English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

and I don't like "MBK Center" without an article. I'd put "the" in front of it, but if it's "MBK Center" is an acceptable local usage, then this is OK.

Cerberus

Why not "Let's move on to the second floor."?

David Wallace

5:07 AM

"Jatujak weekend market" should have capitals like this - "Jatujak Weekend Market".

Cerberus

> in the belief that it can help our business go better.

Anonymous

I will take not on all of your comments. :)

Cerberus

What do you think of this? "Go better"?

I would say "improve our business".

Or "increase", maybe.

Depending on the intended meaning.

David Wallace

In addition to clothes, the third floor also has some cosmetics vendors, gift shop vendors and some hand-drawing services at which the painter will sketch you in around 30 minutes.

Don't say "in addition to" and "also" - pick one or the other.

And "at which" sounds wrong - maybe "where" would be better.

Cerberus

And "gift shop vendors" => "gift shops".

David Wallace

5:09 AM

@Cerberus Ooh yes, I missed that one. Quite comical really isn't it?

"Hello, do you have any gift shops for sale?"

Cerberus

Note to @Anonymous: the fact that we have new corrections to suggest doesn't mean that the first editor wasn't good: this always happens when you have another person look at it, especially if the original was ehm a bit flawed (no offence).

@DavidWallace Haha exactly.

Anonymous

The lucky cat is like amulet that people believe it helps the store get more customer.

Cerberus

I mean, you see that David and I also supplement each other.

David Wallace

I don't like "painting patterns" - could be "painted patterns" or just "paintings".

@Cerberus yes, we've even been known to finish each other's ...

Cerberus

> The lucky cat is like an amulet that people believe <remove "it"> helps the store to get more customers. — And maybe remove "like" altogether.

David Wallace

5:12 AM

"It also loaded with gift vendors who sell dolls, figures, photo frames, etc." - this sentence missing a verb.

Is there really an ice cream flavour called iberry? It sounds like some kind of mobile communications device!

Cerberus

@DavidWallace ... sentences. Oops, too late.

Anonymous

No.

iberry is the name of local ice cream vendor in Thailand.

"It also loaded with gift vendors who sell dolls, figures, photo frames, etc." - this sentence missing <- What should I say here?

Cerberus

"It is also loaded".

David Wallace

Your two sentences about the fifth floor contradict each other.

Anonymous

@DavidWallace Do you mean "I don’t know how this red bridge related to San Francisco but I think it is a famous bridge in San
Francisco.

This red bridge is designed to resemble the famous Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco."?

David Wallace

5:16 AM

On the sixth floor, put "a" before "few".

@Anonymous Yes. You can't deny knowing that it's the Golden Gate Bridge, then tell us that it's the Golden Gate Bridge.

"I don’t like watching movies in the theater" seems unidiomatic to me. Maybe just say "I don't like going to the movies".

Anonymous

The editor added "This red bridge is designed to resemble the famous Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco." via comment box in word document. Google doc must converted it to plain text. :)

David Wallace

I had a powerful sense of deja vu while writing that last sentence. I'm half expecting Reg Dwight to show up, and quote somebody else saying the exact same thing in 2008 or something.

@Anonymous - I hope you're going to print out this page and take it with you when we're all finished commenting.

Anonymous

@DavidWallace do you mean ""I don’t like watching movies in the theater" seems unidiomatic to me. Maybe just say "I don't like going to the movies" already said by someone.

Yes, I will ask you how to print this chat transcript too. :)

David Wallace

@Anonymous Maybe.

Anonymous

Do you have any comments about the last page; gourmet market.

David Wallace

5:23 AM

There's a sentence that has "also" and "too". Use one or the other but not both.

Anonymous

Thank you. :)

I found a way to print it. chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/95/2012/4/3

David Wallace

Also, I don't agree with Cerberus' remark that "the fact that we have new corrections to suggest doesn't mean that the first editor wasn't good". I think that a professional editor should have caught MOST of the errors that Cerberus and I have pointed out.

The whole point of having a professional editor is to have some confidence that the output will be perfect English. But your editor has not produced perfect English, and has therefore not done their job well enough.

Anonymous

I think I should find another copy editor.

David Wallace

Lastly, did you intend for this to be written in American English? There are many American spellings here.

Cerberus

@DavidWallace That was before I saw any of those more serious errors. The first page or two were OK.

