Vedanta and Philosophy

4:47 AM

@Tezz This is good question

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Q: Why did Shiva and Adishakti have to separate to create the universe?

Many Puranas reference the separation of Shiva and Adishakti in order to create the universe. Adishakti then took many forms (Sati, Parvati, etc.) and each time married Shiva, so they can be united once again. If both entities are so powerful, why did they have to separate in order to create? Why...

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Yes... Can you answer it?...

The Destroyer

@Tezz But answer is not mentioned explicitly in Shiva Purana. Shakti gave her energy to Brahma to create females. But she in Nirakara mingled with Shiva. She in Sakara form born as Sati. So, in manifested form they united.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Yes... we can't exactly answer why part... we can just say it's Leela of Shiva Shakti..

The Destroyer

Even after giving her energy, Durga exists in Nirakara and she was born. But we can't say that Shiva Shakti were separated in their highest forms.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer yes... Shiva creates Shakti out of him ... and they create world representing Prakirti and Purusha...

The Destroyer

4:55 AM

@Tezz But for others like Vishnu and Lakshmi it is clear, though they have remarriage during Sagara Madanam.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Shiva creating Shakti out of him is event before birth of Brahma.... but latter Rudra also replicates the same when he becomes Son of Brahma....

The Destroyer

@Tezz Ardanariswara comes from Avimukta region of Brahma.

@KeshavSrinivasan Yes. OCRed text is gibberish. I think encoding problem.

Keshav Srinivasan

5:43 AM

@TheDestroyer So is there any way to OCR it properly?

SwiftPushkar

6:55 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan - Vannakam 😊💐 🙏 @SreeCharan - वन्दनं 😊🙏

@TheDestroyer - 🙏💐

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar अभिवन्दनम् !

SwiftPushkar

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaishnava_Jana_To

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar Namaskaram!

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Yeah from Avimuktam region of Brahma...

@KeshavSrinivasan giving up of भेदकाकार

@KeshavSrinivasan There is परमात्मसाम्यमात्रम्

The Destroyer

@KeshavSrinivasan Onenote 2016 is good but not great.

Sample text

The Agnihotra is called 'Ekarshi' bccause it is accomplished
with the help of only one Rirvik or it may mean the devoted to
the foremost of sages, the Parmnatmcm. Fff: / It is said
that the term %7t: signifies Paramatman alone. This shirovrata is
well known as a Veda Vrata to be perfonncd by those following the
Atharvaveda.

@Tezz Keshava can't read Devanagari.

Tezz

7:06 AM

@KeshavSrinivasan यः तत् ब्रह्मवेद प्रीतिरुपापन्नदर्शनसमानकारपासनोयुक्तो भवती when he is endowed

@TheDestroyer he uses Sanscript tool..

The Destroyer

@Tezz ok.

@KeshavSrinivasan But those Devanagari can only be scanned through Google OCR.

SwiftPushkar

hey all I don't think this answer is proper , It's accepted , But Garuda Purana is talking abt. nervous disorders & remedies in detail ,

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Q: What does Hinduism say about Mental Disorders? How do we overcome them?

For example in my case: Serious and self-conscious most of the times. Problem maintaining eye contacts and talking to people. Lack of close relationships. I often have a sense of "what is all this thing called life" thoughts even at home. According to some scholars I have heard, mind is just ...

mind health

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan ब्रह्मैव भवती means आभिर्वुत ब्राह्मरुपो भवती

@TheDestroyer but he can scan these chat messages (ie. What I'm typing)...

@KeshavSrinivasan Being freed from राग द्वेष and others

@KeshavSrinivasan characteristics of Brahman such as अपहतपाप्मत्व

@KeshavSrinivasan the Paramatman मुख्यवर्षिः परमात्मा

@KeshavSrinivasan the term ऋषिः signifies

@KeshavSrinivasan above are all Sanskrit texts which are present in the middle of the English sentences... now you can scan from here..

Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz Oh, thank you so much!

@SwiftPushkar Vanakkam

Tezz

@KeshavSrinivasan You're welcome...😀😀

Sree Charan

7:16 AM

@SwiftPushkar Yes. That is only giving advantages of meditation.

@TheDestroyer @KeshavSrinivasan Look at that answer. @all look at that answer

8 mins ago, by SwiftPushkar

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Q: What does Hinduism say about Mental Disorders? How do we overcome them?

For example in my case: Serious and self-conscious most of the times. Problem maintaining eye contacts and talking to people. Lack of close relationships. I often have a sense of "what is all this thing called life" thoughts even at home. According to some scholars I have heard, mind is just ...

mind health

The Destroyer

@SwiftPushkar More funnier thing is, user who posted question suggested Pranayama and user who answered it edited it with Pranayama. Haha.

Tezz

And see at the last:

Adding from comment : Pranayamam is a good practise to purify our blood, to get a good mental strength, etc. (Thanks @Nishant for this point which I forgot.)

@TheDestroyer yes... that is very funny 😀

The Destroyer

@Tezz Yeah.

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - Also it's not described in answer what Hinduism says abt.mental disorder's , how they arose etc.I think proper guidance ,care & years of practice is required to do yoga & pranayama ,and to appy it for curing purpose etc😊

@TheDestroyer - haha 😀😀

@Tezz - Hii , you were typing so , haven't greeted you 😊💐 Namaskarsm

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar haha.. we greet already without greeting also..😀😀

@SwiftPushkar नमस्कारम् । भवतु किं करिष्यामि ?

