The h Bar

3:01 PM

@JohnRennie Various fiber arts are in vogue again (the wife has a $1000 spinning wheel, none the less), so people care about hiar properties in that field at least.

The Dark Side

@JohnRennie But why share the truth about uhm, your ...

John Rennie

@dmckee Wool is different again. It's much finer that human hair. And cotton is different again of course.

heather

hello

@JohnRennie you have a gift for turning conversations that way

John Rennie

@TheDarkSide to amuse people

0celoñe7

Why was the star on JR's post removed?

John Rennie

3:03 PM

@0celoñe7 bloody moderators :-)

But we probably ought to unstar everything south of the Mason Dixie line

dmckee

@JohnRennie Alpaca have the most incredible wool. My better half made me winter hats of the stuff, thin, light, warm, water repelent and non-stinky.

0celoñe7

Is it not alpacae?

dmckee

@0celoñe7 Its Spanish, not Latin so I don't think so.

John Rennie

@dmckee I don't know that much about wool - Unilever didn't have too many sheep as customers. But I know even among the different breeds of sheep there is a wide variety of wool properties.

0celoñe7

@JohnRennie that reminds me

The Dark Side

3:07 PM

hehehe ...

John Rennie

Reluctantly I have to admit I don't get that ...

0celoñe7

@JohnRennie Have you never seen Polandball before?

John Rennie

Google, Google, no that's completely new to me.

The Dark Side

22

Q: Does too little ice make my martinis watery?

When I make martinis, the recipe I use is 2.5 fluid ounces1 of gin2 and 1/2 fluid ounce dry vermouth3, shaken or stirred4 with 7 ice cubes5, then strained into a cocktail glass (I mix until it's cold enough, and not for some specific length of time.) My Observation If I use less ice, the marti...

thermodynamics

Someone's doing some hard experiments. Made it to HNQ.

> I am willing to rerun that experiment as long as necessary until I get it right

Haha ... Why not :P

ACuriousMind

3:30 PM

Hmmmmm

0celoñe7

I must be really stupid

No one seems to prove this

What am I missing

ACuriousMind

I have a fibration $\mathrm{K}3\to X \to S^3$ and now I "dualize" fiberwise to $T^3\to Y \to S^3$. Task: Find $Y$.

0celoñe7

What is $X$?

ACuriousMind

A $G_2$-manifold, constructed as the twisted connected sum I've already talked about

It's funny, I have three papers now that tell me to apply the duality "fiberwise" and I still don't know what the global result actually is supposed to be

0celoñe7

@ACuriousMind If $\rho$ is a density operator, then $\rho^2$ probably isn't necessarily. But I imagine $\mathrm{tr}\rho^2\le 1$, right?

user228700

3:41 PM

@JohnR: I wasn't caught! :-) It was very nice.

0celoñe7

@Kaumudi.H were you doing something illegal?

ACuriousMind

@0celoñe7 Yes. $\rho^2 = \rho$ iff it's a pure state

0celoñe7

I doubt you have a proof for that handy...

user228700

@0celoñe7 Remotely, yes. I drove a scooter even though I don't have a license yet.

0celoñe7

@ACuriousMind Because, then: Let $\{x_j\}$ be an o.n.b. of $H$. I claim that $\lim \rho x_j=0$. This is true because $$||\rho x_j||^2=(\rho x_j,\rho x_j)=(x_j,\rho^2 x_j)\to 0$$ if $\mathrm{tr}\, \rho^2<\infty$.

I think this is enough for compactness.

John Rennie

3:44 PM

@Kaumudi.H :-) Where did you go?

ACuriousMind

@0celoñe7 $(\sum_n p_n \lvert n\rangle \langle n\rvert)^2 = \sum_n p_n^2 \lvert n\rangle \langle n\rvert$, and $p_n^2 = p_n$ if and only if $p_n = 1$ for one $n$ and $p_n = 0$ for all others.

