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Cerberus

2:00 PM

To put it simply.

user19161

@Cerberus JSB is not religion. QED.

Cerberus

Mind/soul ≠ epiphenomenal.

user19161

@Cerberus Did you copy paste the symbol?

tchrist

@WillHunting It’s just OPTION + =.

JSBձոգչ

@Cerberus my original statement may be a little broad. there is a difference between the mind and the body, but it's false to elevate the mind over the body, and to claim that the body is of lesser significance.

Cerberus

2:01 PM

@WillHunting No, I have it under =// .

@JSBձոգչ Ah, I see.

user19161

@Cerberus As usual, many issues going on at once and at random.

user19161

Such is the profundity of this chat!

Cerberus

@JSBձոգչ But can bodies interact at all without minds participating?

Would it not be like brushing against a chair?

JSBձոգչ

@Cerberus But can minds interact at all without bodies participating?

user19161

How did we enter this mind body duality thing again?

JSBձոգչ

2:05 PM

this is kind of the point

tchrist

@ЯegDwight Is there still a concept of flag weight? Does it order the mod queue?

Cerberus

@JSBձոգչ I'd say no.

tchrist

showers

user19161

@Cerberus At least not for humans. There are realms of beings with mind but no body.

JSBձոգչ

@Cerberus agreed. and this is my point: all things human involve both mind and body, and it is a mistake to take the former as primary and ignore or deprecate the latter

user19161

2:10 PM

One can only deprecate software like flash.

Cerberus

@WillHunting So you say.

@JSBձոգչ Well, most people would rather lack a part of their body, I think.

Although certain parts are off limits.

JSBձոգչ

okaaaay... what's your point?

Cerberus

That perhaps it is not so strange that many people should consider their minds more important.

JSBձոգչ

i'm not sure this is actually the case

there are parts of my mind that i would more gladly give up than most parts of my body

i think this is true of most people

Cerberus

Do you even feel that your mind consists of discrete parts?

JSBձոգչ

2:14 PM

i think that the real problem is that the mind is more difficult to separate into parts

Cerberus

Exactly.

And taking away a "part" is usually seen as a degradation of the whole.

JSBձոգչ

so the real problem is considering what the mental equivalent of losing your pinky is, and which you'd actually rather have

Cerberus

Memories are perhaps the only truly discrete parts.

And much of our self-awareness revolves around memory.

JSBձոգչ

i can think of a lot of memories i would give up before i gave up my pinky

Matt Эллен

I'd be too afraid of the cascade effect of losing a memory. Who knows what else would go with it?

ЯegDwight

2:19 PM

@tchrist yes and yes.

JSBձոգչ

@MattЭллен but you forget things all the time

user19161

@MattЭллен Well, I will never forget you!

Matt Эллен

@JSBձոգչ right, but I don't choose. The system works, but I don't know how

Cerberus

@JSBձոգչ Yeah, exactly. But would you give up any other part of your mind, if such could be done?

ΜετάEd

Good morning, campers!

Cerberus

2:21 PM

Look at these stupid "benches".

JSBձոգչ

@Cerberus i can think of certain skills i possess which i would be willing to forget

Cerberus

Morning!

user19161

@ΜετάEd Hello!

user19161

@Cerberus How beautiful!

Cerberus

@JSBձոգչ Right. Perhaps it is rather that, when one normally loses certain brain functions, the seams turn out to be not so straight, and stuff gets ripped out that we do want to keep.

@WillHunting Seriously?

I just want straight benches, and lots of them.

user19161

2:23 PM

@Cerberus Yes. Is it a bus stop?

JSBձոգչ

@Cerberus for the sake of argument, we should assert that we have a magical Memory Amputator (tm) which takes out memories without side-effects or complications

Cerberus

I don't want 9 stools or whatever instead of 30 seats on benches.

user19161

@JSBձոգչ I would like to forget many things. Even better, I would like to go back to the past and start all over.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus and wooden benches too. not metal. wooden benches don't sap your heat in the winter

Cerberus

@JSBձոգչ In that case, sure.

