Raiders of the Lost Downboat

1:22 AM

Hmm yeah, seems like there should be a better answer for that

3:31 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at beginning of body (40): What are the meaning of the abbreviations DNE, needs,needs-triage and so on? by xiaobai on askubuntu.com

Sasuke Uchiha

4:14 AM

askubuntu.com/questions/1254649/… has to be dupe but can't find the target.

Eliah Kagan

I commented with a possible target. I'm not sure it's the best one we have for that though.

Sasuke Uchiha

4:35 AM

@EliahKagan Me neither. For me it seems that he did a Windows update and it made windows 1st in boot order

I posted an answer

Eliah Kagan

Installing updates in Windows, especially service packs (before Windows 10) or new versions of Windows 10, has been known sometimes to overwrite the Ubuntu boot loader. This is straightforward with BIOS systems that use an "msdos" partition table, since what's happening is that the MBR is overwritten so GRUB no longer runs when the machine boots.

I'm not sure the target I proposed is the best one we have for UEFI systems with GPT disks, though. But some of the techniques there, including Boot-Repair, should still work.

Sasuke Uchiha

We'll see when the OP responds (assuming he will of cause)

Eliah Kagan

unclear

OT Pop!_OS

unclear

Zanna

5:51 AM

hmm why did we close this question? The answers saying "I was doing something similar..." suggest it was... not an unreproducible problem (everyone voted for the same reason)

@EliahKagan I agree, but given the answer, I wonder if closing as unclear might confuse the OP. 2 votes for unclear, and 2 for no repro. Maybe no-repro is also correct.

Eliah Kagan

I think either is fine.

@Zanna I think it's a case of no-repro being overused. I had voted to leave it open in the CV queue, and I've since voted to reopen it. The reopen queue might take care of it, or solicit comments to justify the closure.

Zanna

6:34 AM

@EliahKagan I hope so :)

Dupe of something? I'm sure it is answerable, if not

Eliah Kagan

My guess is that any targets we'd have for it would be overly general.

It's not unclear.

Seems like something might've recently gotten heated in the comments, though. I'm not sure. (At least one comment seems to have been removed, so I don't know.) I'm not saying this to suggest any mod action is needed, just to clarify that I might not know what everyone is thinking.

Zanna

looks like the 4th or 5th case of me totally screwing something up today

Eliah Kagan

What?

Is this related to comments?

Zanna

6:50 AM

the comments... I hope guiverc is writing another one

Eliah Kagan

Idk what happened, but I'm pretty sure non-self-removed comments are undeletable by moderators.

But... from the comments I've read most recently, it seems like some previous comment may have been meant as an answer.

Zanna

yes... people are deleting their own comments, I am deleting comments, everyone is totally confused

@EliahKagan hoping so :)

looks like, if a person commented on a post, but deleted their comments, you can't ping them

Eliah Kagan

Yes.

Unless they're the post owner or have edited the post.

They could be pinged in chat if it's warranted. Not sure it would be in this case.

Zanna

7:30 AM

@EliahKagan I only want to invite them to post an answer

first person comments asking what a PR is, but also somewhat answering the question
second person posts a comment explaining what a PR is, but puts it in a way OP finds insulting
OP flags the second comment
OP posts a comment complaining that someone is being unhelpful
I delete the second and third comments
fourth person comments replying to the third (but removed while they were typing!) comment.
first person posts another comment saying how their first comment answered the question
first person deletes both their comments

Sasuke Uchiha

7:44 AM

That is just messed up

Zanna

by me, yes...

Sasuke Uchiha

Being a mod isn't a walk in the park I guess

Zanna

:) I suppose I'll improve

Natty

[ Natty | Sentinel ] networking saned.service Loaded: masked (/dev/null; bad) Active: inactive (dead) Needed for shared Scanner By: user1100233 6.0;

Kulfy

@Natty tp

jokerdino

7:54 AM

@SasukeUchiha sorry, nobody is walking in the park due to coronavirus lockdown

Eliah Kagan

@Natty tp

Sasuke Uchiha

@jokerdino 😅

Eliah Kagan

There may be some way to improve the situation on that question. I'm not sure.

