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1:03 AM
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Q: How can I get interested in other people?

tutizeriI lack social skills, because I don't find other people interesting, so I fail to start and maintain conversations. What could I do to find other people conversation interesting? (I mean people in general, not people who shares my interests and tastes). Note that I'm not asking how to make othe...

I don't understand how should I edit it to make a right question.
Can I get some help?
 
There are two major problems with your question. 1. It's not really about interpersonal skills... you're asking how to change yourself, not how to interact with others... and 2. It's incredibly broad. We have no way of knowing what would work. This site works best with questions that are narrow and clear and specific. Entire books have been written about what you're asking. We have a character limit of 30K. We just can't take that much under our care in one question.
 
Could ask what motivations lead people to talk with other people?
I have asperger syndrome, and I wish I could feel and enjoy those motivations.
 
So, tell me... why do you want to be interested in other people?
 
1:11 AM
I want to enjoy talking as normal people do
 
Why, though... do you actually want to do it or do you feel like you're missing out on something? What do you hope to gain from it?
 
I just want to be able to talk to people as normal people do
 
But what does that mean to you? What I've found is that people form these ideas about what something is like that aren't always based in reality...
 
Ideally, I would like to have normal people introspecting, and telling me "this motivates me to talk". This is the reward I expect/get
To me, talking is exchanging information for a specific purpose. But for normal people seems to be an end on itself.
 
Most people talk because they either share certain common interests, have something to learn from talking to someone, or out of a sense of social necessity.
@tutizeri That's really going to depend on the person, though... not everyone is like that.
 
1:19 AM
Can't people talk just for the pleasure of it?
 
@tutizeri This is problematic, though. It's the sort of thing that's too opinion based for Stack Exchange. Everyone will have a different answer. Yes, this site allows questions to be more subjective but "tell me why you converse with people"... is way too far past that line.
 
I think that it is a very important scientific cuestion
 
@tutizeri Maybe? I don't know. I pretty much always talk for a reason... and getting to know someone better is a reason... but I don't generally find much pleasure in talking just to talk.
 
getting to know someone better, is feeling based? You can't explain why? Is something that you just want?
I find weird that it cannot be asked. Is important, and not just to me.
 
You didn't ask that, though... and I don't think that I said it would be off topic. At this point, I'm trying to actually understand what you want.
 
1:27 AM
Although I agree with your added paragraph, this was not really what I meant. if not being with you makes them happy, you'd be okay with that because you're happy to see them happyRandolph Carter 24 secs ago
#15727 Randolph Carter (2248 rep) | A: How to maintain friendship with guys after they're married? (score: 26) | posted 7 hours ago by Words Like Jared (583 rep) | edited 4 minutes ago by Words Like Jared (583 rep)
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I want to empathize with normal people, in the experience of seeing another person, and desire to talk to him. There should be some pleasure in driving that desire. I wish I could imagine myself on the situation, then feel that crave for talking, or feel an expectation of pleasure from talking. I want to understand the experience so I can try it on me
I don't need a solution for me. I want to understand other people experience
 
Hoy, I'm back.
@Catija, I'm still a bit new on how some of these things work, but if you flag something correctly, but someone disagrees with it and disputes it, does it reflect badly on your account in any way?
 
@tutizeri So, I asked a question early on here that might sort of help you get a start... interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/2498/… This may be the path you want to take. You're looking to understand the science behind it, not what you should do specifically.
@Froopy Disputed flags don't count against you. If they're "declined" a moderator reviewed them and disagreed. If you get 25% of your flags in a week declined (minimum of 10 flags) you will lose the ability to flag for a week... this applies to post flags only.
 
Normal people cannot consciously explain his drive to talking?
I cannot ask for people answers to what drives them to talk?
 
@tutizeri Not to any degree that you want to actually trust the answers, no. Everyone is different... EVERYONE. Being AS doesn't actually make you unusual in that sense.
@tutizeri No. It's opinion based. You can ask what makes people - generally - want to talk with each other... but not what the users here each think. This isn't a survey site.
 
1:35 AM
Oh, okay. I ended up flagging about 6 answers that, according to some meta posts would have constituted a violation of the 'back it up' policy. Once I saw "disputed", I rolled back all of them. But knowing this going forward, I'll flag away if I see a NAA answer. interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3085/…
 
What counts as NAA is sort of in flux... we're still figuring it out. In general we need at least one of three things... 1. actual support from a paper or book or article or something. 2. personal experience with an explanation of what you did and why and what the eventual outcome was. 3. at minimum, some sort of explanation of why the answer would work, why you've suggested it.
3 is the one we're still sort of deciding on and are trying to figure out whether it's OK or not.
More than one is great.
 
