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@Natty tp
I've rejected this edit with the custom message:
> /bin/sh in Ubuntu is not bash: wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh
It needs at least one more review. I'm not sure that answer should be considered to improve the post even if it didn't have that error.
 
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1:16 AM
@EliahKagan the original ln is the wrong way round it seems
 
Oh.
Good call.
And the edit does fix that, though it doesn't mention that in the summary and surrounds the fix with material some of which is wrong and other of which is unnecessary.
 
Yes :/
 
Still, though, this fix, assuming it is correct, would justify an approval with an Edit review.
Is the command wrong?
Or is the location to create the file wrong?
 
I'll take a look at the question
 
Assuming it's the ln command that's wrong, I suggest approving it with an Edit review.
(I could edit the post from the revision history, but I can't redo my review. Even under these circumstances I think the editor should get credit and +2 rep for the edit if it's turned a post that doesn't actually work when followed as written into one that does actually work and does the thing the post author intended. If it doesn't, then there's also no need to edit from the revision history since the edit could then just be rejected.)
 
1:26 AM
The second link in the answer is dead, the first part about naming is at least confusing, and I'm sceptical that this method is still valid. But the syntax of the command at least is fixed by the edit
But, the edit destroys the whole reason for this answer to exist I think
Because its difference from the other answers is the first part of the name
Of the file
The author has tried to explain that, but it's not clear without the context from the other answers
I'm going to reject it for that reason
Done. I guess the answer still needs editing :/
 
It has a comment saying it worked. That's interesting.
 
I know
I imagine people who found it helpful knew how to fix the command, or figured it out from the error message
 
I guess so. I'd imagine that regarding upvoters. But if one is already commenting, why not mention having to fix the command?
 
1:42 AM
Oh
The commenter suggested the edit
 
Oh.
So does that mean the edit should be re-reviewed or not?
I believe you have this power, but I do not know if you should use it or not in this case.
 
I think the edit was destructive. Do you see what I mean about the naming scheme?
The answer is primarily saying, in 14.10, the name has to start with K04
Instead of K99, as the other answers have
 
But isn't the script path in that answer /etc/rc6.d/K04scriptName both before and after the edit?
 
They changed the base name to scriptname
Oh
 
I don't follow. The paths are the same in both versions.
The path intended as a symlink target always had no prefix.
 
1:52 AM
You are right
facepalm
Ok...
 
I think you can re-review it.
 
if so, I can't figure out how
cries
seems the system expects me to know what I'm doing
 
Maybe I'm just wrong to think moderators can override reject reviews.
Since, as you mentioned, the editor is also the commenter, this means the editor is pingable even though not an author of any revision on the post so far.
 
yes I was thinking to comment
 
I think that's a good idea.
 
2:00 AM
@EliahKagan you are not wrong... I found another rejected one and I have a button to approve it
just not that one
 
Interesting.
I guess it's just that no one can review the same suggested edit twice.
 
so I can just find another mod to fix it
 
I would guess so.
 
my house is full of mosquitoes suddenly
 
That's not great.
 
2:01 AM
can't actually do anything
 
About the mosquitoes? Or about anything, because of the distraction of the mosquitoes?
 
the latter
 
Is there at least something you can do about the mosquitoes then?
I can comment on the post if you want. It will likely be more confusing than if you were to comment. But less confusing than no action.
 
I have commented on the post
killed some mosquitoes, but I don't understand why they are here. This does not usually happen
 
@Zanna Thanks.
 
2:09 AM
sorry for messing it up
 
 
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OT Windows 10
 
8:00 AM
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@Natty tp
 
@Natty tp
@Kulfy Thanks for the edit ;)
Well I just saw your message in general room :)
 
:D
 
8:37 AM
OT Zorin
 
8:54 AM
@Natty tp
 
@Natty tp
 
Custom close reasons currently suffer from this problem, which makes me think they should not be used in any circumstances until it's fixed
 
what's the problem again?
> Closed. This question is off-topic. It is not currently accepting answers.
 
oh actually it's a worse problem
in that it doesn't show any details to anyone
 
9:05 AM
This part of the closed question post notice can be customised for each of the custom reasons. Perhaps, we can try something there. However, doing that has the potential of resetting the stats collected thus far.
 
it doesn't show why it was off topic
did it not use to show the custom reason?
 