Anonymous

5:31 AM

Yes, I intend to write in American English.

I don't know what's normal rate for professional copy editor. This man cost me $5 for this article.

David Wallace

I can't comment on wages in Thailand. It would have cost you a lot more if you'd had it done here.

Anonymous

I hire this man online. He lives in the U.S.

Cerberus

@DavidWallace I think my point stands in general: only if a second editor finds more than one or two serious errors can the first editor be said to be really at fault (even the best editor overlooks some errors, it can't be helped—especially if there were many to start with).

David Wallace

@Anonymous OK, this seems very cheap for someone living in USA. We have a proverb - "if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys". I think it applies here.

@Cerberus OK, I agree. And you're right; the first two pages were better than subsequent ones.

Anonymous

The highest price I got it $8 for this article.

Cerberus

5:34 AM

So perhaps this guy became sloppy once he realized how much work it was going to be for only $ 5.

Anonymous

What is a good rate for this paper - 700 words long.

I will pay with higher rate to get better job. :)

David Wallace

I am not a professional editor, but if I were, I probably would have charged $50 or thereabouts for doing this.

Cerberus

@Anonymous Depends on how good you want it to be. If I have to completely honest, I don't think it will pay off to have a perfectly edited advertising brochure. People will only read it casually—no literary criticism.

@DavidWallace Hmm I think copy-editing is usually not paid well.

Just like translating.

David Wallace

Hehe, maybe that's WHY I'm not a professional editor.

Cerberus

Yup.

Anonymous

5:38 AM

The highest rate I found on odesk is about $40 per hour and that copy editor told me he could completed about 6 x 700 words article in an hour.

Cerberus

I mean, we transcribed and translated Latin manuscripts. And we couldn't ask for more than € 10 / hour.

Or their budget would not have been enough to cover us.

David Wallace

@Cerberus OK, I would not work for that.

Anonymous

I am going to have lunch or I am going to have a lunch or I am going to have some lunch?

Cerberus

Even though transcription and translation from Latin is highly specialised work, requiring knowledge of history, philology, etc.

Anonymous

which one is correct word.

Cerberus

5:40 AM

All three are correct but have different meanings.

The first is the least specific: you're announcing you're going to have the mid-day meal.

"A lunch" means it is an actual event, like a meeting with food at lunch time.

"Some lunch" is less common; I'd interpret that as that you don't have time to have a full lunch, so you're just going to have a quick bite.

Anonymous

What is "some lunch" means in my sentence?

Ahh, thank you.

So, I am going to have lunch.

See you in an hour - if you aren't off to bed. :)

Cerberus

OK I hope the food will be good!

What do you eat for lunch anyway?

I love Thai food.

Anonymous

I will eat salad with dressing. I am on diet, lol.

Mahnax

So how's everyone?

Cerberus

Haha sounds delicious.

Hi! What time is it now?

Mahnax

5:50 AM

Almost midnight.

I'll be heading off to bed soon.

Cerberus

I didn't know you liked to bead before bed.

Necklace? Bracelet?

Ha.

Oh. Less fun.

Sorry.

I suppose it was your Canadian accent shimmering through?

Mahnax

5:54 AM

Do you have any plans for today?

Cerberus

Palaeography, that's all.

Mahnax

@Cerberus No, I don't pronounce bed like bead.

Cerberus

Too bad.

I may have dinner with a friend.

Mahnax

Ah, nice.

I have made a few good friends this semester.

Cerberus

So you will be busy with school and work?

Oh, good.

Mahnax

5:55 AM

When?

Cerberus

Where?

Mahnax

School. I will most likely take IB classes with these 12 people for the next two years.

We will all become very good friends, I predict.

Cerberus

Excellent!

Mahnax

Some I like more than others, but I don't dislike anyone in my class(es).

Cerberus

I take it they are intelligent and moderately mature?

Mahnax

5:57 AM

Yes.

Cerberus

Good.

Mahnax

I agree.

Cerberus

Socialising is an important aspect of school.

Mahnax

I am so sick of stupid people in class…

Cerberus

You can do without, but it's better if you don't.

Mahnax

5:57 AM

@Cerberus Certainly.

Cerberus

Hmm you really have no interesting people in your other classes?

Mahnax

I'm not saying that.

Cerberus

Question: is it true that people of all levels of intelligence are in the same normal class in Canadian high school?

Mahnax

No.

Cerberus

I believe that to be the case in the USA.

