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6:03 PM
Skank Overflow
 
Snack Overflow?
 
mmm...snacks.
that skank thing sounds interesting too though.
<gripe>
so you come to ELU to start voting on qns and answers whose titles sound interesting.
you read the title quickl, then the question quickly
then an answer and the thread....
and the answer just seems kinda like a bunch of keywords were found in the questino, and then an answer made up based on those keywords...
so that if you're not ppaying attentino, it looks like a great answer, with references , and extra examples and nota throwaway couple of lines.
but then you're interested and you start reading closer...
and you reread the question again...
and then the answer..
and you realize. "FFS, this answer is totally irrelevant, like a question about how to feed a sick cat gets answered with where the name of 'siamese cats' comes from".
and this doesn't happen once in a visit, but two or three times.
and despite not wanting ti downvote in general, I want to rage downvote the last one and go find the other ones to downvote...
except then...
I realize...
... they're all crappy answers by the same author .
(no, I don't realize that they're mine...thanks Reg!)
 
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Q: A person who knows 2 or 3 languages

Gautam KA polyglot is a person who is fluent in many languages, but what do we call a person who is fluent in only 2 or 3 languages. Is bi-glot a proper term for this ? I don't think the word Bilingual fits the bill.

What does he want?
 
so now I wonder if I downvote in close succession for the same author, if those votes will be auto-removed for suspicious behavior. I sincerely want those downvotes, but I wasn't consciously singling out one author.
Do you see my problem?
</gripe>
 
Also, my oy vey of the day:
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Q: Why is the following answer converted in comment?

Xavier Vidal HernándezWhy is the following answer being converted in comment? "See the FAQ" someone said to me; but in the FAQ I found nothing! Can anybody express a possible explanation? -- Prepositions pose more communication problems for learners of English as well as for native speakers than any other par...

 
6:17 PM
@simchona bilingual makes you think that they are -fluent- in the two languages. polyglot makes you think that you can get by in many languages. he wants a word for when you can get by in only 2 or 3 languages.
 
@Mitch Polyglot still qualifies.
 
@Robusto I agree. I"m just explaining what I think the OP has in their head.
 
The lower bound on the number of languages covered by polyglot is two.
 
well, one would prefer a 'bi-' word there, and therefore the OPs hesitation.
 
So use bilingual for exactly two. But he says "two or three" ...
 
6:20 PM
I said multilingual originally, but he wants exactly two or three.
 
Well, also, one could just say, proficient in a foreign language (or two)
exactly two, or a word for exactly three.
 
@Mitch No more than five per day and you'll be fine.
 
Then "bi- or tri-lingual" should suffice.
 
so many problems, I have to triage them.
 
few- lingual.
 
6:22 PM
parvo-lingual
eo-lingual?
 
For the love of all things holy.
That was five hours for what amounted to a missing 's'.
 
@KitFox which scandale?
 
@KitFox Your actions are being pinged. I'm apparently not a good source for 'why mods delete things'
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Q: Why is the following answer converted in comment?

Xavier Vidal HernándezWhy is the following answer being converted in comment? "See the FAQ" someone said to me; but in the FAQ I found nothing! Can anybody express a possible explanation? -- Prepositions pose more communication problems for learners of English as well as for native speakers than any other par...

Dear @KitFox. I love you. Sincerely, me.
 
@Mitch I couldn't get my stupid boxes to validate. I misspelt something.
 
@simchona Pardon my being devil's advocate again, but his meta answer, though strictly only comment worthy, is pretty fair game for meta. He is not giving an ostensible answer, just addressing the issue behind the specific question. He's not giving a solution to how to write preposition questions better, just to allow them.
@KitFox what language are you using?
 
6:27 PM
@Mitch I didn't delete it, either.
 
@simchona also, it is too easy to down vote this meta-meta question because of the multiple poor history users associated with it.
 
@Mitch He's peeving.
It's like asking "OMG WHY IS THIS GETTING DOWNVOTED" on MSO
 
@Mitch jQuery
Well, javascript.
@Mitch Right. He's not answering the question, just saying we ought to have these questions.
 