0celoñe7

@ACuriousMind I am trying to prove that $\rho =\sum p_n|n\rangle\langle n|$

And you claimed you didn't know how to prove that, so...

ACuriousMind

what

user228700

@JohnRennie I drove into several nearby towns with spectacular scenery; open, lush, green fields and hills too!

0celoñe7

@ACuriousMind What?

user228700

3:45 PM

Say, how did that Maggi turn out?

ACuriousMind

Ah, you're being functional analytic again. Yeah, can't help with that

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H Haven't tried it yet. I only make big meals at the weekend so I'll try it tomorrow or Sunday.

user228700

Ah, OK :-)

John Rennie

I still haven't decided what sauce to make.

user228700

Hmm. D'you know, what? Try the one with dahl. It might be the best item you ever taste or might even be the worst.

John Rennie

3:47 PM

I think the noodles will work best with a creamy sauce. The dahl with cream may well work well.

With some bits of fresh chilli sprinkled on top to add a bit of texture as well as flavour.

user228700

Oh, it's just occurred to me that the coming months/years will be hell because while you will continue to make and enjoy such tasty dishes, I will perish in the hostel :'-(

John Rennie

But I'm going out drinking tonight, so tomorrow I may not feel like eating much :-)

user228700

Oh, cool :-)

ACuriousMind

@Kaumudi.H Why would you perish there?

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H if you die can I have the headphone adaptor?

user228700

3:50 PM

@ACuriousMind I was merely exaggerating; I only meant that the food is bound to suck.

user228700

@JohnRennie -_- Sure. Help yourself; I'll tell my parents to arrange the shipment.

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H I bet there is an all you can eat pizza place in Kochi - probably several!

user228700

I have made it my goal to find such a place!

ACuriousMind

@Kaumudi.H Why?

John Rennie

Any city that hosts a university will have restaurants catering for the students.

ACuriousMind

3:51 PM

You live somewhere where you can't cook?

0celoñe7

@ACuriousMind That's normal in the first year.

John Rennie

@ACuriousMind YWCA apparently

user228700

@ACuriousMind Oh, hotels hereabouts are tend to have terrible canteens.

0celoñe7

@JohnRennie What?

user228700

Yep, no cooking. I'm smuggling in a kettle though, to make coffee and maggi.

user228700

3:52 PM

@0celoñe7 Young Women's Christian Association.

ACuriousMind

@0celoñe7 Well, it's normal for the USA, apparently. It's not normal for Germany. How was I supposed to know what's normal for India?

0celoñe7

What is the Indian obsession with Maggi?

dmckee

The first CUORE physics results are in.

2

0celoñe7

@Kaumudi.H You're Christian?

ACuriousMind

@0celoñe7 I think it's their generic term for instant noodles i.e. kleenexification

dmckee

3:53 PM

There are firmly negative on neutrinoless double beta decay but don't have enough sensitivity for that to mean much,

user228700

@0celoñe7 It's the only way students survive, man.

John Rennie

The same as the US (student) obsession with Ramen noodles.

0celoñe7

@JohnRennie I have never had ramen in college.

John Rennie

@0celoñe7 actually I quite like that sort of noodles :-)

user228700

@0celoñe7 No, but the hostel is affiliated with the college and one need not be Chrisitan to book a room.

0celoñe7

3:54 PM

The ramen thing is really a meme.

user228700

@0celoñe7: It's hilariously easy to make maggi, man; like I said, I hope to be able to make it in a kettle!

dmckee

@0celoñe7 Er. I went about seven months with (fortified) ramen for dinner at one point.

0celoñe7

@ACuriousMind I don't actually say kleenex since I didn't grow up with them.

Can't remember the German brand though.

dmckee

An egg and frozen vegatables added to give it substance and vitamins.

0celoñe7

Tempo?

ACuriousMind

3:55 PM

@0celoñe7 Well, here we say Tempo

0celoñe7

@ACuriousMind I remember the brand word for tape well since the actual German word is awful.