Oh.

Mahnax

5:59 AM

There are different levels.

Cerberus

Ah OK.

How many?

Mahnax

Three.

Cerberus

Ah OK.

Mahnax

But it can vary by course and school.

Cerberus

So are you regularly in the same room as the ehm less bright children?

Mahnax

6:00 AM

Not anymore.

There were still less bright people in honours classes.

I hate to sound rude about it, but…

Cerberus

I understand.

user19161

Boo!

Cerberus

I have nothing against dumb people, but here they are also often more violent and rough in general.

Mahnax

Hi Jasper.

Cerberus

Hi!

user19161

6:04 AM

@Mahnax Are you having hols now?

Cerberus

I am very glad I went to a safe, small school with nice kids.

Mahnax

@Cerberus They are also more likely to cause a ruckus in general.

Cerberus

Yeah.

Mahnax

@WillHunting Nope, first day back was today.

Cerberus

My school had almost only smart and upper-class/upper-middle-class children.

user19161

6:04 AM

@Cerberus There are various streams here: express, normal and technical.

Cerberus

Oh? Express?

user19161

@Cerberus Just terminology.

Cerberus

Funneh.

So how does that work?

user19161

The issue of whether to separate students like that is a constant debate.

Cerberus

Like how?

user19161

6:06 AM

There are different syllabuses supposedly catered to the different groups.

user19161

I am not sure if the separation is a good idea.

Cerberus

Here we have three school types, each preparing for different subsequent education. University, higher vocational college, and lower vocational college (not sure how to translate).

user19161

I think the express kids do too much book work and the technical kids do too much hand work.

Cerberus

Oh, yes, we have the problem of too many books and theories and stupid reports for the kids who just want to work with their hands.

user19161

Also the separation may create discrimination between the groups and inability to mix well with the other groups.

Cerberus

6:09 AM

That is the case here.

But is it fair to drag the smarter kids down to help the others?

user19161

I don't see it that way. I think it is nice for everyone to go through the same hybrid curriculum.

user19161

The separation can always take place later at the college level.

Cerberus

Even if it's boring for smart kids and too theoretical for the practically minded?

We had one technical subject (techniek), and I hated it, because it was not at all theoretical.

user19161

I think the theoretically minded should be more practical and the practically minded should be more theoretical.

Mahnax

Bedtime, bye!

Cerberus

6:12 AM

Bye!

Why?

Just let people do what they're good at.

user19161

That would result in a better society. Ultimately a person needs a bit of all these things.

Cerberus

Besides, it's better for society if the right kind of education exists for the jobs available.

user19161

I feel the separation at such an early stage (age 15) is not good.

Cerberus

Oh, here it is at age 13.

user19161

@Cerberus Hence the different paths at the college level.

user19161

6:13 AM

@Cerberus Sorry I think it is 13 here too, my bad.

Cerberus

But many not-so-smart kids don't go to college.

And why should they?

They usually learn better in practice.

By repairing cars, etc. etc. under the tutelage of a real mechanic.

user19161

I think the difference in opinion is a quantitative and not a qualitative one.

user19161

Instead of 13 I think it should be 18 for example.

Cerberus

To some degree, yes.

user19161

Many practical jobs require theory and many theoretical jobs require practice.

user19161

6:15 AM

There is not so much difference between theory and practice as we may think.

Cerberus

But you mustn't underestimate how hard high school can be for smart kids if they are in an environment with many kids who are much more streetwise.

They will get bullied and stimulated to not study.

And bullying is really extremely harmful.

user19161

My belief is that ultimately the difference between these kids is overestimated.

Cerberus

Well, not in my experience.

user19161

@Cerberus The more practical kids mix with one another and sort of influence one another in negative ways.

user19161

If there is a mixture the state of affairs will be a more healthy one arguably.

Cerberus

6:18 AM

I think scientific research has shown that brighter kids do best when they're unmixed.

While less bright kids profit from mixing, to some degree.

user19161

Social science is not the same as science.

user19161

I think there is a lot of bullshit theory out there.

Cerberus

In any case, what knowledge we have points in that direction, at least in my country.

An example: it's no fun being called a nerd and gay and being beaten after school.

Nor is it fun to be extremely bored in class and not stimulated properly.

user19161

@Cerberus And then turning to stimulants!