Kulfy

@Zanna My mistake. I started the closure. Sorry. Voted to reopen.

Zanna

no problem at all! and thanks

Eliah Kagan

8:11 AM

(not unclear)

I'm not sure what the problem was, but code fences are fully and officially supported here.

jokerdino

Coffee?

Eliah Kagan

?

Oh.

:)

Well, there was some problem with the post.

jokerdino

true, we are moving away from that Stack Exchange flavour markdown.

Eliah Kagan

Wait, maybe there wasn't.

Zanna

I guess we need coffee flavor markdown

Eliah Kagan

8:23 AM

Is that for formatting blocks of CoffeeScript code?

Zanna

this reminds me I intended to bake cookies

disappears

Eliah Kagan

I'm trying to figure out if there was an actual problem with the code before the edit. If there was, then that seems like a bug that should be reported on Meta Stack Exchange, though maybe I'm missing something and the OP had a syntax error. Also, is that question clear? It was getting unclear votes before; I found it in the CV queue.

jokerdino

OP improved the edit after someone suggested an edit I think

Zanna

the question is interesting

what is the 0:?

Eliah Kagan

It's a fake line number, used where no line number applies.

ek@Kip:~$ file /sbin/nonexistent
/sbin/nonexistent: cannot open `/sbin/nonexistent' (No such file or directory)
ek@Kip:~$ sh /sbin/nonexistent
sh: 0: Can't open /sbin/nonexistent

Zanna

8:30 AM

muru and steeldriver are both there. Lucky OP

jokerdino

@EliahKagan I am very confused at rev 6. There is no ending ` at all :/

Eliah Kagan

Yeah.

It should have a closing ````, since it opens with ```` (though it would be better to open and close with ```).

People leave out the closing fences all the time for code blocks at the end of their posts. I've never seen a rendering problem from it, though I fix it when I see it.

Oh, right. That middle one is meant to close one code block.

Then

> The output of strace sh bbmap/bbduk.sh is:

is meant not as code.

And then the rest is meant as a separate code block.

So I was sort of right when I said it was "unmatched opening and closing fences, causing more text to be placed in the code block than was intended." Sort of.

Zanna

8:47 AM

:54792375 `````````````````````````

@EliahKagan so 4 backticks is still fine?

Eliah Kagan

Posts I've seen with ```` render correctly, yes.

Zanna

hmm so 3 is just the minimum

jokerdino

one is minimum

Eliah Kagan

It's only a code fence if there are at least three.

jokerdino

Oh I see

Eliah Kagan

8:53 AM

You can write `some code`, but that's not a code fence, and it won't become one even if newlines are added inside the backticks. Same deal with ``some code``. ```some code```, however, is another story.

jokerdino

```
```

Zanna

a more readable story

maybe @EliahKagan could give a short workshop on how to type backticks in chat XD

Eliah Kagan

@Zanna Or, if you mean, is ``` valid CommonMark for a code fence? Also yes.

In chat, inner backticks can be escaped with backslashes.

@Zanna Like for the 10 year celebration?

It's literal backslashes that I'm not sure about how to write. :)

Yeah, I don't know how to write:

\`

Zanna

@EliahKagan yes :) but I am sure you will have some better ideas

@EliahKagan I need to read this whole document O.O

jokerdino

@Zanna I would be attending it for sure by the looks of it.

Kulfy

9:01 AM

TIL ~~~ behaves same as ``` in code formatting

See this suggested edit for example.

jokerdino

that seems like reddit style markdown

Maybe reddit is using the openmark spec

Kulfy

Hmm maybe. Should these formatting be changed to ```?

Zanna

@Kulfy the tilde syntax is supported

maybe that's not the best reference. But it's in there as well

Kulfy

I see. I never realised tildes are also supported.

Zanna

I would have thought it's more obscure, but Stack Exchange is the only place I use markdown (unless Telegram counts haha) so I don't really know

Eliah Kagan

9:14 AM

@EliahKagan I meant ````, of course.

Kulfy

How many rejected edits does it take to get a edit ban?