SwiftPushkar

7:24 AM

@Tezz - 😉 ,I think we should make a rule "How to greet each other & in what way" 😀😀👍👍

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar in Sanskrit greeting starts with the phrase 'नमो नमः'

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - -अस्मिन वर्तमाने , उपनिषादस्य अध्यायनं कारिष्ययामी , अथ केन पठायन्ति 📚👍👍

@Tezz - yes 😊

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar अहं श्रुती सुक्तम् अध्ययन करिष्यामि, विशेषतः अथर्ववेदीय सुक्तानी पठन्ती चिन्तयन्ती इतिः ।

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - I think students of upanishad's can also greet each other by ॐ तत्सद्ब्रह्मणे नमः 😊

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar अहं अल्प अल्प स्मरणयामी किं, बृहदआरण्यके अन्तरगते याज्ञवाल्कव्य गर्गी सम्वादे (वा अन्य विद्वान सम्वादे), सम्वाद आरम्भणे समय 'नमस्कारम्' वदन्तु ।

SwiftPushkar

7:34 AM

@Tezz - सुन्दरम , मम एक प्रश्न: किं जानाति त्वं उत्तरं ?- किं साहित्य: गणपति अथर्व शीर्ष ?

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar आम् । 'ॐ तत्सद्ब्रह्मणे नमः' वाक्यं भि उत्तमम् अभिवादन वाक्यं ।

@SwiftPushkar गणपति अथर्वशीर्षा एकं उपनिषदस्तु अथर्ववेदीय अन्तर्गतम् ।

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz उपनिषदस्य विद्यार्थिन: ते वाक्यम स्मरणं अति आवश्यक: अस्तु 😊

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar आम् ।

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz किन्तु मम प्रश्नं ते नास्ति , प्रतीक्षा ... मई लिखयन्ति ते अन्य भाषायाम😊

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar द्वे उपनिषदे 'अथर्वशिरा' एवं 'गणपति अथर्वशीर्षा' । द्वौ उपनिषदे भिन्ने । अथर्वशीरा उपनिषदस्तु अहं यह वदाम्यहम् ।। hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/17278/…

SwiftPushkar

7:42 AM

@Tezz - We can see that the rushi is Athavan ,but my question is - all the Ganapati Athervashrisha is written by Atharvana or only ,this sentence is said by Atharvana - अनेन गणपतिमभिषिञ्चति स वाग्मी भवति ।
चतुर्थ्यामनश्नन् जपति स विद्यावान् भवति ।
इत्यथर्वणवाक्यम् ।
ब्रह्माद्यावरणं विद्यान्न बिभेति कदाचनेति ॥१५॥

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar पुष्कराणं प्रस्तावं स्वीकारोक्ति ।

@SwiftPushkar whole Upanishad is Veda... but Ganapati Atharvasiras is of doubtful authenticity... because no Acharyas before 15th century has quoted it...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz -आभारम , प्रति तस्य स्वीकरणस्य मम प्रस्तावः 👍👍

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar धन्यवादम् आभर व्यक्तं हेतुः ।

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - Yes ,i know the question by @KeshavSrinivasan , and as you are currently reading Atharvaveda , i thought its better to ask you abt.my doubt ,which were in my mind Since long , so is GA is in Atharvaveda?

Sree Charan

Thank You @SreeCharan. Is it fine to do Yoga and Pranayama without Guidance? I am just following what my parents said and Baba Ramdev's instructions. — Nishant 10 mins ago

SwiftPushkar

7:50 AM

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Q: What is the origin of Ganapathi Atharvasheersh?

Where do we find the Ganapati Atharvasheersh in scriptures? What is the meaning of the word 'Atharvsheersh'. Who is the writer of it (Rishi Ganak or Atharvan)?

vedas ganesha rishi atharva-veda upanishads

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar It is not in Atharvaveda Samhita... the only Upanishad present in Atharvaveda Samhita is NilaRudra Upanishad... it might be present in Aranyakas of AtharvaVedas which are lost now... so present it's like a independent text...

@SwiftPushkar even Mundaka and Mandukya Upanishads (which are among principle Upanishads) are part of Atharvaveda... but they are like independent text now...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - oh ok , that's what i exactly wanted to know , thanks 😊👍👍👍🍫

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar @Tezz See the comment I posted above. Guidelines needed to the OP.

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - oh ,ok , that's good info.you have given , BTW , kena-Upanishad is part of Saam-veda ,Talawakar shakha

@SreeCharan - ok ,will check that .😊

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar yes Kena Upanishad part is extant... it's in Talavakra Aranyaka of Krishna Yajurveda...

@SwiftPushkar similarly Isha Upanishad is 40th chapter of Shukla YajurVeda...

SwiftPushkar

7:55 AM

@Tezz - yes , i know abt.both. 😊👍👍👍

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar Brihad Aranayka is part of Satapatha Brahamana...

@SwiftPushkar Aitreya Upanishad is from Aitreya Aranyaka of RigVeda .. Similarly Taittariya and Mahanarayana Upanishad from Taittariya Aranyaka of Krishna YajurVeda...