Cerberus

Just as it is no fun feeling inferior because many of your class mates are so much brighter.

user19161

6:21 AM

@Cerberus That feeling might exist because of the separation.

Cerberus

@WillHunting Usually the brighter kids are less inclined to do drugs, though of course many will do it.

@WillHunting Not really: if you aren't confronted with their knowing everything better than you every day, it is not so frustrating.

Like playing in a sports team where half the team is much better than you.

Of course it also depends on how the school and the lessons are organized exactly.

user19161

So today I learnt that reveal is a noun.

user19161

This site always amazes me.

Cerberus

Hmm can you use it in a sentence?

user19161

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Q: "Reveal" (noun) vs. "revelation"

I just posed this question on sci-fi.stackexchange and had my wording corrected from reveal to revelation. I realise that to have said that too early in the film would have ruined the big reveal. Is there some in-universe reason for Palpatine to refer to Luke's father as Anakin? Some kind of ...

Anonymous

6:25 AM

Hello.

Cerberus

Ah, yes, the big reveal.

But that is almost idiomatic: I wouldn't easily use it in another context.

It is informal anyway.

Anonymous

Just got back from Terminal 21, the shopping mall in article I wrote. :)

Cerberus

Hi!

David Wallace

@Cerberus Disagree. I find it a perfectly standard usage.

Cerberus

It sounds a bit like a typical film or book review.

Maybe that doesn't count as informal.

David Wallace

6:30 AM

@Cerberus Do you think that's likely to be comparable with what our pulchritudinous friend earns for her Persian to English translations?

Cerberus

@DavidWallace Could be. She could be earning more: it mainly depends on how much money the company/institution has that contracted her.

If you translate for a bank, you will get a much better pay than if you translate for a novel.

Even though the quality and intellectual demands put on the translator are much greater for the novel (if it is a serious, good novel).

David Wallace

I suppose so. I am reassessing the wisdom of my helping her to proofread her work.

Cerberus

How do you mean?

I think she is not a certified translator, so I would not expect her to earn a great deal more.

And you have to take purchasing-power parity into account.

David Wallace

Well, occasionally I spend time proofreading for her. But it would be more economical for everyone involved if I just send her money instead of spending my time. Of course, that wouldn't help her self-esteem any.

Cerberus

Heh.

Our help also helps her improve her skill.

And you know it doesn't work that way.

David Wallace

6:35 AM

@Cerberus Yes, that's true. And that's the key point I think.

Cerberus

And Swift has blocked her country, so you'd have to mail it to her cash.

David Wallace

True dat.

Cerberus

I wonder whether Western Union still works.

David Wallace

Strongly doubt it.

@Anonymous I take it you didn't see a movie there.

Anonymous

@DavidWallace what does it means?

David Wallace

6:57 AM

I guess you didn't go to a film.

David Wallace

7:20 AM

I have just been asked something I couldn't answer. I don't know which SE to ask it on.

"When a fly poos on the ceiling, does it always stick to the ceiling, or does it sometimes fall down."

Any thoughts, anyone?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

7:40 AM

Home Improvement.

Meanwhile, the answers and comments on this one make me a sad panda:

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Q: Using an appropriate article before the word "leadership"

I had a quick question. Recently a co-worker posted a how-to guide entitled "How to be a good leadership at work". To me the sentence seems incorrect. But I can't explain why. Technically leadership is a noun, just like in the sentence "How to be a good person at work" would be correct, because p...

grammaticality articles

It's a total wreck.

user19161

0

Q: Which is correct I will or Ishall?

I have learnt in school we should use shall with I, you, we etc. But I often see people saying' I will or you will or we will. Is this a correct english?

grammar pronouns

user19161

This is also a total wreck.

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 Just the answers and the comments—not the question?

user19161

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Q: "Game of Thrones" — meaning

This might be a stupid question, but I have been thinking about this quite a bit. What exactly does "game of thrones" mean? It's being translated into my native language (Czech) in a sense of "a game, in which one might win one of the many thrones", but to me the it sounds more like "a game, in w...

meaning ambiguity

user19161

Not sure why this has 5 votes.

user19161

7:55 AM

@RegDwightѬſ道 Now an elephant is a panda. How interesting!

David Wallace

@RegDwightѬſ道 but English.SE is a community of experts, where you can receive expert answers to your questions. How could anything possibly be wrong with the answers and comments here?

If you were a better leadership, you'd understand that.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@DavidWallace Mysteriouser and mysteriouser!

