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2:00 AM
I actually was reading up on finitists and ultrafinists, recently.
 
There is the weird case of the Dehornoy braid group ordering being inspired by weird cardinal thingies, but I dunno if that's so direct
 
They're whole thing is that axioms should be motivated by what we see in the real world and we don't technically see infinite objects in the real world, and so we shouldn't have axioms that allow for infinite mathematical objects
 
choice is useful
 
The whole thing of caring about whether a branch of math is "useful" reminded me of that
 
My understanding for the Dehornoy order is, some symbolic manipulation involved in solving a set-theoretic question appeared coincidentally similar to the braid group relations
 
2:02 AM
and Cantor's theorem is useful for proving the intricate inequality $n<2^n$ for natural $n$
 
Lol!
Set theorists should actively look for analogies between the infinite cardinal world and finitistic objects
That could be useful in the sense of, "If we could use this approach to prove this finite theorem, then the translation of the approach would prove this transfinite theorem which is known to be false and/or independent of ZFC, thus this approach won't work to prove the finite theorem"
One of the most powerful thing you can do in math is to show that an approach won't work, so you know not to waste time looking there
Like trying to prove something about a manifold, but without using the Hausdorff separation axiom
If it's not true of non-Hausdorff spaces in general, then your approach won't work
I still need to understand Dehornoy though
 
what math are you thinking about nowadays Akiva
 
Set theory, like category theory, is directed towards figuring out the building blocks of other branches of math. At least in my mind.
 
@SohamChowdhury Not nearly enough of it
I just took a class in linear algebra and real analysis though
(aka Ted's book)
 
set theory is way more ... insular than category theory, which has at some level (in practice) the goal of c o n s u m i n g other branches of math
 
2:08 AM
But I had a graph theory problem on my mind for a while
(See my last Math SE post)
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Q: Graph conjecture. Is $|\sum(-2)^{F+C}|$, summed over spanning subgraphs, a power of two?

Akiva WeinbergerWhile playing with some ideas in graph theory, I stumbled onto this conjecture: If $G$ is a planar graph and $H$ is a spanning subgraph (a subgraph with the same vertex set), let $F_H$ be the number of faces of $H$, and let $C_H$ be the number of connected components of $H$. Then: $$\sum...

 
oops didnt mean to post it without inverting
stupid me
 
shh
 
@SohamChowdhury I also watched some videos on the Poincaré conjecture and exotic spheres but I can't say I understood the technical details
 
Yeah, I suppose so. Set theory takes the approach of "strip away all the extra rules and just look at the things underneath it all" whereas Category theory takes the approach of "look at the whole thing, extra rules and all."
 
I oughta learn Ricci flow
 
2:11 AM
neat
 
I still like knot theory but I haven't learned much of it for a while
There's connections to "quantum groups" which I don't know what they are
or why they're worth looking at (or why they're connected to physics)
@SohamChowdhury Also I convinced myself I understood how to prove Gödel's Theorems (whether that's actually true is another question)
 
when the power series is in q instead of x or t it's quantum, otherwise it's not, silly
 
@SohamChowdhury Ah.
 
2:15 AM
i've been learning some complex analysis
 
I oughta (please don't count up how many times I've said I oughta learn something in the past hour) learn Riemann surfaces
 
gonna try to learn about modular forms and/or riemann surfaces after i'm comfortable with the basics
lmao
 
I recommend the textbook by [EDIT: David Tall and] Ian Stewart
Also Visual Complex Analysis (I didn't finish it but the parts I read were good)
 
for modular forms the complex analysis book i'm reading has its second half devoted entirely to elliptic functions/modular forms/analytic NT
and then maybe i could jump into ram murty's problem-based MF book
visual complex analysis is neat
 
Elliptic functions are neat but they seem like magic because they rely on Riemann surfaces and those are magic
Fundamental Theorem of Complex Analysis: Any function which is remotely nice is constant
Corollary: Any two functions that look similar enough to each other are equal
Proof: Their difference looks nice
 
2:19 AM
fundamental theorem of real analysis: any theorem which seems nice and true (resp. any remotely nice class of functions) has at least one, incredibly contrived, counterexample (resp. nonexample)
 
Some fields of math are just sorting all obvious statements into "true" and "false"
Incidentally: I think the statement "Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes" is false
 
I wanted to check out Visual Complex Analysis this winter break in the hopes of finally understanding what a contour integral actually is
 
If you interpret it as "All humans have 23 chromosomes" then no, there are rare exceptions
 
@Soham modular forms are entirely magic
 
If you interpret it as "The Platonic ideal of human (or: a normal human, a healthy human) has 23 chromosomes", then there's no such thing
(which I guess actually makes it vacuously true)
 
2:22 AM
almost all humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes
"almost all" in this case meaning "all but finitely many", to be safe
 
Hah!!
@Thorgott You know how if you integrate backwards (Ex: $\int_1^0$) you get a factor of $-1$ times it?
Contour integrals are like that, but also if you integrate upwards you get a factor of $i$ times it
 
@AkivaWeinberger that's kinda true
 
Is that just analogy or related to orientation?
 