@Mitch I agree.
 
@Cerberus Of course you do.
 
6:34 PM
Of course?
While not a great answer, the implicit statement "such questions should be allowed" seems clear enough to me.
 
"I don't understand why people can't do whatever they want with stuff." <—Cerb, no matter what the rules he has agreed to.
 
Don't make me angry.
 
perplexed
 
Using "you always do x" in a serious discussion.
I bit my tongue and didn't comment on or answer that Meta question.
That's the best I can do.
 
@Cerberus Who, what now? Did I do that somewhere?
And why didn't you answer the Meta question?
 
6:39 PM
Because of this.
 
This what?
 
@KitFox Then how would you describe your line with the arrow?
You tell me I always do thing x that you perceive as bad.
 
@Cerberus I was teasing you. I didn't say anything about "always" or X things being bad.
 
I was being serious. And "no matter what the rules he has agreed to" sounded negative. And everything about it implies that I always do this. But it doesn't matter, it's not an important thing. I just didn't like it at that moment.
So let's forget about it.
 
@Cerberus Eventually we will all forget about everything.
 
6:44 PM
Yes, Jabusto.
 
@Cerberus OK. I really didn't mean any harm in it. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.
 
It's OK.
I just didn't feel taken seriously. Now I do, yay!
 
Good talk, everyone.
 
group hug
 
7:03 PM
licks group
 
I didn't realize Tony Orlando and Dawn had a hit song about yeast infections.
 
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Q: subject-auxiliary inversions not associate with questions

Axel NeumannIs there some rule governing the following, or similar, subject-auxiliary inversions (*"Rarely they do see the light of day", *"Never I have been so insulted")? In fancy sit-down restaurants, you can order a large meal and halfway through the main course, take a little dead cockroach or a pie...

A: Yes.
 
13 questions asked and no answers accepted. Why keep returning to a well you so obviously believe to be dry? — Robusto 12 secs ago
 
I'll write a short answer, why not.
See whether he accepts it.
 
Want odds?
 
7:08 PM
@Cerberus He has already said he cannot for technical reasons.
Oh, sorry @Robusto, didn't mean to get in the way of the milk money.
 
Ohh that guy.
 
I'm hairy day and nighty-night-night.Hair as covered by The Cowsills
 
@ΜετάEd Would those "technical reasons" include some kind of mental impairment?
 
@Robusto Worse. He's using IE6
 
@Robusto I don't know the root cause. He insists his PC will not let him click "accept" ... he's still running IE6/XP.
Why is anyone's guess.
 
7:12 PM
OK, so mental impairment isn't out of the question.
 
Okay, let's not discuss him again. This is already two minutes I want back.
 
@ΜετάEd You of the Cowsills comment actually want these minutes back?
 
Just refer him to ie6.english.stackexchange.com and let's move on.
 
Look how you wasted your youth.
 
@Robusto My youth was not wasted on the Cowsills. Wasted, yes. Just not there.
 
7:14 PM
You could have been listening to Yes or David Bowie, but you were listening to The Cowsills.
 
I am wasting my dotage on The Cowsills.
 
That is an alarming prospect. I think they have treatment for it now.
 
I wasted my youth on Tom Lehrer and the Romantic composers.
 
@Robusto Rogaine.
 
@ΜετάEd Which Romantic composers?
 
7:16 PM
Everyone from Beethoven to Schönberg.
 
Schönberg, Romantic?
 
@Cerberus Obviously you have not heard “Summer Morning by a Lake”.
 
I have not.
 
The Romantic era ended with Richard Strauss, not Arnold Schönberg. The latter was an expressionist.
 
Early Schönberg is late Romantic.
 
7:19 PM
But even Mondriaan started out figuratively, I believe.
 
@Cerberus Yes. I saw a retrospective here a year or two ago.
 
Picasso started out painting like Raphael. So what? That's not what he's known for.
 
