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Cerberus

10:00 PM

@tchrist Yes. In detailed IPA, you would use different sumbols. In dictionary IPA, you would simply use /l/ for both.

user19161

@Robusto Yoichi Oishi can be shortened to Yoishi.

Cerberus

@Robusto That is very different: the u in fulsome is not a schwa at all to me.

@Robusto To me, that sounds like ɜ and a schwa.

user19161

@Cerberus Nobody will pronounce it like a schwa except in very lazy speech.

Cerberus

All right, I suppose it is possible to pronounce it as a schwa there.

Also depends on your accent, probably.

user19161

Well, anyone can pronounce any word in any way.

ΜετάEd

10:06 PM

@Mitch Really? It's my impression that the Klan generally hated on any ties to Jews or blacks. If you had Jewish or black ancestry, it mattered not a whit whether you were also married. See what I'm saying?

Cerberus

It was like that here too.

When the Nazis had conquered us.

ΜετάEd

@Mitch Impertinent in what sense?

RegDwight АΑA

Do we want this?

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Q: A value has 'reduced by factor of 3'. Does this make mathematical sense?

I'm just reading some statistics. Last year there were 3000 observations, this year there are only 1000. This is described as showing a "fall by a factor of 3". This phrase doesn't ring true. If a factor of 3 is a 1/3, then a fall by a third would be down to 2000. So the phrase is meant to r...

statistics

Funny, it's been open for a year with no answers.

Wouldn't happen on ELU.

ΜετάEd

@Cerberus Right. Nazi and Klan race hatred overlap to a considerable degree. The Nazis, though, I think were Catholic friendly, plus they also hated on the Gypsies. I think the Klan would have hated on the Gypsies too if we had any though.

RegDwight АΑA

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Cerberus

10:13 PM

@ΜετάEd Yeah, they certainly hated gypsies. As to their attitude towards the Church, I think it varied.

Oh, we are two years old already?

RegDwight АΑA

Oh my

Cerberus

We should host a party!

RegDwight АΑA

People have been getting their second Yearling badges for weeks.

Cerberus

I know, I'm stupid, and you're so smart.

RegDwight АΑA

Attentive != smart.

Cerberus

10:18 PM

> Back at home, apparently this included following on the FBI's tactic of assuming that "brown skin = terrorist." As such, they've spent the past few years spying on "Muslim neighbrhoods" throughout New York (with help from the CIA), sending undercover agents and informants into Muslim groups and organizations:

Yay, here's racism and vocalised consonants in one quotation!

RegDwight АΑA

See, attentive != smart. QED.

Cerberus

techdirt.com/articles/20120821/09094820113/…

ΜετάEd

@Cerberus Well I am certainly no expert on that. There seems to be much controversy about what Hitler would have done to the Catholic Church eventually. He seems certainly to have expected it to report to him, just like every other institution. Imagine Hitler as Pope. 8P

RegDwight АΑA

> the main "suspect" actually alerted the FBI to the informant who was trying to coax him into taking part in a plot (which didn't stop him from being arrested, even if the case was eventually dropped)

comedy gold

Well, except for the suspect.

Cerberus

@ΜετάEd Yeah, would have been fun. Mussolini needed the Pope's (tacit) coöperation, and the Pope needed Mussolini to get off his back, so this deadlock-turned-coöperation was unlikely to change any time soon.

ΜετάEd

10:22 PM

@KitFox What I was trying to express I posted about 15 minutes ago in a reply to Mitch.

@Cerberus I am afraid of when we forget the lesson of Nazi Germany enough that we elect fascists in the US. We keep getting closer and closer.

Cerberus

Yeah, they never conquered you.

Certain taboos are still strong across Europe because of the War.

Even so, people seem to be offended by remarks on race more quickly in America, because of your history with slaves and such.

KitFox

So do we want that Math question?

Here it is again for your consideration:

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Q: A value has 'reduced by factor of 3'. Does this make mathematical sense?

I'm just reading some statistics. Last year there were 3000 observations, this year there are only 1000. This is described as showing a "fall by a factor of 3". This phrase doesn't ring true. If a factor of 3 is a 1/3, then a fall by a third would be down to 2000. So the phrase is meant to r...

statistics

And anyway, I'm off for a bit more.