Eliah Kagan

@Kulfy I'm not sure if this is still current or not.

karel

OT 12.04

Kulfy

9:30 AM

I think the user who suggested this edit is on the verge of getting banned.

jokerdino

been there, done that

Natty

[ Natty | Sentinel ] 18.04 ubuntu packages installation is terribly slow By: HyperCreeck 4.0;

Kulfy

As of now they have 30 edits rejected and 39 approved. Interestingly, they only have 6 posts edited so far. 60 revisions in 6 posts.

@jokerdino Are they banned?

jokerdino

they are back

Kulfy

Oh they were banned in the past. Right?

@Zanna Feel free to ping me if I make mistakes in voting questions wrongly (cc @EliahKagan @jokerdino)

@Kulfy The stats of that user on Super User is even worse

Zanna

9:47 AM

haha likewise please ping me about all my mistakes

@Kulfy seems like there are way more posts revised

maybe tag only edits don't count

hmm

Kulfy

Is "Kubuntu server" even a thing? AFAIK there's only Ubuntu server without DE. Kubuntu is called as such because of KDE.

karel

OT 19.04

Kulfy

74

A: What kind of edits contribute to the editor badges?

What is included community-wiki posts tag wikis and excerpts What is NOT included (only applies to Strunk & White and Copy Editor) edits to your own posts edits to tags To count for S&W/Copy Editor, the edit must cover the title, the body or both.

Natty

10:30 AM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] dpkg Installing CUDA 11 in Ubuntu 20.04 with Nvida GTX 1060 By: サルバドル 3.5;

Natty

10:44 AM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] bash How to exit a never ending process without killing the process By: user3382387 4.0;

Natty

11:13 AM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] boot How to boot Ubuntu from USB on Raspberry pi 4 By: robcee 3.5;

Kulfy

11:23 AM

Sweden's server is down.

dupe

Eliah Kagan

11:42 AM

@Natty tp

@Natty ne

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer (1): Libpng12 needed for 17.10 by Michael Azubuike on askubuntu.com

Eliah Kagan

not too broad, though don't we have something for it?

@Natty report askubuntu.com/a/1254752/22949

Natty

[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; Low Rep; Unregistered User; 3.0;

Eliah Kagan

^^ The version Natty saw (i.e., the version that existed when I ran that command, and that can be viewed in Sentinel) didn't have the commands at the end, so it was a link-only answer. It was edited in the 5-minute window.

This question was edited, all three comments are no longer needed.

(I'm not sure it's clear enough to be reopened yet, but the comments aren't actually soliciting information beyond what's been provided.)

Zanna

11:59 AM

8

A: Posts edited count on profile is way less than my revsions count?

Under /revisions you see every entry of PostHistory table that you contributed: that is, every action that resulted in a new version of some post. But the count of edits (used for issuing badges and for the profile display) does not include retags or edits to own questions; it also counts mul...

Natty

[ Natty | Sentinel ] drivers Keyboard and mouse not working on Ubuntu 18.04.4 after installing CUDA 10.0 with Autoware 1.13.0 By: Stephen Lu 3.5;

Kulfy

12:14 PM

@Zanna The question title has spelling mistake :P

Zanna

I know - but can't suggest edits to meta

Eliah Kagan

Not to questions and answers.

Zanna

only tag wikis

Natty

1:16 PM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] 20.04 Booting Ubuntu 20.04 from USB on a Raspberry Pi 4 with new bootloader By: jarmo 5.5;

Natty

1:32 PM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] xorg Lenovo Touchpad issue 20.04 By: Jim 3.5;

[ Natty | Sentinel ] grub2 Workaround to Install Ubuntu 20.04 with Intel RST systems By: GoFo 4.0;

Kulfy

1:51 PM

@Natty tp

karel

2:05 PM

OT 19.04

Kulfy

not POB, I think.

karel

dupe or OT (19.04)

Kulfy

2:22 PM

OT-norepro. Since I'm the owner of the question, should I delete it?

Zanna

Only if you want to

Kulfy

I'm not sure if it's worth keeping.

Zanna

closed it

similar thing happened to me but I didn't delete

Anwar's comments seemed useful

Kulfy

My question was specific to 20.04, but I wonder if the same behaviour still persists on 18.04 since that was present when question was posted as per DK Bose's comment

I assume GNOME 3.36.2 fixed this.

