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3:00 PM
@MattЭллен If you can do it with your eyelids, I can with my nose. Ish.
 
excellent
 
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I noticed that the number of stars is increasing, but the quality of the starred is decreasing.
 
user19161
This is what happens with mass production in general.
 
@MattЭллен The owlephant can grasp things with its nose
 
yours, but not mine
 
3:05 PM
@WillHunting well the last starred message was yours.
 
1 hour ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
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@RegDwightѬſ道 That is of top quality my friend.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Hell no.
@WillHunting Hell no.
 
1 hour ago, by Matt Эллен
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@RegDwightѬſ道 Why are all your messages the same?
 
3:06 PM
@MattЭллен Also hell, etc.
 
@RegDwight You should update your avatar
 
@WillHunting Because they are not different.
 
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@MattЭллен HB!
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I have only recently.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 no, I mean, to the owlephant
 
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3:07 PM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 OMG!
 
Any additional avatar update costs you $69.
 
Jez
@MattЭллен freaky.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 I'm not giving you 69
 
@Jez yeah, I quite like it :D
indominable, one might say
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Well then you know what happens. Or does not happen.
 
3:08 PM
pictures Reg and MrShiny biting the serpent's tail
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 you leave me no choice but to fantasize about your old avatar with an elephant's trunk, swooping into the user list like a graceful mutant.
 
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How did you get those images? Using GIMP?
 
Google image search
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 You are just a couple days too late.
 
it's faster than doing it yourself
 
3:09 PM
May the circle be unbrokenBy and by, Lord, by and by
 
@WillHunting No, using the Internet.
 
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@MrShinyandNew安宇 I did not know people had these owlephants ready made.
 
Now you do.
 
savages spinach salad
 
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The internet really contains everything.
 
3:10 PM
You did't come to this room this morning thinking, "Gosh, today I will learn nothing", did you.
 
@WillHunting Me neither. But when Matt posted the one he found, so soon after someone said "owlephant" in this chat, I knew he must have GIS'ed it.
 
Geographic information systemed it?
 
@KitFox I knew someone would say that.
 
Yeah. A bit of a mouthful.
 
@WillHunting The internet does not contain my sock drawer. I use a very good firewall.
 
3:11 PM
Copper foil?
 
Copper fail. I have seven of Robusto's socks right here.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Those are Trojan horse socks.
 
Left ones or right ones?
 
@Robusto they are yours nonetheless.
 
3:12 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 But they are the ones I wanted you to find.
 
(That was my GIS result for "sock drawer firewall")
 
@Robusto they are yours nonetheless.
 
Hamhocks firewall.
 
anyone here an sql guru?
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Even now they are stealing the secrets of your communist socks.
 
3:13 PM
I have a puzzle
 
i ken halp!
 
@Robusto so you admit they are yours now?
 
Let's say I have a record called "subscriptions" and another set of records called "subscriptions_change"
 
I admit nothing. Ownership of socks is a meaningless concept in the workers' paradise, as you well know. You're just trying to trip me up with words.
 
I want to select, for a given id, the subscription and its changes, if there are any.
 
3:14 PM
left outer join?
 
Oh. Is that all?
 
so if there's no changes recorded, just one record (id, start date, end date) is returned. but if there are changes, then i want (id, start, change date1), (id, change date 1, change date 2)... (id, change date n, end date)
 
the problem is the changes table just has (id, change date)
 
Oh! I've done one like that!
Let me think a moment.
I ordered the table and self-joined it and calculated the end dates.
 
3:17 PM
@KitFox yeah. But I don't know how many times to self-join
eg one subscription in my data set has 13 changes. Most have zero or 1.
 
You only need one self join.
 
men and their constant need to self join. I don't know
 
@MattЭллен Today I have a variable need to self join.
 
Unless you mean you want each date as a column? Not a set of rows?
 
3:21 PM
@KitFox The problem is I want the rows to form a set of records that define intervals of time (start, c1), (c1, c2), (c2, c3)... (cn-1, cn), (cn, end)
where c1...cn are the n changes that the subscription had
 
@MrShinyandNew if there are changes, does one change entry have a date equal to the start date?
 
@MattЭллен no
the start date and end date are stored in the subscriptions table
the change dates are stored in the changes table.
 
