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9:00 PM
Oh I see.
 
Just a word, no big deal.
 
You must have $f(g(x)) = x$ and $g(f(x)) = x$ both for $g$ to be called the inverse of $f$, in which case we denote $g = f^{-1}$.
That's all
 
Don't think of the words, think of the idea, what is really happening...
 
The idea itself is intuitive, for sure.
critical reading skills are important I spose'
:P
 
When I think function, I think input elements becoming output elements.
 
9:02 PM
Yes.
 
When I think inverse function, I think output elements becoming input elements.
 
Does it follow that $f$ and $g$ are bijective?
 
and obviously $f^{-1}(f(x)) = x$
(this is $f^{-1} \circ f(x)$, right?)
@LeakyNun I haven't learned bijective yet :(
Daminark supplied some great supplementary lin alg readings though and some mention bijectiveness briefly, though.
 
@Dodsy Mhm.
 
All those injective, surjective, bijective will be exercises for you to work out. =D
 
9:04 PM
Just learned composition this week :D
you guises are so naice.
<3
 
Informally, a function takes input and gives output.
 
@Jasper formally?
 
More formally, a function is the set of ordered pairs.
 
I guess that actually an interesting thought then, that $f^{-1}(f(x)) = x$
 
@Jasper such that $\forall x \exists ! y : (x,y) \in f$
 
9:06 PM
How can you tell (algebraically) that a function has an inverse?
w/o seeing it's graph.
 
For example, if we consider f(x)=2x as a function on the real line, then formally the function is the set of all (x,2x)
 
@Dodsy solve the equation $f(y)=x$ for $y$ :p
 
In other words, formally, a function is its graph, LOL.
 
but what about $f(x)=x^2$
this function isn't one-to-one.
 
@Dodsy then it doesn't have an inverse because the solution isn't unique
 
9:07 PM
So is it about even/odd functions?
 
@Dodsy not all functions are even or odd
 
hm.
 
@Dodsy There's an issue about the domain of $f$. If you have defined it so that $f : [0, 1] \to [0, 1]$, $f(x) = x^2$, that does have an inverse. Just take the positive square root.
 
But different people may have slightly different definitions of functions even. Some will require the codomain to be equal for two functions to be equal.
 
But on the whole real line, that doesn't have an inverse because of what you said :)
 
9:08 PM
And some call the codomain the range, and call the range the image.
So there is some confusion in the different conventions used in terminology.
 
@BalarkaSen why don't non-one-to-one functions have inverses?
@Jasper D:
 
@Dodsy Ok, if $f$ is not one-to-one then there exists distinct $x \neq y$ such that $f(x) = f(y)$, right?
 
right.
continue Balarka, sorry.
 
@Dodsy how can something wrong make sense lol
 
But if there was an inverse $f^{-1}$ then $f^{-1}(f(x)) = f^{-1}(f(y))$ would have to hold.
Aka, $x = y$.
That's contradicting assumption.
 
9:10 PM
I see.
 
a graphical way to say this: suppose you've got the graph of a function like $y=x^2$.
 
a parabola
 
inb4 cantor staircase
 
with vertex of (0,0)
 
right. you can reflect this across the line $y=x$ if you just swap x and y i.e. $x=y^2$
 
9:11 PM
mhm
 
if you look at the resulting graph, though, it's not the graph of a function in x
 
inb4 thomae
 
because it's got two values in $y$ for every one value in $x$
 
its graph doesn't even look like a function
 
that'd be a weird graph.
 
9:12 PM
'Cuz if you take a vertical line $x = a$, the plot of $x=y^2$ hits that line twice.
 
I can't even imagine it.
 
now, you could restrict yourself to only the parts of the graph where $y\geq 0$ or $y\leq 0$
 
@Dodsy functions pass the vertical line test
 
@Dodsy It's just a parabola but 45 degree rotate from the upside down position.
 
Yes
 
9:13 PM
then both of those graphs would pass the vertical line test and so would be graphs of functions
 
so it's sideways?
 
Yup
 
right.
 
opening left or right?
oh I see.
Ah
so the inverse of a graph that does not pass the horizontal line test, does not pass the vertical line test
so isn't a function.
is that what you mean?
 
