The h Bar

@KyleKanos In thins case the user is being pretty belligerent, so I don't blame the man. I certain lost all interest in trying to help that twit of an OP.

0celo7

@ACuriousMind Proof?

Slereah

Because if I had

I would have an Erdos number of 3

0celo7

3:11 AM

@KyleKanos I'm an adult btw.

So now I can be in the grown up conversations

dmckee

I find all the commercial site that offer to add value by advertising you as a scientist to be too mercenary for my tastes.

Kyle Kanos

@dmckee haha, the guy did seem to have an odd mental block

@0celo7 Debatable.

dmckee

And I'm lucky enough to be in a fields with strong pre-existing roll-your-own alternatives. That is, arXiv and inSpire.

0celo7

@KyleKanos wtf

@dmckee Who is A. Adare?

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 Too easy

0celo7

3:12 AM

@KyleKanos huh?

dmckee

@0celo7 Don't know right off. Should I?

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 You get riled easily. Still

dmckee

@KyleKanos He only got the Adult Starter Pack. Cool temper is only available in the upgrades.

0celo7

@dmckee He's the lead author on many HEP papers

@KyleKanos nah

dmckee

@0celo7 Well, author lists are mostly alphabetical.

0celo7

3:14 AM

@dmckee oh, lol

dmckee

That puts me buried in the middle all the time.

0celo7

he has 176 publications on inspire

Kyle Kanos

I has 1 publications

dmckee

It gives by a coll, detached view of all the arguing about "lead author" that goes on over at Academia.

Kyle Kanos

Where does that put me in rankings? Dead last?

0celo7

3:16 AM

@KyleKanos I have 0

dmckee

@KyleKanos That first one is, in many ways, the most important one.

0celo7

but I should have one by next year

dmckee

Except the one that gets you the Nobel, of course.

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 You're an undergrad. I had 0 in undergrad as well

0celo7

@KyleKanos uh, I'm going to get published as an undergrad

user54412

3:16 AM

@0celo7 famous last words ;)

0celo7

It will happen

Kyle Kanos

@dmckee Probably if you stay in academia, but if you choose to leave it (as I did), it's not that important

0celo7

@ChrisWhite I'm going to die now?

great

dmckee

Yes and no. It still shows that you didn't leave on account of total and abject failure to produce.

HDE 226868

@0celo7 Anything specific planned, or is that just general hopefulness?

0celo7

3:17 AM

@HDE226868 Specific.

I just need to make sure it's not something that' already been done.

dmckee

@0celo7 So the next question is, who figures that it'll be done by next year?

0celo7

@dmckee My research prof/advider dude

dmckee

'K. Likely to be a reasonable schedule then.

Kyle Kanos

@dmckee Well wouldn't your dissertation be that proof?

0celo7

@dmckee wow

thanks for that confidence

dmckee

3:18 AM

Without experience it is really easier to be over optimistic.

Nothing to do with you in particular.

user54412

My first year of grad school I started a "semester-long" project. Still not quite published, 4 years later.

0celo7

It's supposed to be a small report on some interesting experimental data

oh lord

my research prof has a paper with 2800 coauthors

how does that even work??

Kyle Kanos

Sounds like a particle physics paper

dmckee

@0celo7 That's gotta be Big Astro, LHC, or maybe fusion.

0celo7

just throw in the janitor and cafeteria staff?

dmckee

3:21 AM

Almost the only places you find lists that long.

0celo7

@dmckee ATLAS

user54412

I don't think astro as gotten quite that big yet.

dmckee

@ChrisWhite I thought JWST was almost that big?

user54412

@dmckee Well, JWST doesn't yet exist ;)

0celo7

@dmckee fusion papers are that big?

looking for the fusion ppl

user54412

3:22 AM

I still have bets going that it fails to unfold, drifting helplessly out at L2.

dmckee

@0celo7 Not sure if they are that bit, but NIF and the like are big.

Slereah

io9.com/…

Ew

Most cited papers are biology

dmckee

@Slereah Sure. There are simply more of them.

0celo7

@dmckee does 2800 make sense for ATLAS?

Slereah

@dmckee But that means more competition!

dmckee

3:23 AM

@0celo7 Yeah. That's about right.

0celo7

I'll double check that it's him

dmckee

@Slereah Papers that start new subdisciplines get cited by everybody.