So you make an ordered table, and include the rownumber.
Then join on 1-rownumber = rownumber.
 
@KitFox so I make two ordered sub-queries and join those
hmmm
yeah that might work
thanks
 
I think this is where I got the basic idea.
I unfortunately don't have a code snippet for you, but you are working with Oracle anyway, as I recall. So it might not be helpful to you at all.
if taht dosent werk, try jquery
 
3:29 PM
yeah. totaly drop SQL and try jQuery
 
I think it is working
 
Yay!
 
Yay! I helped MrShiny!
puts feather in cap
calls it macaroni
 
3:33 PM
Now I have a song in my head
 
I have got supercalafragalistickexpialadocious in my head.
 
Excellent
 
@MattЭллен If you say it loud enough you'll always sound precocious
 
always
 
Supersadomasochisticexpialidocious
Elvis Hitler fans?
 
3:36 PM
I am not acquainted with Elvis Hitler
 
How did you fit it in your head?
 
with a crow bar
up my nose
 
MySpace still exists?
 
Wait. That's not the real Elvis Hitler.
 
3:38 PM
The unreal Elvis Hitler!
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 it's rereinventing itself as the site it was before it became like geocities
 
Whoa, I just remembered my orkut account password.
 
@MattЭллен funny you would mention Geocities. I was just going to say that if MySpace had to pay its debt to nature like Geocities did, I can still hope that one day Facebook will follow suit.
 
@WillHunting: Old women are mostly more attractive than young men.
 
3:41 PM
So today I learned that Yankee Doodle sticking a feather in his cap and calling it "macaroni" has nothing to do with "macaroni" and everything to do with a fashion called "macaroni" that I'd never heard of before just now.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 but will it blend?
 
Women are totally awesome, young - old- middle - top-right- left, doesn't matter.
 
No, only the old right women are alright.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 maybe, but not until I find a better way to stay in contact with all my friends at once
 
I can't believe that Heavy Rebel is still going strong.
 
3:45 PM
I am not supergluing them all to my face
 
> Fop became a pejorative term for a foolish man overly concerned with his appearance and clothes in 17th century England. Some of the very many similar alternative terms are: "coxcomb", fribble, "popinjay" (meaning "parrot"), fashion-monger, and "ninny".
17th century England had all the cool words
 
physics has all the supercooled words
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"Macaroni" meant fancy or keen, didn't it?
 
> A macaroni (or formerly maccaroni)[1] in mid-18th century England, was a fashionable fellow who dressed and even spoke in an outlandishly affected and epicene manner. The term pejoratively referred to a man who "exceeded the ordinary bounds of fashion"[2] in terms of clothes, fastidious eating and gambling.
 
a hipster!
 
3:48 PM
How does a hipster differ from a yuppie?
 
yuppies are from the 80s
hipsters are from this century
otherwise, I don't know
 
according to wikipedia "hipster" originated in the 40s
 
sure, but not in the way it mean now
derogatorialy
gads, my English is proper bad
 
so I guess hipsters are non-conformist and yuppies are capitalists.
at least, that's what wikipedia tells me
 
3:51 PM
I want! And tell me that first one isn't a guy.
 
@KitFox has a man's jaw line, but I'm not sure
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 "hippies are non-conformist" <- roflmao
 
@MattЭллен Yeah, so does Austin Kincaid.
Sassy Frass is probably the most unfortunate name on that page.
I feel bad for her.
 
toodles!
 
Sorry, people started talking about SQL and I had a petit-mal seizure. I'm OK now.
 
3:56 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 I think "Strawberry Tallcake" is pretty awful.
 
I am talking about the name.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Me too.
 
I know and I was making a joke, Cerberus.
 
Oh. I get it.
 
4:01 PM
Seriously though, I found Strawberry Tallcake's photo suboptimal.
 
I'm still feeling pretty high from helping MrShiny.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Uh, yeah.
Also 51N there looked more like a stripper, less like burlesque.
 
@KitFox i'm pretty fuzzy on the difference between a stripper and a burlesque
 
Burlesque is a titillating performance.
Stripping is taking your clothes off.
 
huh. ok.
 