True.
@ΜετάEd Yeah it's odd.
Somehow I think this is making too much of sentence adverbs used to begin sentences. — Robusto 2 mins ago
I really don't understand what you mean here.
 
OMG. The Mamas and the Papas have a "best of" album with a picture of Mama Cass on the cover titled "Mama's Big Ones"?
 
@Cerberus Trying to make a joke. Probably didn't succeed. Deleted.
 
7:22 PM
AN just edited in (INTERNET EXPLORER 6 ON WINDOWS XP DOES NOT ALLOW ACCEPT FUNCTION)
 
@simchona Saw that.
Beat me to it.
 
@Robusto Hmm OK.
 
who still uses IE6 on XP?!? I call bullshit
 
@simchona (THEN GET A REAL BROWSER. IE7-9 RUN ON XP AND ARE FREE)
 
Not even Cerb is THAT into antiques
 
7:28 PM
Well, not technically a "real" browser — they're still IE — but IE6 is an abortion that came to term.
 
Yeah, I'm on Netscape 4.0.
 
I think if he's using IE in the first place, he shouldn't be on the internet.
5
 
I must say IE 8 is not so bad.
 
@Cerberus Whut?
 
I just see no reason to use it, what with all the fantastic extensions on FF.
@Robusto ...joke!
 
7:30 PM
@Cerberus Good, because I'm on 14.01. I would hate to think I'm 10 releases ahead of you.
 
@Cerberus It's barely acceptable.
 
@Robusto IE7–9? So you mean a rear browser.
 
IE just sucks. Get used to it.
 
@Robusto psst he wrote "netscape"
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ha, didn't even notice. Damn.
 
7:30 PM
@Robusto Surely FF changed Netscape in fundamental ways...and why aren't you on 15??
 
@Mr.Shiny Do you think I'm being anti-ELL with my preposition meta question?
 
I've got NCSA Mosaic rattling around here somewhere.
 
Memory management has really improved a lot with 15. First time since FF 1 or so.
 
@Cerberus Because I haven't quit Firefox in a few weeks.
 
Ah.
 
7:31 PM
@KitFox No, but I think there is a lot of anti-ell sentiment around here.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 phew OK.
 
And not anti-ell sentiment per se, but more of a "they don't belong here" feeling.
 
@Robusto I thought you meant FF was the continuation of the Netscape code. Isn't it?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I agree, but I didn't want to come across that way myself.
 
Haha, the update window was hiding behind all my other windows. Now I have 15.
 
7:32 PM
Congrats!!
It did break one of my extensions.
 
@Robusto And that was the last update you should see.
From now on it just updates silently, supposedly.
 
If you allow it to.
 
@Cerberus I only use a few extensions, for development. So no problems.
 
Right.
 
@Cerberus Yes and no. FF is a continuation of the Mozilla Browser code, i.e. the same rendering engine, which was a rewrite of the Netscape Communicator code.
 
7:33 PM
Yes.
I thought that was what Rob meant.
 
It's not accurate to describe Firefox 14 as N releases ahead of Netscape 4 though.
 
By the way, do you people use unprompted updates for anything?
 
Netscape 4 was even worse than IE6, back in the day. And that's saying a lot.
 
I don't see the advantage of unprompted updates.
 
@Cerberus I don't. I don't like giving up what little control I have.
 
7:34 PM
I don't want an update to interfere with what I'm doing, ever.
 
@Cerberus well, Chrome updates itself.
 
@Robusto Agreed.
 
And my Android phone is set to auto-update apps.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not mine.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, and I tried to block all its cluttering update processes.
But I rarely use Chrome anyway.
 
7:35 PM
I don't want my phone giving apps new permissions without my knowledge.
 
So I can just force-close it if necessary.
 
@Robusto it doesn't. It prompts you in those cases.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 See, that I can't understand.
 
@Cerberus well, what's the difference?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Does it do so before updating?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Because updates may break stuff.
 
7:36 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The corporate standard of my most recent client was IE6 on XP.
 
Haha.
 