@MattЭллен Agreed!

Or plastic, even.

@WillHunting Consider also that you can't sit next to your friend on those stupid things.

There is a reason why we have used benches for thousands of years, goddammit!

Modern designers suck balls.

Sorry.

user19161

2:26 PM

@Cerberus Consider how you can sit opposite each other and with no strangers beside you.

KitFox

@Cerberus Not stupid. Can't sleep on those.

Matt Эллен

even Dinosaurs used benches

Cerberus

You know what they did in the public library here?

First of all they wasted millions.

user19161

@KitFox It's quite impossible to sleep comfortably on a flat hard surface. Resting with head on the table on a chair is better.

KitFox

@WillHunting It's quite possible. I did it all the time when I was younger.

Cerberus

2:28 PM

Secondly, they made all the book cases so low that you can look around over their tops; as a result, hardly any book fit into the halls any more, so that most are now locked up in the warehouse, which makes you wait a considerable time before you can get your book. And you can't browse them.

@KitFox Another disadvantage!

user19161

@KitFox Maybe your boobs provided a natural cushion. :-)

Cerberus

I hadn't even thought of that, you can't sleep on those things.

KitFox

@Cerberus I'm sure that's the point.

Cerberus

@WillHunting Manners!

@KitFox But why?

Beggars can't enter the station or they would have to pay.

KitFox

@Cerberus To reduce the presence of itinerants.

@Cerberus Right. Sure. Because homeless people aren't really good at getting around that sort of thing.

Cerberus

2:30 PM

They will be there anyway if they have to wait for the train.

user19161

I know where all the homeless people here sleep, at the beach.

Cerberus

@KitFox It is really hard, and there is security.

user19161

The sand is nice and cushy.

Cerberus

And all but one entrances are closed off at night.

tchrist

@WillHunting Here they apparently sleep in my car.

Cerberus

2:32 PM

I rarely see any homeless people sleeping or sitting at the station.

user19161

@tchrist Well, not too bad if nothing is lost.

KitFox

shrugs Then they are probably nicer if you don't want to share a bench with strangers.

tchrist

@WillHunting Peace of mind.

KitFox

I'm sure there is a reason.

Cerberus

I think it is just design, I really do.

Matt Эллен

2:33 PM

yeah, strangers are weird. I can tell they think I'm weird.

Cerberus

The article mentioned nothing else.

user19161

Tis the season for reason.

user19161

@MattЭллен When they see your beard?

Cerberus

There is much more space on regular benches, so you can sit one seat away from a stranger with the same number of people.

KitFox

@Cerberus Think of all that wasted space.

I am sure it is more than just "because they felt like it."

shakes fist at people like you

Cerberus

2:34 PM

When there are many people, the seats will be taken.

@KitFox Hehe.

Matt Эллен

@WillHunting regardless. it's just what a stranger would do.

cornbread ninja

Morning! Kisses for all.

Cerberus

@KitFox One would certainly hope so. But I have seen worse things happen here. Designers.

user19161

One should just stand at the bus stops if the wait is not too long.

Matt Эллен

grabs free kiss

Cerberus

2:34 PM

Like the library thing I mentioned.

Morning!

user19161

That helps to avoid the mosquitoes as well.

cornbread ninja

@MattЭллен I have yet to put up the new copy of my blag post, but will do so shortly. Please keep in mind that my added parts are rough. :)

KitFox

catches kiss

cornbread ninja

@Cerberus are those mushroom stools meant for one butt at a time?

user19161

I have a huge butt.

Matt Эллен

2:35 PM

@cornbreadninja no worries. I won't be able to read it until I'm back home anyway. so in about 2 hours

cornbread ninja

@MattЭллен fabulous!

user19161

@cornbreadninja He likes em rough.

!!

@WillHunting :O

se va

2:36 PM

So @cornbread, you coming to Writers chat today?