You tip strippers.
Well, you should tip strippers.
It's not actually required.
Burlesque is intentionally bawdy and humorous, and involves striptease as only part of the whole entertainment.
But it is a theatrical performance, whereas stripping is more of a dance performance.
 
4:11 PM
The Lost Lebowski.
 
Oh how I love Madeline Kahn.
Crap. Stuck lollygagging again.
 
4:35 PM
I heard that stupidity is contagious. I hope I don't catch that!
 
@Gigili Do you think hanging around here helps, or hurts, in that regard?
 
4:46 PM
Hello, I am back here.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I knew the answer, it's just on the top of my tongue. It hurts while it helps?
 
To ansewer to the question 'When should I use “shall” versus “will”?', I have written as follow:
"But if you want to be emphatic reverse the trend:
I shall drown, no one will save me. (I should like to be saved but everyone is ignoring me.)
I will drown, no one shall save me. (I am determined to drown. I forbid anyone to throw a life belt.)"
What do you think?
 
@Gigili Hm, that's an interesting notion.
 
@Carlo_R Yeah this is a cool classic.
 
I'm not sure how it's reversing anything. In both examples the words are used in their usual meaning.
 
4:52 PM
Define usual.
 
None shall pass.
 
@Cerberus no.
 
But the second sentence is meant to be Scottish.
 
In both examples the words are used in the exact same meaning.
 
I.e. wrong.
They are not meant to be so used in the second sentence.
 
4:53 PM
You're using Scottish to mean wrong? That's so gay, if you'll excuse my French.
 
The speaker means the same as in the first sentence.
 
3
A: When should I use "shall" versus "will"?

kiamlalunoThe note about the usage of shall in the New Oxford American Dictionary is the following: There is considerable confusion about when to use shall and will. The traditional rule in standard English is that shall is used with first person pronouns (I and we) to form the future tense, while wi...

 
@KitFox Why do you say "you"?
 
> In modern English, the interchangeable use of shall and will is an acceptable part of standard U.S. and British English.
 
I didn't invent those examples.
 
4:54 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 You are right! Here nothing is reversed. Forse I should change the examples!
 
Change the examples? Why?
It only works if you keep them this way.
 
@Cerberus But you called the second one Scottish.
 
@Cerberus As Reg says nothin is reversed
 
@CarloR: For most people, in statements, "shall" and "will" are synonyms.
 
@KitFox I said it was meant to be Scottish by whoever invented it.
 
4:55 PM
At any rate I am not sure why a two-year old question with 10 answers needs another one, especially if all it adds to them is just another example.
 
@Carlo_R That depends on your definition. In any case, if you change the examples, they become useless.
 
@Cerberus And? How is that different from using "Scottish" to mean "wrong"?
 
@KitFox That is the same thing.
But I didn't invent it.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Therefore the older question shoud be close
 
@Cerberus Invent that use, you mean?
 
4:56 PM
@Carlo_R I'm afraid you don't understand how this site works.
"Closed" means the question is bad and does not belong on the site.
"Closed" does not mean "answered".
That's what the "accepted answer" checkmark is there for.
 
@KitFox Neither the usage nor the examples, nor their interpretation.
You don't know it?
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 The site has invited to move the answer to to the question I have cited. (“I will” or “I shall” [closed])
 
The idea is not that every new user catches up on all the questions already posted and answers them yet again.
 
@Cerberus I am suggesting that you not perpetuate insulting stereotypes.
 
@KitFox Perpetuate? How so?
I am supposed to lie about history?
I refuse.
 
4:58 PM
@Carlo_R I'm not sure what you mean.
 
@Cerberus By not using them.
 
@Carlo_R I saw that.
@KitFox Easy.
 
Sorry.
 
@KitFox I have to explain the context, or they don't make sense.
 
4:59 PM
feels cross
 
Perhaps you should read the context before you accuse me of discrimination.
I'm outta here.
Shit haha.
 
@Cerberus Then explain the context without using insults.
 
Stupid spell checker.
No, I'm not in the mood.
 
grumbles
shakes fist
See you later!
 
Yo pips, I gotta commute in like three minutes, you have to become super best friends again in that time.
 
5:01 PM
But he said he was leaving.
scrunches face
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 If so, could I ask a question with this title "I shall/will drown, no one will/shall save me!)
 
