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2:00 AM
What math have you seen/will you see in the near future?
 
@Daminark @user2860452 but do you think it's beneficial to pick the most influential research category in mathematics or to choose something that speaks to you personally? I believe that if I was born around newtons time I would not for instance focus on analysis, however "sexy" that area of research was at the time.
 
I took calculus one, vectors and analitic geometry...
calculus 1 is quite awesome
 
So, there's a lot going on in math that you haven't yet seen
 
vectors and analitic geometry I think it wasn't so especial as I tought it would be
 
Like, fields will look really nifty at first glance or even at the beginning of the first class you take on it
But as you go deeper things change
I was gung ho about calculus and analysis when I first got into it, and I now almost dislike calculus and mostly like to think about analysis through topology
So give it some time, at this point there's likely a natural progression of classes that you'll have to do anyway, like after getting through calculus you'll do multivariable calculus/analysis and also abstract algebra (plus linear algebra in the meantime)
 
2:03 AM
What's your favourite field, Dami?
 
(If you aren't currently doing proof-based math, you'll probably have an "intro to proofs" class, absolutely take that)
And then at that stage you'll have a nice overview of a few fields and can start to zoom in a little bit to that which interests you. But try not to gain too many prejudices yet, things can change for better or worse
@Dodsy I think algebra and topology are my preferences right now
 
I'm doing linear algebra now
and multivariable calculus
 
hm.
 
we still didn't got into multivariable calculus I think
the professor told us to study series and sequences
 
Like, the only classes I've taken so far outright are first year calculus, then analysis (including some measure theory and functional), and differential topology
 
2:05 AM
improper integrals
I don't think it's multivariable calculus
but when I look at the book it says volume 2
 
But what's the lin alg course?
second year?
and series/sequences seem like second term stuff, especially this early in the year. Maybe I'm wrong.
 
I did a thing in my summer after first year that was linear algebra and graph theory that I really liked
 
I just started the course this semester
linear algebra 1
and calculus 2
 
And I've picked up some group theory on my own. This fall I'm doing group theory, bio (gotta get that requirement done eventually), a reading course on algebraic topology of finite spaces, and likely model theory
@user2860452 so you're doing still single variable calculus
 
series/sequences is calculus 2 here....
oh ok!
Ok I'm happy
 
2:07 AM
ah I see
that makes more sense.
 
because I was really sad to know that multivariable calculus was just that
 
@Dodsy some people have AP or IB credit and place out of first semester calculus
 
oh true.
 
Multivariable calculus gets much more complex
 
that's cool
linear algebra, I think it's really mechanical
with just formulas...
I watched some videos on youtube
the essence of linear algebra
and I loved it
it gave a more reasonable approach involving geometry
of linear algebra
but I still fell like I'm missing something
and I'm sad about this
 
2:12 AM
I think it's really how it's taught.
In my linear algebra textbook it literally says "have students do examples over and over"
 
Theoretical linear algebra is super fun
 
and I don't think that is really how math should be taught.
but after a week I'm no expert!
 
I would love to learn more theoretical linear algebra
I'm not a computer
and I don't like feeling I don't know what I'm doing
it's like doing 1+1 without ever know what's 1+1
even knowing*
 
but you were taught vector properties, right?
 
of course
 
2:16 AM
my lin alg course is a mess
there have been no assigned readings and I've sorta just been waiting
and then today I glanced at the textbook the prof was flipping through and realized he's on page 26.
 
yeah
 
and I just feel behind, he's from italy and doesn't seem to really know what he's doing.
 
this happens in Brazil too :)
 
ah glad to know that it's just me :3
 
I feel like I have jesus
 
2:21 AM
what does this mean?
oh cool, my next semester math textbook is free on the library website :D
 
Nice, which is it?
@user2860452 I used a book called linear algebra by Hoffman and Kunze
It's quite theoretical, and it takes an algebraic viewpoint (e.g. polynomial ideals are used to explain stuff)
 
Proofs and Fundamentals by E.Bloch.
a springer book.
 
Though it's a bit old-fashioned, very matrix-based
I also know Axler's Linear Algebra Done Right
 
oh yes that's supposed to be good.
 