ACuriousMind

Klebeband is a wonderful word :P

0celoñe7

Da irrst du dich, mein freund.

user228700

@JohnR: And I'm not going to be able to download any movies too, me having no WiFi from now!

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H Can you receive personal post at the hostel? I could post you DVDs with perfectly legal copies of films on.

0celoñe7

3:59 PM

"legal"

John Rennie

I'm amazed there's no wifi at the hostel.

ACuriousMind

"DVD"

what year is it?

0celoñe7

NO WIFI

@Kaumudi.H you are going to die

user228700

@JohnRennie Oh, no, I'm certainly not letting you to go to that much trouble!

0celoñe7

@ACuriousMind My computer case doesn't even have a slot for an optical drive

user228700

4:00 PM

@0celoñe7 Yeah, thanks :-/

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H you seem to have an exaggerated notion of what constitutes "trouble".

0celoñe7

@JohnRennie If you're going through trouble can you buy me Giaquinta "Cartesian Currents in the Calculus of Variations 1" thanks

ACuriousMind

@0celoñe7 I still have one, but I've ripped all of my disks as digital images anyway so I don't have to go through the trouble of manually inserting them.

Not that I need these disks often, mostly when nostalgia compels me to start up an old game

John Rennie

You should try being (semi) retired one day. You have a lot of time on your hands. That's why I have time to hang out here :-)

@0celoñe7 I haven't heard of that film.

user228700

@JohnRennie Erm... :-)

ACuriousMind

4:02 PM

@JohnRennie I think for most of us unemployment is a more easily realized alternative :P

I'd love to become semi-retired without passing through the "fully employed" stage, though ;)

0celoñe7

Dammit, I can't calculate $\tr\rho^2$

Why is this so hard

user228700

@JohnR: I'm fairly certain that I'm allowed to receive post at the hostel, yes.

John Rennie

@ACuriousMind I worked 50-60 hour weeks for about 25 years. I'm not boasting or complaining because I loved every minute of it, but dammit I earned the early (semi) retirement :-)

@Kaumudi.H cool. We can discuss the details somewhere less public as and when you feel a desperate desire to watch a film :-)

0celoñe7

why is there no wifi?

ACuriousMind

@0celoñe7 It could be used for un-Christian purposes. You should understand :P

user228700

4:06 PM

@JohnRennie Lol :-P Thanks!

user228700

@0celoñe7 Too expensive, I'd guess.

0celoñe7

@ACuriousMind Not having internet and being bored leads to far more unholy behavior.

ACuriousMind

@JohnRennie I wasn't doubting that, don't worry

John Rennie

There's bound to be wifi at the university. Though they may well monitor access so discretion might be in order.

user228700

@JohnRennie The Indian govt. has just given govt. colleges a bunch of money for their campuses to have WiFi. Let's hope the plan comes through!

John Rennie

4:08 PM

@Kaumudi.H It'll be implemented the day after you graduate :-)

dmckee

^ That.

And they'll charge you extra fees to make it happen, too

Or at least that how things always worked for me.

ACuriousMind

@JohnRennie My elementary school was near a highway. They built a wall against the sound the year after I graduated...

dmckee

Hmmm ... I suppose that everyone having a few 'and they made it better right after I left' stories is actually a sign of continuous incremental improvements going on.

It should probably be read as a good thing.

user228700

@JohnRennie :-/ Let's hope not!

user228700

@dmckee Nah, no extra fees or anything, it being a govt. college.

John Rennie

4:13 PM

@dmckee I had a quick scan through the CUORE pdf but they don't say a lot in the conclusions apart from no signal for double beta decay. Doesn't that just mean neutrinos aren't Majorana particles?

dmckee

@JohnRennie Yeah. Majorana neutrinos would enable that channel, but Dirac neutrinos don't.

user228700

@ACuriousMind The year after I graduated elementary school, they renovated the whole building, with projectors and computers in every single classroom and everything.

user228700

We were all depressed, to say the least.

dmckee

But now that I read a few more slide this is still pretty preliminary. They are at scale with the detector but haven't run long enough to make much of a statement yet.