It's basically literally true
If $f:[0,1]\to\Bbb R$ is a real function then what's $\int_0^{-1}f(|x|)dx$
It's $-\int_0^1f(x)dx$
The minus sign is because, even though the values of $f(|x|)$ are the same if you slide $x$ from $0$ to $1$ or from $0$ to $-1$, you're going in the other direction
Similarly, $\int_0^if(|x|)dx$ is $i\int_0^1f(x)dx$
@Thorgott By "upwards" I mean "the path of the integral is moving upwards in the complex plane" (rather than just left or right like in real analysis)
The extra factor of $-1$ in the real analysis case comes from $dx$ being negative. The extra factor of $i$ in the complex analysis case comes from $dx$ being imaginary
Think of $\int_a^b1dx$ for complex numbers $a$ and $b$ (for any path between the two), and the Riemann sum definition of an integral. Justify to yourself that this should be $b-a$
Hint: $\sum(t_{i+1}-t_i)$ (this looks like adding a bunch of vectors head-to-tail in the complex plane)
 
2:44 AM
yeah, it telescopes
 
Why does $\oint x^{-1}dx=2\pi i$ (where the path of the integral is the unit circle)? Roughly: $x^{-1}$ is rotating clockwise and $dx$ is rotating clockwise
so the rotations basically cancel out, so their product is constant, and you basically end up adding $i\cdot|dx|$ for a length of $2\pi$
(The circle in $\oint$ means the path of integration is a loop)
Whoops: $x^{-1}$ is rotating clockwise and $dx$ is rotating counterclockwise
 
I was about to bring that up. It seems the contribution in the left direction and the right direction are each identically $0$ due to the symmetry around the imaginary axis. On the other hand, the downside contribution happens on the side with negative real part whereas the upside contribution happens on the side with positive real part, so the contributions match up, each equal to $\pi i$, and we get $2\pi i$ in total.
 
Yeah - opposite sides of the circle reinforce each other, not cancel each other out
 
Why do the rotations cancel out to $i$, though?
 
And if you stop partway - say $\int_1^{e^{i\theta}}x^{-1}dx$, along an arc of the unit circle, you get $i\theta$
@Thorgott Think of $x$ as changing over time, so at $t=0$ you have $x=1$ and at $t=2\pi$ you have $x=1$ again but it's gone around the circle
$dx/dt$ is the tangent vector, so it's rotating counterclockwise along with $x$
but what about $1/x$?
We can write $x=e^{it}$, so $1/x=e^{-it}$, which is basically traveling around the unit circle in the other direction
$dx/dt$ at $t=0$ is $i$, and $1/x$ at $t=0$ is $1$. So $(1/x)\frac{dx}{dt}=i\cdot1=i$
In general, $(1/x)\frac{dx}{dt}=e^{-it}(ie^{it})=i$
In fact we've basically just done a change of variables - $\oint x^{-1}dx=\int_0^{2\pi}e^{-it}(ie^{it}dt)=\int_0^{2\pi}i\,dt=2\pi i$
Honestly if you just started learning this stuff, understanding why $\int_a^b1dx$ is $b-a$ (and not, say, the length of the path between $a$ and $b$) is good enough
I mean, for me. If you're taking a test on this you might want to understand a bit more before the test comes around
but like I dunno if I would have ever learned this if I had the threat of a test looming over me
 
3:07 AM
Huh, the parametrization corresponds pretty directly to how the rotations cancel out. This also seems to illustrate how the contour integral can be thought of as the average of function value * tangent at that point over the path times its length (although that interpretation wasn't as intuitive to me). This is neat.
 