@KitFox I don't care as long as he is leaving as a super best friend.
@Carlo_R that is not a question.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 You are right! I do not ask that.
 
Damn, I barely got to the James Bond bit @Kit quoted earlier, and now I have to run.
Laters.
 
Oh no!
Um, any TortoiseHg users?
 
5:04 PM
not me, sorry
 
Well, I'm just going to assume that noöne is going to actually read those commit messages but me anyway.
 
Let us consider what John Lawler said "Essentially, the difference between King and Emperor is like the difference between wonderful and terrific -- both are good, and one may be better than the other; but opinion differs about which is which." If so, is "Actually the real difference is that the Emperator has the beard while the King does not have the beard" a good answer?
 
Not really.
 
@CarloR in what way does referring to a beard answer the question? and what is the question?
 
The question is "What is the difference between an Emperor and a King?"
Actually in many (regressed) context the beard is considered as power symbol
 
5:20 PM
@Carlo_R Lots of kings have beards.
or don't have beards
I think that sort of difference would depend heavily on the kingdoms and empires in question.
 
I do not know king with the beard
 
Edward VII (Albert Edward; 9 November 1841 – 6 May 1910) was King of the United Kingdom and the British Dominions and Emperor of India from 22 January 1901 until his death in 1910. He was the first British monarch of the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, which was renamed the House of Windsor by his son, George V. Before his accession to the throne, Edward held the title of Prince of Wales longer than anyone else, and was the second longest-serving heir apparent in British history. During the long reign of his mother, Queen Victoria, he was largely excluded from political power and...
 
Didn't Jesus have a beard too? He was a king.
Not Elvis though.
 
George V (George Frederick Ernest Albert; 3 June 186520 January 1936) was King of the United Kingdom and the British Dominions, and Emperor of India, from 6 May 1910 through the First World War (1914–1918) until his death in 1936. George was a grandson of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert and the first cousin of Tsar Nicholas II of Russia and Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany. From 1877 to 1891, he served in the Royal Navy. On the death of Victoria in 1901, George's father became King Edward VII, and George was made Prince of Wales. On his father's death in 1910, he succeeded as King-E...
 
5:23 PM
Hey, I referred to actual time. Those that you cite had died.
 
kings and emperors are notions of politics. beards are notions of fashion.
@Carlo_R Are you serious?
Are there even any relevant emperors anymore?
 
I do not know. But I know that no King has the beard.
 
Hey! I'm relevant!
 
@Carlo_R You're saying that not one king currently in power has a beard, in the whole world. And that somehow is relevant to the difference between kings and emperors.
How about the fact that there are no emperors? Not one is currently in power. THAT is a more salient difference than facial hair.
 
Arggggggg! You did find one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, @KitFox. Why did you remove the photography?
 
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5:30 PM
Also lots of users on ELU have beards.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Isn't there still an Emperor in Japan?
@Carlo_R It didn't display properly on my terminal.
 
Hello Will
 
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@Carlo_R Hi. You are talking about beards I see.
 
Abdullah bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud, Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, ( ') (born August 1, 1923) is the King of Saudi Arabia. He succeeded to the throne on 1 August 2005 upon the death of his half-brother, King Fahd. When Crown Prince, he governed Saudi Arabia as regent from 1998 to 2005. He was Commander of the Saudi Arabian National Guard from 1962 to November 2010, and is one of the world's wealthiest royals. Second Deputy Prime Minister King Khalid appointed Abdullah as Second Deputy Prime Minister, which is second in line of succession to the Saudi throne. However, Abdullah's appo...
King of Saudi Arabia, has a beard. Your assertion is demolished.
 
Yes. @WillHunting
 
5:31 PM
@KitFox Japan can call him that but Japan is not an empire.
 
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Hmm, I now have 300 overall upvoted posts and 17235 rep. That is an average of 57.45. Yay!
 
Oh! You have won, there are king with a beard!
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Well, then what about me?
 
@KitFox You are not an "emperor" and you don't have a beard.
 
@KitFox are you an emperor?
 
5:34 PM
Yes.
Direct descendant of the first Emperor of these United States.
 
@Carlo_R I still don't believe that you are serious about this. That the difference between a King and an Emperor has anything to do with beards.
 
