[ Natty | Sentinel ] drivers Install printer Canon MP280 on ubuntu 20.04 By: Esteban Richmond Salazar 4.0;

[ Natty | Sentinel ] printing "Add printer" does not work for canon mp560 in 20.04 By: Esteban Richmond Salazar 4.0;

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@Natty tp

are we supposed to do something with stuff on meta that gets cross-posted to MSE, like this question

[ Natty | Sentinel ] networking How to use namespaced-openvpn for VPN per application? By: xAllj 7.0;

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@Natty tp

possibly dupe

@Natty tp

@SasukeUchiha meta.askubuntu.com/posts/19066/revisions

Do SE employees at least still look at bug on child metas?

not sure, but seems bugs are supposed to be escalated in the same way

maybe that was an unnecessary ping since Sasuke Uchiha would get a notification about that edit anyway - oops!

I don't know anymore which edits cause notifications.

I've never known, but I once wrongly thought I did. :)

Yup got the edit ping and came here to say thanks

@Zanna I don't think so. In particular, I don't think a discussion, bug, or feature-request question on a child meta that appears to ask the same thing as a question by the same user on Meta Stack Exchange actually constitutes a cross post.

All questions on a Stack Exchange site are efforts to solicit input from a particular community, but questions on a meta site are actually asking for the attitudes and beliefs of that community (and, unlike a question on a main site that did that, this does not make them off-topic or opinion-based).

Also, bug and feature-request often describe problems that are in some way site-specific even though they seem not to be (sometimes even to their OPs) at first glance.

The recent meta question is about the coloring and shading of something in the UI, but that differs somewhat across sites. Also, problems may have different resolutions on different sites.

For example, SE increased the number of hyperlinks new users on Skeptics can post far above what was (at least at the time) the network-wide limit, due to a recognition that only being allowed to include two hyperlinks in a post made it so that new users couldn't actually write good answers on a site where everything is required to be thoroughly cited.

Anyway, which edits trigger that? It doesn't appear always

@EliahKagan (There's also a dryer sense in which a bug or feature-request question on a child meta isn't truly a cross-post of such a question on Meta Stack Exchange: even if about something network-wide, when posted on a child meta it's a claim that the particular site works a certain way and that that site site should work some other way instead. Although I think this reasoning is correct, by itself it doesn't seem very compelling, which is why I didn't lead with it.)

@SasukeUchiha I don't know of a good source for up-to-date information about specifically how the system decides whether to issue a notification for an edit. The broad summary given here is probably still accurate, except that I wonder if some tag edits involving mod-only tags generate notifications.

Note that I'm not saying Zanna's edit to your meta question generated a notification because of the tag edit. In that edit, a sufficient volume of text was removed from the end to issue a notification, going by the details here.

@EliahKagan ok, good :)

I like the FR about the flag history a lot

@Zanna I mean, that's just my opinion. But I don't think I've heard of child-meta questions being closed for this reason. And I don't think it would make sense for them to be close as cross-posted.

I think the system should notify us about every edit to one of our posts

@Zanna Try posting that in meta stack exchange

meta.askubuntu.com/questions/19066/… Edited. Better or worse?

at first glance, I would say, there is no need to explain the reasoning further than you already had

if you have some code or pictures to show what the reply button should look like, that would be appreciated I think

@Zanna Oh well. Jeff had replied to almost the same request and it was accepted and the request was declined. I don't want that to happen again unless the company finds a better reason to decline them

that was thousands of years ago though

I can use the same ones from the linked meta stack exchange posts right

@Zanna True but as it is linked in the answer, who knows, maybe they will think - Hay that is a good reason to decline this - and wham status-declined

I am panicking a bit now because the post looks really different from how it did when it got upvoted and when I re-tagged it

maybe you could add an answer instead of that edit?

Uh why can't I reply to my own chat masseges

Ok will do that then

@SasukeUchiha you can, there just isn't a button for it

oops sec

@Zanna How?

@Zanna maybe not quite that long

Uh I am totally at a loss here. This discussion should probably go in the island btw. Is there a guide to chat formatting?

@Zanna done

I made a video to explain, but I can't figure out how to share it

FeelsBad

@Zanna Upload to a googledrive/onedrive and send the link?

@SasukeUchiha The help link at the bottom of the chat page gives some advice about formatting, but it doesn't say how to reply to one's own messages.