@Thorgott Incidentally
This isn't a contour integral (because the path stays in the real line) but consider $\int_0^{2\pi}e^{inx}dx$ for integer $n$
For $n=0$ this is $\int_0^{2\pi}1dx=2\pi$
I claim that, for all other integers, this equals $0$
 
makse sense, we walk around the circle $n$ times and the areas cancel out each walk
 
For example, for $n=1$, $\int_0^{2\pi}e^{ix}dx$ is basically the average of all points on the unit circle (times $2\pi$)
Yeah
So now if we look at $\oint x^ndx$, the contour integral around the unit circle
and let $x=e^{it}$
we get $\oint x^ndx=\int_0^{2\pi}e^{int}(ie^{it}dt)$
${}=i\int_0^{2\pi}e^{i(n+1)t}dt$, which is $0$ for $n\ne-1$ and $2\pi i$ for $n=-1$
This is one explanation for why $\oint x^{-1}dx$ is nonzero but all other $\oint x^ndx$ is zero
The other explanation? The fundamental theorem of calculus still holds for contour integration: $\int_a^bf'(x)dx=f(b)-f(a)$
When $n\ne-1$, the function $x^n$ has the antiderivative $\frac1{n+1}x^{n+1}$
and $\oint$ is basically a fancy way of writing $\int_1^1$
so, because we have an antiderivative, the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus assures us that the path doesn't matter, and we end up with $\frac1{n+1}1^{n+1}-\frac1{n+1}1^{n+1}=0$
Why doesn't this work for $x^{-1}$? Because it has no antiderivative on the complex plane (or I suppose $\Bbb C\setminus\{0\}$)
because you can't continuously define $\ln$ over the entire complex plane (even excluding zero)
because if you could, we'd have $0=\ln(1)=\ln(e^{2\pi i})=2\pi i$
 
3:24 AM
the existence of a continuous log branch on a domain is equivalent to the existence of an antiderivative of $x^{-1}$ on the domain. you can use the other direction to construct two continuous log branches that have non-constant difference on their non-empty intersection by choosing two "sausages" that together contain the unit circle and then the non-constant difference is a consequence of the non-vanishing of the $x^{-1}$ integral (tangential, but it's cool)
I guess the intuitive explanation of the vanishing of the integral for $n\neq-1$ in vein of the above would be that the functions clockwise rotation is now faster or slower (depending on whether n is positive or negative) than the counterclockwise rotation of x, so they dont cancel out and since $n$ natural, we get a full multiple of either clockwise or counter-clockwise rotations and those cancel each.
 
@Thorgott So the intersection is disconnected?
@Thorgott Yeah
 
yes, necessarily
 
Right, just making sure I have the right picture
 
anyway, I'll go to sleep now, thanks for the conversation.
 
4:07 AM
@Ultradark
 
 
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5:31 AM
There is an account I use to use here, but it was linked to a fb account. I deleted the fb account and lost access to the account.
I sent a message to support wondering if they could merge it with my new account, providing a list of emails I used, but they couldn't help me
So there's nothing that can be done for an account that was linked to a fb account and deleted?
 
6:02 AM
No idea. Sorry :/
 
 
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8:15 AM
In line 4 of the answer to this question. what are the new brackets intended to represent? mathoverflow.net/questions/167940/…
 
 
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9:50 AM
@AkivaWeinberger T R I G G E R E D
I'm not very familiar with the Dehornoy order but another example where large cardinals are surprisingly related to small objects are Laver tables @Akiva
The $n$-th Laver table is the "multiplication table" of a weird operation on a $2^n$ elements set. If you look at the first row of the $n$-th table it is always periodic, let $f$ be the function mapping $n$ to the length of this period. The only known proof that $f$ diverges (but incredibly slowly) assumes the existence of an $I_3$ cardinal which is an incredibly strong assumption, very close to outright inconsistency
 
10:47 AM
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Q: Convexity and Quasi convexity

maths studenti) Is the following function defined with $\mathrm{x}_{1}>0, \quad \mathrm{x}_{2}>0$ quasiconvex? Is it also strictly convex? In each case, provide a full explanation. $$ \mathrm{C}=\mathrm{C}\left(\mathrm{x}_{1}, \mathrm{x}_{2}\right)=3 \mathrm{x}_{1}^{4}+5 \mathrm{x}_{2}^{2} $$ I guess for thi...

 
11:12 AM
What is history of polynomials? We study in uni their theory and how to find roots, but what really motivated to find x in $x^2+5x=6$ ? I've read that it is related to finding side of the field with given area. But what about cubics ?
 
11:23 AM
@Adam the ideal generated by an element
if you mean the $\langle$ angle brackets $\rangle$ here
 
11:35 AM
mostly it seems the ancients were interested in maths for its own sake too, not just for solving concrete real-life problems
> The problem of doubling the cube involves the simplest and oldest studied cubic equation
lmao
 
12:22 PM
@SohamChowdhury thanks so what is in those brackets is to be considered the ideal number for the ideal $J$?
 