John Rennie

@dmckee but weren't Majorana neutrinos always a bit of a long shot. As in it would be great if they were but no-one really thought it was likely.

dmckee

4:17 PM

The result mostly shows that they will be able to make one eventually.

0celoñe7

@yuggib Is it true that density matrices are compact operators? The book I'm reading references Simon for the spectral decomposition for density matrices, but he only deals with the compact case. There are some PSE posts that reference the Hilbert-Schmidt spectral theorem, which also only applies to compact operators. I cannot actually prove that, for the life of me. What gives?

dmckee

@JohnRennie Well, the thing is that the group structure of the Standard Model has them as Majorana.

John Rennie

It does?

dmckee

Or rather it requires them to be Majorana if they have mass which the model contends they don't but experiment shows they do.

So finding them Dirac would certainly be "physics beyond the standard model".

John Rennie

I need to read some more about this ...

Anonymous

4:19 PM

@Kaumudi.H Did the government already churn out money? :O I thought that was just a proposal made by Reliance Jio

John Rennie

Jio I was trying to remember the name of that operator.

user228700

Jio? Jio is involved?

Anonymous

Yeah. Let me find out the news article

John Rennie

There was an article in one of the UK IT magazines about the huge differenece Jio has made to the mobile market in India.

dmckee

And then there is a large contingent of theorists rooting for Majorana because with that and large $\delta_{CP}$ they can get enough leptogenesis to explain the matter/antimatter imbalance.

user228700

4:20 PM

Clearly, I'm not well informed.

Anonymous

hindustantimes.com/india-news/…

user228700

@JohnRennie No kidding! I get 1GB data (everyday) at an OK speed for 3 months for Rs. 400.

Anonymous

@JohnRennie Yeah. We get 2GB data for only around 2$ a month nowadays

Anonymous

Rs.399 for 3 months or something like that

user228700

2? I only get 1 for that same plan...

Anonymous

4:22 PM

@Kaumudi.H The plan I chose gives me 2GB per day :)

Anonymous

It depends

John Rennie

@Kaumudi.H that's a film a day! Two films if I use a higher compression.

user228700

And you pay only Rs. 399? That's gotta be wrong...

Anonymous

@Kaumudi.H I'm sending you a screenshot...wait

John Rennie

That moment when you realise someone else has a better phone plan than you ...

user228700

4:23 PM

@JohnRennie Haha, I'll conserve my data on those days, then! :-)

user228700

> conserve my interent

user228700

Sigh.

Anonymous

@Kaumudi.H Ooops..mine is Rs.499 for 3months

0celoñe7

1GB per day??

user228700

@Blue Ah :-)

0celoñe7

4:24 PM

How are you people using that much data

Anonymous

@0celoñe7 Mine is 2 :P

Anonymous

I use it on watching OCW lectures

0celoñe7

@Blue I use 500MB a month

What are you doing

John Rennie

@0celoñe7 remember that all the Internet is through the phone.

user228700

@0celoñe7 No WiFi, mate.

0celoñe7

4:24 PM

@JohnRennie what, why?

Anonymous

@0celoñe7 Youtube!

0celoñe7

@Kaumudi.H so strange

@Blue do you not have wifi?

John Rennie

@0celoñe7 The Indian broadband is not well developed.

Anonymous

@0celoñe7 Wifi isn't very fast here unfortunately. It gives 2Mbps or something

Anonymous

Jio gives 30 Mbps

Anonymous

4:26 PM

Some broadbands do give high speeds but those are too costly

user228700

Actually, back at home, I used to have excellent WiFi; close to 25 Mbps and all so yeah, I'd hardly use 10 mb on my phone then.

Anonymous

@Kaumudi.H Which company's broadband? BSNL?

user228700

No, ACT.