Ok. Thanks you.
 
3 may have been the sticking point on a few of them, but I felt like most of the flagged ones didn't quite reach that criteria. Especially the one I linked.
Well, maybe half now that I think a bit more on it.
I need to save that somewhere.
 
 
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6:24 AM
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#15652 Flater (4982 rep) | A: How to avoid endless corporate evening pubs but still have nice relationship with the colleagues? (score: 3) | posted 45 hours ago by AHamilton (1190 rep) | edited 40 hours ago by AHamilton (1190 rep)
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@IPSCommentBot don't overreact ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell hey, it's one-flag deletable
 
7:21 AM
Hey. I'm looking for the correct flag for an answer that's not backed up. Is it "not an answer"?
 
@Belle-Sophie That's the one
 
@Cronax Thanks. Done :) Some of those have quite a lot of upvotes.
 
Yeah, it's quite a pickle...
 
@Belle-Sophie yup, but don't let that hinder you from flagging them
 
the general 'voting populace' of IPS hasn't caught on yet to the backing up policies and it worries me
since we received some pretty clear signals from The Powers That Be that it needs to be put in place if IPS is to survive
 
7:24 AM
just to be sure, you know that good logical explanations count as back up, not only personal experiences or references ;)
 
Yep, if the logical explanations get backed up, right? Can't pull them out of thin air.
 
@Belle-Sophie if they make sense, it's enough. take a look at the meta question
 
@Cashbee Was there a real decision on that? If so, where?
Ah, I'll have a look there
 
@Cashbee I think the answer I just flagged could do with a bit more backing it up, but it's almost there
 
can i has link?
 
7:30 AM
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A: How to maintain friendship with guys after they're married?

AnoplexianTake steps to invite the wife into your geeky friendships This doesn't necessarily have to be with games. Games is something you share with the guys. I suggest trying to find something to bond with either the ladies or both of them. By doing so, you'll find trust that you're really not intereste...

 
I disagree. I think it's a good answer
 
There's a what to do, to what effect, but no why it would work
 
argh im conflicted. i do see what you mean. It would profit from more explanations. But in the end, I don't think it is flag worthy.
i gave your comment an upboat but reviewed your flag as 'leave open' ;)
 
Fair enough :)
 
o/
 
7:36 AM
\o
 
\o/
For so long i thought \o/ means lol hahaha
 
... thinks
o7 (I'll do a salute, just to be different ;) )
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
@Cashbee .... Dude, try not to ruin it for people ;p
 
7:38 AM
@Cashbee Just fyi then: |(o)(o)| is a spongebob.
 
I had a friend who used to use :3
 
I <3 :3
 
@JourneymanGeek Because the 3 doesn't actually line up perfectly with the :, that always looked like an arabic character to me :P
 
@Tinkeringbell someone once sait that looks like a pair of... erm... balls
He stopped using it ;p
 
Okay! Thank you everyone for giving your weird interpretations of perfectly normal emoticons!
 
7:40 AM
@JourneymanGeek I'm... not seeing it. Maybe the fact that there's 2 dots is just enough for my innocent mind to be distracted :P
 
;p
(and that's my signature smiley. Comes from being too lazy to hit shift to : )
 
@JourneymanGeek i need shift for semicolon ;(
 
and the )
;p is basically the laziest smiley you can do with a US keyboard
 
just a typical wednesday morning
 
@JourneymanGeek what about 8p
 
7:43 AM
Not had enough coffee for 8p
 
hahaha
 
ס_ס ם_ם o_o 0_0 O_O
 
o0o_o0o
 
°_°
 
(\/)_(;,,;)_(\/) zoidberg
 
7:47 AM
If you need to explain it...
 
wubwubwubwub
 
@JourneymanGeek it oculd be mistaken for a regular crustacean right away
 
@JourneymanGeek ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
most crustasians don't have tentacles tho
 
7:49 AM
have you taken a close look on their faces?
 