Cerberus

@cornbreadninja I think so; they look fairly small, and who would want to butt against a stranger on such a thing?

KitFox

@Cerberus shakes fist

cornbread ninja

@Cerberus count me out. I was just verifying.

@KitFox I could do that

Cerberus

@KitFox shakes other body part

user19161

@Cerberus Which part? The banana?

KitFox

2:37 PM

@Cerberus kicks body part Nyah.

ЯegDwight

@tchrist at last. It took me a month but here's your present.

Cerberus

I have more options.

cornbread ninja

@tchrist ça va?

Cerberus

@KitFox Ouch! That's not nice.

@ЯegDwight What the hell?

user19161

@Cerberus I know. The rambutans!

Cerberus

2:38 PM

1. Why is that funny?

And 2. why so many people?

KitFox

"Why'd they do that arbitrarily? I liked the old way better!" <–Cerb, no matter what the new thing is.

2

Cerberus

Does the number go up as the site grows?

@KitFox That is absolutely true;

ЯegDwight

@Cerberus it's a bug. The MSO question is now deleted. Probably because it started with "Eeeek!".

tchrist

@ЯegDwight What the hell takes that many close votes?

Start with eek, and it won’t close?

ЯegDwight

You have 10k on MSO? Then you can see for yourself.

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/83748/…

Robusto

2:39 PM

@ЯegDwight Martha's "Eeeeek!" got deleted?

tchrist

No, don’t.

KitFox

"Because it's not effing arbitrary!" <—Kit, no matter what the new thing is.

user19161

@ЯegDwight I have a diamond!

ΜετάEd

@KitFox "Why'd they do that arbitrarily? I liked the old way better!" <–just about anybody, no matter what the new thing is. [ftfy]

KitFox

@ΜετάEd Yeah, but Cerb is the only one to bitch about them all in chat.

tchrist

2:40 PM

@cornbreadninja No, una persona se va. Irse is reflexive in Spanish, means to leave. Me voy, I’m off. Imperative: Vámanos, let’s go.

Cerberus

@KitFox But I can immediately name several disadvantages, not to mention the waste of public money! They probably paid tens of thousands to this designer bureau, then hundreds of thousands to build these things across the country. Or millions. And then there is the inconvenience for travellers (blocked platforms, noise).

ЯegDwight

@Robusto that one wasn't Martha's eek. But yes. Er. Which planet have you been living on? Hers got deleted within a week, by JA Rule, and we spent weeks in this very room talking about little else. Yes, you too.

ΜετάEd

@KitFox @Cerberus no bitching about every arbitrary thing in chat.

Cerberus

@ЯegDwight Why is it a bug? Because so many people?

cornbread ninja

@tchrist k bai?

KitFox

2:41 PM

@Cerberus You think it was a waste of money because you think it was arbitrary, when it likely was not.

ЯegDwight

@Cerberus Do you even know how many people it takes to close a question? :P

Robusto

@MattЭллен Surely there are things you wish you could unsee or unknow. And didn't Charlie Kaufman cover all this in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind?

ЯegDwight

That was one fine movie.

user19161

@Robusto A terrible movie.

ЯegDwight

See. QED.

Robusto

2:42 PM

@ЯegDwight I had that erased from my memory.

user19161

We have come full circle.

ЯegDwight

@Robusto Understandable.

Matt Эллен

@Robusto maybe, but they could be inextricably linked to things at the other end of the spectrum

KitFox

Like my naughty checkboxes?

Robusto

I think I knew it was closed, not deleted.

user19161

2:42 PM

I am sure you all know the worst movie of all time by now.

user19161

I have said it over 9000 times.

ЯegDwight

@Robusto I think the order on that one was delete then close, then delete some more, lock, purge all comments, delete, delete, and delete.

Cerberus

@KitFox I can assure you that arbitrary construction with public money is a serious and widespread problem here. There is a very popular show about it on television right now, about villages, companies, and schools building hugely expensive new buildings, even though experts say that they are broke and don't need 'em.