Anonymous

I see

Anonymous

BSNL is the worst :P

user228700

4:29 PM

^ Jeez.

John Rennie

@dmckee Aaaaaaaaaah! Some interesting reading there.

0celoñe7

@ACuriousMind Can you superping Moretti?

Anonymous

@0celoñe7 His email address is given on his webpage (in case you didn't know) : valter.moretti@unitn.it

John Rennie

Wow, Trento. Smack in the middle of the Italian Alps. That's got to be a great place to work :-)

Anonymous

4:36 PM

Great to eat :P

yuggib

@0celoñe7 yes the density matrices are trace class, i.e. compact, positive self-adjoint operators

0celoñe7

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

yuggib

And the spectral theorem for compact operators is really just the decomposition in singular values (eigenvalues of the absolute value of the operator)

0celoñe7

I know the theorems on compact operator

I have been trying to prove they are compact for like 5 hours now

ACuriousMind

@0celoñe7 I can. I won't. :P

yuggib

4:44 PM

Im which sense why? The most mathematical explanation is that they are the normal states in the W* algebra of observables

0celoñe7

@yuggib How does trace class imply compact?

yuggib

By assumption (a physical one)

0celoñe7

@yuggib Are you saying it is not mathematically probable that a self-adjoint, positive, trace class operator is a compact operator?

yuggib

That is standard, even if I can't remember the proof by heart. I would look at Simon's book "trace ideals and ..."

@0celoñe7 no, I am saying that we choose it trace class amd therefore compact, by physical motivations

0celoñe7

I am looking at his book

I give up

BAYMAX

4:49 PM

any good book on biography on Albert Einstein ?

suggestions?

Anonymous

@BAYMAX amazon.com/s/…

BAYMAX

thanks

0celoñe7

@JohnRennie random low fps when nothing seems to be wrong (check the top left corner)

It wa sustained

Sir Cumference

5:17 PM

@EmilioPisanty So wait, are the vast majority of papers in journals published by pre-docs?

Even prestigious journals?

Emilio Pisanty

@SirCumference what do you mean by "published by", and how does it handle a paper with more than one author?

Sir Cumference

@EmilioPisanty Well, are the lead authors of most papers pre-docs?

Emilio Pisanty

@SirCumference what do you mean by lead author?

Sir Cumference

@EmilioPisanty First name you see in the "authors" section

Emilio Pisanty

That's a convention that depends on the subfield.

Several fields (including, if I recall correctly, cosmology) use alphabetical sorting, so it's not a useful metric

Sir Cumference

5:20 PM

@EmilioPisanty Well, let me rephrase: do the vast majority of names in the "authors" sections of papers consist of pre-docs?

Emilio Pisanty

@SirCumference in all of science?

Sir Cumference

@EmilioPisanty Physics

Emilio Pisanty

@SirCumference that's still waaaaaaaaaaay too broad

Sir Cumference

Er, astronomy

Emilio Pisanty

There are enormous variations in those conventions

I can't speak for astronomy

you should ask e.g. Kyle Kanos

Sir Cumference

5:21 PM

Well, what did you guys mean when you said "most research is done by pre-docs"?

Emilio Pisanty

but generally speaking, I would put it at maybe 50% of the authors of any given physics paper being graduate students

In my field (broadly speaking, quantum optics and related fields), the convention puts special emphasis on first author and last author

the last author is the principal investigator (PI), usually a professor, the head of the group, and the person who leads the effort, provides overall guidance and direction, and fights for the funding

the first author is the lead author and the person who did most of the work, very often a graduate student

Either way, this is relatively easy to check for yourself (though it can be time-consuming if you want to scale up to many papers)

Sir Cumference

@EmilioPisanty Huh. There are definitely more grad students than professors in research, grad students may not spend nearly as many years in research as professors.

If a prof has dozens of times the number of studies as a grad student, shouldn't most research be done by profs?