Quality book, but it tries too hard to avoid determinants so that it makes the exposition on the characteristic polynomial awkward. Also, it's afraid of algebra, which I think is kind of a bad thing
I'm not particularly fond of it myself, but it's good for getting a feel about how to do things using linear maps more and matrices less
And in general I'm quite fond of coordinate-free methods when applicable, so I'll give it points on that note
 
2:35 AM
@Daminark was the kunze book your lin alg 1 book?
looks like a big boy book :P
 
So I never had a class on linear algebra
 
wat
 
In my summer REU after first year, there was this 5 week "class"
First week was graph theory, next 2.5-3 weeks were linear algebra, and the final week was on linear algebra coming up in discrete math
 
wow.
that's pretty cool
 
So low-rank approximations to matrices using singular value decomposition, and how that would come up in machine learning
 
2:36 AM
I wish I could do summer math courses
 
Also we did a bit on Markov chains and Stochastic matrices
 
no schools really offer summer courses in math after first year here :/
 
And spectral graph theory, which is dank
But yeah so I had that
Then in my analysis class first quarter he had us do 6 chapters of Hoffman and Kunze
 
ah
 
Though we weren't taught that, he just gave us problems from the book and we read the relevant chapter
 
2:37 AM
so probably not a good idea to use hoffman/kunze as a supplementary reading for lin alg 1.
 
Some people in the class came in knowing no linear algebra and still handled it alright
So I think Hoffman and Kunze can be used for a first course
 
hm.
interesting.
 
Though for reference, here if you don't take honors analysis you do linear algebra as a separate class
They just opened that class last year
(Before, you learned a bit in honors calculus or intro to proofs, a bit in analysis, and then a pretty reasonable amount in second quarter of algebra)
The first run, they used Curtis' Abstract Linear Algebra
Which is a book that I think would click with me right now but is probably a bit too aggressive for a first course
Really terse
 
it'd be awesome to go to a school that offers $>3$ relevant courses in math a term
 
Now they're using the book that they started supplementing second quarter of algebra with after Hoffman and Kunze went out of print: Charles Curtis' Linear Algebra: An Introductory Approach
 
2:41 AM
you take diffrent classes in honours at your school?
we dont have to
 
@Ted copyright violation :P
 
we can take extra classes that others cant
but the normal classes are the same
 
But yeah I'll recommend looking at Curtis @Dodsy
@Faust here it's a bit complicated
So there are 3 levels of first year calculus
 
oh we have like 5 for fist yeah calc
100 102 120 122 160
 
130s are if you're shaky on precalc, 150s are if you're solid in precalc, and 160s is honors calc (you prob wanna have some calc background going in) and is proof-based
 
2:42 AM
then all the math w.o calc for the biology students
 
If you do the 150s, you can place into 151-152-153 depending on calc background
Yeah bio students here have to take 2 quarters of calc
 
intresting must be abigg3er school
my schools pretty small
 
For the general audience that needs to satisfy core but doesn't want calculus, we have two "studies in math" classes, one on number theory and one on geometry/symmetry
 
hm.
Maybe I should move to chicago.
 
we have a good math program though
specially for canada
 
2:44 AM
uvic?
 
Then we have 159 which is "Intro to Analysis Proofs", a proofs class that transitions from 130s or 150s to analysis
 
yeah
 
yeah they're considered one of the best dude
 
Then there are 3 levels of analysis
 
hm, dami, that's awesome.
 
2:44 AM
i wanan do my phd here
assuming i can get into the program
 
goodbye ya'll
 
goodbye
 
I probably won't be back till at least next year
if ever
 
20300-20400-20500, the standard analysis class. Does preliminaries on metric spaces, convergence, and linear algebra in 203, followed by differentiation and optimization in 204, and integration and vector calc in 205
 
just thought I'd tell everyone that
 
2:45 AM
20310-..., accelerated, does Rudin
 
how big is your bloody school?
 
20700-20800-20900, which does Rudin-level stuff, functional analysis, and measure theory, plus topics that the profs want
 
Faust it's the infinite hotel
but with classes
 
We've got about 6000 students
 
wait...
 
