The source doc itself discusses many problems with the data

I find the idea that 45% of Toronto is foreign-born a little surprising. but then again, on my street alone, out of 23 neighbours that I talk to, definitely 10 of them are foreign born.

@Cerberus I think Vancouver or Hawai'i are the climes for me.

I've never been to either of those places.

@DavidWallace me either.

While I have your attention, I'm mourning the death of print.

Does everyone leave chat on a sleigh?

I wonder whether life in Hawai'i is really how it seems to us outsiders.

Print died?

When did print die? I still have some print!

It's dying.

I'm trying to find the new issue of Newsweek.

I'm sure such rumours have been greatly exaggerated.

the Sporting News, a 133-year-old magazine is going all-digital.

Newsweek's print run is over.

I stopped reading my last magazine subscription when they went all-digital.

I buy paper books.

So it's really a slow attrition, not an immediate death.

but I only buy paper books because I don't trust e-books.

Why ever not? What is untrustworthy about them?

@DavidWallace DRM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 high-five

I just plain hate ebooks.

I don't trust that my data won't get lost or my account disabled or books that I've bought retroactively un-bought. I don't like that they're hard to share.

You can't smell them.

It is irrational of me on some level, but I prefer to own things and not just data. I buy music on CDs.

You're buying air.

See also: mp3s.

Hmm, I don't like that if I put my paper book in my shoulder bag, it's not in the same condition afterwards.

@cornbreadninja I do like the smell of books, but that isn't one of my considerations against e-books :)

@DavidWallace quit beating people with your shoulder bag.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 magazines smell nice, too.

But it's so much fun especially when it's full of books.

@DavidWallace :D

@DavidWallace well, there is that. But I like having a wall of books to browse. I like the fact that if a book gets damaged it's like $10 to replace, but if an e-reader gets damaged it's way more.

And you can get used books. for cheap or for free.

I like taking books in the bath. I wouldn't dare take my laptop or any other electronic device in the bath.

@DavidWallace nice!

@cornbreadninja Don't you do that too?

@DavidWallace would that my bath were clean enough on the bottom. :)

Now, I've read lots of ebooks, and that was back in the old days when I had to do it on my PDA, and I loved having a library of books in my pocket. But those were all bootleg ebooks. What I'd like is if I could buy an ebook and print book at the same time and get the ebook on physical media that's resistant to decay. Like a CD.

@DavidWallace I think I've taken exactly one "bath" in the last decade. It's showers for me. I haven't found a suitable book for those.

I would like to have a shower with a wall that I can plug a flash drive into.

I guess there could be a base unit in a different room, so you could put your DVD or your flash drive or whatever in before you have your shower. The wall of the shower would then just have a basic UI, with, like "next page" and "previous page" buttons, and not much else.

If you have a shower with, presumably, a waterproof screen on it, why not just wire it into the home LAN, so that you don't need to bring media in?

Yeah, I think that was technically a jinx.

Just embed a suitably large Android tablet into the wall.

And maybe put a piece of tape over the front-facing camera. just in case.

In case it gets damaged? Or in case someone hacks it and uses it to watch you showering?

@DavidWallace unless google-hangouts from your shower is your thing....

Hmm, it would save time.

@JasperLoy hey, yes, it's been a really good christmas.

@JasperLoy how about you?

How about audio books? I like audio books, for example in the car. The only thing that makes me drive slower.

Hmm, I could enjoy having a suitably mellifluous voice read to me while I have my shower.

Audiobooks are not a bad idea either. But again, I usually want to READ. So I'd want the audiobook to be included with the book/ebook combo. So that I could read, and when convenient, have the book read to me, then continue reading where I left off.

I should just hire an assistant, who can carry the books around and follow me everywhere, and read to me as needed.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 except for the money issue that is a winner

(I starred)

would you bring the assistant in|to the shower?

parsing... Exception

@JohanLarsson The assistant can stand outside the shower, but near enough that I can hear his or her voice.

@JasperLoy I fail to understand that, feeling dizzy :)

well, time for me to get going.

@cornbreadninja Hmm isn't Hawai'i hot?

@Cerberus yes

but I forgot, time to go

bye! happy new ear!

@Cerberus some like it hot

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You are excused!

@cornbreadninja I...suppose.

Hotstuff.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 same to you

My main beef is the wind.

Based on Hawaii 5-0, it looks very windy

being islands and all

sigh

I'm such a chatkiller.

Hmm yes wind.

Can be good or bad.

Usually good in hot places.

Carlo's going for the hat?

Interesting question...

@Cerberus Your answer on Meta is precisely why I didn't want to merge the questions. I'm ambivalent either way on blacklisting LMGTFY, but I want the opinions kind of segregated

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You have just demonstrated that language is like poop.

@MετάEd eeeeeeeeeeeeeew

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 looks around he lived in texas for a while runs

Review is telling me there's one question needing a Reopen Vote review, but when I go to english.stackexchange.com/review/reopen nothing is listed.

Must be a synch problem between the two pages. Now there are no Reopen Votes to review.

I hate it when you get two different answers on anything coming from the same data source.

@cornbreadninja I can't help it. Texas has some of my favorite people in it. Plus the weather is good.

@MετάEd of course you can't help that tchrist lived there. :P

@cornbreadninja This is true. Why, did this come up earlier?

@MετάEd yesterday

during the Midwestern discussion.

The whole of yesterday was one long midwestern discussion. And was highly offensive, according to the person doing 99% of the discussing.

Wow, I didn't even have to ping you.

Ah, but you were thinking about me. That is pinging enough.

How'd it go with the neighbors?

I didn't speak to the neighbours. Cerberus convinced me that the noise was probably something other than what I first thought.

It doesn't help that I'm a bit scared of the neighbour. He's enormous.

I wish it had been you who moved in upstairs from me, rather than them.

You would probably not train elephants to jump up and down on your floor, or swear loudly at your children.

You're probably right.

I need to move out of here. It doesn't feel like my home.

I just heard my downstairs neighbor belch.

Fantastic. Can you smell it?

@DavidWallace no.

cornbread out.

Bye.