Exactly
 
9:14 PM
I'm not sure I'd call it the 'inverse' of the graph, but rather its reflection
 
I see!
 
I think that's semantics though.
 
Well set-theoretically the graph is the function
 
And passing the horizontal line test is the same as saying it's injective of course
 
I think I get the idea of it :) but the wording is important too.
@BalarkaSen oh is it? hm.
 
9:15 PM
@Daminark It's also a functor.
inb4 functor of points
 
How so?
 
lol
why do we want to have this discussion now
tfw someone asks you if something is a graph and you say it's a functor of points
 
Injective to me just means different values of x can't give you the same value of y, that's it.
Surjective just means every value of y is mapped from some value of x.
 
injective to me means "ugh, I can't remember whether I mean injective or surjective"
 
:o
haha
 
9:17 PM
(I remember one-to-one and onto just fine)
 
1-2-1
 
Rewriting equations into words is a great way of checking your understanding.
 
what kind of weird group can we get from ZF-C?
 
One to one and onto mess me up
It's too subtle
 
onto one
 
9:18 PM
my abstract algebra book argues that it is better called two-to-two
 
Bijective means both injective and surjective
 
i.e. it preserves distinctness
 
@LeakyNun the group that gives you an angry face for dropping choice
 
when I think of $\{x \in \mathbb{R}: [8,\infty)\}$ I say in my head "x is an element of real numbers such that x goes from 8 to infinity."
 
Sometimes, the term one-one correspondence is used for bijective, but usually in the case where there is some meaningful relation in this bijection, like the Fundamental theorem of Galois theory.
 
9:19 PM
@Dodsy that notation doesn't make sense
 
:o
 
maybe you mean $\{x \in \Bbb R: x \in [8,\infty)\}$
 
no
let me look
 
My favorite notation is $\{x:x\in\mathbb{R}\}$
Not wasteful at all
 
@Daminark but why?
 
9:20 PM
I'm using interval notation and set notation.
 
@Dodsy the notation you gave makes no sense
 
Hey! Anyone here in the chat room knows about pH calculations? (Stuck on a problem, will present proper effort.)
 
weird.
 
@Abcd just ask
 
@Abcd If by "here" you mean "the world", the answer is no :P
 
9:21 PM
@LeakyNun What if no one knows?
 
@Abcd hey Typhon.
 
@Abcd just ask
 
@Dodsy Hey Dodsy :) . I ain't Typhon. and I think @LeakyNun knows me well so he can verify that I am not Typhon.
 
Is abcd = typhon?
 
I think so.
@LeakyNun but I could say the domain of f is $(1,\infty)$
 
9:22 PM
@Abcd how do I know if you're Typhon
@Dodsy sure you can
 
what's the notation in set-builder?
 
@Dodsy we don't do that in set-builder
 
@Jasper No, I swear no.
 
hm.
 
we say $f:(1,\infty) \to \Bbb R$ (you probably don't need to know this notation for now)
 
9:23 PM
@Typhon These people think I am you :(
 
Salut @Ted
 
@Abcd I believe you.
 
Hello @TedShifrin
 
Hi Leaky, Abcd, Nate, Jasper ...
 
@Jasper Thanks.
 
9:24 PM
@Abcd, how are you stuck on pH?
 
@TedShifrin Typing...
 
@LeakyNun what about $\{x\in\mathbb{R}:(-\infty,-6)\cup(6,\infty)\}$
 
pH is fun
 
@Dodsy it doesn't make sense.
 
hm interesting
this is how my prof is teaching us set builder and disjoint intervals.
 
9:24 PM
It's just a very basic thing, Balarka.
 
the format is $\{x \in \text{some set}: \text{some condition satisfied by }x\}$
 
yeah but he says that the intervals are conditions.
 
I would gladly argue with him anytime
 
$\{f(x)\in\mathbb{R}:for\\all\\x\\\in[1,\infty)\}$
uh
I didn't meant to put these spaces.
So I'd have to write it
 
No, a function is not defined by set-builder notation.
 
