The Bridge

Grace Note

2:00 PM

You raised a Meta question on that, neh?

badp

This is at the top of the flag list

-1

A: What's bacon good for?

It is just for Crazy Dave to say " Mmmmmmm... Delicious!". I guess it is just supposed to act as a funny part of the game or something.

It doesn't strike me as something terrible that must be eradicated immediately with great prejudice

It doesn't add anything either

kotekzot

No, I haven't. Are you saying I should?

Grace Note

Oh, that was someone else.

kotekzot

@badp isn't the idea that answers must add something a defining feature of SE?

@GraceNote thanks, I'll keep an eye on that question.

OrigamiRobot

@fredley I heard you went on a drunken rampage last night and tried to kill someone.

fredley

2:05 PM

@OrigamiRobot Yeah, that might have happened

OrigamiRobot

In other news, I changed the inside of my base to aluminum blocks

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Woo, sounds good. Metal is a good look for a robot base.

kotekzot

@OrigamiRobot how did you get enough?

SaintWacko

I can't get no... aluminum!

Fluttershy

Well, the live-chat help at EA is worthless. Who knew?

OrigamiRobot

2:10 PM

@kotekzot I don't yet.

@fredley Looks better with my black lights

fredley

@OrigamiRobot And aluminium torches

I'm thinking of using some wrath lamps, although they do interfere with xycraft tanks

fbueckert

@Fluttershy You expected them to actually be able to help you? :P

OrigamiRobot

@fredley Yes

@fredley I'm waffling on the Xycraft tanks. Can I input liquid from the bottom?

Fluttershy

@fbueckert After an EA rep stated that they could help me merge my Origin accounts, yes. But the chat rep promptly said it was not possible. When I pointed out the post from the EA employee, he back-pedaled and said it wasn't something he could do, and that I had to contact their phone support.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot From anywhere

@OrigamiRobot My first lava tank is already about a quarter full

fbueckert

2:13 PM

@Fluttershy Most likely due to the amount of scamming and whatnot going on.

OrigamiRobot

@fredley OK, I though they behaved more realistically than that.

fbueckert

Still not cool at all, though.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Think to extract you must use a 'wet' valve, but input from anywhere is fine I think

OrigamiRobot

@fredley I really like my biomass setup and don''t want to change that

fredley

@OrigamiRobot But you need lava. Lots and lots of lava

OrigamiRobot

2:16 PM

So if I can leave that alone and still use a xycraft tank, I'm good.

@fredley Why?

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Because it's a damn robot base that's why

Big tanks of lava are cool

OrigamiRobot

Oh, decorative lava is not a huge priority yet.

I made that room to hold around 60,000,000 mB of biomass, but even one tank can get me 240 MJ/t and never run out.

@fredley Maybe I'll make one wall Biomass, one wall Lava, and the third wall.... something

fredley

@OrigamiRobot BioFuel

Are there any red liquids that could be 'blood'?

OrigamiRobot

@fredley Meh, a lot of touble.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Not really, just some stills

OrigamiRobot

2:26 PM

@fredley My current setup fits so perfectly under a single tank

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Make some 'blood'

OrigamiRobot

@fredley Haha, maybe.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Or a massive rainbow array of tanks

OrigamiRobot

@fredley I wish I could get sharks. That's the obvious choice.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot There are sharks?!

OrigamiRobot

2:28 PM

@fredley I wish

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Tell you what would be cool, aesthetically, is a maze of pipes in the ceiling, all pumping different colours of liquid. Would be fake, but a nice effect

OrigamiRobot

@fredley Why would it be fake?

SaintWacko

If only you could get laser sharks that swam in lava

fredley

@OrigamiRobot What on earth would you be pumping red dye about for?

OrigamiRobot

Oh you mean it wouldn't be going anywhere useful.

fredley

2:32 PM

@OrigamiRobot Yeah, just full liquiducts disappearing off into the bowels of the robot fortress

OrigamiRobot

Hmmmm

fredley

Lazers

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Q: Are there alternate solutions to puzzles in The Cave?

