indonesia (57%), with the United States ranking 6th (40%), between Brazil (47%) and Russia (34%). — Reuters 2011, poll among 24 countries.
Jez
Jez
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 i say you skip secularism and go straight to atheism
@tchrist That's John Company's flag.
It is.
Interesting factoid about John's Company...
I've pointed out the similarity elsewhere here, but can't find it just now.
@Jez Skip the atheism and go straight to the untheism.
13:50
@Jez I used the word "secularism" because you did.
Specifically, it is the 1707–1801 flag, before they added Ireland.
It's going to be a scorcher today. We're going to the beach later.
Along with everyone else, undoubtedly.
We'll probably eat hot dogs and apple pie.
The kids are still too young for munitions though.
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A: Which is the correct spelling: "Granddad" or "Grand-dad" or "Grandad"?

Bob RehnI'm an American and it is the 4th of July today so my vote goes with granddad(North American version).

@KitFox skip it all, go back around to maltheism
So no firing off guns for fun.
13:51
Alas.
bang
sorry
I didn't think it was loaded
Only for self-defense.
Damn those backarappers!
@MattЭллен I was cleaning it and it went off.
Speaking of, did you hear about the police chief up these parts did that recently?
recently the whole thing?
or accidentally bit the bullet while cleaning?
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 helough a mess
He accidentally shot himself in the hand while cleaning it.
@MattЭллен a hot mess?
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Speaking of, did you hear about the police chief up these parts did that recently?
Shot right into his hand.
While cleaning his gun.
13:55
I seen your link.
wink
wink wink
Hahaha
Oh! Did you get fun prizes for your birthday?
13:57
> After the Acts of Union 1800 that joined Ireland with Great Britain to form the United Kingdom, the canton of the East India Company's flag was altered accordingly to include the new Union Flag with the additional Saint Patrick's Flag.
> There has been much debate and discussion regarding the number of stripes on the flag and the order of the stripes. Historical documents and paintings show many variations from 9 to 13 stripes, with some images showing the top stripe being red and others showing the top stripe being white.
I got three very brightly colored tank tops.
Two pairs of yoga pants, one which didn't fit, and one which was just stupid looking.
And an apron with pictures of ladybugs on it.
And a game controller that I was hoping would be less frustrating to set up, but I guess I didn't have any patience last night.
So I bought the R&C collection for the PS3 instead.
Then ended up watching Supernatural.
13:58
I had a controller once that I tried to use for GTA, but it didn't work. A Gravis.
This is a Logitech one and it's all over the Steam forums.
Ratchet and Clank.
They remastered the PS2 games for the PS3.

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