9:26 PM
weird.
 
@TedShifrin it can be ;)
 
I wonder what the fuck is happening now.
 
@TedShifrin I like the whole theory surrounding equilibrium constants in general.
 
Only if you define a function as its graph (which is fine), but then you're just saying $\{(x,y)\in\Bbb R^2: y=f(x)\}$. Blah.
 
I memorised the structure of all the amino acids and monosaccarides in high school.
 
9:28 PM
@TedShifrin I'm just messing around and contradicting everyone lol
a function is a relation is a set
 
I liked learning thermodynamics using lots of multivariable calculus, Balarka. It made so much sense.
 
@LeakyNun so then $\{x\in\mathbb{R}:0<x <1\}=(0,1)$ is the best way to do it.
 
I wonder if @Abcd is retyping a whole book.
 
@Dodsy bingo
 
Wish I had a course like that in school.
 
9:28 PM
@LeakyNun thank you, seriously.
 
Take thermodynamics for chemists or physicists in university, Balarka.
So much of high school chemistry finally made sense.
 
Yeah I'll take math+physics in university hopefully.
 
I watched some IIT lectures on youtube @BalarkaSen, looks great.
 
thermodynamics is good stuff, yeah
 
@TedShifrin lol, still typing.
 
9:29 PM
@BalarkaSen I h8 physics assofar
 
if you're still doing kinematics, you haven't started doing physics yet
 
Nate: I highly recommend the mechanics book by Kleppner and Kolenkow. Written during the MIT course I took. Fabulous book.
 
@LeakyNun but I wasn't trying to argue, just trying to figure out how to format my assignment.
@TedShifrin sold!
 
@Semiclassical Like you say, physics begins with forces. =D
 
Nate: You love to argue.
 
9:30 PM
@Jasper right.
 
:o
Ted, when I go to Queens I will not invite you over now!
 
this is an old internet video, but i still dig it: youtu.be/USu8vT_tfdw
 
Well, let's skip forces and go right to Lagrangians.
 
LOL, Nate, why is that?
 
9:31 PM
Euler-Lagrange equations and Hamilton-Jacobi equations.
 
speaking of which i have to read organic chemistry
ugh
 
@TedShifrin just kidding ofc :)
 
That's a course I never took.
 
Organic chemistry studies the chemistry of organs, LOL.
 
Jasper, your humor is actually more tiresome than Demonark's.
 
9:33 PM
$2.05 g $ of sodium acetate was added to $100 ml$ of $0.1 M$ $HCl$ solution. Find the $H^+$ ion concentration of the resulting solution. If $6 ml$ of $1 M$ HCl is further added to it, what will be the new $H^+$ ion concentration.

Now, the questioner hasn't provided the dissociation constant of acetic acid but in many problems I solved before, it was $1.8* 10^{-5}$ so I used that.

Using law of equivalence,
15 milliequivalents of $CH_3COONa$ remain and 10 equivalents of $CH3COOH$ remain.

then,
 
A star for you, LOL.
 
@TedShifrin What a deflating remark.
 
Daminark has a noice sense of humor
 
Hello guys
 
It goes well with my style
 
9:34 PM
Semiclassic: If we prick it, does it not bleed?
No comment @Balarka.
 
looool
 
Typing for second part....
 
@Abcd: You have to learn to ask SHORT questions.
I don't want to read all that.
 
I have a question if some one is currently getting rude with me in one of the replies and having more than one account and making -ve votes to all my questions because I only said something he didn't like on meta. What can I do?
 
@TedShifrin Okay, sorry :(.
 
9:35 PM
Just seeing the huge rectangle makes me scared.
 
Typing the short question.
 
@Mour_Ka You may flag for moderator intervention.
 
Congratulations, @Abcd, you spent 20 minutes typing the first part of question which contains no mistakes.
 
what if he deleted his comments
I never saw a -ve comment that is ever removed by a moderator
-ve vote sorry
 
@Mour_Ka Then they are gone. Why bother?
 
9:36 PM
Moderators can see what's been deleted.
 