In the Joystiq review of The Cave, there is mention of alternate solutions to the puzzles (emphasis mine): There is truly unique pleasure in seeing the dark, reprehensible turns each puzzle takes, and knowing that an alternate solution exists in there somewhere. Ron Gilbert assures me there a...

the-cave

Grace Note

@fredley It's like I stepped into 20 years ago...

kalina

now that I have 20k, my 'recommend deletion' button has renamed to 'delete'

what is this actually doing?

fredley

2:34 PM

@kalina Casting a 1/3 vote

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@kalina Assuming the answer has -1 score or less, it'll put in a vote to delete the answer

badp

@kalina I suppose that "recommend deletion" means "keep it in the queue for other 20kers to actually vote to delete"

whereas "delete" means "vote to delete"

StrixVaria

@kalina 3 delete votes = thing is gone.

kalina

interesting

badp

Remember, without 20k you need to wait 2 days to vote to delete a downvoted post

Michel

2:35 PM

I hate SO chats .... I asked a simple question and nobody even tried to say something about. it's so futile that I'll be instant downvoted if I post it as a real Question

StrixVaria

@badp Question only.

badp

@StrixVaria orly?

StrixVaria

You need 20k to delete answers at all.

kalina

@Michel you are in a SO chat

Michel

No

I'm in a SE chat

OrigamiRobot

2:36 PM

@fredley Yea, this makes me wan't to make a boilerworks area with the walls made of liquiducts.

kalina

clever

2

Michel

Thanks

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Me too...

Michel

@kalina Learning with you ^.~

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Have a room with 4 boilers in, and pipes going up the walls and ceiling with all the processing...

OrigamiRobot

2:36 PM

@fredley I don't even want a boiler, but a wall made of different liquids sounds awesome

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Michel If no one knows the answer, then you get no response

fredley

@OrigamiRobot I kinda want to tear down my boiler set up and rebuild it prettier...

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

It's not so different from anywhere else

SaintWacko

@kalina I just imagined you laughing evilly

kalina

@SaintWacko I don't really have an evil laugh imo

it's more of a giggle

SaintWacko

2:37 PM

@kalina An evil giggle?

Because that would be awesome

Michel

@YiJiang'sEvilClone That is the Javascript chat o.O how can no body know anything about hosted libs? o.O (not even one "I'm not sure" or "I don't know". They just ignored it)

kalina

I don't know

OrigamiRobot

@fredley Stupid FTB consuming my life...

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Me too...

Michel

@kalina Youtube link

Ben Brocka

2:38 PM

@SaintWacko Mwahahah-ahahah-hehehehe eheh snort

kalina

@Michel never going to happen

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Michel I don't think it's unreasonable for people to ignore random questions which they can't answer

3

SaintWacko

@kalina Soundcloud?

Michel

@kalina You are really evil ...

@BenBrocka Omg...

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Going to get some downvotes asking this... >.< brb

OrigamiRobot

@fredley OK, to completely surround a 2x3 walking area, I need...14 liquids...

fredley

2:40 PM

@OrigamiRobot There are 16 dyes alone

OrigamiRobot

Maybe I should do 1x2 to make it feel cramped.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Nah, 2x3

OrigamiRobot

@fredley I only want cool liquids.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Blood is a cool liquid

OrigamiRobot

That is only 1 dye

I can mirror the sides.

Top two can be lava for lighting.

kalina

2:42 PM

@Michel yes I am pretty evil, but I don't have to prove it

@OrigamiRobot maybe you could stop playing Minecraft and start playing EVE instead

Michel

AHA!

OrigamiRobot

@kalina Maybe you should play Minecraft.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Do lava pipes provide light?

Michel

@kalina you already prove it a lot >.<

fredley

@kalina Lol no.

OrigamiRobot

2:43 PM

@fredley In liquiducts it does.

kalina

@OrigamiRobot why should I play Minecraft?

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Awesome

@kalina It's the most creative game there is.

Grace Note

@fredley Image not found.

@fredley I'm not sure I'd give it such an absolute title there.

fredley

> It is now safe to turn off your computer

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@fredley In that case, I recommend you try playing this awesome game I found the other day called REAL LIFE™

I heard it allows for unlimited expression of creativity

fredley

2:46 PM

@GraceNote You can put an 'among' in there if you like

Grace Note

@fredley Hahaha, oh, wow.

fredley

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Can I launch flaming cows into the air, to deliver cooked steak directly to people dining, at the press of a button? Yes, but not for long.

Grace Note

When that was actually a step in the process... yeesh.

fbueckert

-12

Q: Is it fair to active users? Can you kindly tell me and let me delete it by myself when I just posted a unconfortable question

I posted a uncomfortable question that many people downvote and upvote. and the consequence is : it is closed by someone it got -30 downvotes i wanna delete it by myself it is deleted by someone. I got 100 reputation penalty. My question is: Is it fair if many people want to get someone's al...

discussion reputation down-votes deleted-questions

Grace Note

@fredley I'm personally more fond of taking the initial of this approach in Worms.

fredley

2:47 PM

@GraceNote I remember my first computer, it had a power button like a golf ball on the front. A satisfying TIK-TOK to turn on/off

fbueckert

There we go.