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - Yes , very nice and detail comment ,op retracted acceptance 👍👍👍👍 keep it up

Tezz

@SreeCharan guidelines about what?..

Sree Charan

8 mins ago, by Sree Charan

Thank You @SreeCharan. Is it fine to do Yoga and Pranayama without Guidance? I am just following what my parents said and Baba Ramdev's instructions. — Nishant 10 mins ago

@Tezz ^^^

Ankit Sharma

Hello folks

Tezz

8:01 AM

@AnkitSharma नमस्कारम्: भवतु किं करिष्यति ?

Ankit Sharma

nothing much, boring office day

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - मम उपनिषदस्य पुस्तक:अंतर्गत: नवम (९) उपनिषद् अधिक तस्य शंकर भाष्यस्य आविर्भाव अस्तु -ईशा ,केन ,कठो ,मांडूक्य ,एतरिय ,तैत्तरीय

Sree Charan

@AnkitSharma Ke aal aee (Dogri greeting)

Ankit Sharma

@SreeCharan there is something surely wrong with it

Sree Charan

@AnkitSharma I don't know. I copy pasted from web.

SwiftPushkar

8:09 AM

@SreeCharan - khya haal hai ...क्या हाल है 😊

@Tezz - एक नाम विस्मरयामी - श्वेताश्वतरोपनिशद

Ankit Sharma

@SreeCharan lol, I can't understand what you even said there

Sree Charan

@AnkitSharma I said Hello. :D

Ankit Sharma

Doesn't looks like dogri to me

SwiftPushkar

@AnkitSharma - Hiii , sorry missed ur message 😊🌷🍫🍬

Ankit Sharma

No worries

SwiftPushkar

8:16 AM

@AnkitSharma - I do worry abt missing your greeting message, 😑

@SreeCharan - I think u will be knowing abt."Vaishava jan to " bhajan

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar Yeah,. heard of it. You posted wikipedia article na,

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - Yes , Somedays ago i was about to ask question related that the question was like -Which scriptures describes ideal characteristics of a vaishnava told in that bhajan , but found all those in SB so skipped , 😊

@TheDestroyer Anyone who accepts that Shriman Narayana is the only saviour is a Vaishnava, anyone who trusts Shriman Narayana will chant it so He is certainly a Vaishnava. All Vaishnava sect focus on maintenance of sattva. Bodily disciple is to be maintained by everybody it is nitya saucha(regular cleanliness). Regarding prasadam BG chapter 3 krishna says that one who eats food without offering it to gods is a sinner and verily eats sin. — Yogi 16 hours ago

@Tezz @KeshavSrinivasan - what is canon described in this link - dialogue Btw.Rama&Hanuman , Is rama is associated with Upanishadas ?

@SreeCharan - Are there any specific stories associated with Garudas devotion towards lord vishnu , like Hanuman story of tearing chest and showing Shree-Rama inside his heart etc.

Sree Charan

8:33 AM

@SwiftPushkar As you know, Hanuman tearing chest is a later story in regional versions.

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - Yes , i know 😊 but that story is very popular and we haven't heard any typical story like this associated with garuda or narada etc.so asked..

Sree Charan

But there is a story where Garuda feels he is the most powerful one and Hanuman teaches Garuda a lesson about it.

There are some stories about Garuda showing his devotion towards lord. Also towards Lord's bhaktas.

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - Yes he is ever ready to carry lord vishnu anywhere , but is there any theStory of him showing extreme devotion ,like hanumana ,to lord or to else

@AnkitSharma - is there any typical Banglore style hindi people spoke in Ban'or city , like @TheDestroyer -said there is typical Hyderabadi hindi people speaking over there ie.filmy style?😀

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muktikā

Sree Charan

@SwiftPushkar @SwiftPushkar There are no pages with that name.

SwiftPushkar

8:49 AM

@SreeCharan - yes , i dont know but ,somehow the link is not getting pasted correctly ,dont know why😮??

Ankit Sharma

@SwiftPushkar no Bangalore people speak in English more and they add extra "a" sound in end of words

SwiftPushkar

9:25 AM

@AnkitSharma - hmm , i see 😎

Sree Charan

9:37 AM

Muktikā

The Muktikā (Sanskrit: "deliverance") refers to the canon of 108 Upaniṣads. The date of composition of each is unknown, with the oldest probably from about 800 BCE and the youngest probably composed after the 15th-century CE. The Principal Upanishads were composed in the 1st millennium BCE, most Yoga Upanishads composed probably from the 100 BCE to 300 CE period, and seven of the Sannyasa Upanishads composed before the 3rd century CE. == The Canon == The canon is part of a dialogue between Rama and Hanuman. Rama proposes to teach Vedanta, saying "Even by reading one verse of them [any Upanishad...

@SwiftPushkar Done 👍

SwiftPushkar

@SreeCharan - yes अनेक: धन्यवाद: तस्य प्रतिं 💐👏👏 -Many thanks to you 🍫🍬

Rakesh Joshi

10:02 AM

@SwiftPushkar @SreeCharan kindly see my question on muktika

Sree Charan

@RakeshJoshi Hello !