Robusto

Apr 26 at 12:28, by Robusto

@JasperLoy Stop trying to live up to all our expectations.

Cerberus

I could go on.

Don't make me.

user19161

2:43 PM

Who remembers the worst movie? Who?

Robusto

@ЯegDwight Rinse and delete.

ЯegDwight

@WillHunting Gigli.

Cerberus

@ЯegDwight Haha. Fewer than on that picture!

Robusto

Plan 9 From Outer Space is commonly thought to be the worst movie evah.

ЯegDwight

@Cerberus It's a bingo!

Cerberus

2:44 PM

It's unnatural, that's what it is.

user19161

@ЯegDwight It is...Freeze (Japanese movie) where woman cuts up men she has sex with and stores the parts in the freezer.

ЯegDwight

@Robusto they haven't seen Daniel Der Zauberer, then.

imdb.com/title/tt0421051

user19161

In the end, she had to get more and more freezers as she killed more and more people.

user19161

What a sick story!

Robusto

@ЯegDwight imdb.com/title/tt0060666

Raise.

Matt Эллен

2:45 PM

@WillHunting it's AI, a film where noöne understand the concept of AI or technological or sociological advancement. Gods I hate that film.

KitFox

@Robusto imdb.com/title/tt0385639

ЯegDwight

@Robusto imdb.com/title/tt0330994

KitFox

Call.

ЯegDwight

Call.

user19161

The best animation is...

ЯegDwight

2:46 PM

Jinx.

KitFox

Jinx

Meta-jinx

ЯegDwight

Meta-jinx

Meta-meta-jinx.

KitFox

meta-meta-jinx

user19161

The Polar Express!

Cerberus

We have 6 million square metres of vacant office space in the Netherlands, which is about a third of the total I think—and yet half a million are added each year. It's madness. De Nederlandsche Bank has even warned that it could cause another property bubble with a new future economic crisis.

Matt Эллен

2:46 PM

outside-jinx

KitFox

3x jinx

ЯegDwight

@KitFox 4.7? You're out of your gorram mind. Mine has 1.4.

4.7 is stellar.

KitFox

@ЯegDwight Have you seen Death Bed?

Cerberus

And German pensions funds partly fund these new offices, because the German government gives them some sort of bonus if they invest abroad.

dixi

Robusto

@Cerberus So that's where all the closet space in Manhattan went.

ЯegDwight

2:47 PM

@KitFox I only watch crap movies. 4.7 is too good for my tastes.

user19161

@ЯegDwight You should watch Sommersturm.

ЯegDwight

@KitFox And yeah... I think I actually have!

Cerberus

@Robusto I thought every space on Manhattan was closet space, i.e. that everyone lived in closets, just as in good old Tokyo?

ЯegDwight

@WillHunting you should star in Sommersturm.

Robusto

I would point out that Manos: The Hands of Fate is rated 1.5 on IMDB.

Cerberus

2:48 PM

You and your flatmate switch rooms every other night, so you can sleep horizontally every other day.

user19161

@ЯegDwight It is one of the best movies ever, seriously. I watched it a few times already!

ЯegDwight

@Robusto Which part of "mine has 1.4" you no understand?

Robusto

@ЯegDwight Didn't see that. But obviously it is statistically insignificant. A rounding error.

Cerberus

A Tokyo apartment:

This is a luxury suite.

ЯegDwight

@Cerberus they should move to the Netherlands.

Cerberus

2:49 PM

Yeah!

ЯegDwight

You have room for 6 million of them.

Cerberus

Why 6 million?

ЯegDwight

3 mins ago, by Cerberus

We have 6 million square metres of vacant office space in the Netherlands, which is about a third of the total I think—and yet half a million are added each year. It's madness. De Nederlandsche Bank has even warned that it could cause another property bubble with a new future economic crisis.

Come on dude. Pay attention.

Cerberus

Ah.

Yes, true.

user19161

Hey do you guys know that the British billion is the same as the American billion now?

user19161

2:50 PM

I only found out a few months ago.