TL;DR: Guy posts inane question, gets massive downvotes, flagged as offensive, he whines to Meta about it, due to the 100 rep offensive penalty.

Grace Note

@fredley Mine wasn't so much a golf ball but did have that satisfying TIK-TOK as well.

fredley

@GraceNote Worms is an excellent game.

@GraceNote Mine also had a TURBO front panel switch.

My friend's had an LED 7-segment display of the current clock speed, in MHz (2 digits). I was very jealous.

Grace Note

Turbo jelly.

Blem

@GraceNote now that answerswarm is done what will be the next event ;)

fredley

2:50 PM

@Blem answerscool

Grace Note

@Blem Tune in next year!

Blem

Elder scroll MMO!

fbueckert

@Blem Bleh.

SaintWacko

Argh, ghosts are driving my dorfs mad

Blem

other choices that i can think of will be the next blizzard expansion (diablo3 or wow?)

Fluttershy

2:54 PM

Our site visits look like a child's drawing.

I feel like it needs poorly drawn fish and a boat.

Blem

it needs a shark and some fish

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@SaintWacko You forgot to bury your dead?

fbueckert

@Fluttershy We get spikes during the weekend.

Mad Scientist

@GraceNote Any ideas why AnswerSwarm doesn't seem to have attracted much additional traffic, unlike previous contests?

djsmiley2k

@SaintWacko make all the slabs.

Michel

2:56 PM

@Fluttershy Boat please

SaintWacko

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I reclaimed a fallen fortress

There are bodies everywhere

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Ah. You need to bury them in coffins quick, or carve out slabs for them.

Whichever is faster or easier to do, I guess

FEichinger

@Michel SO is evil.

SaintWacko

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Yeah, I'm producing coffins as fast as I can

Grace Note

@MadScientist Apparently it was a poor game choice.

Michel

2:59 PM

@FEichinger SO and @kalina are in the same level? I don't think so... @kalina is devilish

badp

youtube.com/watch?v=R7HbCkU_-cM (not safe for life)

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@MadScientist Even without the contest the release of the new game should create a noticable increase in traffic, right?

@badp Technically speaking, it's only NSFW language, but yeah, after watching that I think I need to reevaluate my life a little

Mad Scientist

@YiJiang'sEvilClone For the big ones, yeah. Maybe because it is more of an expansion and not a full game

FEichinger

@Michel SO is worse. SO and MSO are the depths of SE that you should never touch. Ever. :P

@Michel Sooo ... you got an answer to your question there yet?

Blem

@YiJiang'sEvilClone not enough new content in the expansion, expansions are not a good choice i would think

Michel

3:01 PM

@FEichinger I'm a little afraid of posting in MSO. I posted there when I was noobier than I'm now... omg that was hell

Mad Scientist

RPGs seem to work best here to attract traffic, they are well-suited to the Q&A format

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@badp Also, is it me or is he really being serious when he say that you can excuse these players because you can hear the same language being used on the field of any sports, like soccer or rugby?

Michel

►

badp

@YiJiang'sEvilClone You're ahead of me somehow

FEichinger

@Michel I still don't post there. The hostility from some people over there is just crazy.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

3:03 PM

@badp Fast forward to the 3:30 mark

Blem

@badp Asians are just more productive, even when it comes to watching Youtube videos! ;)

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Blem I watched the video already

Grace Note

Basically, the game itself wasn't nearly as hyped (maybe it took too long to come out since Wings of Liberty?), and also being an expansion, we didn't actually have a huge amount to bring to the table for just the first week.

badp

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I'm afraid he is as serious as he is wrong

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

I was hoping he was being (very) sarcastic

FEichinger

3:04 PM

@Michel Anyways, as far as I can tell, you're right. the *.js replaced the *.css - see the included packages list.

badp

@Michel you know that dude is acting right?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Then again the British accent can make anything sound sarcastic

Michel

@badp Eeyup. But is still funny =P

badp

@Michel ಠ_ಠ

OrigamiRobot

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Lazers

3:06 PM

0

Q: Steam Connection Dialog

A period of time after I've logged onto my computer a (minimisable) steam dialogue box appears telling me I am not connected, this one. I first press "Quit". This dismisses the dialog window (and displays a smaller non-interactive one saying "quitting"). But then opens the steam browser in offl...