@SasukeUchiha To reply to one of your own messages, first view it in the transcript by either (a) clicking on the left edge of it, as shown in your screenshot, and clicking permalink, or (b) middle-clicking on the left edge of it (or right/secondary-clicking on the left edge of it and clicking to open it in a new tab). Then the link in the transcript has a message ID at the end of it.

@EliahKagan Then start your new message with a : followed by the message ID, followed by a space. That's actually how all replies to specific messages work behind the scenes: they start with a colon and the numeric ID of the chat message being replied to.

@EliahKagan Thanks. Didn't know how to get the ID

Yeah, that's the tricky part. :)

One way to figure out how to do things in chat that the UI doesn't directly support is to view the histories of chat messages that do similar things. The history of a chat message shows the Markdown source code of all of its revisions, including the most recent, and histories of non-deleted messages are always viewable, even if they have only a single revision (i.e., even if they were never edited).

Message histories are available from the transcript, so you can (as one way) click the left edge of the message in chat, click permalink, and the click the left edge of the message in the transcript and click history.

@SasukeUchiha So like this?

@SasukeUchiha thanks! much appreciated

Yes.

@Zanna Np

@EliahKagan Thanks again

No problem!

@Zanna And sorry for the trouble

@SasukeUchiha I don't think this needs to be moved to the Island. I think just about anything that would be on-topic for Ask Ubuntu Meta is within the scope of the Downboat.

There are some exceptions. For example, a protracted discussion of Ubuntu misspellings with humorous illustrations should be moved to the Island if it were to arise here, even though I do think that question is perfectly good for Ask Ubuntu Meta. But discussion about how the site's mechanisms work and can be used is, I think, on-topic for this room.

👆👍

@EliahKagan How DO people come up with these weird ideas. It is fun though. But I read somewhere in here that some people disagree with AU being fun :(

@SasukeUchiha not at all :)

@SasukeUchiha Turns out I was referring to this and it was a joke (well, almost. there is some truth) LOL

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body, blacklisted website in body, potentially bad ip for hostname in body, potentially bad keyword in body (158): seo certification? by Joker on askubuntu.com

@Kulfy not found o.O

no recent rejects in history o.O

Hmm. So suggested edits on spam are also destroyed

It isn't visible in my review history as well

I think it's just that suggested edits on any deleted posts aren't visible from review histories.

That reminds me, can anyone provide feedback (such as tp/fp) to nutty?

Yes. Natty accepts feedback from any chat user.

@Kulfy I looked there first

@EliahKagan But it is odd that the suggested edit is not itself visible when navigated to by the link you gave (assuming that link is correct).

@Kulfy So maybe they are treated specially.

Yeah it seems to be. There no sign of that suggested edit in review history

maybe it would appear on the timeline of the post

Nope

do you have the link to the post?

@SmokeDetector This one

weird... the first post review is there

even though nobody did it

Bug?

@EliahKagan Is it the same for smoke detector? If so why doesn't anyone give feedback to it? (charcoal-se.org/smokey/Commands)

There used to be a thing (I'm not sure of the details) where suggested edits on deleted posts continued to be pending if they had one indecisive review, but they never got reviewed?

@SasukeUchiha Smokey get feedback in Charcoal HQ

Apart from some other rooms

is it the case that Smokey isn't interactive here, or just that only authorised users can interact with it?

@Kulfy k

@SasukeUchiha SmokeDetector has both privileged and unprivileged commands. Anyone can successfully run unprivileged commands, but only users with the required level of privilege can run privileged commands. (Which privileged commands people can run, and what they do, also sometimes depends on multiple levels of privilege.)

@Zanna SmokeDetector is not in this room.

Locked posts can't be edited and removing suggested edits from queue may make sense. IMO it's better to make Community bot reject those edits instead of invalidating link

@EliahKagan It doesn't enter the room even to post messages. The SE chat system allows any users with write access to a room to post messages in the room even without entering the room.

However, there are some user scripts that can be used to interact with metasmoke in ways that one might otherwise achieved by interacting with SmokeDetector. For example, the FIRE userscript works in this room.

@Natty report askubuntu.com/a/1255124/1073514

@SasukeUchiha Post already registered as False Positive

Invalidated the previous feedback on askubuntu.com/a/1255124

Hmm why is that fp? that is link only?

The question is asking for software recommendations, and the answer recommends specific software. Even if the name of the program were not a hyperlink, it would still constitute an answer. In general, the best question to ask is not whether something is link-only (because, while that answer is not link-only, it's not intuitively obvious) but whether something is providing an answer vs. only claiming that an answer exists somewhere else.