2:46 AM
(Undergrad)
 
what am I doing
 
600 of which are math majors
 
thats not that many
 
@Typhon why
 
I shouldn't have entered chat. This is precisely why I need to leave and not come back for a while. It's too easy to get sucked in here.
 
2:47 AM
at least not comparatively given waht you offer compared to my school
 
and waste too much time
 
@Typhon probably fair tbh
 
not that I need said time
 
eh at least you're talking about math
 
@dodsy let me put it this way
I never failed any of my classes last semester
 
2:47 AM
i think we have around 22k
 
i hope you still remember that
 
maybe 25k
 
My school has >30k I think.
 
But yeah, if you don't do honors analysis you have to do linear algebra before 20400/20410. Then there's the algebra sequence, regular and honors, and after that a bunch of electives
 
sorry, but I have way more important things I could be spending my time on
 
2:48 AM
okay cya dude
 
want to know something @dodsy
 
Peace @Typhon
 
I promised a high schooler to help him work on a video game for a school project.
 
honours here lets u do a research project and take any seminar as a credit class
 
I thought it was due at the end of the summer and completely 100% dropped the ball
and was a complete jerk
because I wasted all my time here
 
2:49 AM
@Daminark your school sounds awesome + is considered one of the best schools for math in the entire world. So you're probably getting a first class education :D
 
@Dodsy I do hope so
 
so farewell. Probably might come back, but I probably won't. It's better that way for everyone. Also, good luck on that spam flagger issue if it's still ongoing. Ugh.
 
other than that i guess if your in the honors program they will waive any pre req if you wana take a class
 
Well, here for the math sciences you take enriched (honours) calc 1, enriched (honours) calc 2, lin alg 1, and a proof writing course in first year.
 
Ted thinks that jumping into too much of the shiny parts of analysis like functional has left me ehh about multi
 
2:50 AM
but other than that its the same as any science program
what school u goto?
 
Which is probably quite true, though I'm not really into the analysis and geometry so hopefully that won't be an issue
 
Me? @Faust
 
UChicago
 
Oh, right.
 
Also prereq waiving is sick
 
2:51 AM
uwo
ic
 
that'd be cool.
 
If you do honors analysis sometimes the head of the department lets you out of some prereqs
Like I got to take intro to smooth manifolds (essentially a differential topology class) without doing point-set so there's that
 
that's pretty cool.
 
thats pretty kool
 
And some got to do complex analysis before finishing honors analysis, but beyond that the guy can be really tight
 
2:52 AM
There's an exclusive math club here I want to get into :D
 
im sitting in a class for complex analysis without having taken analysis
 
they have pizza parties.
 
but i dont think ima take it
 
So this past summer I was in this bootcamp thingy, and complex analysis was one of the topics, but it was set up by a prof who's very old-fashioned and wanted us to get familiar with that part of math, including computing series directly and whatnot
Which didn't click with my style too much, and I don't think I put as much in as I should've, I got distracted by other stuff like algebraic topology and the like
 
i already have 5 classes and im alittle slow compared to most people with new definitions
 
2:53 AM
@Daminark did you slack off 3:
:E
 
Yeh
 
and did math instead :P
how funny :)
 
So next quarter I'm gonna sit in on complex analysis by a prof who apparently goes a bit quickly and gets through good ground by the end of the quarter, including basics of Riemann surfaces
 
think im going to attend a couple seminars next semester
 
I'm not gonna take it since I mostly have my classes set up for this year
And doing this would get in the way a bit
 
2:55 AM
That's awesome, that's exactly how my calc 1 prof is atm.
 
@Faust Oh seminars are neat. We don't have those I think
 
He's whizzing through content and it's very captivating.
 
Nice @Dodsy
 
yeah its nice can do it for a credit but you have to take a reasearch paper learn it then give a presentation on it to get credit for it
 
Well okay we do have a few classes that are offered as "inquiry-based" so that'sa bit seminar-ish
And then you have reading courses, which are one on one with a professor
I'm actually doing one this fall
 
2:58 AM
nice
 
that's awesome.
 