ЯegDwight

@WillHunting no, nobody knows that, and that's why it's not true.

Cerberus

They are trying to convert office space into living space, which is scarce here.

But regulations and stuff.

Many squatters and anti-squatters in empty office buildings, though.

user19161

@reg I also recommend you La Mala Educacion.

ЯegDwight

You can have mala educación on my behalf.

Cerberus

Matt Эллен

2:52 PM

@WillHunting >Christmas has changed so much that you only associate it with rice porridge and Donald Duck.

Cerberus

Why do people in Japan think they're dolls?

ЯegDwight

@Cerberus that would be China.

Cerberus

I searched for Tokyo.

ЯegDwight

And got China.

Cerberus

It's probably Tokyo.

ЯegDwight

2:53 PM

Hold the presses.

user19161

@Cerberus Even the site says cn.

Cerberus

Just because it's on a Chinese site, huh...

Robusto

I win! imdb.com/title/tt0055380

That's a 1.3 right there.

Matt Эллен

house.sina.com.cn sounds Chinese to me

Cerberus

Then it is hereby American, since it is now on an American site.

Matt Эллен

2:53 PM

\/\/007

Cerberus

And we too.

ЯegDwight

@Robusto Not bad. Not sure I can bottom that.

user19161

@MattЭллен The four characters there mean "new tide happy house".

Cerberus

Better practise your gnawing accents, guys!

user19161

@Cerberus Practise.

Cerberus

2:54 PM

"Happy" is so typically Chinese.

Robusto

@WillHunting Thank you, Non Sequitur! You're our hero!

Cerberus

All right, all right.

user19161

@Robusto Yes, from zero to hero!

Robusto

@ЯegDwight You bottom practically everything else. Not sure why this should be different.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus neeevor! I woll spik wath niii dooterminobol iccont

Cerberus

2:56 PM

Niii?

Matt Эллен

ubsalutloo

Cerberus

I will speak what an/no determinable account?

Matt Эллен

I will speak with no determinable accent

Cerberus

Ahh.

Well, it certainly wasn't determinable!

Matt Эллен

sacksoss!

Cerberus

2:57 PM

Blobbelding.

ЯegDwight

whole post cannot be pasted sometimes it is better to post link, because the solution is not available in one piece. — Randeep Singh 27 mins ago

FFS.

When I get my Marshal, I'm out of that hole.

Cerberus

►

What do you think will happen?

Matt Эллен

they will eat a picnic lunch?

cornbread ninja

He fixes the cable?

Cerberus

Perhaps.

ЯegDwight

3:04 PM

They could have built an Eiffel tower in that time.

►

Cerberus

That's...big.

►

This one's very frightening.

It is in Toronto @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 .

ЯegDwight

> In the United Sttes the babies would get run over, then people will stop and film it with their phones vertically while calling the cops, who later beat the living shit out of the remaining ducks and some bystanders. Police beating goes viral, Al Sharpton claim it is hate speech because a black man was beat, and then Kanye West writes a song about the injustice done to the black community, wins 7 Grammies, despite only being written in 3 notes.

YouTube delivers. Again.

Cerberus

Such brilliant prose.

Must be a parody.

ЯegDwight

You really like to give people credit, don't you.

Robusto

Jul 6 '11 at 13:45, by RegDwight

Stop pretending that you're every woman. That would make you Whitney Houston.

I think we can blame Reg for her death now. People just stopped pretending.

Cerberus

3:10 PM

I'm not voting to close that comment if that's what you want.

ЯegDwight

I am voting for you to start making sense.

@Robusto Whitney started it. The stopping pretending, that is.

Matt Эллен

I vote against Cerberus making sense

ЯegDwight

I said start. I never said not stop.

Matt Эллен

I vote against the whole thing

ЯegDwight

I vote against you.

