Raiders of the Lost Downboat

Eliah Kagan

12:00 AM

no longer needed

no longer needed (see OP's comments)

several comments here are no longer needed

and all comments here

These repeated "Status please..." comments, appearing multiple times on the same posts, are not great.

(I don't think anything should be done but clean them up though.)

no longer needed (see OP's comments on answer)

the "status please" comments on this question are no longer needed

and here

no longer needed, see comments on answer

no longer needed

the "status please" comments on this other question are no longer needed

this and that are no longer needed

the "status please" comments on this question are no longer needed

and here

and here (there are three)

this, this, and that are no longer needed

no longer needed

To avoid overburdening moderators in the event that this intersects with other sources of increased flagging, I'm actually not flagging (nor posting here) all of them, only the ones that are especially clearly noise.

this and that are no longer needed

the "status please" comments on this question are no longer needed

and here

no longer needed

all comments currently on this question are no longer needed

the "status please" comments on this answer are no longer needed

no longer needed

possibly the comments on this question should be cleaned up, I'm not sure

no longer needed

no longer needed, no longer needed

the three(!) "status please" comments on this question are no longer needed

and the two on this answer

and the two here

no longer needed - not part of any above pattern (different author, different everything). It's effectively an "accept rate" comment in all but name, suggesting that the OP should accept an answer to improve the chances that future questions will get answers.

Eliah Kagan

12:44 AM

all comments on this question are no longer needed

no longer needed

Eliah Kagan

1:57 AM

@EliahKagan My flags have all been handled.

Zanna

Thanks for flagging

Eliah Kagan

No problem.

Natty

4:34 AM

Rebooted at 2020-07-03T04:34:57.223739Z

SmokeDetector

4:50 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): How to enable wireless on Ubuntu Server 20.04 via CLI? by hamza sheraz on askubuntu.com

Natty

[ Natty | Sentinel ] networking How to enable wireless on Ubuntu Server 20.04 via CLI? By: hamza sheraz 5.0;

karel

5:25 AM

not a dupe

Zanna

@Natty welcome back

Natty

6:03 AM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] package-management How to install Viber on Ubuntu 18.04? By: user1101681 4.5;

Zanna

cross posted on serverfault

not doing anything for now

should we comment?

is using last not a reasonable idea here?

seems like a useful suggestion to me

SmokeDetector

6:47 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url-only title, bad ip for hostname in title, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in title, potentially bad ns for domain in title, +2 more (400): dragonsdenketo.com/knightwood-male-enhancement/ by bnqwasdhmkop on askubuntu.com

SmokeDetector

7:04 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url-only title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at beginning of body, +8 more (635): supplementsnetwork.org/genbrain/ by patrici atedesch on askubuntu.com

SmokeDetector

7:30 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at beginning of answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (35): Cannot install libgles2-mesa-dev by john on askubuntu.com

Natty

[ Natty | Sentinel ] apt Cannot install libgles2-mesa-dev By: john 5.0;

karel

OT Kali

Natty

[ Natty | Sentinel ] command-line Chaning command when running bash script By: marosg 4.5;

karel

7:47 AM

not dupe

vote to leave open, vote to leave open

Eliah Kagan

8:29 AM

@Natty tp

@karel It's out of the queue.

@Natty tp

@Zanna Doesn't that just list some users? Anyway, I don't see why it was deleted, at least without a comment. It was an answer.

@Natty tp

karel

@EliahKagan You're right, it should be undeleted so I voted to undelete it.

Eliah Kagan

@Natty tp - borderline, but it seems mostly to be a request for information

karel

@Zanna I voted to undelete it.

Eliah Kagan

You were able to cast an undelete vote on that post?

(It was deleted by a moderator. In most cases, the system doesn't allow non-moderators to cast undelete votes on such a post, and this particular post does not show any undelete votes.)

karel

8:45 AM

I did undelete vote it, but when I checked it again to see if my undelete vote was posted I got the same message that the system doesn't allow non-moderators to cast undelete votes on such a post.

Zanna

@EliahKagan it shows when the system shut down or booted and if it crashed

Eliah Kagan

Oh.

The first line.

wtmp begins Wed Jul  1 00:09:18 2020

Right, that should be undeleted.

So if there it went down due to a kernel panic, that's shown there?

Kulfy

Currently there are 43 questions which have "[SOLVED]" in their title. Some of them have no answer. They are worth looking. I have rolled back 2-3 such edits who had just "solved" and no answer in question body.