@LeakyNun :"(
 
because of the -ve votes on all my questions
he made a fault answering with two accounts and having double -ve vote on meta
 
@Mour_Ka If he downvoted many posts of yours and it is not detected by the script, flag a post for mod, that's all.
 
Ah ok turns out I only have to study nitrogen-containing compounds. Those are not bad.
 
@Balarka: Particularly if you want to be a good farmer.
 
9:37 PM
@Mour_Ka And finally to add, who cares about reputation points? Can't buy you anything.
 
$2.05 g $ of sodium acetate was added to $100 ml$ of $0.1 M$ $HCl$ solution. Find the $H^+$ ion concentration of the resulting solution. If $6 ml$ of $1 M$ HCl is further added to it, what will be the new $H^+$ ion concentration.

How do I do the second part? Using equivalence concept again? And then do I have to add the previous concentration?
@TedShifrin The question was short, I was explaining my attempt because that's compulsory .
 
Jasper, I have infinitely much rep, but it still bothers me when people behave erratically or out of grudge.
 
I agree Jasper but down voted is not on the top to be seen to answered if they are asked few days ago
 
Ohhh, that's what you meant by the second part.
 
@Mour_Ka Yes, which is why I said flag for mod.
 
9:38 PM
I flagged on meta and will flag my question with a comment
 
@Mour_Ka Just to add, many good answers on this site are at the bottom, and bad answers are at the top.
 
@LeakyNun I emailed my prof
I think I probably made an assumption.
but I'd like to see what he says.
 
@Ted hey!
 
So, @Abcd, what do we get when we put 100 ml of .1 M solution together with 6 ml of 1 M solution? Is that different from 160 ml of .1 M solution or 16 ml of 1 M solution?
Hi Demonark
 
Flags for Mour_Ka
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9:42 PM
Nate, don't be too much of a pain in the ass to your professor. Some professors don't like being bugged all the time :P
@Mour_Ka: Sounds like there's some dispute about whether your mathematics is actually correct.
 
@TedShifrin We get 6 equivalents in first case.
 
so some one said my formula is wrong and -ve voted, I replied that the formula is correct and showed the paper with reference, I flagged the question to check and then the moderator said we dont check the correctness of the math.
 
@Mour_Ka If it is just one vote, does it hurt that much?
 
@TedShifrin :o
 
Moderators definitely are not expected to be experts on everything being discussed.
 
9:44 PM
it is not Jasper, I got 3 today because of this incident.
 
@Abcd: I'm not used to the "equivalents" language.
 
@TedShifrin he said that he'll make time and not to worry about emailing him.
 
This is really bad experience I am getting here.
 
OK, Nate. That's great.
 
also I'm paying 4.5 k to attend this school :E
yeah my lin alg teacher won't answer at all tho.
 
9:45 PM
@Mour_Ka Yes, so if you think you have been downvoted serially, then just flag for mod and explain to them the situation, that's all.
 
Well, I was very attentive to my students, but some faculty aren't ... and they are not paid to respond to students around the clock. They are responsible to lecture class and hold 3 office hours a week.
 
@TedShifrin Oh, I see but I have been solving problems (and am supposed to solve) that way. It's okay Ted, leave it.
 
well I did, I just sent you the reply of the Mod. He is saying we dont check correctness of post (math).
 
Many of them are trying to maintain an active research program and are not willing to devote their entire time to undergraduates (even I wasn't willing to do that!).
 
@TedShifrin And the problem is that some of them give terrible lectures and terrible office hours as well.
 
9:46 PM
@TedShifrin But read this to know more: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivalent_(chemistry)
 
But saying "I pay to attend this university" makes 0 difference.
 
And in a reaction (balanced or unbalanced), all equivalents are equal.
 
@Mour_Ka Did you tell the mod about the serial downvote?
 
@Abcd, but you didn't answer my question. Can't you think of it as either of those combined solutions?
 
didnt get a reply on that yet
 
9:47 PM
@Mour_Ka Just wait, and if you think they did not get you, ask again.
 
@TedShifrin What do you mean?
 
@TedShifrin You're probably better equipped to understand the situation, I won't argue with you!
 