Tentatively, we're working out of a book that our prof wrote called "Finite Spaces and Larger Contexts"
Basically, you have a subject called algebraic topology
Which, at the beginning of your studies, is essentially that you can give certain algebraic objects to topological spaces which are invariant under the kinds of maps that you use to classify spaces
For example, similar to how isomorphism is what you use to determine if 2 groups are "the same", there are 3 ways that I know of in topology that you might wanna do this
One is homeomorphism, which is that you have an invertible map such that it and its inverse are continuous
One is homotopy equivalence, so two maps $f:X\to Y$ and $g:Y\to X$ such that $f\circ g$ is homotopic to the identity map on $Y$ and $g\circ f$ is homotopic to the identity map on $X$
(Homotopy is a technical condition, in a nutshell think of 2 curves, you can "continuously slide" one until it becomes another. In $\mathbb{R}^n$ you can always do this, but in other spaces, you can't. Imagine the two circles of the donut, you can't do it)
 
hm
 
Then there's an even more technical condition called weak homotopy equivalence
But basically, you can put algebraic objects that are tied to these spaces
There are these things called homology and cohomology groups
And if two spaces are either homeomorphic, homotopy, or even (I think) weak homotopy equivalent, then they must have the same homotopy, homology, and cohomology groups
That's why these are often useful tools
Now the subject is not precisely that, you tend to focus on a certain class of spaces called CW complexes
Where CW essentially means "not utter shit"
And it eventually balloons a lot, gets into category theory, and whatnot (also btw simplicial complexes are more general than CW, I think, and are still studied)
The nifty thing is that finite topological spaces (and more generally, these things called Alexandroff $T_0$ spaces) actually capture a lot of information
In particular, once you go deep enough into algebraic topology, your criterion for equivalence really starts to zoom in around weak homotopy equivalence
 
im taking topology next semester
though that quote is pretty good
 
3:06 AM
Any finite simplicial complex (meaning, finitely many simplices, which are n-dimensional triangles) is weak homotopy equivalent to some finite topological space, and any simplicial complex is weak homotopy equivalent to some Alexandroff $T_0$ space
 
@Daminark i belive the picture you sent me works
 
Sick
 
at least as far as my understanding of dominating means
A rouge sheep has wandered in
 
Hey @xam and @nitsua60!
Also one thing I didn't mention in my brief exposition
 
@Daminark hiya
 
3:14 AM
It turns out that even though you can do basically all of algebraic topology on these $T_0$ Alexandroff spaces, it turns out none of them are CW
Except for the trivial ones
 
@Faust reminds me of a crappy Star Trek spoof that made fun of Chekov's accent. Spock: "Illogical. Why would sheep be in space?"
 
The idea is that even if you lose topological niceness you gain combinatorics in a weird way
How's it going?
 
@nitsua60 Promiscuity?
 
??
 
i dunno sheep like other sheep?
whyt not space sheep
 
3:24 AM
I'm back :D
 
I feel like I should've taken comp sci instead of physics.
 
I want to make a rocket, how can I use differential calculus on it?
 
how big is the rocket
are you trying to launch a satelite?
 
now that you mentioned, I want. How do I do it?
 
lmfao
 
3:27 AM
@Dodsy have fun !
 
@Semiclassical :P
Which part semi?
trying to launch a satellite or switching to compsci this late into semester
because it's too late for compsci :(
 
is never too late, you're doing it now!
 
wunderbar!
 
coding the text and using network
 
@Dodsy Do you like CS more than Physics?
 
3:28 AM
I've never programmed before, so I have no idea.
 
Given how little physics seems actually to have shown up so far, I'm not sure he'd know yet :P
 
David Marlan's computer science course
at harvard
 
But, I was looking at recommended courses on my math page and it said that compsci was recommended but physics was not.
 
he did a little research
and most of the students in class never had experience programming
 
well let me explain
it didn't say "we do not recommend physics"
it just wasn't on the list.
:D
@user2860452 the only advice I can give you is to not discount variable mass.
 
3:30 AM
@Dodsy Did you pass out of high school this year?
 
No, I am still in grade 8
:(
 
Seriously?
 
yeah dude, been in grade 8 for 10 years now.
 
@Dodsy -_-.
 
