The h Bar

Sam knows what's up

@0celo7 Sam?

user228700

@0celo7 Ahem.

$\therefore$ Sir Cum. is not a cool kid

Thanks chaps, it appears that works :-)

6:06 PM

@0celo7 Verified

@Kaumudi.H ::hands lozenge::

@JohnRennie Jolly good, then!

lol

user228700

@0celo7 Lol :-P

ACM is now British

6:07 PM

@vzn I don't know if heather knows a lot of things taught in usual high school physics classes

user228700

Whoa whoa, @JohnR is still around?! :-o

And isn't @Kaumudi.H studying for the JEE? That's a huge level above high school physics where I'm from

@SirCumference dont know either, but it cant hurt man, unless your friend has "thin skin" np ... ps correction heather has ~5K on main site so she does know some physics o_O

Don't you dare mention that word

@0celo7 JEE whiz

6:09 PM

We already had to get one person banned because of it

@Kaumudi.H I generally clock off around 18:00 UK time, at which point I find a bottle opener, a bottle of beer and my armchair, in that order.

@SirCumference >:(

please don't

user228700

Right. I'm surprised u're still around. It's almost 12 AM over here...

@0celo7 Ok ok JEEz

@SirCumference JEE is not physics related is it? thought it was something else, she never talks about JEE

6:09 PM

wtf people

@vzn Engineering, which incorporates lots of physics

I like you guys, why would you do this?

@SirCumference lol

@Kaumudi.H 18:09 here

user228700

Ah, OK. Enjoy the rest of ur evening :-)

6:10 PM

JEEzuz!

@JohnRennie Which apparently some clock arithmetic is preventing you from currently?

I got interested in that problem of Bernardo's ...

user228700

@vzn It is. It's Physics, Chem. & Math.

@vzn Knowing it qualitatively and knowing the formulae are different

@Kaumudi.H wow you never mentioned JEE, its nearly a 4 letter word around here these days... its not what youre studying for are you? o_O

Joint Entrance Examination

6:12 PM

Joint Entrance Examination (JEE) is an all India common engineering entrance examination conducted for admission to various engineering colleges and courses all over the country. The test comprises of two stages - JEE Main and the JEE Advanced. The exams are of the objective pattern. JEE Advanced is regarded internationally as one of the most challenging engineering admission tests. In 2012, the government-run Central Board of Secondary Education (CBSE) that earlier conducted the AIEEE, announced this common examination that replaced the AIEEE and IIT-JEE. JEE consists of two parts, JEE Main and...

user228700

::0celo7 punches laptop::

> JEE Advanced is regarded internationally as one of the most challenging engineering admission tests. ~Wikipedia

@vzn Yes, a three letter word is nearly a four letter word, not only around here :P

JEEsus

user228700

@vzn :-) It certainly is. I didn't think many people would know about it (before), which is why I didn't bring it up.

6:13 PM

In the U.S. we have the SAT or the ACT

ACT (test)

The ACT (/eɪ siː tiː/; originally an abbreviation of American College Testing) college readiness assessment is a standardized test for high school achievement and college admissions in the United States produced by ACT, a nonprofit of the same name. It was first administered in November 1959 by Everett Franklin Lindquist as a competitor to the College Board's Scholastic Aptitude Test, now the SAT. The ACT originally consisted of four tests: English, Mathematics, Social Studies, and Natural Sciences. In 1989, the Social Studies test was changed into a Reading section (which included a Social Studies...

@Kaumudi.H didnt see you in all the JEE dialog, did you notice some have showed up to chat to focus on it? saw they had their own room at one pt

You pick either

user228700

@vzn Yes, I did. I was briefly even one of the owners of that room :-)

@Kaumudi.H so all this time youve been working on/ studying JEE, not some other test? shocked o_O

user228700

Lol, why are u shocked?

6:15 PM

In Germany, we don't have a standardized test that's a big deal :P

@ACuriousMind What is this dream land

user228700

^

Feb 18 at 8:04, by Kaumudi. H

When did this place become the IIT JEE prep. room?

@SirCumference Oh, the education system has its fair share of fucked-upness here, too. Just standardized testing is not one of its faults, thankfully.

↑ lol apparently when kaumudi arrived, missed that! chat.stackexchange.com/search?user=228700&q=jee

6:16 PM

@vzn A lot of people here (most?) are from India

So it's a pretty big deal

I quit.

At least it wasn't when I was in school. I haven't followed recent developments very closely.