12:50 PM
hey guys, I think I remember seeing a multivariate calculus book that had stereograms in its figures. Can someone confirm i'm not making this up, and remind me what its called?
(a stereogram is a picture you stare at cross-eyed to see a 3D picture)
 
1:00 PM
my latex just stopped rendering in the blank question form what's an alternative site
 
1:20 PM
@CalvinKhor I know I’ve personally looked at a mathematical physics book like that
Morse and Feshbach
 
! @Semiclassical that could be it, thanks!
 
What does "the Lorentz representation $(1, {1\over 2})$" mean ?
 
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Q: Linear Algebra and probability

maths studentFor a linear system $(m=4, n=2)$ made up of random numbers, what is the probability, roughly, that the system has one solution? For a linear system with $m=n=2$ made up of random numbers, what is the probability, roughly, that the system has no solution? For second question I think probability ...

 
2:00 PM
Let $z \in \mathbb{C}$ find the answer to the equation

$z^2 + iz - \frac{10}{4} = 0$

Using the PQ-Formela one gets $ \frac{-i}{2} \pm \frac{i. (11)^{1/2}}{2} $
Does one stop here and say $z$ = what was just mentioned or does one need to do further calculations?

Thanks!
 
Orb
2:16 PM
Hi
 
Is it true that any two planes embedded in $x-y-z$ space will intersect in a straight line?\
 
No? you can have two planes that are parallel and never intersect
if however any two planes DO intersect then their intersection will be a straight (thus infinite points)
Or they are the same (also infinite points with every point in a plane is in the other )
 
why intersection is straight line?
 
Try to construct two any two none identical planes that do intersect, you will see that their intersection is a straight. I do not know how to proof this mathematically.
 
thanks
 
2:30 PM
^^
 
For a linear system (m=4,n=2) made up of random numbers, what is the probability, roughly, that the system has one solution?
 
ok I could actually answer that but it would take like an hour or so besides you didn't specify what type of numbers
what do you mean by m=4 and n=2 don't make lazy questions
 
3:09 PM
Probably means a system of four equations in two variables (or two equations in four variables?)
The question then becomes "choosing values at random, what is the probability that the system will be linearly dependent and a vector of numbers, also chosen at random, is not a valid solution for this system of equations?"
 
dont encourage very low effort questions by hypothesising about what they might mean
 
In which case, the answer is "Depends how you're choosing these value 'at random'" @mathsstudent
 
Hi all
 
Heya Meg
 
Hiya @Rithaniel :)
I just went to the town hall to register myself (which you should do within 2 weeks of moving in) 3 months late, pretended to not be able to speak German to get out of a fine lmfaooo
Pulling the foreigner card
 
3:17 PM
Ooooh, sneaky Meg
 
Woopsie
 
lmao
isch spresche Doutsche nischt
entkuldigang
 
Didn't even go that far, I just went "hi sorry do you by any chance speak English? I haven't been here very long and my German is awful"
hides C2 certificate
 
isch sch**sse Igjognum
 
rofl
Edward, btw
 
3:20 PM
Ted III the First
 
hahaha
 
isch woune zu heidelberg
 
woulen zee mit mir tanzen
just speak dutch
 
I though Ted was short for Theodore
 
hahaha
@Rithaniel Ted is also often used for Edward
 
3:22 PM
Tedward
 
Ted ist ein männlicher englischer Vorname, meist als Kurzform der Vornamen Edward, Edwin oder Theodore.
"Ted is a male English name, usually as an abbreviation of Edward, Edwin, or Theodore"
 
Fair enough
 
does this make sense
i tried to flesh this out
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Q: Why is there no continuous square root function on $\mathbb{C}$?

BottsI know that what taking square roots for reals, we can choose the standard square root in such a way that the square root function is continuous, with respect to the metric. Why is that not the case over $\mathbb{C}$, with respect the the $\mathbb{R}^2$ metric? I suppose what I'm trying to ask i...

 
@LeakyNun you are actually not far away from where I live
 
i should stop overusing macros and rendering myself unable to paste stuff into this chat
either that or find a way to macroexpand :)
god i wish latex were just a package for some lisp
hi Balarka
 
3:25 PM
hi
 
Hi @Balarka
 
hi @Ig
 
what have you been up to
 
thinking about stratified spaces
 
what are those
unions of pieces in different dimensions?
 