Rakesh Joshi

:)

Sree Charan

@AnkitSharma ISn't that you who asked the question of One tag cleanup post? Wh is it showing anon?

Rakesh Joshi

in muktika ,, these vedantins even converted Hanumana and Rama as vedanyins ... Sad

SwiftPushkar

@RakeshJoshi - Namaste 😊💐 ,Which question ? is that in u r comment or you asked on main ?

Rakesh Joshi

10:10 AM

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Q: Is Muktika Upanishad genuine?

How can Muktika be genuine when it lists later day upanishads like Kali santarana ? How can it list vedas which were revealed later, eg: Shukla yajur veda releaved during the end of Dwapara yuga much later after the period of Rama. How come these names be listed in a text which is believed dur...

upanishads muktikopanishad authentic

SwiftPushkar

@RakeshJoshi - oh ,ok 😊

Ankit Sharma

@SreeCharan dissociated from the post because now I am not going to/can't even handle that post

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar I think Rama is associated with three Upanishad... Muktika, Rama Rahasya and RamaTapaniya.. all 3 are of doubtful authenticity...

@AnkitSharma what is the procedure to disassociate from post...

Ankit Sharma

@Tezz ghani tapsya

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - oh I see , uptill now i wasn't aware or heard abt.this 😊👍👍

Tezz

10:14 AM

@AnkitSharma you mean 'severe penance'... 😀😀

Ankit Sharma

yup

Tezz

@AnkitSharma Oh I see... I didn't know about that...

Ankit Sharma

:D

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - but according to defination of upanishad's "The Sanskrit term Upaniṣad (upa = by, ni = nether, shat =sitting) translates to "sitting down near", referring to the student sitting down near the teacher while receiving esoteric knowledge" , can we say that the conversation btw.Shree Rama & Hanumana also be called a Upanishadas ,or that should be from vedas ?

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar did you finished reading all 9 Upanishads with Shankara Bhasya...

@SwiftPushkar to call it Upanishad it should be from Vedas... we can't simply attach a name Upanishad to a text which fulfills it's name.

SwiftPushkar

10:19 AM

@Tezz - No , finished Isha , reading kena but i have a question about one shloka of kena 😊I think iwill finish them in 4-5 months but not less than that😊

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar which sloka?..

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - There is story in kena about Brahman appearing as yaksha before devas Agni ,Vayu and Indra fail to recognize him , then Indra goes to Uma ,she tells indra that the Yaksha was brahman ,he has given you victory in war.

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar yes, so what's confusion in it?..

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - Since these 3 first gets the info.abut.brahman they are superior among gods but the godess uma already knows he is brahman among all the gods so how come indra came to know abt.brahman first , uma came to know abt.brahman first .

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar Uma herself represents the Brahma Vidya there... with her Grace only one can know Brahman... same thing is shown in the story... and Uma herself is also inseparable from Brahman...so Indra became the first there to know about Brahman...

SwiftPushkar

10:28 AM

@Tezz - oh ok , i see that's the way it has to be interpreted ok , i will see whether any explnat given by shankara abt.this.and what 😊

@Tezz - BTW see my new quotes from both of these 😊

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar In the Shaktism perspective... Devi represents both Brahman and Brahma Vidya... I discuss it in my answer here:

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A: Is there any hierarchy for Devi's incarnations?

Before knowing about hierarchy of incarnation of Devi, it is necessary to know about hierachy of Devi herself (with respect to other Gods). So, to explain this I have divided the answer to this question to several parts: 1) Explanation from Absolute Level: Below is the explanation from the abso...

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - Yeah ,ab aaya samaz me "Uma is Brahma-Vidya" , impressive explanation 👍👍👍👍👍 already gone through , but again will read in later time throughly 😊

Rakesh Joshi

@Tezz do you accept Lalita sahasranama ?

Tezz

@RakeshJoshi why to reject Lalita Sahasranama?.. it is one of my favourite Stotra...

Rakesh Joshi

it says "brahma janani"

Tezz

10:33 AM

@SwiftPushkar actually the name Uma is formed of letter 'U' 'Ma' 'Aa' and om is made of 'Aa' 'U' 'Ma' ... that's why Uma is called Pranava Dwanda Rupini... (ie . Who represents two forms of Pranava'... )..

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The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi lalitha Sahasranamam is only Sahasranama in which names are not repeated.

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer since he quoted i asked if he indeed believes that lalita is "brahma janani" or just quoting for "Reps"

Rickross

Who is rakesh joshi to say that accept this and reject that..Btw i am joking to an extent :D

After a longtime i have downvoted..feels somewhat weird :P

@SreeCharan This is what u have said in a comment-@Rickross Smritis doesn't only mean dharma shastras. The word smriti is used more. Smriti means which is rememberd. So puranas are also smritis. See this post

Rakesh Joshi

@Rickross i didnt get you?

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Being a Shakti Devotee, i wonder how you can reject such as beautiful Sahasranama.

Tezz

10:47 AM

@Rickross which answer..?

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer i accept that lalita is brahma janani but do you people believe as well ? :)

Rickross

@Tezz Shall i tell that openly? ;D

@SreeCharan hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/16510/4732 see this answer

Tezz

@Rickross haha... no need...😀😀

The Destroyer

@RakeshJoshi Obviously yes. Lalitha means literally the one who plays Leela.