Of course, that answer is not very high quality, because it does not say why that software would be good for the OP's needs.

@Natty fp

Invalidated the previous feedback on askubuntu.com/a/1255124

Yeah. I think some details about the software should be added in the answer

askubuntu.com/review/first-posts/1061724 What do u say?

@EliahKagan I guess I should stop talking about it behind its back then

No action needed

That's an answer

@Kulfy :O

:O

@SasukeUchiha It could use some improvement, I'd say, but it's not NAA.

nooo

edit it

@Zanna How? add ss?

Well I have gtg. have a lesson now. Please take appropriate action regarding it

cya

I have edited it

@Zanna Hacks to detect if it was an audit (cc @SasukeUchiha)

@SasukeUchiha I've added a little bit. It might be possible to improve the answer even further.

@Zanna As a suggestion, you can use → for right direction arrow

No Action Needed means "there is no action available here that would make stuff better w/r/t/ this post". This is rarely the case @SasukeUchiha

@Kulfy I prefer the angle bracket, because the arrow is so small

🢂 (or ⮩)

yes that one would do nicely

I usually give a space after and before arrows. I think they are big enough

the spacing is essential

Personally I like the humble →

@EliahKagan I only see black boxes in mobile chat

That might be an argument against using those arrows.

Does "→" appear correctly?

Yeah

This is what I see in chat However the arrows on main works perfectly. May be chats aren't rendering them correctly

@EliahKagan To correct what I said earlier: Natty actually also has some privileged commands, like to reboot it. But the feedback commands are not privileged and can be run by any cat user with write access to any of the rooms Natty is in. @SasukeUchiha

@Kulfy Interestingly, it shows them as different widths, even though it's not able to display the glyphs for them.

@EliahKagan I meant any chat user. Whether the user is a cat or human, or a dog like Natty, does not affect what commands one may run.

dupe downloads directory name is case sensitive

Closed.

[ Natty | Sentinel ] networking Configure reverse DNS using Dnsmasq By: GKS 4.5;

@EliahKagan very nice

@EliahKagan even dinosaurs can use those commands

OT 14.04

dupe

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, potentially bad keyword in title (100): Else quick and easy way to make money online New discounts and bonuses business model price $3.00 by Oluwakeji Onabajo on askubuntu.com

[ Natty | Sentinel ] pulseaudio Screen recording applications are not detecting audio in ubuntu 20.04 By: Krumpli 5.5;

@Natty tp

@Kulfy If I am not sure whether it is an audit I just visit the link. Then it becomes obvious. LOL

[ Natty | Sentinel ] 20.04 Several crashes with a new build: 20.04 LTS over MSI b450 Ryzen 3700x By: lev258 5.5;

[ Natty | Sentinel ] hard-drive fsck, im stuck in the middle of operation By: lev258 4.5;

[ Natty | Sentinel ] permissions How to change permission of a drive in an external hard disk? By: Shubham Jain 7.5;

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@Natty tp

@Natty tp

@Natty tp

audits don't matter, but real reviews do

But I'm reluctant to vote it to close.

then join me in not voting to close :)

Voted to leave open in queue

not a dupe of the linked one. This can either be reopened and closed as dupe of that one. Or the dupe list can be edited without reopening and closing again

[ Natty | Sentinel ] system-installation Installation mini.iso fails By: gearcoded 3.5;

dupe

@Natty tp Seems to be suggesting ext4 for troubleshooting the described problem, not proposing it as a solution.

@Natty tp

@Natty tp

@Natty tp

@Kulfy One more reopen vote needed.

@Natty tp

@Kulfy this is the clarification they added

@Kulfy reopened and VTC'd

Thanks.

@pomsky Because of past experiences on meta, I came to conclusion that engaging with that user isn't fruitful. They tend to stick whatever they think and assume that it's right

no longer unclear

@SasukeUchiha deletable, blatantly wrong/misplaced answer (cc @Zanna)

@Kulfy You're telling me! :D

Unfortunately, they have enough reputation now to cause harm in some cases.

Anyway, I think it's better to delete the question given that the accepted answer is also quite a dodgy one.

deletable

I usually tend to avoid the arguments and long conversations but IMO it's better to object the wrong claims instead of ignoring them.

@pomsky oh hahaha I did wonder reading the question whether they were in the right settings XD

@Kulfy Yeah, that's true. Consider leaving a response in the comments.