Emilio Pisanty

@SirCumference that's not what I said

if 50% are students that does not mean the other 50% are professors

some (very!) rough numbers might be 30% postdocs, 15% tenure-track faculty, 5% tenured professors

@SirCumference what on Earth does "most research is done by" mean?

Sir Cumference

Huh.

@EmilioPisanty Wow, I'm being way too vague.

Emilio Pisanty

@SirCumference you don't say

Sir Cumference

5:27 PM

._.

dmckee

@SirCumference Your PI will be a coauthor on almost every paper you publish. Professors have a lot of papers over their career because they are doing it for a long time.

Sir Cumference

@EmilioPisanty So I'll just think of it as: most authors in a given physics paper are grad students, than postdocs, than assistant profs, than tenured profs

Thanks

dmckee

But those papers are published in conjunction with their own advisor (and possibly post-doc bosses) and then in conjunction with their grad students.

Emilio Pisanty

@SirCumference You have a tendency to take every vague and rough statement and take it as literal gospel

Sir Cumference

@EmilioPisanty D:

I'm just trying to understand things here

Emilio Pisanty

5:29 PM

@SirCumference roughly speaking, that's correct, but there's huge amounts of variation

both paper-to-paper and field-to-field

dmckee

At least in my field (experimental particle physics) the hands-on laboratory work and the analysis is mostly performed by grad students and post-docs. But the grad students are in regular contact with their mentors, and the post-docs are executing plans laid in conjunction with the PIs.

Emilio Pisanty

76

A: Welcome to Academia.SE!

Academia varies more than you think it does Academic customs and procedures vary greatly across countries, universities, fields, subfields, workgroups and so on. Therefore always consider that what you assume to be general in your question or answer is not. It is very helpful if your question i...

Sir Cumference

@EmilioPisanty ...

Th-thanks...

Semiclassical

For me, I do mostly mathematical physics stuff and my advisor mostly does stuff one-on-one with his students.

dmckee

Professors bemoan how little time they get to spend on the "real" work because they are busy with their teaching and service duties for the university and also with handling grant paperwork and doing all that mentoring.

Semiclassical

5:31 PM

So it varies a lot.

dmckee

But nothing would happen without them.

ACuriousMind

And then there are the 100+ author papers of experimental collaborations...

Emilio Pisanty

and then there's things like

10

Q: How should I interpret an almost-but-not-quite-alphabetical author list?

I just noticed a weird aspect about this paper (which was of interest here and recently came up again here). If you look at the author list, it reads L. P. Gaffney, P. A. Butler, M. Scheck, A. B. Hayes, F. Wenander, M. Albers, B. Bastin, C. Bauer, A. Blazhev, S. Bönig, N. Bree, J. Cederkäll, ...

authorship

Sir Cumference

@dmckee How on earth do you mentor when you're tenure-track and have to worrying about constantly publishing good work?

dmckee

@SirCumference The mentoring is how you publish.

Sir Cumference

5:33 PM

@ACuriousMind I heard that's why you shouldn't go into particle physics. It's extremely hard to get recognition when you are one in dozens of authors in a given experiment

ACuriousMind

Well, do you care about recognition or about doing the kind of science you want? :P

dmckee

You're not in the lab at all hours like you were in grad school: you are guiding students through getting your projects done and learning how to envision, launch and complete their own projects.

And you are an author on all those papers.

Emilio Pisanty

(in which, btw, user4512@Academia is the now-deleted user10851@PSE)

ACuriousMind

@EmilioPisanty :'(

Emilio Pisanty

@ACuriousMind I know

Sir Cumference

5:34 PM

@EmilioPisanty ...who?

Chris W?

Emilio Pisanty

@SirCumference yes

Sir Cumference

Guessed. Dang...

dmckee

The job where you do the maximum fraction of your time on research is post-doc. If you want to keep that then you;re not looking for a tenure track position you are looking for a "soft money" faculty or staff position.

Where "soft money" means that you have to keep the grants coming in to keep the job.