But now I gotta commute. CU.

David Wallace

I'm tempted to contribute an answer to the will/shall question though. I don't fully agree with Barrie, although he has quoted a really good source.

user19161

I think the question should just be deleted.

David Wallace

which one?

user19161

8:05 AM

Absolutely no context. It is just too broad, hence not a real question.

user19161

The will shall question of course.

David Wallace

Nonsense. He/she wants to know if its correct to say "I will", "You will" or "We will". Seems like a perfectly clear question to me.

Gigili

Did you sleep well @Cerberus?

David Wallace

Oh, 'Ello!

Gigili

'Ello.

David Wallace

8:16 AM

Against my better judgement, I just answered the shall/will question.

Were you sleeping, by the way, Gigili?

Gigili

Yes.

David Wallace

I'm glad to hear it. It seemed that you needed to.

Gigili

Indeed, I feel much better today.

I missed that again.

Will it help if I make a dictionary with the words I learn?

David Wallace

Damn! I just can't get the spaces to work right.

I'm trying to draw a little happy face for you, but I can't get it to come out right.

It's getting to the point where the effort required is disproportionate to the benefit.

@Gigili Will it help what?

Gigili

Will it help me

David Wallace

8:25 AM

Umm, I don't know. What language? German?

Gigili

English.

David Wallace

Maybe. Sometimes, writing something down helps it stick in the memory.

You mean just new words, don't you; you're not contemplating making a list of the words that you already know?

Gigili

New words, yes.

David Wallace

Try it for a while. If it doesn't seem to be helping, then stop doing it.

Gigili

Actually I did, the problem was I didn't get back to those words after writing them.

Are you online on Gmail?

David Wallace

8:30 AM

@Gigili Yes of course.

@Gigili And I don't think it would have mattered whether you got back to those words. Just writing them down and thinking about them would have made a difference.

but if you do send me email, I might not respond immediately; I need to devote some time today to my family, rather than my computer.

Gigili

9:04 AM

@DavidWallace It's okay.

Cerberus

@Gigili Fairly well; I got 8 hours, thought not the best hours ever. And you?

@Gigili I did this in the past.

I still have a huge list of "hard" English words in a text file on my computer.

About 2000 words, I see.

Not sure how much it helped.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus whatcha dun whit 'em?

Gigili

What's the point when you can look them up in a normal dictionary?

Cerberus

Most of the words I now know mainly because I read them again later in various texts. And a bunch I still have no idea of.

@RegDwightѬſ道 Not much, really.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I'm asking because certainly you're not the kind of person to just learn words without any context by heart.

Cerberus

9:11 AM

@Gigili The act of writing them down and thinking about a very short definition to add helps in memorizing, to some extent. And I planned to memorize parts of the list from time to time, which I hardly ever did.

@RegDwightѬſ道 True. I didn't do much with the list, except add new words. Another thing that may have helped is that I usually remembered I had an older word somewhere with a similar meaning when I was about to add a new word.

Then I looked that up and put them together.

For example, I have this list:

RegDwight Ѭſ道

And that's how you ended up knowing Latin!

Cerberus

rant hoogdravend uitvaren

rail heftig uitvaren
-inveigh
-fulminate (donderen, exploderen)

peal donderen, klinken

harangue donderpreek

bluster snoeverij; geraas, gedonder; uitvaren

lambast iemand op zijn donder geven

lambent glinsterend

hector donderend intimideren

exhort vermanen, aansporen

entreat dringend smeken
-beseech
-implore

chide mild berispen, plagen

reprehend terechtwijzen
-reprove
-berate
-objurgate
-rebuke

upbraid hevig berispen, bekritiseren

cavil haarklovend, onnodig vitten

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Lambast is a very nice word.

Cerberus

Thanks.

I didn't make it.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Surprisingly common as well.

Gigili

9:14 AM

@Cerberus When writing the word, the only thing I can think of is the definition and examples I just saw in the dictionary, so I'll write them.

Cerberus

Sounds like a word typically used by reviewers.

@Gigili Sounds good.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I think we have at least one occurrence on this very site.

Cerberus

It may or may not be the most effective method, but it doesn't not help.

@RegDwightѬſ道 Everything here is a duplicate of something.

Gigili

@Cerberus - * - = +?

Cerberus

True.

But a weak plus, perhaps.