Rakesh Joshi

@TheDestroyer so you believe something beyond brahman ?

Rickross

10:50 AM

@SreeCharan Both the Devi Bhagavtam and the Vyasa Smriti mention the Puranas and the Smritis differently..Both say when conflicts appear between the two acceot what the Smritis say and reject what the Puranas say..Then how can u say the Puranas are Smritis?

Rakesh Joshi

@Rickross if smritis and puranas have contradictions with vedas then how come people say puranas are pancham veda or puranas explain vedas?

@Rickross acccept or reject what

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Rickross

@TheDestroyer There used to be an user called Krishna..What happened to him ?Is he banned?

The Destroyer

@Rickross No need to feel wierd if you downvote. Downvote means you don't agree.

Tezz

@Rickross he left the site....

The Destroyer

@Rickross No. He deactivated his account as he used harsh words against Parthasarathy Raghavan, who is fellow Sri vaishnava.

As per their philosophy, it is Bhagavat Aparatham.

Rickross

10:54 AM

@TheDestroyer Ok..BTW if i want to notify some user from here will they get notified if i use @their username?

Tezz

Feb 18 at 18:01, by Keshav Srinivasan

Sep 25 '16 at 17:46, by Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz @TheDestroyer Krishna criticized some of Parthasarathy Raghavan's questions about Balarama and the like, and Parthasarathy Raghavan didn't like that and argued with him. Krishna was worried that if he continued arguing with Parthasarathy Raghavan he would be committing Bhagavata Apacharam (offending a fellow Vaishnava). So he decided to quit the site.

Rickross

@Tezz Ok

Tezz

@Rickross ^^^

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - oh , grt info 👍👍 A star to this comment ✡

Tezz

@SwiftPushkar great information about which thing.. ?..

Rickross

10:55 AM

Ok but that excuse sounds lame to me :D..Instead of leaving the site alltogether he cud have simply stopped arguing with the other user..

The Destroyer

@Rickross Only if they talked in this room recently. Not all users.

Rickross

@TheDestroyer Oh ok..Thanks..

SwiftPushkar

@Tezz - Uma ,pranava dwanda rupini

Tezz

@Rickross it was a fun to argue with him... I argued with him twice...

@SwiftPushkar Oh ok... Thanks!...

The Destroyer

@Tezz @Rickross Yeah. I used to get serious with him sometimes.

SwiftPushkar

10:58 AM

Will be back in 🔙🔄 some time...

Tezz

@TheDestroyer haha yes... 😀😀

Rickross

@Tezz Ok..for me its like banging ur head against the wall..:D Eventually it will be ur head which will bleed..:P

@RakeshJoshi Sorry i am not into polemics using Shastras.

Tezz

@Rickross yeah... similar... but in both of our debates we came to healthy ending... 😀😀

Rakesh Joshi

@Rickross what i m asking and what you are replying ?

Rickross

@TheDestroyer @Tezz @RakeshJoshi Bye for the time being..catch u later..

The Destroyer

11:01 AM

@Tezz Haha. For me no healthy results. User Krishna can't see other Devas in good light, especially Shiva. See he interprets Mahadeva in ramayana with Varuna.

Rickross

@RakeshJoshi Oh really..i will revisit ur mssgs later :)

Tezz

@Rickross Ok bye... see you again...

The Destroyer

@Rickross Rakesh Joshi is against Vedanta and he is more into Agama. He is stauch critic of Adi Shankara.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Virodhi Bhakti😀😀...

Rickross

BTW The Destroyer u are doing a great job as MOD..:) i have seen ur recent thread on META..

@TheDestroyer Ok..Vedanta the philosophy or Upanishads?

@Tezz Yes bye..

The Destroyer

11:04 AM

@Rickross Thanks! we all (Mods) decided to revise rules as some rules are unclear and moreover community as a whole should decide rules.

The Destroyer

12:59 PM

@Tezz @KeshavSrinivasan Why we rejected teachings of Buddha? As he didn't believe in Vedas?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Yes same reason... also doctrines of Anatman etc.. and so on..

The Destroyer

1:12 PM

@Tezz Is Sastra Pramana highest in Vedanta?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer when something can't be deduced by Pratakshya Pramana (like law of Karma) then one should look Sabda Pramana for final knowledge....

The Destroyer

@Tezz Ohh. how pratyaksha is law of Karma? Pratyaksha not personal experiences?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer one can't say that Law of Karma is 100% right through personal experiences.. we need authority of Sabda Pramana on this...

The Destroyer

@Tezz between pratyaksha and Sabda, which is preferred in Vedanta?

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Sabda Pramana (of Vedas) is the final authority because Pratakshya experience can be illusory also...

Sep 29 '16 at 17:17, by Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz But the point is, no matter how much information you have about your past actions, it will never be enough to prove or disprove the law of karma. So because it is beyond the realm of what can be proven through Pratyaksha Pramana, it is a subject that can be known through Sabda Pramana.

The Destroyer

1:18 PM

@Tezz Ok.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Keshava and me discussed about how law of karma cant be approved by Pratakshya Pramana... see above discussions....^^^

Sep 29 '16 at 17:18, by Keshav Srinivasan

@Tezz There is a hierarchy of Pramanas. Anumana Pramana is only applicable to things which cannot be known through Pratyaksha Pramana. Sabda Pramana is only applicable to things which cannot be known through either Pratyaksha Pramana or Anumana Pramana.