Matt Эллен

3:14 PM

I knew it! You and your anti-terrifying-orc-head sentiment. I'm so oppressed

ΜετάEd

@MattЭллен Oh dear Gothmog.

cornbread ninja

@MattЭллен elp! elp! I'm bein' oppressed!

user19161

@ЯegDwight She died because she stopped believing.

cornbread ninja

3:40 PM

howdy @simchona!

JSBձոգչ

i'm hungry. how can i be so hungry when it's not even 11?

user19161

@JSBձոգչ Because it is cold?

JSBձոգչ

but it's not. it's quite warm.

user19161

Maybe you slept late last night.

Matt Эллен

because you've been sat opposite a restaurant all day?

toodles

Robusto

3:44 PM

toodles for noodles?

JSBձոգչ

mmmm noodles

user19161

Or poodles.

Robusto

I guess poodles would constitute food in your country.

user19161

Actually, no.

Robusto

Then Non Sequitur strikes again.

We were talking food.

KitFox

3:45 PM

Writers' Chat is starting soon.

user19161

I am thinking, what other words end with oodles.

Robusto

oodles ends with oodles.

user19161

doodles

Robusto

You could have said "oodles of noodles."

You could have said "oodles of noodles that look like doodles."

user19161

Oodles of noodles that look like doodles were eaten by poodles.

simchona

3:46 PM

The whole kit and kaboodle

Robusto

I guess butyls is a rhyme for noodles, but I would hate to include it.

user19161

The banana in the papaya in the iguana in the zenana is in Panama.

JSBձոգչ

plus, butyls aren't delicious at all

KitFox

My relationship with kaboodle has really been blown out of proportion.

Robusto

Also Boodles gin.

@KitFox You just can't lay off the sex metaphors, can you?

user19161

3:47 PM

Tony rode on a bony pony while listening to Sony.

KitFox

@Robusto I have a carpet-bombing kind of humor.

user19161

I think each of my three messages above should be starred.

Robusto

We don't always get what we think. And we seldom get what you think.

2

user19161

We can't get it when we think; we get it only when we believe.

user19161

Hehe, I knew someone would star that.

KitFox

4:11 PM

Damn it. Why won't these checkboxes behave?

Noah

@KitFox checkboxes?

JSBձոգչ

naughty, naughty checkboxes

put them in the timeout corner until they shape up

KitFox

I can't get it to check again when it changes.

Cerberus

Yeah, stack them good!

KitFox

I must be using the wrong event or something.

Noah

4:22 PM

@KitFox are you a programmer?

Noah

4:41 PM

This is not stackoverflow :)

Are we supposed to be checking computer codes here, heheheh

KitFox

OK, fine. I'll go sit by myself in the jQry room. If anyone can help me over there, I'd much appreciate it.

Noah

No, just kidding...

I dont know much about jQuery...

Sorry, if i offeneded u

KitFox

→ 35 messages moved to I can haz jQuery?

@Noah No offense taken. It's why we created the satellite room.

simchona

@noah -- your comment here is a bit off topic for the thread, so I'm going to delete it

What does punish away mean? I am concerned about the away part. — Noah 58 mins ago

Actually the whole thread is out of hand.

Noah

Before you take it off, I need to know that expression...

simchona

4:51 PM

Purged already. Please don't use comments to ask new questions.

Noah

Okay, sorry.

simchona

He meant it along the lines of "fire away" though

Like "have at it" or "go ahead"--"go ahead and punish me, but..."

Noah

Like kick me in the butt, but be careful to not hurt me...

Sorry if I went a bit too extreme...

simchona

You could say "kick away, but don't hurt me" and it'd be roughly equivalent

Noah

Omm....

How's your cat?

simchona

4:57 PM

Dead.

ΜετάEd

Yikes.

@simchona I admit it.

Forgot the first rule of trolls.

KitFox

Writers'Chat for anyone who wants to join today:

The Overlook Hotel

General discussion for writing.stackexchange.com. Writing exer...

Going on now.

Robusto

5:30 PM

How are things on Stank Overflow.

The Overlook Hotel

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