0celo7

didn't think he worked at CERN

Kyle Kanos

@ChrisWhite I offered a \$1 bet with a faculty at Clemson that it'd fail, he smiled at me and said "No bet" (implying he agreed with me)

dmckee

@0celo7 Don't have to go to Geneva to be part of something as big as ATLAS.

0celo7

3:24 AM

@dmckee ok

double checking though

dmckee

@ChrisWhite Hmmm ... that would be a problem. I've been pushing the verb "to hubble". and a spectacular failure of JWST would overshadow that.

0celo7

arxiv.org/pdf/1503.01060v4.pdf

hehe that author list at the end

he's not on there

strange

ah, it's looking for his last name

not him

I didn't think he was into big HEP

user54412

"Aad"

user54412

I'm calling made-up name to be top of the list

0celo7

@ChrisWhite lol

dmckee

3:27 AM

@Slereah Wow, the first physics paper is around #36.

user54412

Why are biologists still citing Watson & Crick?

0celo7

who are they

user54412

I don't cite Eddington and Schwarzschild, and far less Newton and Galileo.

0celo7

@ChrisWhite nub

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 DNA guys

0celo7

3:28 AM

I want to write my math thesis on GR so bad so I can cite Einstein :D

@KyleKanos oooooooooh

sounded familiar

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 Well you have to cite him correctly, else a particular person might go crazy that you're doing it wrong

0celo7

@KyleKanos Oh, did you know I added a math double major?

I think @ChrisWhite called that one.

HDE 226868

@KyleKanos A.k.a. the guys who beat out Rosalind Franklin for the Nobel Prize.

ACuriousMind

I think he didn't call you adding it :P

0celo7

in any case, citing Einstein would be cool

@ACuriousMind huh?

TRUMP DESTROYED FIORINA

user54412

3:30 AM

indeed

0celo7

@ChrisWhite what?

user54412

my predictions have yet to fully materialize

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 You are being a bit slow tonight, aren't you?

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 Good job.

user54412

@0celo7 can't tell you -- time paradox and all that

0celo7

3:31 AM

@ChrisWhite what?

Ghost

@ACuriousMind slower

0celo7

@ACuriousMind what?

wtf is happening

@KyleKanos Just keeping you informed of the latest!

Kyle Kanos

@HDE226868 By "beat out" you mean "survived," right?

Franklin died like 5 years before the prize was awarded to the team

HDE 226868

@KyleKanos Well, yeah. True. One of the worst-timed deaths in the history of biology.

0celo7

Lang only has 69 pubs

@ACuriousMind @ChrisWhite can you please tell me what I'm obviously missing?

ACuriousMind

3:33 AM

@0celo7 Why do you care so much about the number of publications of your profs?

0celo7

@ACuriousMind dunno

Ghost

Hmmm 13th publication went live....

Kyle Kanos

Number of pubs only matters to hiring committees

0celo7

Swift Heavy Ion Track Formation in Gd2Zr2-xTixO7 Pyrochlore: Effect of Electronic
Energy Loss

that's a nice chemical

Slereah

Meth is a nice chemical

0celo7

3:36 AM

I think @ChrisWhite said something that I misunderstood

time to read the chat transcript

Aug 6 at 13:13, by ACuriousMind

@0celo7 He means no way you're gonna be an engineer when you're grown up :P

Aug 6 at 13:13, by Chris White

@0celo7 No, pure math is not science :P

Ah

Well, I don't know what to say

Ghost

@0celo7 will grow up??!?!?

0celo7

@Ghost give it a rest

Ghost

nah

0celo7

Fine.

Goodbye.

@ChrisWhite why pure math

You know darn well that doesn't increase GDP >:|

Kyle Kanos

My job is somewhat related to the GDP

user54412

3:39 AM

what about GDP per capita?

Ghost

anyway - a question to the masses - Is there a nice resource about the challenges of fusion reactors?

0celo7

@ChrisWhite lol dying increases that :P

Slereah

Increasing the GDP increases the GDP per capita, @ChrisWhite

Unless you also increase the population

Does your job increase the population

0celo7

you can decrease the population

Kyle Kanos

@ChrisWhite Easy: genocide

2

0celo7

3:40 AM

jesus

I bet ACM will let that one slide, too, because it's from a physicist

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 ...would not approve.

Ghost

@KyleKanos he might be a tad upset

0celo7

Aug 6 at 13:16, by 0celo7

Americans: is Chick-Fil-A really that good? I've always thought it was a bit expensive...