Do you see anything in the timeline for it? If I understand this conversation, I think you may be able to, but only because you're a mod.
 
@Zanna looks like it was stopped recently?
 
@Zanna Non-custom off-topic close reasons suffer from that, too.
 
Custom reasons as in where people type in their feelings in the text box?
Letting everyone know why a question was closed is the best option because it can be used as a learning point for other users too.
But now we have a very confusing and anything but transparent system when it comes to closing questions.
Totally unhelpful and just waiting for SE for undo this poor change.
 
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@SmokeDetector seems like that spam faked as a real question.
 
The post with the same domain that was deleted as as spam?
 
I'm guessing that the way the domain is used demonstrates that it really is spam?
(As a non-moderator, I can't see search results for deleted posts by other users.)
 
oops
 
9:24 AM
I've commented on metasmoke (replying to reports here does not do that, but replying to them in Charcoal HQ does). It might be useful to give further information. The posts are very similar, even down to the username, but it's not immediately obvious that they are spam. If, for instance, any other posts have spammed this domain, that would be good to know.
 
@EliahKagan yes, but non-custom reasons show the details to high-rep users and question owners, I think? But custom reasons don't show the detail to anyone
@jokerdino yesss
@EliahKagan sorry, yes I saw the reason. It was in a comment as well
 
I think using a custom reason automatically posts a comment.
 
yes... sorry I'm actually talking about this post specifically
I saw the reason in the timeline and the deleted comment
so I voted to Leave Open because I find the reason dubious
 
@Zanna I'm relieved to know the existing comment wasn't the close reason. :)
 
> I’m voting to close this question because it reads like a rant in disguise. It mentions a non-existent release of Ubuntu outside of the rant.
that's the reason/deleted comment ^
@EliahKagan that was the better half of the reason, really, though it was a very bad half reason imho
 
9:32 AM
@Zanna I feel like that custom close reason makes the case that custom close reasons are bad, regardless of who can see it.
@Zanna I'm sorry to hear that.
 
@EliahKagan yes!
 
Also, how would something read like anything in disguise?
The disguise would not be very good.
 
hahaha yes
 
A rant in disguise is something that doesn't read like a rant but if you think about it you realize it is one.
 
going by the revision history, there was no disguise
perhaps the edit disguised the rant
 
9:37 AM
But it still doesn't read like it's in disguise.
The help pages talk about rants in disguise. But people don't seem to actually find posts that are rants in disguise, and do seem to accuse other posts that are not rants or not in disguise as being rants in disguise.
For example, on this question, the OP commented referring to the question as a "near-rant" an an explanation, in reply to a request for specific information, while not giving that information. It still stayed open for a very long time.
 
Thomas added 1x-rate in the watchlist yesterday
 
@Kulfy Due to this earlier post I presume.
 
Exactly.
 
@Natty tp
 
9:48 AM
@EliahKagan I can't tell what they actually wanted
 
9:59 AM
@EliahKagan the existing comment isn't needed now, is it?
 
Probably not, though maybe the OP meant 20.10 instead of 20.04. Probably they meant 20.04 though. Most people who are using 20.10 know it's 20.10.
 
@Natty fp
 
 
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2:17 PM
isn't this answer actually an answer?
oh... there it goes :(
did I do that wrong?
 
@Natty ne
I think
 
3:14 PM
@Zanna Should it be edited and undeleted?
@Natty ne
@Zanna Your report was a couple minutes before you deleted the post, so Natty should've picked it up.
 