@Abcd: Hahaha ... I'm ancient and yet it says "It is an archaic unit of measurement that was used in chemistry and the biological sciences in the era before researchers knew how to determine the chemical formula for a compound."
 
@TedShifrin I know it's archaic but we are being taught that. It's there in our books too. I had a hard time understanding that concept.
 
I'm just trying to figure out how he wants me to format my assignment
 
9:48 PM
@Abcd: I'm referring to this thing I wrote up there. So, what do we get when we put 100 ml of .1 M solution together with 6 ml of 1 M solution? Is that different from 160 ml of .1 M solution or 16 ml of 1 M solution?
 
I might've misunderstood at some point.
 
@Mour_Ka I looked at your rep history. You only got 1 downvote today.
 
I deleted the other one
the one I got today, I just got it now from the mod himself
 
So there is only 1 downvote now, so what is the problem?
 
the one you saw I mean is just now from the mod. The other two I deleted the question
That is not including the ones in Meta :)
 
9:50 PM
I get downvoted all the time :(
 
@TedShifrin You will get 6 moles in first case.
 
Why do you delete the question and then complain about the downvote? @Mour_Ka
 
@Abcd I just assumed you were typhon because you asked me a lot of personal questions yesterday, sorry about that.
 
@Ted here it's even worse, many profs have 1 office hour a week
 
No comment, Demonark.
I don't understand, @Abcd. How do I get 6 moles?
 
9:51 PM
Because it was one comment with 2 negative votes, and the comment was mathematically wrong. The person who commented doesnt know what is argmin
 
Nate, Abcd is a young'un, and Typhon (with his many identities) is an older college student.
 
@Dodsy why? does typhon ask personal questions every time? Anyway, it's okay :).
 
@Mour_Ka Well, I think I have said all I can to help you and I think there really is no problem here, so I won't say more.
 
you are right thank you Jasper at least you answered me.
 
hey does anyone know what |w| means where w is a string?
 
9:52 PM
@Abcd No, but we have an illustrated history, so I'm sure he'd target me first and ask me a lot of questions..
 
length of the string, @Otay?
 
thats what i was thinking
 
Also your line of questioning threw me off due to our argument we had (last weekend?) earlier.
 
Check the meaning of the notation.
 
9:53 PM
Makes me wonder if you are planning a defamation case that gets me thrown out of University.
 
probably even length but if its even numeric value ill be maaad
 
Whoa, Nate.
 
@TedShifrin don't put down Jasp!
 
@TedShifrin I can't explain without the equivalent concept. Think of it as a redox reaction Ted. Equal moles of electrons will be lost and gained.
 
You can't trust anyone Ted.
 
9:54 PM
Well, if you're going to be ultra-paranoid, don't spend your time in public chats.
 
Also I am a very paranoid individual.
 
Then, seriously, don't go to public chats.
 
:o
 
@TedShifrin I have to go now. Bye. ttyl.
 
Bye.
 
9:56 PM
@Abcd sorry if I made you uncomfortable.
Sorry, Ted.
 
Thank goodness. I need to stop getting roped into high school non-math subjects.
Even though I love physics and chemistry ...
 
@Ted plz help with organic kthnxbai
uploading image just tell me answer
 
@Dodsy it's okay. Bye.
 
Shaddup, Balarka, or I'll make you compute sheaf cohomology.
 
@Dodsy If you often worry excessively, you need to watch your mental health.
 
9:57 PM
tbh i'd do that
 
@Jasper you're probably right.
I don't have facebook though, so giving a lot of info away here feels strange.
 
@Balarka: This guy is crazy. Every algebraic geometry question can be rephrased as a differential geometry question. :P
 
@Dodsy I don't want you to end up like me. =D Take care!
 
Sometimes my profs look at me and I wonder if they've read my messages on here. >_>
 
That's also a constructive comment from Jasper.
 
9:58 PM
@TedShifrin I see that, for sure.
 
Math is hard enough when you're on an even keel.
 
@TedShifrin heh
 
Maybe I'll be as crazy as ...
 
Hodge theory is massively analytical in my eyes
 
I tried to remember his name
 

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