Not an easy way to make a living but some people manage it for decades and seem to thrive on it.

I really enjoyed my time as a post-doc. It's simply fun.

Emilio Pisanty

@dmckee Yeah, I'm really enjoying it.

Sir Cumference

@dmckee That sounds like you have to keep publishing, nonstop

dmckee

5:37 PM

But it doesn't pay a heck of a lot and you can't keep it up forever. Sooner rather than later you transition to soft money, to tenure track, to teaching, to industry, or to the dole.

Emilio Pisanty

btw CC @Slereah

The Smallest Satellite In Space

►

Sir Cumference

> to the dole

Jesus...

dmckee

@SirCumference Notice that you have several other choices. This is like any other internship: they won't let you keep it forever. Up or out.

Emilio Pisanty

It says spacecraft on the dissertation, too

so it must be true

=P

Sir Cumference

@dmckee If you're living off grants, you have to keep publishing, right? How can you focus on quality over quantity?

0celoñe7

5:40 PM

@SirCumference what do you expect to do?

Honestly some of this seems like you complaining about what it means to be a researcher

Emilio Pisanty

@SirCumference you keep a stream of small papers coming out to keep the grant agencies happy and you devote as much energy as you can to long-term projects

Sir Cumference

@0celoñe7 I used to think I could focus on answering important unsolved problems in the field. Now it just seems like "post whatever you can"

dmckee

@SirCumference Lots of bad papers aren't going to get the next grant. Good, solid work and an on-going vision about where to go next is how you get the next grant.

Emilio Pisanty

^ that

dmckee

You can get away with a MPU every once in a while and no one will judge you on it. But put out nothing else and they will know. And they won't give you more money.

0celoñe7

5:41 PM

@SirCumference and who's gonna fund that?

@dmckee MPU?

Emilio Pisanty

@0celoñe7 Minimal Publishable Unit

dmckee

^ That.

Sir Cumference

Least publishable unit

In academic publishing, the least publishable unit (LPU), also smallest publishable unit (SPU), minimum publishable unit (MPU), loot, or publon, is the smallest measurable quantum of publication, the minimum amount of information that can be used to generate a publication in a peer-reviewed venue, such as a journal or a conference. (Maximum publishable unit and optimum publishable unit are also used.) The term is often used as a joking, ironic, or derogatory reference to the strategy of artificially inflating quantity of publications. Publication of the results of research is an essential part...

0celoñe7

Was the Wiki link necessary

Sir Cumference

@0celoñe7 You asked the question

Emilio Pisanty

5:43 PM

and yeah, if you publish a bunch of MPUs (and only that), people definitely notice

and it is not pretty once they do

anyways, this is relevant (though overly cynical)

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Semiclassical

Oof. I've landed in the second author slot a few times, but I hope I don't count for that :(

Emilio Pisanty

@Semiclassical well, it depends. Ideally you want to appear in as broad a range of roles as possible, I tend to think.

Semiclassical

Well, sure. But "had nothing to do with the project but hung around the group meetings for food" isn't much of a role :P

Emilio Pisanty

@Semiclassical yeah, well, I've never seen that kinda person get any authorship credit

Semiclassical

Sure. But you see my point

0celoñe7

5:48 PM

looks at papers on group's google drive

holy shit

Emilio Pisanty

@ACuriousMind Does this one get a spot on the Itinerary?

Tittmoning

Tittmoning is a town in the district of Traunstein, in Bavaria, Germany. == Geography == It is situated in the historic Rupertiwinkel region, on the left bank of the river Salzach, which forms the border with the municipality of Ostermiething in the Austrian state of Salzburg. The two communes are linked by a bridge. Tittmoning is located about 30 kilometres (19 mi) northwest of the Salzburg city centre. == History == The settlement of Titamanninga was first mentioned about 790 AD, then a possession of St Peter's Abbey, Salzburg. After the Archbishops of Salzbug had achieved immediate status in...

presumably between Petting and Fucking?

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