The Bridge

Powerlord

16:00

@kalina It's a good game, although it doesn't quite have the same magic as Portal did.

Anyway, I have a meeting now.

kalina

enjoy your meeting

wait, no, the other thing

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

reddit.com/r/doctorwho/comments/1aq57e/…

SaintWacko

Finally killed it

reclaiming again!

fredley

@kalina Aw

@TimStone Any news?

kalina

don't aw at me, I'm not a cat wearing a hat

6

this is a cat wearing a hat:

Unionhawk

16:09

@kalina Aw

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Because the server is down, I loaded up my alpha world. Nostalgia trip

Grace Note

@StrixVaria Seeing this still open in another tab to share with others, I suddenly realized that I now imagine that all iPhones are voiced by Heffer Wolfe.

Unionhawk

@fredley Heh. Alpha... I remember when I didn't ever play until well after the server-crash free-weekend thing...

That's only when I heard of it, played classic, thought it was dumb, didn't play again until probably beta 1.7...

StrixVaria

@GraceNote I have no idea who that is.

Oh, the character from Rocko's Modern Life.

Unionhawk

When I realized the real game was actually good, versus classic, which is shit.

Grace Note

16:12

@StrixVaria Aye.

OrigamiRobot

@fredley OK, plans for my human processing center are underway. Lava, poison, acid, liquid nitrogen go in. Other stuff comes out.

Unionhawk

@fredley I'm working on a solar factory with a tiny footprint. And it's awesome

fredley

@Unionhawk One chunk?

Unionhawk

@fredley Tinier.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@kalina It's sooo cute... except for the death stare. It looks like it's going to murder us all.

kalina

16:14

@YiJiang'sEvilClone only OrigamiRobot

Unionhawk

Granted, it doesn't do the processing of ores, or anything, you need to input items into a chest, but, that can be stage 2, I guess

OrigamiRobot

@kalina I would destroy that kitten and take its hat for my own.

Coronus

@OrigamiRobot And this is why it wants to kill you.

Kitten hat thief.

Martin Sojka

@Unionhawk One big thin tower with pipes, power and control lines running in a horrible mess around it?

OrigamiRobot

@Unionhawk I started playing right before the Nether was added.

Unionhawk

16:17

@MartinSojka A computer controlled crafter, a computer, 2 managers, and a chest. It's 2x3x2, if I recall correctly.

Martin Sojka

@Unionhawk No energy source?

Unionhawk

@MartinSojka It does require a small amount of BT power, which is why it's 2 wide.

At least. Thermopile would make it at least 3 wide

Lazers

0

Q: Can I activate a retail copy of SimCity on Origin?

I don't have a CD drive so was wondering if it is possible to activate a retail copy of SimCity via Origin and just download the game from Origin rather than installing it using the disk?

simcity

Unionhawk

Arg, mouse, work, dammit

Coronus

Would I need anything other than the standard client to play on this server? If so, would I still be able to connect to my own vanilla server?

Martin Sojka

16:19

Smallest footprint of a factory is actually just 2x1x1: One ender chest for the input, one ender chest for the output. Everything else in your own private Mystcraft world with a world anchor nearby. :D

Unionhawk

@MartinSojka If that counts, then my design could be 1x1x1, since in/out is the same chest

But seeing as that most certainly does not count as far as I'm concerned...

OrigamiRobot

@MartinSojka That wouldn't work because you need a way to move items between the chests.

Unionhawk

Working with computer controlled crafters is tricky... there's no real easy way to make sure that there's the correct item in each slot, except by always keeping 1 item in each slot.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Lazers This seems like a trivial question to me. Shouldn't the SimCity retail box state clearly that the game needs to be activated on Origin?

Unionhawk

As a result, this thing can't craft too many solars per request. I may just build a standard fabricator setup

Up to 7, based on cobble requirements. Also, again the issue with not-ghost-items adds the requirement of having a stack of pretty much every crafting component in the manager.

I am still pleased with this build though. And we'll see what RG does with the crafter later

OrigamiRobot

16:26

Solars are such a pain to make.