Cthulu fthagn
 
@Magisch Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
 
@Marcus not really
 
"Squash him like a bug" for replying to emails?
o_O
people truly have no important problems
 
some VTDs would be nice
 
7:54 AM
;p
Don't look at me
 
@Mithrandir cant yet. but have some naa flags
 
I can't either, still 2k rep short :P
 
@JourneymanGeek looking specifically at you
 
I'm at 600... off one question
@Magisch the IPS main isn't a good fit for me lol
 
@Mithrandir I gave some
 
7:57 AM
apparently SOX got fixed
 
@JourneymanGeek ahh but you gotta get to 3k :p
 
*4k
 
I'm a venter not an asker :p
And if I did ask, I'd use my sock
 
Most of the answers to that question amaze me
how do people get through life when they are so distrustful of everyone
especially their SO's
 
8:14 AM
@Cronax once burned, twice shy
 
@Marcus Ill doers are ill deemers
(at least, that's the english equivalent google gives me for the dutch one I had in mind XD)
 
i have had people close to me that fell into both yours and my phrase and would say both apply
but being married is an investment and you cannot blame people for not wanting to put that on risk
 
Sure I can
if they commited to making an investment, commited to trust someone, I can surely expect them to follow-up by actually putting in the work of trusting their spouse
To my mind, that's what marriage means: I love you and trust you and want to build the rest of my life together with you as a unit.
 
its a romantic approach i guess
 
If that's a romantic approach then I really wonder why people are getting married if not for those reasons
no wonder so many marriages fail these days
 
8:21 AM
in the end it all boils down to the question if you trust your SO
 
my point exactly: if you trust your SO, why are you worried? If you don't trust your SO, how are you still together?
perhaps I'm making things too simple, I have a tendency to do that
 
its just a different point of view
 
i see it the same way.
 
@Marcus I don't see any different point of view
I am genuinely wondering how a marriage works if it's not based on trust
 
trust in what
 
8:24 AM
trust in your partner
 
@Marcus trust that the SO loves you enough to not cheat on you
But i think the question here on main is not saying that the wives don't trust their men. It's about preventing that any suspicion whatsoever arises
 
also trust in "your SO will not take others into consideration for being an even better match"? doesnt have to be cheating if your SO simply leaves you for another
 
suspicions can arise even when trust is there
 
expecting people not to become suspicious is a pipe dream
we're hardwired to be. It takes a lot of mental effort to talk yourself out of it
 
yup
hell
I don't trust myself sometimes
and I've known me my whole life!
 
8:28 AM
I occasionally become suspicious of my own intentions and I'm in my head :p
Let alone someone else who I can only observe based on behavior
 
Yeah! I even do stuff I told myself not too.
 
I'm pretty sure even if I had perfect mind reading I'd still be suspicious of a lot of things
despite evidence to the contrary. It's just some sort of unwanted feeling that comes up
 
remember this one?
 
A J
8:30 AM
@Mithrandir where is poke 2?
@Mithrandir Hebrew?
 
@Cashbee The accepted answer on that one is exactly my point
if you have trouble trusting, that's between you and your SO, an external party shouldn't need to concern themselves with that
 
Is an answer being bad advice a reason to delete it?
 
yes
Downvote if it's just 'not good advice', flag for deletion if it's actively harmful
that's how I understand things at least
 
It's in the delete review queue. The one just linked by the comment bot.
 
when flagging, also try to always leave a comment with the reason. when downvoting that is not required. (i know, you did that with the last one you flagged and asked about it ;))
@Belle-Sophie it has been there before that. i flagged it 1 min after it was posted ;)
 
8:38 AM
It's in there again now :) I voted for delete
 
@Belle-Sophie Not really I think. @Cronax, where did you get the impression it was?
If it's a well written answer, just bad advice, you can downvote it though
 
I also VTD that answer but not because its bad advice
it's also not backed up
 
^If that's the case, then that's the reason to delete it, not the fact that it's 'bad advice'
 
@Tinkeringbell That's what pushed me over the edge to click delete. Otherwise I would've clicked skip because I didn't know
 
@AJ no, R'lyehian
@AJ this is 1, this is 2
 
8:44 AM
Man that topic is emotionally loaded
 
@Marcus topics that deal with trust tend to be :D
 
@IPSCommentBot Left a comment on that one, it's certainly not a 'good answer'. interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/15724/…
 
maybe the implications of marriage have shifted nowadays so thats why we have different view on it
 
someone is on a comment spree, being careful to put a regex keyword in each of them :)
 
especially when we look at divorce rates marriage has left the throne of "we belong to each other now"
 
8:51 AM
@Marcus You have made similar implications several times now, I'm curious how you define a marriage?
(no hostility, just curiousity)
 
im figuring that out atm
 
I dont particularly like how everyone suggests to include the partner
it is or ostensibly should be possible to have non mutual friends as a couple
 
Well, that's probably super dependant on culture, and how conservative/non conservative the culture is, and the people in question
for some folk its "something you do"
 
looking at what is happening to regular relationships they have become a "i'll stick with you unless i find a way better match" from the previously "lets figure out if we can stand each other to go to marriage step"
 
for others its a formalisation of a longer term relationship
 
8:54 AM
my gut feeling says a similar shift is true for marriage, thats why i object the issue of trust @Cronax
 
@Marcus those are 2 very strange underlying definitions of love
 
are you advising me to see doctor? ;)
 
Marriage and relationships were never just one particular kind of thing to begin with and they aren't any one particular kind of thing now
 
yup
and heh, the way my culture does it is so very different too ;p
 
They were always, even within the same point in history within the same culture, many different things done for many different reasons and sustained or ended for many different reasons.
 