@Cerberus When the app has new permissions, it gives you an update notification, and you have to go to market to click "update" and it shows you the changed permissions, which you have to "Accept"
@DavidWallace Did you laugh at them? I would have.
 
I currently have 14 bloatware apps that want me to update them but I refuse to do that.
 
Nobody laughed when I mentioned NCSA Mosaic. I really must be dating myself here.
 
You know, this whole bloatware issue is almost enough to make me get an iPhone.
 
7:37 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 All right, then. I have permissions locked anyway.
The permissions file.
 
@Robusto what phone do you have?
 
@Robusto Like Google+ and Google Search?
You can probably disable update notifications for those.
 
I don't want the fucking NFL Mobile app on my machine. Or Facebook. Or any of that other crap.
 
Haha.
 
Just get a Nexus phone
 
7:38 PM
Especially not FB: that applications is said to hog CPU and/or bandwidth.
 
@Cerberus No. I'm talking about Motorola and Verizon bloatware.
 
no bloatware. Unless you include G+.
 
Was FB really preinstalled?
@Robusto Ah, those must be horrible.
 
@Cerberus Won't let me delete it.
 
@Cerberus FB is pre-installed on my dad's Kobo Vox. It's a friggin' ebook reader!
 
7:39 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes. I find that laughing at clients, especially large multi-nationals, is very good for my career.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I certainly do. And Google Search. And probably a few more, like Google Music.
 
@Cerberus Install CyanogenMod.
By default it comes with no Google anything.
 
@Robusto I'm sure you can delete or disable it somehow. Have you tried disabling it in the applications menu, and disabling background data?
 
And if you root your phone you can uninstall many apps.
 
@DavidWallace When was this, 2007?
 
7:40 PM
Or is that not possible on your phone?
(It is on Jelly Bean.)
 
@Cerberus Yes, of course.
@Cerberus I'm still using ICS. It's all I'm allowed.
 
@Cerberus Most Android devices that aren't Nexus come with some third-party stuff that can't be deleted.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That way lies madness. Or at least more work than I'm willing to do.
 
By definition the Nexus only has first-party stuff, I guess.
@Robusto what phone is it?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, that's nice; except that the bloatware doesn't really bother me, and there is nothing at the moment that I feel I need that my phone can't do yet. Or is there?
 
7:41 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Droid RAZR
 
@Cerberus Probably not, if you're rooted.
 
@Robusto Awww. Well, if doubt should ever strike again, switch to Jelly Bean, not the Rhino Horn.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 There are always ways to delete it...
 
@Robusto I believe it is supported by cyanogenmod.
 
@Cerberus I don't get to make that choice. Motorola (a.k.a. Google) needs to cripple every OS update with bloatware.
 
You could upgrade to Jelly Bean and remove bloatware in one fell swoop.
 
7:43 PM
@Robusto Bleh! But I mean when you buy a new phone someday.
 
Cyanogenmod?
 
Yeah, I would probably flash CM on a Razr.
 
@Robusto A "custom rom" of Android. It's basically Android Open Source Project code plus a few enhancements. They support dozens of devices.
Once installed it's like plain Android with no crap.
I have two nexus devices, so they are well-supported but CyanogenMod (CM) doesn't add much that stock Android doesn't already have, so there isn't much benefit (still, when CM 10 comes out, I might install it on the Galaxy Nexus).
But for a non-Nexus device, with all the crapware that comes pre-installed, CM lets you remove everything (even Google apps) and start clean.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That's the one with Jelly Bean.
 
When you install the google apps you basically only get Market... everything else you can manually install from the market itself
@Robusto yes, CM10 is Jelly Bean.
 
7:45 PM
You could also root it and delete the applications by hand.
 
but CM10 is already available, as alpha code, for many devices. With vary degrees of workingness.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It's called "Play Store" now.
 
The downside is that you might have to wipe the phone.
@Robusto That's too long to type.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What do you dislike about JB/GN? I find it pretty damn perfect. Except the task manager: that really really sucks.
 