Zanna

it also shows "run level changes" although I don't know about run levels

Eliah Kagan

Should I raise a custom flag on the post so that the reason for undeletion is documented? Or no need?

Zanna

8:50 AM

@EliahKagan from my output, it looks like it, because I see a bunch of crashes around the time I had a kernel problem, but I can't be sure

@EliahKagan it's always better if there's a flag I think. There were two flags on that post - one as low quality and later another one as NAA. The second one made me think maybe I'm missing something about this post. But seems to me the deletion was just wrong.

Kulfy

Sorry to interrupt, I need an upvote on this CW answer to mark the question as answered.

Eliah Kagan

@Zanna Flag raised.

No hurry to undelete, since the flag will remain in the mod queue until handled. (I'd guess there's no reason to wait either, though.)

Zanna

thanks for the nice flag :)

going to make lunch

Eliah Kagan

@Kulfy Read and voted. Thanks!

@Zanna No problem. And I see the flag has been handled!

Also, the pun was unintended.

@Kulfy I wonder if sometimes people use solved without the [ ] punctuation and if it would make sense to broaden the search to that.

Kulfy

9:09 AM

@EliahKagan Thanks :)

@EliahKagan In my experience people generally use it with punctuations. But yes they may have used them without that also.

Eliah Kagan

@Kulfy No problem. Btw interruptions are pretty much always good here because it means there's more stuff getting talked about, worked on, and improved!

@Kulfy I'll search. I shoud've just done that. Logging in to SEDE is taking longer than usual though. Still easier than doing CAPTCHAs.

Kulfy

I have modified query a little bit and added "and answercount=0". This returned 15 rows.

@EliahKagan Indeed. I got captcha even at AU when I was posting that CW answer.

Eliah Kagan

Hmm. For that answer? That's odd.

Kulfy

Yeah. for that answer. Maybe because rolling back edits and posting answer was done within 2 mins or so.

Eliah Kagan

There are some others, at least with - solved and (solved). But also lot of false positives. data.stackexchange.com/askubuntu/query/1258344/test-query

Is there a way to match a word boundary (or similar) with LIKE expressions?

Some of the false positives involve occurrences of solved that appear in other words.

Kulfy

9:13 AM

I avoided use of "like '%solved%'" since it would return title with "resolved" as well

I used "'%\[solved]%' ESCAPE '\'" instead.

@EliahKagan Use whitespaces or punctuations?

Zanna

I enjoy all puns hahaha

@Kulfy thanks for posting! +1

Kulfy

Got another revival badge :D

(unrelated) Another CW answer posted

Eliah Kagan

9:32 AM

Voted.

Kulfy

Thanks.

seems dupe. I posted a CW answer too referring thread from Ubuntu forums linked by OP in comments.

Zanna

10:42 AM

@Kulfy I don't recommend removing the answer from the question if you aren't going to immediately post the answer as an answer. Like here

I was doing the same thing at one point in the past, and some people told me not to do that, because even if the answer is in the question, at least it is there for people to see

no-repro? Or better to keep it?

This question is about an issue I had.

karel

dupe

Natty

11:13 AM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] command-line Copy file to External Hard Disk By: Tejesh Teju 3.5;

karel

11:26 AM

dupe

Eliah Kagan

@Zanna Another reason not to edit answers out of questions without posting them is that new users often don't know how to use the revision history, or don't know how to do so efficiently. @Kulfy

Zanna

11:55 AM

true, they may not be able to find it, or remember what they did

Eliah Kagan

This was posted in SEBotics but not here:

in SEBotics, 2 mins ago, by Natty

[ Natty | Sentinel ] [tag:package-management] Link to Post BodyLength: 652 Rep: 1 Ends with ?; Low Length; No Code Block; Low Rep; Unregistered User; Body Starts With: Similar problem here, Lubuntu version 18.04 that hasn't been re-installed in 2-3 years. But the odd thing for me is that it does not always start. It justled starts somehow, most

(and is NAA)

user3140225

12:28 PM

@Zanna I'd say no-repro

Zanna

thanks :)

Kulfy

12:52 PM

@EliahKagan I agree with you and @Zanna as well. Today I fixed ~7-8 posts out of which I rolled back 3 edits with a a comment. Out of those three, the owner of the question which Zanna mentioned visited Stack Overflow two days ago, one was edited today and the last one's OP also visited couple of days ago.

So, I rolled back and commented on those posts whose OP was active some hours/days ago.