3:27 PM
yeah, glued togather in a controlled way
 
topology of these spaces are highly annoying little pieces of nuisance
 
3:44 PM
either you're making yourself suffer, or you said meant "lovably annoying"
 
its a love hate thing
i have been writing something about them for some time now; i dont particularly enjoy it now that i realize how technical it is
 
sunk cost problems?
 
well
its just that i have a proof of what i wanted to prove (i hope, at least!)
but its so hard to write
 
did Dedekind start with Ring Theory or end with it? end right?
 
start what
 
3:48 PM
Like when he laid the foundations of Ring Theory, was that at the end of his stint or the first thing he did?
it's just Wikipedia don't always supply chronology to these things n I would find it interesting anyway
 
sounds like it's time to read a history of maths book then :D
i know stillwell has some
 
yeah this was the history section of the Wikipedia article but yes I should go to a library. Far out though the sheer genius of all the big names really hits you with this sinking feeling like why tf do even try when they were this incredible hundreds of years ago without computer aide
I mean the reason I want to know is because abstract algebra is killing me as in it doesn't come second nature and requires a shit load of effort and Im just worried that im too old to even make trying to learn it worth while
like it would be good news if I read that he conceived all of that hitting 40 and still living with mother. Its a long shot but who knows maybe home ownership was equally unrealistic then
oh well
 
4:09 PM
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@ÍgjøgnumMeg
 
4:25 PM
lmfao
 
4:47 PM
Reminder that this exists
 
5:05 PM
@SohamChowdhury lol
 
@TedShifrin I posted a long wiki not-an-answer to that question I referenced: math.stackexchange.com/a/3478619/137524
so hopefully someone will come up with a cleverer idea than me
(the fact that seemingly $j\propto u^{3/2}/\sqrt{3}$ is nice, especially since it seems to work with what numerics I have)
 
I'm looking at a mapping of the form $x\mapsto\frac{x}{1-\langle x,y\rangle}$ in $\mathbb{R}^n$, where $y$ is fixed and $\langle\cdot,\cdot\rangle$ denotes the scalar product. Does this have a name and/or geometric interpretation?
 
probably the easiest way to get a geometric interpretation is to restrict to n=3 and y=(0,0,1)
so that it's (x,y,z) -> 1/(1-z)
 
5:25 PM
I'm trying to think about how this maps the unit ball. The plane gets left fixed. The image is also certainly unbounded in the $z$ direction. Due to the restrictions on $x,y$ when $z$ approaches $(0,0,1)$, I'm imagine something conic-like, but I'm not sure.
 
If a taylor series of a function $f$ has only positive coefficients, what can we say about $f$?
 
This might be of interest to you: this
oh god, how do I un-butcher that link
 
That link makes me hate analysis even more
I'm an algebro
Welcome to BananaCats
Implementing a Coq IDE basically, with support for visuals
Later other systems could be plugged in such as Lean
You can open one of these or you can open just a diagram to draw
So if anyone wants to help...
 
5:46 PM
@Rithaniel Increasing for $x\ge0$?
 
Is that something we can say or another requirement?
 
Here's a neat one
$f(x)=\begin{cases}\cosh(\sqrt x),&x\ge0\\ \cos(\sqrt{-x}),&x\le0\end{cases}$
Graph it on Desmos. It's increasing for positive $x$ and too wavy for negative $x$
and also it's one function (one Taylor series, analytic)
 
Interesting
 
Im writing a little exam tommorow... and i have some problems to understand how to derive the Hesse normal form to calculate the distance of a vector to a plane... E: ((x-a) * n) / |n| why do we divide trough |n| ? Its returns the distance from x to the plane... But wouldnt this return the distance from the normalized vector n to the point x instead ?
 
I say "too wavy". It gets less wavy as you go out
 
5:50 PM
 
Perhaps we also add the requirement $1=\int_0^\infty f$
 
Is that even possible for a Taylor series with positive coefficients?
I mean $\int_0^\infty x^ndx=\infty$ for all $n$
You're adding a bunch of infinities
@genaray What is the relation between n and the plane
@Rithaniel Another thing we can say is that it grows faster than any polynomial
 
I'm trying to get a sense of joint distributions of two random variables, where one is discrete with values in $\mathbb{N}$ and the other is continuous with domain $(0,\infty)$ or $[0,\infty)$
This doesn't correspond to taylor series, is what I've learned, just now
 
The plane is the orange thing... n is the red vector which symbolizes the z axis... our point x is represented by the black vector arrow ( where the green marker points to )... no other values... the green marker represents the distance... :) The question here is why do we devide trough |n| ... wouldnt this return the distance b in the pic ?
And if so... isnt this the distance from our point x towards our normalized vector n instead of the distance from our point x towards the orange plane ( green arrow ) ?
 
One interpretation of the dot product x*n is, project x onto n and multiply by |n|
 

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