steam technical-issues

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot Pfff

Michel

@FEichinger I found the new versions. stackoverflow.com/questions/820412/…

FEichinger

@Michel Aaah, so that was the problem.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@BenBrocka :| chat.stackexchange.com/messages/8612600/history

I... appreciate the effort, but you just made the code (almost) completely useless for anyone on Windows

Michel

@FEichinger Eeyup. It's being amost a year since I last updated the javascript =X

FEichinger

3:09 PM

@Michel Well, I'm one of those filthy PHP conservatives who believe a site should function without client-side scripting. :P

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

(The point of that line of code is to give chat a font which has the glyphs necessary to display the Zalgo stuff. Since most Windows PCs don't have Helvetica, that line of code now does nothing)

Powerlord

Zalgo is evil.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

I mean, you could've at least changed it to Helvetica, Arial so that there's a fallback

OrigamiRobot

Mad Scientist

Hmm, Skyrim, Diablo 3 and Minecraft represent 40% of the total site traffic

OrigamiRobot

3:12 PM

Better.

Ben Brocka

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Most windows PCs don't have Helvetica? Mine sure does and I've never gone out of my way to install it

FEichinger

@YiJiang'sEvilClone 'sans-serif'

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@BenBrocka I don't think so, no.

I thought the entire point of Arial was for them to avoid licensing Helvetica

Ben Brocka

I guess it comes with Windows 7

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@FEichinger Looking for a specific font here. sans-serif is a generic fallback which may or may not have the glyphs needed

Grace Note

3:14 PM

@OrigamiRobot Poorkchop.

FEichinger

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Falls back to the primary sans font, though. Which usually is Arial on Windows and a custom on Linux, for instance.

OrigamiRobot

@GraceNote You told him not to pet the shark.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@OrigamiRobot Is that... @Raven eating @fredley?

Grace Note

This does sound like advice I would give.

FEichinger

Which, traditionally, all have most characters defined.

Grace Note

3:15 PM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Raven is a red shark.

OrigamiRobot

@YiJiang'sEvilClone No, raven is red.

FEichinger

@YiJiang'sEvilClone en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_fonts <- No Helvetica

kalina

ooh

new DLC for Mass Effect

djsmiley2k

o_O

OrigamiRobot

@fredley Biomass, blood, and steam for the sides, lava for the top, and oil for the bottom?

djsmiley2k

3:18 PM

\o/ EA

fbueckert

@djsmiley2k I need to negative star this.

djsmiley2k

hahaha

FEichinger

<-- Is one of those EA haters who bought Tropico 4 out of spite and stuff like that.

Michel

@FEichinger It's a little faster if they are hosted. I'm tired of php. I learned to code in php, alone... so my boss asked me to do something simple like a form or a file upload... I remember that I spend a whole day until I find out why that didn't work... Learning without some guidance sucks >.<

@FEichinger But I did it with CSS, HTML, javascript, jQuery, C#, .Net, VB, C ...

Martin Sojka

@fredley Could you pump blood instead, preferably of the innocents?

FEichinger

3:22 PM

@Michel I got pretty comfy with PHP. Never had any real problems with small stuff. I just like to make more abstract projects which result in me rebuilding from scratch every couple of months.

@Michel But my point isn't speed. The problem is that people should be able to use a site, even if they disable JavaScript.

Powerlord

Yay PHP, the only language ever where your code can break simply because a server is running with a different INI file than yours.

Michel

@FEichinger lolz... Because I learned alone and found some REALLY weird codes. I'm "best practice" and "faster ways" maniac...

FEichinger

@Powerlord Not true. Properly written, PHP is essentially immune to that.

Powerlord

@FEichinger Not as long as php.ini can disable arbitrary functions it can't.

FEichinger

@Michel Oh well. :P

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

3:25 PM

@FEichinger Not all php.ini options can be overriden at runtime, unfortunately

Michel

@FEichinger The sites that I build, if they disable the javascript, half site should stop working (Galleries, pop-ups, special effects...) Let's say that my designers like to test my knowledge ... >.<

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

I had problems with the short tag option, which I didn't notice was disabled in my local testing environment, but was enabled by my host. It's also one of those options which can't be overriden at runtime.

FEichinger

@Powerlord These are all things you can anticipate, however. I've yet to run into issues with the ini's settings on any server.

@Michel That's the thing, though. While these features are fancy, they should be an enhancement to the site, not its base.