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot That is why I want to make a factory damn enter key

OrigamiRobot

I'll just use biomass for my EU needs

Unionhawk

But the "7 or less panels per request" thing is a rather large issue, since that means it won't be able to do even LV panels...

@OrigamiRobot I'm probably going to go geothermal or nuclear for my secret volcano base that nobody knows about. I kind of want to build a CRCS reactor... but I'm not quite confident enough in my nuclear engineering skills to do it.

OrigamiRobot

I wonder if I can make an Accelerated age without Decay. for my tree farm...

Fluttershy

@YiJiang'sEvilClone It does! I was looking at one the other day.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

16:34

So... do we do anything?

Fluttershy

@YiJiang'sEvilClone No idea. I thought it was a duplicate, actually... But I can't find the question I was thinking of.

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot I wouldn't count on it... Maybe, but, I really don't know.

Apparently, this is what decay looks like:

forum.feed-the-beast.com/attachments/…

Dammit, that requires login, doesn't it... let me fix that

OrigamiRobot

Yes, not fun.

I'm going to try though.

All the other instabilities are manageable.

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot From the config, "Erosion" and "Crumble" don't sound much fun either

OrigamiRobot

Oh I haven't seen those.

Unionhawk

16:42

What the difference is, or what they do, I don't know

Yeah, I'm looking at the config. "Enemy regeneration" sounds fun...

badp

@Unionhawk ...wat

SaintWacko

@Unionhawk Uh... Run?

Blem

and i am home!

Unionhawk

@badp That, is decay. It happens when you tell the world to generate with more ores than normal, or with something stupid like "Plains, Ocean, Single Biome"

badp

@Unionhawk wat

Unionhawk

16:46

@SaintWacko That's not me, and they're in creative. And concerned about their quarry, for some reason. ("you're already in creative...?")

Martin Sojka

Mystcraft can be pretty annoying when you try random words, or just to game the system and create a "rich" world.

SaintWacko

@Unionhawk Ah

Unionhawk

@badp It's a mod called Mystcraft that allows players to make their own dimensions by defining what they want in that dimension. Improper age writing leads to instability, which, in light cases, will cause debuffs like hunger or slowness

But in extreme cases, will cause decay to literally destroy the world.

In this case, the player added "Dense ores" which generates more ores than normal, but will guarantee severe instability. And since they were dumb enough to quarry in such a place... they deserve it

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

That's... interesting. Can a minecraft mod really do that?

Martin Sojka

@Unionhawk That could be someone else's quarry.

Unionhawk

16:50

@MartinSojka The poster said it was theirs. But, again, creative, so why does it matter anyway?

I don't understand people who feel the need to gather resources if they're already going semi-creative. Unless I suppose he may have been flying for the picture...

That actually makes more sense... I should stop accusing people of being cheaty bastards on sight like that.

Lazers

3

Q: Is it ever explained in universe how the three races can use the same resources?

It is somewhat feasible to assume that Terrans and Protoss use the same Materials for building their stuff. But how do the Zerg fit into this? It seems strange to me that the Zerg use the very same resources that Terrans and Protoss. I do not remember that there was ever a satisfactory explanati...

starcraft-series

Martin Sojka

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Mystcraft only does that to the worlds it generates, not to the main "overworld". It gives you even more ways to shoot yourself in the foot - you can easily get trapped in such a world without any way to ever reach the main world again (without using /tpx, of course).

No way for anyone to reach you and help you, either.

OrigamiRobot

@MartinSojka I very nearly got trapped in an age.

Unionhawk

@MartinSojka Won't a nether portal always come out in the overworld? Or is that not the case?

Sconibulus

oh, you can't go visit someone else's age?

OrigamiRobot

16:53

How I managed to both find that dungeon again and pick up all my stuff before dying again, I'll never know.

Martin Sojka

Good for "prison dimensions" though - skylands, perpetual night, some nasty biomes, maybe lava for water ... throw anyone who likes to grief your server in there after emptying their inventory, problem solved.

fbueckert

@Lazers Blegh.

Unionhawk

@Sconibulus You can, it's just, if you go to an age, and don't have a link book home, you're screwed

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@AshleyNunn Just curious, did you try baking the MMMMM recipe I posted here the other time?

