(sorry if I'm bothering you with that everytime this subject come in ^^')

@avazula let's say you either notice/know or get told that someone is disgusted by you, how would you react?, and no, you don't know why.

@Rainb I personally would feel terribly sad and would wonder why

but I'm too sensitive ;)

@Rainb That would be awfull :/

What would be the ideal way to react...?

@Ælis no worries :) well, Idk... work needs to be done, we should be ten people more to finish the project but here it is just the two of us, and ... voilà ...

Eh, nevermind.

Too abstract.

@Rainb I wouldn't do anything. The person in question didn't tell you so, just act like nothing happened if you can.

I don't suppose any of you have experience with specialized german EDI standards?

what is EDI

@Magisch what's EDI?

@avazula There is no such thing as being too sensitive (IMO). There are only people not caring enough about other

some kind of automated delivery note and invoicing system

electronic data interchange

I am not specialized in that

nor know anyone that knows about that

@Magisch erh no, sorry :/

and I don't know anyone who could know anyone about that, either.

Our 19 year old edi tool finally failed together with the server that ran it

:(

now we need a new solution for edi delivery note forecasting

oh

@Rainb I don't think you can plan such "ideal" reaction. My "ideal" reaction would be to find a quiet and alone place to process this information, but that just me taking care of my needs. If you have other needs, than you should react differently

what do you mean failed.

server went kaput, and we don't have the installer, licensing key or settings for the tool no more

I hate my own body sometimes... the joints on my body keep disjointing and jointing back in place

and the company that made it no longer exists

ahh

In fact, the guy that wrote some of the shareware in the toolchain we use died in 2017

Ahh

@Termatinator :( lots of courage to you

what is delivery note forecasting?

VDA Standard 4913 type electronic delivery notes used in lieu and in advance of paper delivery notes for Just in Time manufacturing

@Ælis Do you think it is crazy that I want to always have a plan, the truth is, when I don't, my reaction is not to react.

And not reacting begets awkwardness at some times, and trouble on other times.

ehh....

@Magisch Sounds very specific

@avazula I got used to it... not that I like it of course

@Termatinator I understand

Basically when you electronically submit delivery notes just as the merchandise leaves your premises, so the recipient can plan for its arrival early, and the format is according to some specific sentence file structure thing by the german chamber of industry

and all the customers we have that use it have their own supplementary standard too

Ohhh

so it is a shared standard?

ish

if that is so, isn't there an open source solution?

no

or rather, none we can use

I have to write my own, sometime this week. Spent most of the day poring over standard documents and customer orders

which language

php

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah interestiing

@Magisch : pfff, horrible project

@Magisch you poor little cactus

@Magisch guess what I'm coding right now XD

@Magisch I think this is relevant here

php gets an unfairly bad rap from time to time

if you don't code like spaghetti, it's fairly reliable and good

but there are languages that are so much better

The only time I had to use php for my backend programming, I was so sad...

@avazula Literally all of them, except for javascript

@Rainbacon lol. Aren't you a JS programmer?

(among other things)

I primarily work in javascript, php and tsql

fight me

According to my employer I'm a "generalist", though the majority of my client work is in JS

@Magisch tsql isn't so bad

PHP was the first language I learned :D

My first language was BASIC

@Rainbacon Me too!

Then Java, ugh

like I said, php can produce clean, working and understandable code

if you don't give in to the dark side and adhere to clean code principles, and navigate around some of the stupidity in it

I moved from there to Python, then C, C++, C#

@Magisch From Rainbacon's article:

> as long as there are smart enough people wrangling the things, they can overcome problems with the platform.

@Rainbacon Basic > Java > C > Assembly > C++ > Python > JS

I'm very picky when it comes to languages. C/C++ are my favs of all time, but I got used to Python.

And JS, well... It's unavoidable when you do web stuff

I really like C/C++, but my favorite is Haskell (though I never get to use it at work)

@Rainbacon ha, never used that one :p

I got really excited in an interview last week when the interviewer told me part of the system was written in C, but then she told me that "you'll never touch that because we need it to be really high performance" and I felt a bit insulted

@Rainbacon oh dear o_o that ain't nice

Yeah, that company and I are not a good match for one another

All they do is serve ads, and I'd rather not do that

@Rainbacon :(

@Rainbacon The EA of B2B software companies

I actually like PHP

@Termatinator eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design

my favorite PHP fun fact

@EmC that explains a lot :D

holy shit

@EmC I didn't know that

@Imus right?! that was my reaction too when I first read it

@Sid each to their own i guess

back in ~2005 PHP made it pretty easy to learn how to use cookies and sessions and all that, so that was nice :) I'm sure I have no idea what "real" PHP looks like nowadays tho, web technologies change so much

@Rainb I don't find this crazy. When I don't know how to react I tend to freeze and panic, so I believe that we are really alike in this way

@Ælis When intereacting with people I tend to think of what_ifs and making a plan that satisfies me, I should always know what to say, no matter what question they ask, or what they say, or that's the idea. If I get an unexpected response, I just leave and think about how to reply. Usually it doesn't matter by the time I have figured out, but it can be used the next time it happens.

I mean not always, of course, but that's how I think of it.

@Rainb The first part is usually my strategy too.

I am unable to be spontaneous, or to save face in social situations.

But sometimes, what that does is, you can kinda overthink and don't interact enough in a limited time because of planning too much

well, usually it is the only tool I have to interact with people, being caught with nothing to say it is awkward and embarassing at first, and then it is annoying.

@Rainb A lot of people in the autism spectrum have this problem. It's also hard for me to be spontaneous and I really like having to be (like in online conversation when I have time to think about what I'm going to write)

@Rainb In those cases, I find that non-verbal communication helps