Kulfy

1:05 PM

(unrelated to above) false claims

Zanna

1:21 PM

@Kulfy yes, but, even if OP is active and you want to give them a chance to post the answer themselves, which is nice etiquette, though not necessary, you can just post the comment, then make the edit if needed after they reply and/or post an answer

removing the answer from the question in the first instance, I think, is not a good idea

the better state for the post to be left in, for a short or long period of time, is with the answer still visible

2

Kulfy

Makes sense. Should I roll back the roll back I made? Or wait for 3-4 days?

Zanna

2:05 PM

@Kulfy I would roll it back

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ns for domain in body (1): Install Ubuntu and dock DELL D6000 on Dell New Inspiron 15 5593 : a "fabulous" adventure ✏️ by mightaskalot on askubuntu.com

Natty

2:25 PM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] bittorrent Having issues with torrents on Ubuntu 20.04 By: JJB 4.0;

Eliah Kagan

@Natty ne

Natty

3:55 PM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] suspend Suspend works on 20.04 live image, but not on the actual installation By: ubuntufriend 3.5;

Zanna

4:20 PM

@Natty tp

Eliah Kagan

5:14 PM

@Natty tp

Zanna

I'm sure this answer was accepted but its timeline has no sign of it, or am I missing it?

strange

oh it is there

it just looks different from how it used to

it appears as a "vote"

I had not considered accepts to be votes

Eliah Kagan

It appears normally for me.

Zanna

5:30 PM

hmm

I mean, that is what accepts look like in the timeline these days, but I think they used to look different before the timeline got redesigned?

Eliah Kagan

Oh, sorry, it does say vote for me too.

Are there guidelines about how many comments there should be before a moderator considers moving them to chat? I think all the comments on this question should be moved to chat, but perhaps it's too few. The comments qualify as no longer needed and could simply be removed, but it seems people don't want that. Also, would the chat room just be deleted due to inactivity after a couple weeks? Normally this happens to rooms with fewer than 15 messages.

Zanna

the reason I looked at that, was that the accept is no longer visible on the page, so I wondered if that happened when the question got deleted (and should that be considered a bug?), or if the answer got unaccepted before that

Eliah Kagan

@EliahKagan In my experience, people unfamiliar with Stack Exchange sites don't notice the difference between comments and answers, and focus on what appears higher on a page before focusing on anything lower.

guntbert

@Zanna belated congrats ♦ 👍

Zanna

@guntbert thanks! :D

guntbert

5:34 PM

You got finally lured into spending still more time on the site :-))

Zanna

very true

@EliahKagan I was looking at those comments and wondering about them

earlier

nobody has told me how many comments should be moved to chat

Community ♦ flags posts with >20 comments in the last 7 days

earlier I decided to do nothing about the comments for now, because the question is new and OP hasn't responded to anything for a while, and the current text of the question directly responds to the first comment, and would be confusing without the comment existing in some form

so I thought I'd try to check back on that post in a day or two

to see if there was any way to make the situation better

@EliahKagan nothing good has happened there yet :(

@guntbert last night I woke up about 3am (due to mosquitoes) and wondered if I should check if there were any flags. I made myself dismiss that idea and go to sleep. Woke up properly later and turns out some folks had been on a comment flagging spree.

My consciousness has merged with AU

3

Zanna

6:10 PM

@EliahKagan I think that's true

If you were to flag the post and suggest moving the comments to chat, that would probably happen. I am going to sleep (or to a little hell of sleepy itchiness, depending on the mosquitoes' appetites) though

Also, if you think of anything you might ask sudodus to do that would improve things, I know that person to be exceptionally helpful

That conditional seems broken but I'm too lazy to fix it

Eliah Kagan

6:39 PM

@Zanna I've done that. I plan to wait for a reply before raising a flag to ask that comments be moved to chat.

Eliah Kagan

6:56 PM

Per this reply and the reasons in my comment that preceded it, I've custom flagged the post to request that all its comments be moved to chat.

Natty

7:08 PM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] tablet Only half of Wacom Intuos tablet area maps to entire screen horizontally By: TehWan 4.0;

Eliah Kagan

@Natty fp - even without the link, it's an answer

Natty

8:46 PM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] keyboard How to bind middle mouse click to the r key By: James Daniels 4.0;

Eliah Kagan

9:39 PM

@Natty tp

Eliah Kagan

10:34 PM

not off-topic

Eliah Kagan

11:52 PM

OT Windows or unclear

Ravexina

@EliahKagan I assume it's OT

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