Powerlord

@FEichinger You can anticipate disable_functions or disable_classes being used on commonly used things?

Michel

I want to learn some interaction with Photoshop dlls, so I can use them in a web site. A while ago, I read something about it being possible.

FEichinger

3:27 PM

@Powerlord You can anticipate it being used on reasonable choices. People who have no idea how to use the ini usually shouldn't be touching it either way.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Michel Doesn't DLLs only run in a Windows environment?

SaintWacko

Wow

Fortress just fell again

Powerlord

@FEichinger Like, say... on fopen?

SaintWacko

Forgotten beast came up from the caverns

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@SaintWacko That was fast

SaintWacko

3:27 PM

With some sort of dust attack

Michel

@FEichinger Can't do much about that >.< If it was for me, I'll build as you said. But still with hosted libs. =P

SaintWacko

Pretty much instantly killed everything it touched

Powerlord

Because heaven forbid that you need to read files in your app.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@SaintWacko Ooo, those are the best

SaintWacko

@YiJiang'sEvilClone That was ridiculous

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

3:28 PM

@Powerlord That's... not a commonly disabled function.

SaintWacko

Well, time to reclaim again!

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Why would anyone want to disable that?

@SaintWacko Would the FB still be there, lying in waiting? :P

Michel

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Eeyup. This is why I got interested. I'm not sure what was the article talking about, but was something like using PS features in websites

Powerlord

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Security on shared hosting environments.

SaintWacko

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I really hope not

FEichinger

3:29 PM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone It's reasonable to disable it, if you want to avoid direct file access. Hooowever, the reasonable way to actually do that is to disable fwrite();

Powerlord

And yes, some hosts disable it for exactly that reason.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Michel Have you looked at PHP's ImageMagik and GD module?

Michel

@YiJiang'sEvilClone not that I remember... I have being so focused in learn LINQ and data structure for WCF using C#.Net that I'm not able to follow front-end development news...

SaintWacko

Oh, god, it is

badp

eh. I really hope ImageMagik has better binds than PHP

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

3:31 PM

I had a fire breathing FB once. Got it trapped in a miner's 'rest room', which is basically a hole dug into the side of the cavern with some stockpile of booze and food

FEichinger

Yet, as I said, you can anticipate that. While my CMS couldn't be installed or updated without fopen() (reasonably so), an already extracted version would work perfectly fine. It's all doable. Just gotta be prepared.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

It burned one of my axedorf to ashes and injured several others before being chopped to pieces by the squad

SaintWacko

Sonofabitch

I just embarked with a military squad and it wiped them out

Michel

@SaintWacko o.O?

Martin Sojka

You just created your own Moria.

Coronus

3:36 PM

Greetings and good morning, Arqadians.

Samuele Mattiuzzo

good afternoon

(gmt)

fbueckert

@Coronus Good morning.

SaintWacko

@MartinSojka Yeah...

OrigamiRobot

@Coronus Arqanoids*

Ben Brocka

Aranoicadians

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

3:42 PM

Hmmm. Is the CC-BY-SA license a viral license?

Yes, yes it is. Hmmmm.

Grace Note

@YiJiang'sEvilClone A firebreathing... firebreather?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@GraceNote Forgotten Beast

Grace Note

Oh. That's less redundant.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

It could also be a Facebook monster.

Ben Brocka

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Yeah, the Share Alike provision is

Grace Note

3:46 PM

The thought had crossed my mind all so slightly.

Coronus

@GraceNote Yeah, when I read that, I was amused that it was a FB-FB... ^_^

@OrigamiRobot Thank you! I was expecting that!

OrigamiRobot

What beta?

Sconibulus

I had that too yesterday

Coronus

@OrigamiRobot The Steam beta.

OrigamiRobot

What steam beta?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

3:51 PM

@OrigamiRobot Everyone has this, for some reason

OrigamiRobot

What was I beta testing?

When did I even agree to beta test?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

I don't think we were.

It's just a glitch. I think.

Coronus

They had some popup months back that asked if you wanted to take part in their beta. You probably clicked it like I did, thinking "Yeah, sure" and promptly forgot about it, like I did.

OrigamiRobot

I DEMAND ANSWERS

kalina

@OrigamiRobot raise a question then

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

3:53 PM

@Coronus No, definitely not. I had that popup too, and I was fairly sure I had no active beta

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot The medulla oblongata.

Coronus

@OrigamiRobot 42

OrigamiRobot