Martin Sojka

@Unionhawk No clue, really.

Unionhawk

16:55

@MartinSojka To the testworld!

Sconibulus

@Unionhawk well then how is it that you wouldn't be rescuable? Can a player not carry multiple home books?

OrigamiRobot

@Unionhawk I don't think nether portals work in ages. I remember seeing something about it somewhere.

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot We're going to find out for sure right now

Ronan Forman

@OrigamiRobot They do, but you just can't make them legitimately.

OrigamiRobot

@Sconibulus If the book to that age is gone, there is no way to get there.

@RonanForman That's what I meant

Martin Sojka

16:56

@Sconibulus You can create any number of "book-portals" (linking books) or "crystal portals" to your world, and anyone can use them (per default, server permission plugins can override that). The problem arises when all such portals get destroyed and you can't create more ...

OrigamiRobot

@RonanForman Also, is the server unborked?

Unionhawk

@OrigamiRobot Nope, they don't work. It's the same thing that happens if you try it in The End.

Ronan Forman

I think we have too many chunk loaders. Looking at the error messages.

SaintWacko

@Unionhawk Not entirely true

If you jump in a star fissure, you'll go home

Unionhawk

@SaintWacko It's basically true. You have to be lucky enough to find one, and I don't think they generate 100%...

Ronan Forman

17:00

@Unionhawk You can make ages from ages though. And they're always near spawn.

Blem

Know a guy who just got this tattooed today, I have not facepalmed this hard in a long time

NSFW wording tattoo

Unionhawk

@Blem wat

djsmiley2k

o_O

Sterno

@Blem NSFW

djsmiley2k

in the ass then?

Also, it's not straight ;)

OrigamiRobot

17:01

@RonanForman I have zero chunk loaders and only one quarry.

Blem

the stomach i think

Unionhawk

@RonanForman I've got 2 at default size and 1 quarry running.

OrigamiRobot

I blame @fredley

2

Ronan Forman

@OrigamiRobot That's my general stance.

James

Oh God! I clicked on this at the start of the day, now he title bar chat counter is going to draw my attention non stop!!

Unionhawk

17:05

@OrigamiRobot I concur. Especially if it is a chunk loading issue...

Martin Sojka

@RonanForman That requires paper and lether ...

Ronan Forman

@MartinSojka And they don't spawn in ages?

Unionhawk

@RonanForman Depends on your luck, I suppose.

OrigamiRobot

You can also find star fissures.

Unionhawk

If you have really crappy luck, your quest home will take you through an Ocean Single Biome with blindness as its instability

SaintWacko

17:07

To gamedev?

Martin Sojka

@RonanForman Not in every age. Also there's the "perpetual night" ones where you'll have to fight creeper hordes on the way to those resources if you're lucky, Mo'Creature's ogres, golems and fire wraiths if you aren't ...

SaintWacko

@James What's wrong with that

James

@SaintWacko Lowers productivity :)

SaintWacko

@James Yes, and...? :P

fbueckert

@SaintWacko It's too broad, even for gamedev.

Ronan Forman

17:08

Rule 1: Don't migrate crap.

James

@SaintWacko Thats it :)

Ronan Forman

It might be rule 2...

Unionhawk

@fbueckert Agree; this topic varies heavily on the game...

Powerlord

@James We are controlling transmission

SaintWacko

@RonanForman Which is why I asked before flagging

@fbueckert That's true, I guess that question is essentially "What are the risks of downloading things?"

James

17:09

@OrigamiRobot These are fairly rare from what I have seen in the new mystcraft

fbueckert

@SaintWacko Essentially, yes.

OrigamiRobot

@James Yea, I have yet to see one.

James

@OrigamiRobot We restarted our FTB map on Monday evening.. back to using the highlands biome mod.. could not be happier with the terrain.. it bleeds into mystcraft easily enough too

Unionhawk

@RonanForman Okay, apparently I'm loading the most chunks... But one of those is the workshop, so... that doesn't count.

Ronan Forman

@Unionhawk How can you tell?