The Destroyer

@Tezz Ok. I will see. I think we can move your chat to discussions. It's easy to fetch.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer what is meant by that... moving chat to discussions?..

The Destroyer

@Tezz We can move some chat messages to discussions.

For example, if we discuss about a topic continuously.we can name those messages as discussion on a "topic A" or something. Later, it can be referred easily.

Tezz

@TheDestroyer Oh ok... I understand it now..

The Destroyer

1:25 PM

Suman asked his question again.

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Q: what to do when vow has broken by a person?

What to do when vow has broken by a person? Can any prayaschit is there for breaking a vow??? Here the vow maker taken a vow without knowing anything about it. Now what kind of punishment must the aspirant undergo for the breakage of such vow???

vishnu-purana hindu-unity

Tezz

@TheDestroyer haha lol..

There are Prayaschits for every Karmas. You need not to be so afraid concerning it... — Tezz 23 secs ago

The Destroyer

@Tezz or he can go now to temple immediately.

Rickross

1:45 PM

@RakeshJoshi The first reject/accept comment was meant for Destroyer who said u supposedly told that Lalita Sahasranama shd be rejected..The 2nd reject/accept comment was for Sree Charan..

@RakeshJoshi There are some contradictions only not many..possibly they are only apparent..possibly they are hinting towards two different things..For the most part all Shastras like the Smritis,Puranas etc are Veda Moolak (which have Vedas as their roots)..

@RakeshJoshi BTW i have asked a Q on the Shabar mantras..U may have a look at it..I think u are a mantra vaadi..:)

@TheDestroyer But i don't think its right to downvote whn u simply disagree..Ideally one shud downvote(an answer) only when one knows for sure that answer is wrong..Isn't it?

In any case i prefer to follow the Ahimsa VAAdi path when it comes to down voting..:D

Pandya

2:02 PM

@Rickross Namaskaram. Yes, I remember your answer on Sabar Mantra. So, are all the Sabar mantras related to Nath Sampradaya?

Rakesh Joshi

@Rickross this is not new ... every one tries to prove their sect as vedic ... to make it look more authentic. even many smriti kaaras would have done the same ..

even the so called vaishnava agama people are also trying to validate them by tracing them to the vedic shakhas !!

The Destroyer

2:22 PM

But that's what many people do on this site. if they disagree with your interpretation. they downvote it. But offcial rules say "When should I vote down?

Use your downvotes whenever you encounter an egregiously sloppy, no-effort-expended post, or an answer that is clearly and perhaps dangerously incorrect.

You have a limited number of votes per day, and answer down-votes cost you a tiny bit of reputation on top of that; use them wisely."

So, we should follow the same way. karma should work.

hinduism.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/vote-down

Rickross

3:04 PM

@Pandya Yes they are apparently..but i am not an expert on this topic..I actually want to know if these mantras need regular initiation or not..I think they shd need Deeksha coz they are also part of a Sampradaya..

@Pandya Same to u :)

Tezz

@Rickross I think we can find it in the books related to Natha Sampradayas...

Rickross

@RakeshJoshi I don't differentiate between Scriptures so i don't see one as inferior to other etc..Parameswara creates all Shastras depending on our need..So i don't think there is any need to do that..But u r right..people r trying to prove,for eg, that the panchratra agama achamana is a Vedic one..now this is laughable..Its the same if i say that the Srividya Tatva achamana(Atma Tatvam Shodayami swaha one) is Vedic achamana..

@Tezz Yes ..so if someone has read any of those books he can answer my question..

The Destroyer

@SreeCharan What is the name of the acharya in this video?

Should we offer Mokku only in the temple we wished for? || Dharma sandehalu || Bhakthi TV

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anuvaramban

@Rickross Do you not differentiate between Shruti and Smriti as well? I'm curious to know

Chinmaya B

3:54 PM

@Rickross @RakeshJoshi If you keep aside your fanatic thoughts you can see that sage narayana himself converted ekayana shakha into pancharatra agamas to preserve it

The Destroyer

4:33 PM

@ChinmayaB fanatic thoughts? How are they fanatic? What is fanatic in their thoughts? BTW, if they really belonged to vedic Sakha, that would be well known to all Scholars and every Hindu would alone worship Vishnu as Supreme as they belonged to Vedas, and i don't think Adi Shankara would reject Pancharatra Agamas.

Ekam Sat vipra Bahuda vadanti.

anuvaramban

@Rickross @TheDestroyer Is not the statement "now this is laughable" rooted in fanaticism?

@ChinmayaB ^^

@TheDestroyer making indefensible statements that attempt to discredit without acceptable evidence is indeed a form of fanaticism. I don't think there can be much disagreement in this.

The Destroyer

@anuvaramban Well, then citing without evidence they belong to Vedic Sakha is also fanaticism.

@anuvaramban btw, fanaticism is showing excessive zeal towards a particular phiosophy or interpretation. But i don't think above statement of Ricross is fanatical. It may not be respectful.