8:57 AM
@doppelgreener fair enough, but unless the marriage is purely for practical reasons there is the implication of trust isn't there?
if it's a marriage of convenience, can you really expect exclusivity from your partner?
 
I have a skewed view of it since I don't partake myself but it seems a lot of partnerships are based more on convenience and planning then any actual emotional connection
 
some say marriage is just a subscription to have someone to have dinner with
and i have heard married couples confirm this
just saying
 
My partner kind of walked in and stayed
 
I know people who openly admit to being married because they got used to each other's company and can deal with one another and un-entangling finances and all would be tedious at this point
 
@Marcus Like I said, if your marriage isn't based on love and trust, can you really expect exclusivity?
 
8:59 AM
@Cronax Thats a kind of moral hazard expectation thing set by the society you live in, imo
 
@Cronax "Practical reasons" means a lot of things, so I'm not sure how to answer that, and I'm not confident generalising that people going into marriages fully trust each other.
 
@Magisch ya, for some folks its mostly pragmatic
@Cronax not all marriages are completely exclusive tho
 
@Magisch @doppelgreener Perhaps I'm being reductionist again, but unless you agree to trust eachother as part of the 'marriage agreement', how can you expect that?
 
@JourneymanGeek Marriage generally implies it, at least where I'm from. It doesn't have to be, but that should (imo) be discussed
 
@Belle-Sophie certainly!
 
9:00 AM
@JourneymanGeek I am aware, in such cases the marriage is heavily trust-based though isn't it?
 
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@Cronax You may be surprised to find how little trust can exist in marriages and the myriad of reasons why people who don't trust each other might get married anyway.
 
But you can trust folks in those contexts too
 
trust isn't always conveyed by the person you're trusting
 
@doppelgreener amusingly there's a 99% chance I don't know the person I'd be marrying in future right now.
 
9:01 AM
People who had bad experiences may find it very hard or impossible to trust without proof through no fault of their partner
 
and/or they don't know me, and I'm a complete stranger XD
 
(love but lack of trust, tax reasons, because of peer pressure or a sense of obligation, because it's the thing you do to the person you're banging whether you can stand them or not...)
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, lots of cultures with arranged marriages (including European culture for a long time until recently!) involve the trust-building taking place after the marriage, and it's not guaranteed to succeed.
 
i need a more detailed explaination on what exactly you mean by trust. is it you can trust in your partner to tell you when something is bugging them? do you trust in them not leaving you for anything you do (on purpose or not)?
i guess thats why prenups exists
 
9:18 AM
I guess the almost visceral distaste people have for arranged marriage is largely due to how lopsided the power dynamic is most of the time
 
idk that topic is beyond me ... i guess i give up
@Tinkeringbell it is an answer but it needs a final touch
 
@Marcus :/ I don't see the answer to 'how to stay friends with these guys after they get married'...
 
@AllTheKingsHorses yes he is. — WendyG 1 min ago
#15700 WendyG (2152 rep) | A: How to deal with discussions about finances with SO without it escalating? (score: 8) | posted 24 hours ago by WendyG (2152 rep) | edited 24 hours ago by WendyG (2152 rep)
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@Tinkeringbell its implicit "you dont necessarily have to but can find alternatives"
 
9:30 AM
@Marcus The topic may be beyond many of us here ;) It is for me too ;)
@Marcus Hmmm... is that an answer though? I'm not so sure, at least not without a very good reason as to why what is asked is impossible/not a good idea/will turn out entirely wrong...
I may be biased, since it suggests going to a women only club... but it doesn't seem like an answer to me.
 
i find all reasons to determine whether these answers are "good" answers to be primarily opinion based. most of whats against our "this is a bad answers" comes from missing back-up but can be easily added in those. you dont have to remoce them when they dont align with our moral compass
 
many many users don't know how to write a proper frame challenge
 
@Marcus My point being that I am not seeing the back up, not necessarily that I disagree with the answer (although some back up on why that option is chosen seems a good addition as well)..
 
didnt we have a post where someone asked how to interrupt her coworker when shes wering headphones?

and the best answer was "you dont, and go apologize"
 
@Cashbee Exactly the reason why I think Thinks last answer link isn't really an answer
 
9:34 AM
@Marcus when it comes down to personal opinions on good or bad answers, that is where voting comes in. If it is missing back up, then it is objectively a bad answer and should be edited or removed
 
@Marcus 'best' or 'most agreed with'?
 
and we should ask the answerer to add those instead of just voting for deletion. i was not going for that specific issue @Tinkeringbell with that answer but to the others
 
@Marcus The best answer (iirc) there was: you don't, here's why you don't. Instead you should probably do ...
 