James

17:16

@RonanForman /chunkloaders

Unionhawk

@RonanForman Server seems up, and /chunkloaders

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

No Gods, No Kings, Only Ponies

Ronan Forman

Neat, how many chunks loaded total?

Unionhawk

It's not going to be accurate at this moment; only ChickenChunks loaders force load dimensions

So quarries aren't loading anything right now

Sterno

NO ONE CARES ABOUT PONIES

26

(except the people who do, but they don't count, because they care about ponies)

OrigamiRobot

17:18

This logic is flawless.

Grace Note

That... seems to have come out of nowhere.

Unionhawk

2 mins ago, by Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

No Gods, No Kings, Only Ponies

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote I think it came from here

kalina

@Sterno I care

Powerlord

@Sterno Don't make me stab you.

Grace Note

17:20

That's all of... one statement.

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote Three now.

Grace Note

Still only one prior to the outburst.

OrigamiRobot

@kalina You never count.

James

@YiJiang'sEvilClone wtf did I just watch

kalina

@OrigamiRobot how rude :(

James

17:21

@Sterno Filling in for @GnomeSlice while he is gone?

fredley

@RonanForman Server

OrigamiRobot

@kalina Cotton candy has no rights.

Ronan Forman

@fredley Yeah, it's a chunk loading thing I think.

Maybe we have two many myst ages.

fredley

@RonanForman I've been destroying quarries!

@RonanForman Remove them, except hunger shade

kalina

@OrigamiRobot sub-20k have no rights

fredley

17:22

And miners

Ronan Forman

What ID is that?

OrigamiRobot

@fredley <3 Hunger Shade

badp

@Powerlord I have found a use for the saharan spy set

fredley

@RonanForman HS is 8 I think

fbueckert

@kalina Rights? I have no rights, you're saying?

Unionhawk

17:23

@RonanForman Maybe too many loaded ages. Perhaps we should consolidate all mining operations? (Keep new miner in existence please?)

fredley

can double check if server comes back

Ronan Forman

Okay.

badp

abuse the dr to push the cart for the last stretch of upwards!!

kalina

@fbueckert yes u

Powerlord

@badp Pssh, there are more uses than that.

fbueckert

17:23

@kalina That's amusing.

Unionhawk

They don't load on startup anymore, so... it shouldn't be that big of a deal save for chunkloaders

badp

@Powerlord but it's so braindead, even I can do that

fbueckert

Someone just posted a complaint on meta.SO, complaining his question got deleted, and he didn't have any rights.

badp

for bonus points even if you don't succeed into winning the game you still keep the cart from going backwards

Unionhawk

@Powerlord Yeah! Like on a TDM server I play, I go undisguised Dr. Enforcicle, just for fun

Powerlord

17:24

@Unionhawk Saharan Set doesn't work with Dr. Enforcicle...

badp

@Unionhawk that's not the spy set which requires l'etranger

Powerlord

I like the L'Etranger. At least when using the DR.

Unionhawk

@Powerlord Oh, I thought this was about DR in general... Saharan is fun on that server too

@Powerlord Yeah, L'Etranger+DR is a good combo

badp

Oh. For the DR I'm just trying to be aggressive about decloaks

Powerlord

Saharan Spy set is good on certain kinds of maps. Most of the time on koth_nucleus, for instance.

badp

17:25

I almost never wait for the cloak to run out now

Powerlord

Provided you know about the route that sees a lot less usage than the others.

kalina

@fbueckert link

badp

also been exercising stabs and saps... they're actually pretty easy

Unionhawk

It's still fun to hear "...really? The Enforcer?"