@Cerberus I like JB just fine. But CM adds a few tweaks and enhancements.
 
7:47 PM
Don't you hate the task manager?
Most of my swipes fail if I swipe quickly, and I am wont to do.
 
like, on ICS, it adds the ability to customize the number and destinations of lock-screen-swipe-to-unlock shortcuts. So you don't just unlock to camera. You can unlock to facebook. etc.
 
And I can only see like three applications at once.
 
@Cerberus I never use the task manager. Ever.
 
No?
 
You mean the list of running tasks in "Settings->Apps->Running"? No, I almost never go there.
 
7:49 PM
It should be the easiest way to check which programs you still have "active", and it should be the easiest way to open a recently used program.
No, just the right soft button.
Where you swipe programs.
 
oh the task switcher.
swipe programs, to remove them from that list?
 
FFS, how do I get Excel to let me have two windows open at the same time?
 
I never do that either.
 
Yes.
So what do you do when you want to go back to a program you used 5 minutes ago?
 
I just tried it, it works fine for me.
@Cerberus No, I use it, but I don't swipe.
Anyway it's fine. It's not meant to show what's "active". Just what you've done recently.
 
7:50 PM
Then you have to wade through all the endless screens to find the tile you want?
 
No... The tile I want is always one of the last 3.
Otherwise, I am probably launching the program from its shortcut on my home screen.
 
I find I want to reopen a recently used program all the time.
And there are always several tiles in the way.
 
I dunno. your usage pattern must be different from mine.
 
Like dialler, SMS, Gmail, Settings, then the weather application I was going to recheck.
 
I just put a shortcut to weather on the home screen
one click, done.
 
7:53 PM
I'm too lazy for that.
And I might be using this application all the time today, but not tomorrow.
 
my head just exploded from irony overload. one sec.
 
I find a list of recent applications generally convenient.
I wasn't even ironic.
I use App Dialler to open applications.
Where you type a few letters of the applications's name in T9.
 
No, the irony of you being too lazy to add a shortcut to a screen, yet dligently pruning another list of apps so you can be lazy about it.
@Cerberus sounds handy, but I don't have so many apps installed that that'd be useful for me.
 
I would need to add and remove icons to the home screens all the time, and remember to do it beforehand.
 
Virtually every app I have installed is on a home screen.
 
7:55 PM
How many screens in the applications launcher?
Yes, you told me you were a home-screen clutterer.
That's fine, I respect that.
 
3 full plus 1 with 3 icons.
 
Phew.
 
And some of those are games
 
I use mainly widgets.
 
@simchona I totally agree with that. I just want to avoid the path of doing negative things -only- because of past history (of that user).
 
7:57 PM
And a few folders with icons, but I'm too lazy to plan when I should add icons I plant to use a lot to those folders.
 
So I put shortcuts on my home screens. All the games on one screen. All the chinese-language-learning apps on one screen. All the frequently-used apps on one screen.
@Cerberus I have almost no widgets.
 
@ΜετάEd I laughed (said with no smile)
 
Instead of flicking to the next screen, you could just as well be touching an icon to open a folder the same size as a home screen.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why not?
I find those the most useful things to put on my home screen.
 
Clock widget on the main home screen because touching that is the fastest way to get to the "alarm" feature. Calendar widget on one screen because it was unused. A few "shortcut to dialing the phone" widgets.
 
My home screen is for quickly getting an overview of certain stuff. Stuff that changes. And also for accessing a few frequently used icons, yes.
 
7:58 PM
@Cerberus Mostly because I found that widgets I liked didn't perform well. Either they were bad for battery or they didn't update frequently enough.
 
Really?
Perhaps they perform better on the GN?
Because I have never ever noticed any performance problems.
And I'm using a live wallpaper on top of that (I know, I know!).
 
@Cerberus yeah. Like, there is a "Reader" widget that shows how many unread feeds you have in Google Reader. Except it updates so infrequently that I may as well just launch the app.
Or a weather widget that was always hours out of date.
 
You can't set the update rate?
 

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