@Semiclassical I'm trying to decide if I should send the math dept an email about what math clubs they have? good idea? bad idea?
 
3:32 AM
seems like a fine idea
you might also look what they've got re: weekly seminars/colloquia
 
@Dodsy last year of college?
 
@Abcd nah first, I'm a late bloomer :P
 
@Dodsy Okay :)
 
I got into a very good University this year after years of working for it. So I'm really happy.
 
@Dodsy That's great! Which uni?
 
3:34 AM
@Semiclassical so I tried looking for seminars and can't find anything :/ it's really ridiculous how hard it is to find stuff that is going on. I missed a talk today on some mathematical idea about plants or something. Then I went to the Putnam page and it's from last year!
 
@Abcd Canadian Uni.
 
Okay
 
@Daminark Are you from Hogwarts?
Uchicago :O
 
@Dodsy The fact that the event calendar on their site immediately goes to an outlook thing is...weird
 
3:37 AM
wat
where do I click?
 
first, confirmation: this site? math.uwo.ca
 
oh I see it now
wow cool
I would never have found that
 
I'm from electronics engineering
I'm not a math grad
but I know electronics there's a lot of math
 
mmm, laplace transforms
 
and I want to be an engineer that knows math deep
 
3:41 AM
@Semiclassical thanks dude
 
still don't see anything on putnam but that was helpful.
 
yeah. i mean, there's the bit in their "Undergradate" links
but uh
 
looks outdated :(
 
Putnam 2016 :/
 
3:42 AM
@Semiclassical it goes to the outlook
because it maybe links to your calendar there
 
oh, I get that. i just find it a really awkward way to do it
 
so it will be easy to follow
 
You need a university email to access it, I spose.
 
@Dodsy they do list a contact person on that page, though
 
yeah maybe I'll email him.
 
3:43 AM
even if they aren't involved themselves at this point, they can probably hand you off to someone who knows better
I think I'm spoiled as far as event calendars, though. the physics department web page here puts it front and center: physics.umn.edu/index.html
and there's a weekly email that we get which has all the events. (on that note, you should dig around and see if there's a similar mailing list for your department) @dodsy
 
@Semiclassical dude that's awesome.
your department must be huge
3 people with the same last name.
 
which three?
 
Bosch, Bosch, and Bosch.
 
I wondered if that's who you meant.
 
yas
 
3:47 AM
They did their undergrads here, and so far have stuck around for grad school too
 
interesting.
 
sometimes I think in start a new mathematics field
how do I do it?
 
I TA'd for two of them, one of whom now sits in the desk behind mine
 
@user2860452 Start a new field in mathematics?
hm...
 
@user2860452 pretty similar to Hogwarts in some ways for sure :P
 
3:49 AM
sometimes in the gym I think a lot about math
but I don't figure out too much
I just made a integral to calculate the volume of the plastic cup there
today
but it doesn't goes beyond this
 
reminds me, i should go to the elementary particle physics seminar here next week
 
that sounds cool.
 
if only to find out why the prof who's QM course I'm TA-ing is scheduled to read a paper from 1936 :/
subject: "Paper reading: "Mechanical Detection and Measurement of the Angular Momentum of Light" by Richard A. Beth)"
 
huh interesting.
 
yeah. it's a bit strange.
 
3:52 AM
I found a cool book at a thrift store
 
Physics and Philosophy it's called
 
the only thing better than finding a book at a thrift store is getting them for free during an office move :P
 
it's a cambridge press
:o
I'd love a big box of books for free.
 
yeah. there a few solid finds
oh, Feyerabend.
 
3:53 AM
yeah this one is a first ed
but it's a little weathered
 
I've heard that name before but I don't know much about him
 
What's that, sorry?
 
oh derp, I looked at the wrong link
was seeing something entirely different
who's the author?
 
it's late :)
James Jeans
 
3:58 AM
:o
not good?
 
didn't say that
when was it published?
 
1942
 
I just logged in on research gate, and there was a researcher that had a name very close to mine so I tought someone used my name to publish something, I got really afraid
 
I got it in a bundle with some anti evolution book and "how to win friends and influence people"
 

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