Also a lot of people in high school

user228700

@vzn ...it didn't feel comfortable to talk about Physics keeping in mind the exam rather than the learning itself.

@yuggib Of course you can approximate the closed ball by the open balls

I'm STUPID

6:17 PM

@SirCum theres your answer for your friend, just get her a JEE textbook! :P

@vzn Dear lord, I'm not trying to make her collapse from stress

user228700

@vzn When I arrived?

@Kaumudi.H lol, whatever, you said from the very beginning you wanted to do better on the exam & it was your motivation...

@yuggib I'm concerned about points in $b(X'')$ with $||x''||=1$, but you can take a sequence $x''_n=(1-n^{-1})x''$...that converges to $x''$ by definition of topological vector space...

And each $x_n''$ can be approximated by points in $b(X)$ by Helly's theorem

user228700

@vzn It really was but the exam was never constantly on my mind.

6:19 PM

@SirCumference actually do very much like the idea of approaching physics from an engr pov :)

Yosida really should have a comment there on what to do

A: Implementing Miller-Rabin in C

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With Visual Studio 2015 Community edition I found two problems. First the line: while (!d&1){ needs to be: while (!(d&1)){ Secondly, as mentioned in the comments your modpow function is overflowing. Try: int modpow(int a, int d, int m) { int c = a; for (int i = 1; i < d; i++) ...

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@SirCumference I haven't... yet.

@Kaumudi.H Keep kicking :)

@Kaumudi.H look think theres absolutely no shame in trying to do well on particular exams. aka "test prep", its actually a very big industry in US. its been that way in US for decades wrt SAT/ ACT, took SAT in jr high myself! US is obsessed with ("stdized") testing, its a bit out of control...

6:20 PM

Damn!

And with that I'm done for the evening. I'm going to open my armchair and sit on a bottle of beer. No ... hang on ....

Emilio Pisanty

@0celo7 $\mathrm{Proof?}$

@0celo7 [citation-needed]

user228700

@vzn Sure. However, when learning itself is done whilst keeping the exam in mind (at every step of the way), quite a lot is...not conveyed properly. "Tricks" are invented etc.

@EmilioPisanty mathjax doesn't work on that SE apparently :P

Emilio Pisanty

6:22 PM

@0celo7 ah, well, then you're on your own, and suits you right for venturing that far off the beaten track

@Kaumudi.H there is some pt there, but would actually take contrary opinion in some ways. some students who optimize for exams sometimes learn material better than others. & there are some very elite/ prestigious "exams" eg math olympiads. in fact the only winner of a millenium prize, perelman, was a young math olympiast (learned that myself reading a great bio on him).

@EmilioPisanty I would fire back but I just spent 4 hours on a functional analysis proof and am done

I'm done with life

but I have a damn lab I need to get to

user228700

@vzn Hmm. I've come across far too many people (& even teachers who are recent graduates who did their studying just like us) who don't know very much about the subject because they didn't concentrate on the learning.

user228700

Key-words: Some students.

@Kaumudi.H pt taken but this is a sort of philosophical problem with edu, not nec with individuals. schools are full of students like that all over the world. its a cultural issue. not everyone is in school to learn. its a kind of shocking concept in some ways, banal in others...

6:25 PM

Functional analysis is objectively the worst math

user228700

In fact, it was one such teacher that screwed me over completely.

ZeroTheHero

@Kaumudi.H Proficiency is not a guarantee of competence, but lack of proficiency usually correlates strongly with incompetence.

@BernardoMeurer: I hate your programming style. What's wrong with some white space? Did you get beaten up by a blank line as a kid so you have a permanent grudge against them?

user228700

Ur points are perfectly valid :-) But to each his (her) own.

@Kaumudi.H sorry to hear that (wonder about the story) but when considers how many teachers one will have over a lifetime, (some) bad ones are inevitable. & can actually lead to other types of "learning experiences"... o_O

user228700

6:27 PM

@vzn I've had far too many bad ones for my liking, I'm afraid.

user228700

@JohnR has been one of the best (top 5, perhaps) teachers I've had in my whole life and that's really saying something, seeing as he's not even literally here.

@Kaumudi.H india edu culture is probably a bit different than worldwide. its even more "assembly line" than elsewhere due to the massive #s involved. know this is a radical suggestion for you, but if youre really serious consider another locale.

@JohnRennie link?

user228700

@vzn I'm curious; are u from India?

@Kaumudi.H US, but do talk to a lot of indians on SE chat over the years.