Yeah already did.

Thanks. :)

@pomsky So no longer needed as it's reopened

I'm reluctant to engage back even if they reply

@Kulfy I second that :D

@Natty report askubuntu.com/a/1255350/22949

[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; Low Rep; 2.5;

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in username (1): How to clone git repository only some directories? by CryptoGeek on askubuntu.com

@SmokeDetector seems a nice username to me

Does this answer there pertain to the question at all?

@Zanna doesn't seem so

@Zanna Does "bad keyword in username" refer to the username "CryptoGeek"?

@user3140225 that's what I thought

So probably "crypto" causes the username to be bad. It doesn't seem like a good rule to catch spam.

Should it be a suggestion for a change in Charcoal? (I don't have any idea how Charcoal works though)

nobody suspects the geeks

@user3140225 It's the whole word CryptoGeek that it's catching. Crypto by itself does not trigger that detection.

What's going on is:

@EliahKagan If I understand correctly, there was a website containing the word "cryptogeek" reported, so this username is now blacklisted, right?

Not blacklisted, just watched. Also, it's not specific to usernames--the watch reports cryptogeek in post titles and post bodies as well (and is mainly intended for that).

@EliahKagan I see. Thanks for the info!

@jokerdino except for smokey?

so, this means we are now getting reports for experimental cases?

Yes. (PR)

thanks @Daniil for the PR

@EliahKagan thanks EK for the work

[ Natty | Sentinel ] networking How to setup a static IP on Ubuntu Server 18.04 using cloud-init metadata? By: regress 4.5;

OT not about Ubuntu

@Kulfy heh! :D

OT Debian

OT Mint

OT elementary OS

@pomsky Let it be :)

@jokerdino +1 (cc @Daniil)

@jokerdino +1 (cc @EliahKagan)

OT Parrot OS

@karel Thanks, It's Done.

[ Natty | Sentinel ] boot Updated to 18.04, PC freezes before the login screen (Ubuntu logo) By: Dj-Garfield 4.0;

@Natty tp

[ Natty | Sentinel ] update-manager How can I stop the Software Updater from nagging me to restart? By: A J Ducey 6.0;

@Natty tp

@Zanna There is a user script for this already. See the stackapps post.

dupe

@SasukeUchiha oh right. Well you could link to that maybe

in your post I mean

@Zanna I did

oh... great :)

😄👍

I am in the middle of a science lesson so bye

enjoy!

this post seems at least borderline OK to me - at least it explains how to reach that file when the login screen is broken, which the top answer does not

@jokerdino No problem! :)

[ Natty | Sentinel ] 18.04 Include a new file in the SSH configuration file By: gerard 4.5;

@Natty tp

@Natty report askubuntu.com/a/1255431/22949

[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; Low Rep; Unregistered User; 1.0;

@EliahKagan sorry about that one. Didn't notice it was a different OS

[ Natty | Sentinel ] gnome GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files By: Hamza Ansari 5.5;

@Natty tp

@SasukeUchiha No problem.

@Natty seems spam considering channel name, date of posting and number of views

first two comments are no longer needed. Comments were based on wrong assumptions that it was about AU. There was an active CV and it seems it was retracted after my comment

@Kulfy also this one, though I understand if you don't personally want to flag it, since you replied to it.

Already flagged. Forgot to mention

[ Natty | Sentinel ] amd-graphics Install CoreCtrl (GPU GUI) on Ubuntu 20.04 By: Mario 4.5;

@Natty tp

[ Natty | Sentinel ] 18.04 vlc media player will not work tried everything ubuntu 18 By: user1101204 5.0;

@Natty tp

@Natty tp

@Natty report askubuntu.com/a/1255503/22949

[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Ends with ?; Low Length; No Code Block; One Line only; Contains Salutation - Thanks; Contains Whitelisted Word - why not; Low Rep; Self Answer; 3.0;

@Natty report askubuntu.com/a/1255457/22949

[ Natty | Sentinel ] Link to Post Low Length; No Code Block; One Line only; Low Rep; 3.0;

unclear

[ Natty | Sentinel ] networking VirtualBox guest can ping host but not access internet By: Luk 3.5;

@Natty fp

good edit

I've commented and voted to reopen this meta question.

[ Natty | Sentinel ] intel How to install Intel AVX 2 on Ubuntu By: user1101252 4.0;

@Natty tp