TRiG

10:40 PM

Sorry, Yoichi. I have to vote "Not Constructive" on this one. You're probably already aware from press coverage that Akin is about the only anglophone on the planet who would speak of ‘legitimate rape’ (modesty forbids me from saying exactly what I think of Akin - but I can assure you it's not much, and none of it's favourable! :) — FumbleFingers 2 mins ago

@fumblefingers, you are, sadly, wrong.

His views are actually typical in his social circle.

Cerberus

That sucks.

TRiG

> For his fellow pro-lifers, fellow Republicans and fellow PCA leaders, Akin’s only crime was one of candor, not heresy. For them, his mistake was his tactlessness, and not the substance of what he said.

Source.

Cerberus

I wonder why he thinks women can prevent themselves from impregnation.

RegDwight АΑA

La 'restauración' de una pintura mural en una iglesia de Borja acaba en "chapuza" WTF @tchrist

TRiG

@Cerberus Ah well, he can't be blamed for misspeaking.

Cerberus

10:47 PM

Haha.

Great.

TRiG

@Cerberus Also,

> When are women going to face the fact that they don’t know their own bodies as well as men who have heard things?

Source.

Cerberus

@RegDwightАΑA Haha, WTF indeed.

RegDwight АΑA

Someone has watched too much Mr Bean The Movie.

Cerberus

@TRiG > Don Langrick, Bonsai Culturist

Cool job.

RegDwight АΑA

@Cerberus: myspace.com/video/joe/mr-bean-ruins-painting/17656798

TRiG

10:52 PM

@Cerberus The Onion is rather awesome. But I think they're often fighting Poe's Law.

user19161

Hey @trig. Nice to see you.

TRiG

@JasperLoy Hi.

user19161

@KitFox I saw it was migrated to math. Actually I think they won't want it either, but never mind.

user19161

I see it more suitable for ELU, really.

user19161

In any case, that phrasing is ambiguous and should be rewritten. "Reduced by factor of 3" is just complete rubbish. QED.

ΜετάEd

10:55 PM

@TRiG I'm glad to see that not all the religious nutters are from Texas.

Cerberus

@RegDwightАΑA Like that!

@TRiG What's that?

RegDwight АΑA

@Cerberus I really think that's exactly what happened. Start to finish. Including the reaction from the art historian.

Cerberus

Possible.

BRB

TRiG

@Cerberus Original formulation of Poe's Law:

> Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing.

Hang on. No. That's the amended version. The original was specific to Creationists.

> Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake it for the genuine article.

Discussion / Source.

As an example, take this headline: "Tampa Bay Gay Prostitutes Gearing Up For Flood Of Closeted Republicans".

KitFox

11:10 PM

@JasperLoy No, Math is asking us if we want it.

Cerberus

@TRiG Oh, yes, I remember. A sound law.

@TRiG Haha, I don't even understand this.

ΜετάEd

Maybe a Balrog could help me with AHK.

RegDwight АΑA

@KitFox oh Kit I have an NSFW picture for you.

tchrist

@RegDwightАΑA What's the question? What a chapuza is?

RegDwight АΑA

A question? There was a question?

tchrist

11:25 PM

There was a “WTF?”.

Perhaps it was exclamatory only.

RegDwight АΑA

Well have you looked at that?

tchrist

No, I only looked at the words. Moment.

RegDwight АΑA

Well that explains it.

tchrist

I hadn't know it was a link.

Oh my.

I don’t see how they’re going to fix that one.

user19161

@KitFox Sure, I'll answer it.

tchrist

11:31 PM

@RegDwightАΑA I give up. What were you doing reading the newspaper of a minor village in Aragón with fewer people in it than Lake Geneva?

user19161

@RegDwightАΑA It is not for me?

user19161

@tchrist Isn't Aragon the guy in LOTR?

tchrist

@JasperLoy glares

Damn non-rhotics.

RegDwight АΑA

@tchrist I was WTFing, that's what.

And now I must be off.

Ouvert et haut !

user19161

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Q: How does one pronounce /oʊ/ in /oʊvərˈsiz/ in American English?

Today when I checked the Oxford American Dictionary for the pronunciation of overseas, I got this in IPA: /oʊvərˈsiz/. According to my understanding, the /ʊ/ phoneme is pronounced o or something like put, so the pronunciation of this word would be very difficult, or even meaningless.

pronunciation american-english ipa

user19161

11:46 PM

Why -2? OP shows research effort...

user19161

I think we are too liberal with the downvotes here, really.

tchrist

@JasperLoy It’s my bad answer. Probably if I deleted it, the question would look better.

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