Weaker than a plain plus.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

9:16 AM

@Cerberus actually we only have lambaste, with an E, in a deleted answer of mine.

Gigili

Very nice.

Cerberus

Odd.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

But I knew we had it somewhere.

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Q: What is a single word to describe beating someone brutally?

What is a single word to describe "beating someone brutally"?

single-word-requests

Cerberus

You know everything because you have a tab open for every potential keyword search.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

What is a search? I just have everything open, period.

Cerberus

9:19 AM

You will notice that some URLs evidence a search parameter. To you it's just another page, I understand.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Hector and cavil are nice, though.

Cerberus

Uhuh.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

5

Q: Should a Jew who doesn't believe in G-d observe the commandments?

In an earlier question, I asked if it was a commandment to believe in G-d. As with so many areas, there were differing opinions. Some of the respondents claimed that there would be no point in being Jewish if one did not believe. While I disagree with that view, surely we all recognize that there...

hashkafah-philosophy halachah-theory heterodox

Who is G-d? Is that that guy from Scrubs?

Why would Jews have to believe in Zach Braff?

Cerberus

The problem is that, when I meet a word I am not fully familiar with, it is usually that I know it perfectly well in some senses, but that it is used in a way I wouldn't expect in a certain sentence.

It's hard to capture that in a short definition.

I didn't write down the definitions that I was already familiar with.

@RegDwightѬſ道 This looks so incredibly primitive to me.

Not writing out God in a lay conversation.

I had a teacher once who did that, in a very bad philosophy course.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus It's an English word, too. It's not even His name.

Cerberus

9:22 AM

True.

It is for people who think words possess magic.

Or whatever.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

That's like writing "He Who M-st Not Be Named".

Cerberus

Heh.

You mean H-N.

Or, better, <beep>.

Carlo_R.

Is there anyone which can expres an opinion on my answer "In your example 'good leadership' has being used as general concept, regardless any specific leader, therefore it is grammatical to use 'a' before that. It is as if 'good leadership' was a noun. If we join 'good' and 'leadership' with an hyphen (good-leadership) the grammatical problem becames better understandable".

RegDwight Ѭſ道

That answer is not good at all, sorry.

Carlo_R.

@RegDwightѬſ道 Thanks

user19161

9:32 AM

@Carlo_R Leadership is usually used as an uncountable noun in which case no article should be used. What the person probably wants is leader and not leadership.

user19161

Note that leadership can be used as a countable noun to mean a group of leaders but this is probably not what is used there.

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 This answer is not helpful at all, sorry.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@WillHunting I was asked for my opinion, and my opinion did I voice.

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 OK, you may have a cookie.

Carlo_R.

@WillHunting Thank you so much.

user19161

9:38 AM

@Carlo_R OK, you may have a cookie too if you want.

Carlo_R.

@WillHunting If I had a cookie like Reg have, I would be happy!

user19161

Note that there are also cookies in your browser.

user19161

Also there is a monster on Sesame Street who loves cookies.

Carlo_R.

cookie: "a piece of data downloaded to a computer by a website, containing details of the preferences of that computer's user which identify the user when revisiting that website", or you did say "other", not "also". @WillHunting

@WillHunting or saying "also" you did say "other"?

user19161

@Carlo_R My "also" is just an expression to introduce new information, that is all.

user19161

9:48 AM

Of course cookie can mean the cookie you eat or the cookie in your computer.

Carlo_R.

@WillHunting Therefore we can say ... also other ...

user19161

@Carlo_R No, we don't say "also other". Perhaps what you mean is the expression "on the other hand" which specifically introduces new information that somewhat conflicts with what has been said.

user19161

You need to read more books to improve your English. Also consult a good dictionary @carlo.

Carlo_R.

@WillHunting Thanks for the suggest. I will do it. I have thought that the word "other(s)", in this context, could mean "different by Reg's cookie"

user19161

@Carlo_R You mean "suggestion" there. Also, it should be "different from".

Carlo_R.

9:57 AM

Yup, suggestion. You are right!

user19161

"Suggest" is a verb and "suggestion" is a noun. We usually say "A is different from B".

user19161

@Carlo_R Of course, I am always right! :-)

user19161

(Note that :-) means I am not always right.)

Carlo_R.

I do not doubt you are always right!

user19161

You should have doubts, we all make many mistakes in language and in life.

Carlo_R.

9:59 AM

Oh! "different from". Yes you are yet right!

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