Chinmaya B

@TheDestroyer Narayanopanishad, Purusha Suktam say Shriman Narayana is only bramhan. I will provide you evidence I am.not a self proclaimed pundit like many people here so I need to find evidence

anuvaramban

@TheDestroyer so you accept my definition of fanaticism to make your first statement but don't accept the very same defintion in the second statement!

The Destroyer

@ChinmayaB Sri Rudram says Girisha, Shipivishta and Meedustama . So, even i can cherry pick verses to prove Supremacy of Shiva.

Chinmaya B

4:46 PM

@TheDestroyer Doing apman of pancharatra traditional is equal to disrespect of vaishnavism That is Fanatic stuff

anuvaramban

@TheDestroyer The same argument can be used to question the shruti nature of the vedas, i do not think your argument thus is valid in this sense.

The Destroyer

Girsisha is Rudra, Shipisvihsta is Vushnu and Meedustama is Brahma.

Chinmaya B

@TheDestroyer Shiva is greatest bhagwata no offense to a guru who follows Vaishnava parampara. Ahirbudhnya is an avatar of shiva who is one of the rishis of pancharatra samhita known as ahirbudhnya samhita

@TheDestroyer hrischa te laxmischa patnyoho ahoratre parshve nakshatrani rupam ashvino vyaataama... narayana is only bramhan

The Destroyer

@ChinmayaB We have discussed this many times. We should say intepretation. Saying Vedas say Narayana is alone Brahman is wrong. We should say "vaishnavas believe Narayana is Supreme". I can cherrypick thousands of verses from vedas and apply without any context and claim Superiority of Rudra.

@ChinmayaB Rudra is truly one; for the knowers of Brahman do not admit the existence of a second, He alone rules all the worlds by His powers. He dwells as the inner Self of every living being. After having created all the worlds, He, their Protector, takes them back into Himself at the end of time. [Svetasvatara Upanishad 3.2]

RUDRA IS ONLY BRAHMAN>

anuvaramban

@TheDestroyer This is basically a false equivalency - Vaishnava Agamas as far as historical memory is concerned has always been associated with a Vedic Sakha. Is this even true for Shaiva Agamas? Given the absence of evidence of the kind you are suggesting, it is not a laughable claim at least as far as Vaishnava Agamas are in consideration.

Rickross

4:52 PM

@anuvaramban No it is rooted in knowledge if i can say that..That Agamas are different from Sruti is a fact known to me ..I may not be knowing so many of other things but i know this much..I am surprised that some of u are seeing my post from that perspective..

anuvaramban

@TheDestroyer please by all means cherry pick, we can see if it stands scrutiny in the right context.

The Destroyer

@anuvaramban Vedas are standard scriptures. Every school of Hinduism revers them. Now one school can't claim there is a shakha for Pancharatra Agamas.

Rickross

@anuvaramban I don't differentiate in this sense-all Shastras are there for a purpose..All of them are orders of God..to discuss the supremacy of one over other is like bossing over God..

The Destroyer

@anuvaramban If there was really a Shakha, other school should agree with them.

How can other schools don't know this?

Rickross

@TheDestroyer Agama is different from Sruti..This is common knowledge..So,that is enough to prove my point..

The Destroyer

4:55 PM

@anuvaramban You can read yourself and understand.

anuvaramban

@TheDestroyer but given its historically proven track record of being claimed as descended from Vedic Sakha, it is far more plausible connection than as compared to Shaiva Agamas which cannot make even such a claim since historic memory doesn't back it. Thus anumana dictates the connection exists.

@TheDestroyer please give reference for the verse you quoted, i would like to see its context.

The Destroyer

@anuvaramban You are already assuming that memory is true and making the point.

@anuvaramban I don't remember the scripture. i think it's commentary by a Vaishanva Acharya.

anuvaramban

@TheDestroyer On the contrary, the silence of other sects can be seen an indication that this connection is verily truth. The point is calling historical memory as something to laugh at is disrespectful towards Vedas as well.

@TheDestroyer Too vague.

The Destroyer

@anuvaramban Nityanada says there is Shiva Samhita in VEdas which is source of all Shaiva Agamas. He calls Vedaagamas. You can see the video of Rajiv malhotra and Swami Nityanada. But i have the same Skepticism about this claim.

anuvaramban

@Rickross that still doesn't answer the question to be honest.

The Destroyer

5:00 PM

@anuvaramban You can check this room. Keshav gave me link.

let me search.

Rickross

@anuvaramban Which question ?

Seeker

Shaiva Agamas were given by Lord Shiva & Vedic verses by seers. Do you believe Lord Shiva any low than Vedic seers?

anuvaramban

@Rickross Are you saying Shruti and Smriti have equal claim because they are both scriptures

The Destroyer

@Rickross Do you know any Shiva Samhita in Vedas other than Shiva Samhita of Yoga?

anuvaramban

@Seeker Do the shaiva agamas not revere the vedas? Are you saying Shiva disrespects the vedas now?

Seeker

5:03 PM

@anuvaramban Shaiva Agamas doesn't conflict Vedas. Shaiva Agamas are to Vedas is what programming languages to Algorithms.

The Destroyer

@anuvaramban Again, you are believing interpretation as Vedas itself. You should be clear. interpretation or true meaning of Vedas? Shiva won't disrespect any Vedas.