I was so ignorant back then

Had Chick Fil A last night :)

@KyleKanos I thought you were saying you would not approve of Jesus

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 Negative. I was saying Jesus wouldn't approve

0celo7

@ACuriousMind What gives? Comical toddler slapping is bad but genocide is AOK?

@KyleKanos got mixed up

Ghost

3:44 AM

lol

0celo7

@KyleKanos yes yes

Aug 6 at 13:12, by ACuriousMind

@0celo7 We'll recognize your vidya-playing, cat-loving, inept-trolling persona anywhere ;)

Apparently I'm bad at trolling too.

Kyle Kanos

Yes

0celo7

Which I btw don't admit to doing.

Kyle Kanos

Among other things

Ghost

that's awesome

ACuriousMind

3:45 AM

@0celo7 Yes. If you seriously don't see the difference between a graphic display of a child being beaten and a bit of dark humor, I can't help that.

0celo7

@ACuriousMind Same category for me.

Kyle Kanos

Wonder what duffy's going to say when he comes in & sees all my starred comments

ACuriousMind

...the duck?

Kyle Kanos

Well, really just the one

0celo7

screw you chat star person

9

ACuriousMind

3:46 AM

Because you sometimes speak the truth? :P

Ghost

@ACuriousMind yes!

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 Oh, no, really?

Kyle Kanos

Isn't it Daffy duck?

ACuriousMind

I could not have possibly imagined he meant him.

Ghost

@KyleKanos or Donald

0celo7

3:48 AM

@ACuriousMind dude how am I supposed to tell sarcasm!!!

this is the internet

Poe's law!

ACuriousMind

@KyleKanos Hm, you're right

Kyle Kanos

@Ghost Well I said duffy, he said "the duck" so it clearly couldn't be Donald duck

0celo7

Donald Trump?

Ghost

@KyleKanos missed that bit, too busy laughing

ACuriousMind

The pronounciation I mostly hear is closer to Duffy, though

Kyle Kanos

3:49 AM

Hmm. Stupid German translators is all I have to say

0celo7

Ok, how would I be a better troll

if I were to troll

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 By stop being stupid

2

0celo7

burn

ouch

user54412

(that kids is called leading by example)

ACuriousMind

lol

0celo7

3:50 AM

Wow, you were just waiting for that one

Ghost

LOL

priceless!

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 Waiting? No, but you opened the door for it

0celo7

how do I stop being stupid, then

ACuriousMind

read books

Kyle Kanos

@0celo7 Read

Or learn to read first, then read

Ghost

3:51 AM

@0celo7 Read, ask, learn, experiment, persevere

Kyle Kanos

Whichever you think is more appropriate

0celo7

@ACuriousMind too stupid for that

@KyleKanos I can read, too stupid to read though

@ACuriousMind no, it's terrible advice

I can read

but I can't read

Kyle Kanos

The tough part about trolling is knowing enough about both sides of the argument to BS your way through arguing wrongly

0celo7

I could probably get suspended by quoting something from our star wall in the math chat

@KyleKanos I don't troll!

Ghost

yes you do

Kyle Kanos

3:55 AM

True story: the FSU co-worker told me that physicists don't model reality, that mathematicians do that

Ghost

gasp!

ACuriousMind

@0celo7 Yeah, they ban people who admit being stupid there :P

0celo7

physicists model strings and quantum mechanics and other woo

Kyle Kanos

That made me glad that I'm moving up in the world and getting a seat next to my boss's boss's boss

0celo7

@ACuriousMind do we all agree that I am stupid

I don't think we can make progress before we do that

ACuriousMind

3:56 AM

@KyleKanos @yuggib might have something to say about models and reality...

0celo7

ah, the @Canadian

that really should ping you

@HDE226868

@HDE226868 you're the quintessential Canadian in my mind

@all Seriously, what do I do that is trolling

And how do I stop it and also get smart

HDE 226868

@0celo7 I actually have to go; I was just checking in. But I'll freely admit that I want to go to college in the UK, just to be the "Canadian" American in Britain and confuse the heck out of you.

ACuriousMind

Your response should've started with "sorry" :P

0celo7

@HDE226868 Idk how it happened, but you are my archetype for Canadianness

HDE 226868

@ACuriousMind ?

0celo7

3:59 AM

sigh, you really are an American

HDE 226868

@0celo7 I'm not even French!

ACuriousMind