Emperor of America? Who is, Cristoforo Colombo?
 
> Actually the real difference is that the Emperator has the beard while the King does not have the beard, as @John Lawler said.
 
@KitFox Somehow, if you were Empress of the US, I think that things would be running a bit differently down there :)
 
-totally- obvious.
 
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5:35 PM
@Mitch What?
 
The kings with beards and the emperors without are just exceptions.
 
@Carlo_R No, Joshua Norton.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Try to ask at Will H.
 
Emperor Norton I.
 
To the rule.
 
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5:36 PM
@Carlo_R Why me? I know nothing about beards!
 
Norton or McAfee?
 
@Carlo_R Nope. I am done discussing this.
 
user19161
I know even less about kings and emperors.
 
user19161
I only know how to type QED.
 
@WillHunting look to see if they have a beard..then you'll know everything.
 
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5:37 PM
@Gigili Neither. Use Microsoft Security Essentials.
 
user19161
It's free and comes from the company that made Windows.
 
Emperor Microsoft Security Essentials I?
 
user19161
I don't use any antivirus on Linux even though you can.
 
@WillHunting - No, I were being referred to the first sentence, not to the second.
I'm not sure that "were being referred" is what i want to say.
 
user19161
@Mitch This two dots thing is becoming very popular on the internet!
 
5:41 PM
@WillHunting sorry, that was a type...should have been three.
really.
 
user19161
Four is possible too, used for an ellipsis followed by a period.
 
mind blown
 
You can use asterisks for italics.
 
what if you quote that ellipsis followed by a period at the end of a sentence. In American that would be 5 in a row.
 
I was referring.
 
5:43 PM
Everyone knows that beards are evil. So if a king or emperor had a beard that means he was an evil king or emperor.
 
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@KitFox Or underscores.
 
And since queens can't grow beards, we have no way of knowing if they're evil. But it's safest to assume yes.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Like Spock in Mirror, Mirror.
 
@KitFox thanks...I was trying all the other versions first
 
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@MrShinyandNew安宇 It seems that jsbangs and matt ellen are evil then.
 
5:44 PM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Haven't you seen the proof that women are evil?
 
@WillHunting JSB is no longer evil.
 
@WillHunting not 'not queens'?
 
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@Mitch Oh queens have beards too I just realized! But somewhere else!
 
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@KitFox So now he looks like Daniel Craig.
 
5:45 PM
Obama was an evil emperor! How do you not understand?
 
Well, Cleopatra and Hatshepsut both wore beards.
And they were both women.
 
@WillHunting goatees are evil (like Spock (or he actually wasn't evil because he was 'logical')). Amish beards...not evil.
 
@KitFox they just wanted to make it obvious
 
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@KitFox Of course I was referring to something else.
 
@WillHunting For course you were referring to pubic hair, except that beards are specifically in a completely different area.
 
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5:47 PM
@KitFox Shh.
 
@WillHunting just when I think you can't possibly make me roll my eyes harder at you, you go and say something like that.
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So you couldn't call a woman's pubic hair "a beard."
And if you referred to a woman's beard, most people would think you meant that she was a lesbian out with her husband.
 
@KitFox and even if you could, you wouldn't.
 
user19161
We are allowed to use metaphors here!
 
@WillHunting you didn't use it metaphorically though
 
5:48 PM
Let us change the subject.
 
user19161
But I thought the use of beard for that is common, maybe I was mistaken.
 
@Carlo_R I thought you liked beards
 
user19161
@Carlo_R Sure, welcome to this chat where all topics are discussed.
 
@WillHunting If by common you mean hardly ever, then yes.
 
@Mitch Even ever? Ever once by anyone else?
 
5:49 PM
Reg has arrived!!!!!!!!!!
 
Maybe it is that he is confusing it with a merkin, but that's a wig, not a beard.
Or the phrase "bearded with hoarfrost" has caused confusion.
 
@KitFox Well, if you're discussing reality, then maybe once or twice.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 No, I do not like the beard. I like Kojak.
 
gives up and goes for scones
 
Do you know who is KojaK.
 
user19161
5:51 PM
Nope.
 
user19161
Looks like he has a lollipop.
 
This man had great success in italian television.
Is there a voice "kojak" on en wikipedia?
 

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