Kulfy

3:10 PM

seems unclear? question;s description doesn't match with the title

deletable?

Ravexina

@Kulfy opinion-based

Natty

[ Natty | Sentinel ] tv-tuner Prof 7500 DVB-S2 By: Jerzy 6.0;

Kulfy

POB, unclear and too-broad, all three apply IMO.

@Natty tp

deletable?

Natty

3:38 PM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] networking Connecting Sun Ray 2 to ubuntu By: Enrico 5.0;

Zanna

3:48 PM

@Kulfy I don't think we'd miss it

@Kulfy probably, but the worst answer there seems to be this one

the only positive scored answer there that, like the one you linked to, suggests installing Chromium as an alternative, is not very clear at all...

but I don't know how to edit it

Kulfy

I have voted to close as dupe since it's unclear if OP ran apt install google-chrome-stable and some errors. As it currently stands it seems they only ran apt-cache show google-chrome-stable whose output looks fine.

Natty

[ Natty | Sentinel ] boot Grub: can't use arrow keys to navigate (works in Bios) By: sorbeegunner 5.5;

Kulfy

The top answer is also about installing on a clean system.

@Natty tp

dupe The answer on target covers servers too.

false claims

does it looks like an answer?

seems dupe

seems deletable

ill advice

seems dupe

answer not applicable to Ubuntu See this comment

Does it look like an answer?

seems wrong answer. This returns kernel details not distro details

Do we need kubuntu-netbook? It has 16 questions and no guidance usage so far.

seems OT-EOL. See Thomas' answer

unclear answer

unclear or dupe

ill advice/advice without evidences

What?

seems OT-repro OP reinstalled the system

dupe

seems deletable

@Zanna (pinging only mods since only they can edit duplicates list here because of tags used) The issue mentioned in this question can be because of archive server going down as we saw couple of days ago. The target's answer doesn't address this thing. So, IMO the dupe list must this dupe target. Moreover, there was no evidence that OP was using some proxy or had issues with IPv6 (cc @jokerdino @Ravexina)

Feel free to share your opinions too.

Ravexina

5:17 PM

IMO, While this answer looks more helpful, I can't find anything in the question indicating that servers are down. I think the real problem here is IPv6.

-> Cannot initiate the connection, That's what I think. I might be wrong.

Kulfy

Well "Cannot initiate connection" appears on both 🤷‍♂️ I mean this error pops up while IPv6 issues and when the server is down

Ravexina

Seems right, but I'm not really sure about it... I have to look it up.

Kulfy

No problem. Take your time.

Zanna

5:41 PM

since they were having trouble browsing the internet too, it seems it can't be just that the apt server was down?

Ravexina

Okay, I checked the source code. seems it returns the same error in different situations.

Zanna

unfortunately we can't tell which part of the accepted answer helped haha

Ravexina

So seems we can't really tell.

And just as a note: At this exact moment I'm able to use 'http://br.archive.ubuntu.com' on IPv4 but not on IPv6.

Which indicates that there is a problem on my side.

Zanna

I am inclined to think that question doesn't need an extra dupe target as the answer covers the server-is-down thing which seems less likely (since they were having trouble browsing too), whereas the target covers the IPv6 issue better than the answer which just links to that nice Q&A on U&L about it

Kulfy

@Zanna Indeed. But as it currently stands, the title is more likely to appear in the top search results and people may think that is because of IPv6 but in reality the issue is with server. Just saying.

Zanna

5:51 PM

so people will see the answer, I think

Kulfy

(Uggh.. Mobile chat is so messy :/)

@Zanna Hmm...