OrigamiRobot

2

fredley

17:26

@RonanForman seeeeerveeeeer

fbueckert

3 hours ago, by fbueckert

-12

Q: Is it fair to active users? Can you kindly tell me and let me delete it by myself when I just posted a unconfortable question

I posted a uncomfortable question that many people downvote and upvote. and the consequence is : it is closed by someone it got -30 downvotes i wanna delete it by myself it is deleted by someone. I got 100 reputation penalty. My question is: Is it fair if many people want to get someone's al...

discussion reputation down-votes deleted-questions

badp

I expected more nuance than just m1 scrollwheelup m1

Ronan Forman

@fredley I did, it crashed again.

badp

@Unionhawk Dr. Enforcicle is what I use all the time. It's just so reliable

kalina

@fbueckert thanks, just wanted to downvote it

badp

17:27

with a few exceptions where I go IW, like the first point of goldrush

that part's too large for the Dead Ringer's 6.something seconds

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@James The lead developer of the Bioshock series read a MLP fanfic. Mmmhmm.

fbueckert

@kalina The guy posted a seriously stupid question, and it was gathering downvotes galore. He wouldn't delete it, though. So once the last offensive flag was made, it got auto-deleted, he lost 100 rep (because offensive), and then he whined to meta about it.

kalina

I didn't know you lost rep if your post was flagged offensive

brb flagging everybody as offensive

OrigamiRobot

@RonanForman Can I donate some RAMs?

Ronan Forman

@OrigamiRobot It's not my server, ask @TimStone

fbueckert

17:30

@kalina It requires six flags, same as spam.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@kalina Only if it was actually deleted, though offensive/spam flags do mean an automatic downvote, which is -2

OrigamiRobot

@RonanForman I thought it was SE's server.

Ronan Forman

@OrigamiRobot Not this one.

Sterno

@GraceNote There's been a lot lately in terms of last week or two. Note that I don't actually care that much. This is just usual Bridge nonsense where you call someone out for something. People can post ponies all they want! I can complain about it all I want too!

fredley

@OrigamiRobot We can just download more RAM

Sterno

17:31

(unless I use Zalgo text to do it... then I get banned)

OrigamiRobot

@fredley Don't tell them! I was going to look like a hero.

fbueckert

One more close vote, please

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Sterno That I still don't get. Who the hell has been flagging those, and which mod has been approving those flags?

Grace Note

@Sterno Ah. I got tripped up as it wasn't your usual reaction to this stuff.

OrigamiRobot

@YiJiang'sEvilClone or 10ker

Sterno

17:36

@GraceNote It was also meant to be non-serious, but that doesn't always translate great in text. I'm definitely not a fan of the ponies, but I think I enjoy complaining about them more than I want them gone. :)

Ronan Forman

@fredley Server's not even loading now.

fredley

@RonanForman D:

OrigamiRobot

WHAT DID YOU DO @FREDLEY

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@OrigamiRobot I don't think a single 10k vote will cause an instaban like we're seeing here

Grace Note

@Sterno I can approve of this.

OrigamiRobot

17:38

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I though any 2 validations did it.

Ronan Forman

Are there any of our 26 myst ages we know we don't need?

OrigamiRobot

@RonanForman Most of them

badp

gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/109754/revisions

fredley

@RonanForman Anything with an index higher than 8 I'm pretty sure is useless

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@OrigamiRobot Definitely more than 2 needed, I believe. I can't remember the exact number though

fredley

17:39

Can you configure Mystcraft to not load spawn chunks in other ages?

OrigamiRobot

@RonanForman Anything past HS

Ronan Forman

@OrigamiRobot I need IDs.

fbueckert

@badp How'd the Low Quality queue not catch that?

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Almost certain HS is 8

@RonanForman HS is 8

badp

@fbueckert It was flagged low quality anyway, you could've seen it there

OrigamiRobot

17:39

@fredley I am also almost certain.

fredley

@RonanForman I assume IDs increment

fbueckert

@badp I didn't, though.

Ronan Forman

@fredley Yeah

fredley

And there's nothing newer than HS which we need

fbueckert

That's what I'm saying.

Ronan Forman

17:39

I'll remove past 15, any objections?

OrigamiRobot

@RonanForman That's definitely fine.

badp

@fbueckert I mean you could've seen it under tools > flags

fredley

@RonanForman None

fbueckert

@badp Not 10K yet.

badp

@fbueckert what

@fbueckert HURRRRRYYYYYYYY

fbueckert

17:40

@badp Not even 7K yet.

Eh. Rep doesn't mean that much to me. I'll hit it when I hit it.

OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/3391/…

fbueckert

@OrigamiRobot Knew you would post that.

badp

@fbueckert boo. You need 10k for the flag list

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Sterno You know, there are a lot of other things I'd love to talk about, but no one else in this room cares about. For instance, I'd love a good discussion about the implications of the new HTML5 scoped style specifications

OrigamiRobot

@fbueckert I have to. Court order.

fbueckert

17:41

@badp I know. That's why I mentioned I didn't have it.

badp

@fbueckert then hurry

Ronan Forman

DAMMIT! Still not loading.

fbueckert

I thought the low quality queue would've caught it, though.

badp

@YiJiang'sEvilClone that sounds fascinating

Ronan Forman

Different error though.

OrigamiRobot

17:42

@RonanForman Uhhhhh on second thought, I might be IN the latest age :(

Ronan Forman

@OrigamiRobot I don't know what will happen when you log on then.

OrigamiRobot

T_T

tiddy

Can we perma-star sterno's current bolded statement

Raven Dreamer

Oh, wow. 5 weeks and @Gnomeslice can come back.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@badp not sure if sarcastic

OrigamiRobot

17:43

I can't remember if I am or not.

badp

@YiJiang'sEvilClone not sarcastic, but I gotta jet now

fredley

@RonanForman What is error?

fbueckert

@RavenDreamer And let's hope it's not a repeat.

Ronan Forman

@fredley Error while loading chunk info, from chickenChunks

Wipqozn

@RavenDreamer Isn't that just his site ban, not the chat one?

Raven Dreamer

17:44

@fbueckert Adapt or die. (Well, banned again, in this case)

fredley

@RonanForman Does it say which chunk?

badp

@Wipqozn Yes, his chat ban expires in ~June I think

Wipqozn

> This user has been temporarily suspended by a moderator and cannot chat for 124 days.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

updates.html5rocks.com/2012/03/… for those who are interested cc @badp

Sterno

Aww

I miss @gnomeslice

fbueckert

17:45

I'm actually surprised he's not kicking around here right now. I'm proud of him for that.

badp

@YiJiang'sEvilClone sounds like style="" on steroids

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

The main concern, as expressed in the comments, is that this will encourage inline style declarations

badp

I GUESSED RIGHT

DIN DIN DIN DIN DIN DIN DIN

bah

Wipqozn

@fbueckert He was bound to get bored of watching us eventually.

fbueckert

@badp Isn't it, "DING DING"?

tiddy

17:46

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Inline CSS can suck it

badp

@fbueckert gooood night-a-ding-ding-ding-ding-ding-ding.

OrigamiRobot

badp

it's like the g is like mute right?

Sterno

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Scoped CSS sounds awesome to me. Instead of people being jerks and using the !important flag left and right.

Too bad it doesn't matter because I'll have to support IE7 for the next 30 years

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@tiddy The primary use case here I believe is I have embedded widgets and the like, where your CSS is essentially operating in an environment with other styles already declared

Coronus

17:48

@Sterno I finally got them to kick IE7, IE8 will always be on my list, however.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@OrigamiRobot Whenever I see DIN in all caps I think of the font

tiddy

So they choose embedded styles over a linked stylesheet?

fredley

@RonanForman news?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@tiddy I don't think the specs have landed yet. Browser support is close to nil right now

tiddy

I personally just find it much easier to have a linked sheet that scopes under a class.

reusable anywhere without c/p'ing code

Ronan Forman

17:53

@fredley I don't know anymore!

fredley

@RonanForman Gah, I want to come in and take a look

OrigamiRobot

@RonanForman :(

I worked so hard T_T

Ronan Forman

@OrigamiRobot We still have the worlds.

Ullallulloo

StackExchange just got linked on reddit's blog.

fredley

@RonanForman Fiiiix iiiiiiiit

James

17:55

@RonanForman Did the chunk loaders start screwing with your map as well??

Ronan Forman

@James I think so.

SaintWacko

@Ullallulloo We must build a great ark

James

@RonanForman We saw a huge amount of spam spewing from them towards the end of our last map. Never did figure out if it was a specific type of chunk loader or not.

Michel

No gods or kings, only man - Original.
No gods nor kings, only man - Is this also correct in English?

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