Seeker

And we already have lost many branches of Vedas, so we should accept every authentic eternal knowledge as Vedic.

Rickross

@anuvaramban I am not differentiating between them like u are doing..I am saying all are important in their context because all of them creation of Parameswara..But that Sruti is more authoritative than Smriti is well known..

anuvaramban

@Seeker @TheDestroyer Then why make such claims in the comment this is replying to?

The Destroyer

@anuvaramban Ekam Sat Vipra Bahuda Vadanti. It is very clear.

anuvaramban

5:05 PM

@Rickross How to interpret the first line of your linked comment otherwise

Rickross

@anuvaramban I don't know what knowledge u have about Agamas..but Agamas are not Srutii(i.e Vedas) but they don't contradict Vedas too..(for the most part)

anuvaramban

to quote your earlier comment, "@RakeshJoshi I don't differentiate between Scriptures so i don't see one as inferior to other etc"

@Rickross

Seeker

Vedas include all changeless eternal knowledge, we should either accept all eternal changeless knowledge as Vedic or accept Vedas are not complete. In formar case, we are no more left with Agamic rivalry.

anuvaramban

@TheDestroyer then please provide reference to the Vaishnava Acharya you were earlier referring to

Rickross

@TheDestroyer No ..But NO Agamas are part of any Vedas..they are different Shastras..Otherwise why wud they have a different name? And this apply to all Agamas..Agamas are not Sruti text..

The Destroyer

5:08 PM

@anuvaramban It's Vedanta Desikan Commentary which shows Supremacy of Vishu. You can search this room or ask Yogi or Keshav.

anuvaramban

@Rickross Again that is your claim, it has no historical backing in the same sense of historical memory as Pancaratra!

Rickross

@anuvaramban Yes that's exactly my opinion..

The Destroyer

@anuvaramban Different people differ on status of Agamas. Some say they are Sruti but some don't consider them as Sruti.

Rickross

@anuvaramban No it isn't merely my claim..Its more or less COMMON KNOWLeDGE>..Agamas are not Sruti..

Seeker

@Rickross if Agamic knowledge is true & separate from Vedas at the same time, doesn't it imply then Vedas are not complete?

anuvaramban

5:12 PM

@Rickross then why do you say that it is laughable claim when no contradiction is found in any text regarding the historical claim that pancaratra agamas are associated with a vedic sakha just because no such claim is found with Shaiva Agamas?

Rickross

@Seeker Yes, you can say like that...But Agamas are also considered as the essence of the Vedas just like the Upanishads are..But the Agamas are of special importance in Kali Yuga..Because supposedly Vedic mantras are not working in this age..

The Destroyer

@anuvaramban btw, if you see that commentary in future, i suggest you to read, neutral commentary of Sri Rudram before that commentary. Or atleast read meaning of Sri Rudram without any commentary/

Seeker

Even Vedas don't mention theory on Yug cycles. If Yug theory is true, it also implies Vedas are incomplete as Vedas don't mention this eternal true knowledge.

The Destroyer

@Seeker Seeker, Vedas are like blue prints. They don't mention particular things such as Yugas, kalpas. kalpa is understood as previous cycle in Vedas.

Seeker

Yes @Rickross I too believe the same but Moreover I haven't found any Shaiva Agama yet in conflict with the Vedas. I think Vedas are incomplete in Kaliyuga

Rickross

5:14 PM

@anuvaramban That was laughable because Agamas are not Sruti and that achamana is nowhere to be found in the Vedas..But there are indeed Vedic achamana mantras..I know a few of them..

Seeker

Yes @TheDestroyer I think the same. Agamas are expansion of Vedic knowledge.

Rickross

@Seeker Yes Veda mantras are not working now..that's why Parameswara created the Agamas..I have read somewhere that Veda mantras will only work in a country where cows are not slaughtered..Now,that is reason enough to know why Vedas are like poison less snakes in Kali..

@Seeker Agamas don't contradict the Vedas..

The Destroyer

@anuvaramban Let me tell you what many people do. Few people put objective thinking, rest of them support their philosophies in which they are born. But i am not against it. That's their Swadharma. Swadharma is important than Paradharma. But problem arises when they impose their philosophies on others. Like, ambiguous statemnts, which say, Vishnu alone is Brahman and All Veda mantras inherently worship Vishnu. they should rather say it as interpretation than actual facts.

That's the reason i asked to add perspective in answers when i joined this site in intial days

@anuvaramban btw, Sanskrit doesn't have proper nouns. All names in Sanskrit are attributes. You can verify this statement with any Sanskrit Scholar.

Rickross

@anuvaramban My opinion on this topic(Sruti-Smriti) coincides with what Sri Chandrasekhara Swaraswati Swami has to say in his book :kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part15/chap8.htm

Rakesh Joshi

5:46 PM

@Rickross this is tricky point ... that not ALL THE shastras are genuine ... many of them are man made or written wrongly on someone's name .

@ChinmayaB this is not fanatism but ISKCON have made many fanatics instead ...

Krishn Shweta

@RakeshJoshi Namaste!!!

Rakesh Joshi

@Rickross so does this mean there was no agamas in previous yugas or were agamic procedires not followed?

Krishn Shweta

@RakeshJoshi my father also worship Shakti. He believe in Maa Durga a lot

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