@EliahKagan I feel so... I was just reading it and trying to discern a) what exactly OP might have done that corresponded to the situation described in the answer and b) what exactly the answer was recommending be done about it
 
@Natty ne
@Zanna I'm not sure how to edit it. If I did know how, I wouldn't hesitate to do so and flag the post to request undeletion.
 
@EliahKagan was it? I feel sure I deleted it first... oh hmm did I report it 58 minutes later? Looks like it from the timestamps
 
Oh, sorry.
 
I was just reading it to figure it out when it got deleted... fortunately we can still read it
@EliahKagan my bad, I didn't know I couldn't report deleted posts to Natty
does he need to get to 10k?
 
@Zanna Yeah, Natty can't read deleted posts.
 
we may have had this conversation before (or, I may have made this mistake before)
((or both))
I feel bothered by that post we were talking about getting deleted :(
 
Is the issue that there is a meta post that can be read as smiling on such deletions?
I ask because the deletion is obviously wrong. To me, there is the practical issue that it's better to improve the post and address people's concerns about it at the same time as (or shortly before) undeleting it. Beyond that, I don't think it's really a difficult situation.
One of the difficult things is that even when upvoted meta posts are obviously flawed--even to the point of being incoherent, as sometimes happens--they're still a better gauge of the community's position on issues than most other metrics, so they can't very much shouldn't just be disregarded.
 
@EliahKagan partly yes, although really that one is about other Linux distros
this is the text of the comment that was there before the existing one
> Welcome to Ask Ubuntu! This is more of a comment than an answer. This does not provide an answer to the OP's question. To critique or request clarification from an author, leave a comment below their post. If you earn sufficient reputation you will be able to comment on any post. Please read How to Answer.
 
3:53 PM
so the original concern was not about the author having their issue in another OS
 
Yeah, I haven't found anything about the fully general issue of answers tested on other OSes. A lot of answers are deleted because they only apply to Windows. Deleting an answer because it is only tested on Windows is very different.
Since this particular question is about application behavior, which one shouldn't expect to be different (though of course it could be, which is why we have voting, and to a lesser but still significant extent, commenting and editing), the reasoning in this meta post does not seem to support deletion. But it's ambiguous if that applies.
One of the difficulties with that post (I don't mean the problems, I mean the difficulties in interpreting and applying it) is that its own example is not something that works on all distros!
I mean, it would also be a terrible answer. The example, I mean. When answering a question that asks how to copy a file, one should not recommend performing an action as root. But even if it did have to be done as root, not all GNU/Linux systems have sudo installed by default or recommend its use; of those that do, not all have it configured to work in the default configuration.
In this case, the issue seems to have to do with how the CSV file is exported in Excel. Most likely, Excel was run in an OS that Excel supports (rather than via Wine), which is not Ubuntu or any GNU/Linux system. Most likely, the CSV was exported with the intention that it be usable across multiple systems.
 
yes
 
4:17 PM
So both the question and the deleted answer appear to involve the use of a non-Ubuntu system, though the question is likely on-topic because the problem is experienced in Thunderbird on Ubuntu. The question has not been closed and there is no current effort to do so. It is imaginable that Thunderbird on Ubuntu has an easier time with less compatible CSV spreadsheets exported from Excel than Thunderbird on Windows has. But this does not seem likely.
So the commented reasoning for deleting the post does not make sense given the situation, which is why I say the closure should be considered a mistake. I don't think I can say anything definitive beyond that.
Regarding the broader issue, we have enough support on meta for the idea that posts cited to other distros should be flagged to support the idea that some flags on such posts should be actioned some of the time; thus they should likely be marked helpful much of the time, even if not actioned.
The meta post draws a distinction between simple and complex cases that is quite arbitrary, and supports it with an example that fails at a technical level. That I don't like the policy position doesn't make it right for me to say it should be ignored. But it's unclear to me which specific situations are the ones where it would actually support deleting a post.
I feel pretty good about saying this particular post isn't such a situation. But maybe the deletion was not intended to be based on that after all. One of my difficulties in approaching these issues is that I really disagree with the idea that any answer is ever on-topic or off-topic. But it seems this may be a position not many share.
 