@Marcus nope, do both. deletion is not permanent. after they edited the question (which can take a long (if not infinite) time) they can request a reopening.
 
@Marcus Hmmm.. why not delete them, pending improvement, if back-up is missing? I'm seeing a lot of benefits to doing the deletion: No rep loss from downvotes, no voting the answer into oblivion before someone has a chance to wake up and see that it needs improvement, not visible as a bad example to new users...
 
9:36 AM
@Imus i'd suggest that formatting. if you dont, i will
 
But the fact that such edits can take so long, they should be deleted
 
@Marcus feel free :)
 
"deleted" is the wrong word for what it actually does IMO
 
"hidden" works better, but doesn't cover the "it's gone if it's not reworked"
 
"hidden", "needs-edit" or something like that would hit it better
 
9:39 AM
@Cashbee hidden pending improvement ;) but I think deleted should stay for r/a or spam stuff :P
 
format this into "you don't, here's why you don't. Instead you should probably do" with a little polishing and have my upvote. — Marcus 1 min ago
#15750 Marcus (59 rep) | A: How to maintain friendship with guys after they're married? (score: 6) | posted 8 hours ago by Erika (69 rep)
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off for lunch, laters o/
 
@IPSCommentBot ^@Marcus now you have to buy us cake :P
 
@IPSCommentBot @Marcus try to add the meta link to such comments ;)
 
Enjoy lunch :)
 
9:41 AM
bon appétit
 
Mine is still at least 15 minutes away....
 
I've accepted an answer on my financial question that I seemed most fitting but I quite honestly do not have the energy to construct my question differently and comment everywhere so I think I'm leaving it at this. I also didn't expect partnership/marriage in The Netherlands to apparently be so different from the US and other places, it seems to confuse people hugely and throw a lot of people off.
A lot of people keep saying 'Marriage is the solution as you'll share everything' but marriage with 'shared goods' is, at least in my social circle, very uncommon. I don't know of any family/friends/coworkers who did it.
 
@JaneDoe1337 don't let internet strangers dictate your life. If they failed to answer your question, ignore them if you don't find time for a comment. We are helping you on that front. maybe you realized i added a comment about not answering the question on many of the answers.
 
@JaneDoe1337 You don't have to accept an answer if none of them actually worked for you ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell i think the one that was accepted is very nice and underrated
 
9:51 AM
@Cashbee Just saying ;) I somehow like to imagine every accepted answer being something that actually works ;-)
 
@Tinkeringbell the perils of subjective questions is....
that there may be no right answer...
or 2 contradictory right ones
 
@JourneymanGeek which is why IPS does have a policy of allowing some chatty comments, like those of an OP giving feedback on what worked/did not work and why...
 
right is in the eye of the beholder anyways
interpersonal skills are a very imprecise science and right for one doesn't necessarily translate
 
@Cashbee I did, hanks!
 
10:16 AM
I have a question about answers vs comments, is this a good place to ask it?
I'm quite new to this site.
 
@Akrilla Yes, you can ask here. It's usual
 
@Akrilla Sure!
 
(also comments are different/better here XD)
 
Although before anything, this is worth reading:
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Q: Please don't write answers in comments

Arwen UndómielI've been noticing a trend lately of people writing answers in the comment section. What does this mean? When you write an attempt to solve the OPs question - whether it's a fully fleshed out idea or not - and dump it in the comment box. This is not good. Answers in comments are detrimental to ...

 
Ah great thanks - I understand comments are for asking for clarification etc on a question or answer, but what if I want to give a small bit of advice but it's not high quality enough to be a full answer?
Yeah, I've read that, it's where I came from
 
10:20 AM
@Akrilla that's usually not a great use of comments anywhere
People do do it, sure, and its an ingrained bad habit
but if its any use at all, it should be polished into an answer IMO
 
10:32 AM
@JaneDoe1337 I hope you and your SO get things sorted out, it sounded like there's a lot going on. If you need a stranger's opinion on something, I am a man with many opinions, most of which I can even explain to a reasonable degree, and I am always at your service
or I will be, after I've had my lunch :D
 
10:59 AM
@Cronax I already finished mine. Back to being bored..
 

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