Zanna

indeed

Kulfy

Maybe I was overthinking

Zanna

we can just add it anyway

it won't do any harm

Kulfy

Uggh I'm done with mobile chat :|

@Zanna Yeah. Thanks

Zanna

5:55 PM

the zero score IPv6 only answer has a decent amount of positive feedback

I mean unregistered/low-rep feedback

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ns for domain in answer (1): Ubuntu 20.04 LTS does not mount NFS when booting PXE by danialk on askubuntu.com

Zanna

@SmokeDetector looks ok to me

@Kulfy done

@Kulfy better than underthinking :)

Kulfy

6:09 PM

Thanks and thanks for your input (cc @Ravexina)

Natty

[ Natty | Sentinel ] nautilus How to make nautilus the default file manager in LXDE By: Belugf 3.5;

Kulfy

@Natty fp

Natty

@Kulfy The NAA Value is 3.5. The explanation for the filters is:

1.5 - Low Length
0.5 - One Line only
1.0 - Low Rep
0.5 - Unregistered User

SmokeDetector

6:27 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at beginning of answer (35): How to insert an emoji into a text in Ubuntu 18.04 and later? by kissu on askubuntu.com

pomsky

6:51 PM

dupe

Sigh... looking for the elusive 5th vote once again for the ones below:

dupe

Natty

[ Natty | Sentinel ] 18.04 ubuntu 18.04 settings not opening By: Sivakabil Ganesan 4.0;

Ravexina

@pomsky The last six are done.

pomsky

@Ravexina thanks :)

Ravexina

7:06 PM

@pomsky 👍

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ip for hostname in body, potentially bad keyword in body (2): How can I upgrade from 18.10 to current 20.04 version of ubuntu? by Principle on askubuntu.com

pomsky

Are there any deleted comment(s) below this question? Otherwise this comment accusing another user of being rude to a new user (just by mentioning it's off-topic here for being EoL) doesn't quite make sense to me.

^^ Ahem... mods (cc @Ravexina @Zanna @jokerdino)

Natty

7:29 PM

[ Natty | Sentinel ] wireless modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'rtl8723be': Exec format error [wifi] By: rodrigo.munozg 4.5;

jokerdino

@pomsky I see no other deleted comment from Sasuke there.

pomsky

@jokerdino Strange! Then it's probably better to remove the unhelpful comments.

(unrelated to above) no-repro as per OP's self-answer

dupe

no-repro as per OP's self-answer

dupe, also the question from my second comment.

dupe, this as a separate question is no longer needed. The canonical target question now contains new and updated answers covering this issue (change of GUI option in a new release).

dupe

Kulfy

7:44 PM

dupe/unclear it's unclear if OP ran apt install google-chrome-stable and got some errors. As it currently stands it seems they only ran apt-cache show google-chrome-stable whose output looks fine.

Eliah Kagan

7:56 PM

@Natty ne

@Natty fp

@Zanna That seems like an answer, too, but it was deleted.

@Kulfy That could work. For example, most people have most of their extensions disabled in incognito / private browsing mode. If an extension causes the problem for some people, which seems fairly likely to me, then using incognito mode would usually make it work, even though it might not be an ideal solution. Likewise, if browser state--cookies, cache, and local storage--are involved, using incognito mode would make it work.

That answer has one downvote and three delete votes, but it's recommending an action intended to solve the problem, so the delete votes are based on the idea that it's so low quality that it merits deletion. I see this a lot: people are more willing to use delete votes to do what downvotes are for, than to cast downvotes. This is bad even when the delete votes are based on a correct judgment of a post. It's especially bad here. I've voted to undelete the answer.

@Natty tp

@Natty fp though it is not a very good answer (hopefully they'll expand it).

@Natty ne

@Natty fp

Kulfy

8:23 PM

@EliahKagan Hmm. makes sense.

@Zanna I just realised that yesterday you deleted the questions of destroyed users which were undeleted couple of days ago. I'm really sorry for mixing up things and increasing your workload.

pomsky

8:38 PM

must be a dupe of some canonical question, but I accidentally VTC'd as OT - EoL :( Reluctant to retract as it seems VTC's are hard to come by nowadays.

dupe

deletable

karel

9:03 PM

@pomsky Possible duplicate of Can I skip over releases when upgrading?

SmokeDetector

9:19 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad ns for domain in body (1): How to use displaylink adapter with ubuntu 18.4.4 by Beans On Toast on askubuntu.com

pomsky

@karel thanks :)

pomsky

9:36 PM

I think it's better to leave this open

has a good answer specific to the question

also the target is not completely applicable

karel

9:49 PM

@pomsky VTLO One more vote to leave open is needed to kick this question out of the CV review queue.

Eliah Kagan

11:05 PM