@Zanna I am pretty sure I was the one who reviewed it and that sounds like a comment by me. I remember having some difficulty with the post but don't remember the details.
Was that the one about excel?
 
yes
you flagged it as not an answer
 
@Zanna Yeah the user was basically adding a "me too" and agreeing with a comment. So was I wrong? Above discussion is TL;DR
 
it's not saying "I have this problem too" but "I had this problem too and I solved it like this"
but, I do think it was not very clear what the answer was recommending
 
@Zanna Uh where does he say he solved it? It is not clear to me at all? Isn't he saying to save it as a csv and isn't that what the OP has done?
Or have I horribly misunderstood the answer?
 
4:29 PM
sorry, I didn't mean to bother you about it
I disagree with your interpretation, but I do think it's not very clearly expressed
here is the current version, which I have only slightly edited
 
@Zanna The 1st paragraph says he had the same problem and describes it. But that was by using an excel spread as the data source. 2nd paragraph says using .csv format solved it but OP is already doing that. Last line says to do what the comment says.
 
 
@Zanna No problem. It was my review and if I did something wrong I want to learn and understand what it is so I won't do it again!
 
I think the comment is really an answer
although maybe a partial one
I am going to eat dosa, back soon
 
@Zanna I agree. You edit makes it an answer in my opinion as it says actually how to solve the problem instead of redirecting the reader and "make sure that CSV has exactly the text you want displayed" is important
@Zanna AT 10 o'clock?
@Zanna But I am unsure whether this still answers the question. Isn't what OP want is to find a way to make sure that CSV has the right text whenever he makes it instead of checking and correcting it manually every time. That defies the whole point of mail merge.
 
4:43 PM
@SasukeUchiha well, there is, I agree, a hole in the answer, where it ought to explain how to correct the spreadsheet so that the csv exported from it comes out right
but since they are using Windows, their answer to that might be unreliable
but there is a hint, that the date should be a "text field"
in the spreadsheet
because the spreadsheet program should apply less formatting to text
in LibreOffice, one would select the cell, go to Format > Cells and select Text from the menu
@SasukeUchiha isn't it always dosa time?
I think so :)
 
@Zanna Yup I understood that and I am currently writing an answer with a bit more into. I'll ping you when I post it.
 
you don't need to ping me about that
 
@Zanna Gotta agree though.
 
but I am going to undelete this answer
@SasukeUchiha :D
 
@Zanna I always value others opinions and there may always be something to improve that I didn't notice
@Zanna k
 
4:51 PM
don't let that discourage you from answering though :D
thanks for your input!
 
@Zanna np
 
and for writing answers :D
 
I am happy 😃
@Zanna Answer posted. Is it clear and better?
 
5:21 PM
looks good, thanks! I'm too sleepy to think properly now, but seems like you filled the gaps :) I'll have another look tomorrow
 
@Zanna I gtg too. I have a history lesson at 6.30 am tomorrow. I have my GCE O/L in December so lot of workload. Good night
 
good night :)
 
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@Natty tp
@Natty fp
@Natty fp though I'm not sure that's a correct answer.
 
@EliahKagan Post already reported
 
@Natty tp
 
11:17 PM
 
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@Natty I think this is merely a comment, but I'm not 100% sure.
 
11:39 PM
I don't think this question should be considered opinion-based, but is it a duplicate of something?
not unclear, not no-repro - could even be answered based on the OP's comment, though if they can post a full answer that would be best
not unclear even though it seems so - see answer
no longer needed - such comments on answers are sometimes appropriate for a short time, but there is very little value in commenting on a question to request an accept (except in reply to a comment by the OP indicating that a particular answer worked)
 

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