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Ender

16:00

@Yi Jiang LMFAO

Grace Note

@djsmiley2k I can't answer the Arumat one.

Ben Brocka

@YiJiang'sEvilClone EXPLOOOOOSIONS!!!

Grace Note

@YiJiang'sEvilClone This artstyle looks familiar to me but I'm way too lazy.

fbueckert

@GraceNote It was a common issue, according to GameFAQs.

djsmiley2k

it's an annoying one no matter what :<

fbueckert

16:00

I don't think they ever resolved it.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@GraceNote inkandwhitespace.com

Or, gocomics.com/heavenly-nostrils

Grace Note

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Thanks. Are you the one I sentenced to Unsounded right during their hiatus?

fbueckert

I traded it for The Last Rebellion.

Grace Note

@djsmiley2k Ah, and you already answered the one I could've. Natch.

fbueckert

If NISA hadn't published that, I would've returned that, too. Such a bad game.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

16:01

@GraceNote Yes. Curse you for that.

Grace Note

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Hey, they're running now, though.

djsmiley2k

hehe

@GraceNote can you put it better?

my answer feels complicated

Grace Note

At best I could restructure your answer.

djsmiley2k

i'm just thinking through things that have come up as I've played the game

Grace Note

Though for now you're just reminding me that I need to actually finish the game.

djsmiley2k

16:02

even with a walkthrough I've missed things

what, the first time?

Grace Note

I have a kind of habit where I pick up a game, play until the last dungeon or just before the last boss, then kinda not finish it.

agent86

@Ender np, best of luck fixing it :)

djsmiley2k

@GraceNote 55min extro.

agent86

I've only played one star ocean game, and I think I gave up on it.

fbueckert

@GraceNote Yup. Me, too.

djsmiley2k

16:03

and then all the extras after finishing.

Grace Note

Not that I dislike the game or actually tired of it. Just something else catches my interest and it always happens right when it would've taken just a bit longer to complete the game.

fbueckert

I even OCD and get everything else beforehand.

agent86

I think it was "till the end of time" or something

Grace Note

@agent86 That's the third one, PS2, first 3D, etc.

djsmiley2k

i was going to do all this extra stuff the first time i completed it

but then lots of other games appeared and I stopped

plus I think I missed one chest.

Grace Note

16:04

I'm still driven entirely insane by the lack of any action taken by Tri-Ace to make Star Ocean multiplayer for battles.

agent86

@GraceNote yeah, certainly PS2. Just could not make myself continue.

Grace Note

I'd be a lot less miffed if they didn't make VALKYRIE PROFILE 2 multiplayer for battles.

fbueckert

@GraceNote Just play the Tales games.

agent86

I think Disgaea and La Pucelle Tactics broke me on JRPGs. I got through those two games and just said "OKAY, I've had enough of this entire genre."

Grace Note

A game where, literally, the most the player can do is press up to 3 buttons.

fbueckert

16:05

There's enough chaos going on there.

@agent86 Those are the two games that made me love them even more.

Grace Note

@fbueckert That's an eventual point but, unlike the Star Ocean games, I don't own those.

fredley

@GraceNote ME3?

fbueckert

@GraceNote Play Tales of Graces f. Grab a friend.

Grace Note

@fredley Didn't even touch the series.

fbueckert

It is glorious.

Lazers

16:06

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Q: Can monsters/bandits spawn in my house?

I've just built my very first house (Heartfire DLC). I went downstairs and I had to fight 5 big rats (I forgot the name of those creatures - Skeevers?) Will they respawn? Can bandits make vandalism in my house/stable/etc.? Can a follower stay there forever and take care of those circumstances?

skyrim-hearthfire

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Q: Fastest way to 30,000 kills with Arumat?

What is the fastest way to get the 30,000 kills Battle Trophy on Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope? I'm thinking grinding something simple like bugs on Aeos but it's so boring, I'm wondering if something else would be better such as the scumbags and having fol+++ items to increase the fol return. Is t...

star-ocean-4

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Q: What is the best equipment setup for the Cave of Seven Stars?

So I'm in the Cave of 7 stars, currently around level 100. I don't require lots of XP or Fol really, as I have many hours of grinding for the rest of the trophies anyway, so I'm wondering what equipment would be best for here. Obviously I want to block as many statuses as possible as that is the...

star-ocean-4

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Q: If police from another city apprehend a criminal in your city, where is that criminal rehabilitated?

I have started a small town, and in order to save money I am volunteering a couple extra patrol cars from a nearby city with a large police precinct. At times, i get a notification about them coming to my town and providing coverage. In a city with its own police station, criminals are arrested a...

simcity

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Q: How can I get Faize AND Arumat's battle trophies when one of them isn't going to be in my party?

So either Faize or Arumat isn't in the party, how can I go about getting trophies for both of them? I know after finishing I can reload and get the other person to come with me, however that doesn't explain how I can get the trophies for both.

star-ocean-4

Grace Note

@fbueckert Why would I need a friend? I have a brother.

agent86

I think FF13 put the nail in the coffin. I gave that game a chance and it did me wrong

fbueckert

@GraceNote Your brother is not your friend?

You poor, poor person, you.

Grace Note

@fbueckert Kinda is a higher level than friend, so, yes, he isn't my friend. He's my brother.

Ben Brocka

@GraceNote's family members have genders?!

djsmiley2k

16:07

i liked ff13 :o

fbueckert

@GraceNote True. I do more for my brother than I ever would for a friend.

Grace Note

We're friendly? Yes. We're friends? No.

djsmiley2k

@BenBrocka in hungarian they don't./

fbueckert

My definition is that family members fit the friend definition much more than friends do.

Grace Note

@fbueckert That seems like you should revise the definition of friends then. So that your friends don't feel left out.

fbueckert

16:09

@GraceNote In the sense that since I do everything for family I would do for friends, they automatically fit into the friend definition, too.

Wee, relationship hierarchies!

Sterno

I just hate everyone equally. Easier that way.

Ben Brocka

stupid low credit card limit

Jason Berkan

@agent86 My experience is roughly the same. Loved JRPGs as a kid - went away for 15+ years, came back and played FF13. Not a fan anymore.

agent86

@JasonBerkan it was a weird sensation. I've never just gone from loving an entire genre to just outright loathing it before. CONGRATULATIONS JAPAN, A WINNER IS YOU

djsmiley2k

the probelm was FF13 had a 15 hour tutorial.

Jason Berkan

16:13

FF13 had many problems. One was a sleep inducing combat system. X, X, X, X, X, X, ...

djsmiley2k

iu was bout to say that #:P

Grace Note

...what's the noun for the skill of being a blacksmith? Smithery? Smithing?

djsmiley2k

and very simplifed :<

agent86

@GraceNote I think smithing.

fbueckert

@GraceNote Smithing, I would think.

Grace Note

16:13

Smithery it is, then!

agent86

@GraceNote contrarian (n) see GraceNote

fredley

@JasonBerkan Minecraft combat?

fbueckert

@JasonBerkan To be fair, that didn't work on any of the real bosses.

Jason Berkan

@fredley Minecraft is not a combat game - it's a world building game.

fbueckert

ie. The adamantoises and such.

Jason Berkan

16:15

JRPGs are combat games.

fredley

@JasonBerkan But I need to build bits of the world out of zombie brains!

Jason Berkan

@fbueckert The ones after the game was over? Never bothered.

fbueckert

@JasonBerkan Yeah. Most don't.

djsmiley2k

but that where the real game was

¬_)¬

fbueckert

It didn't help that combat was real time, so taking time to choose your attacks penalized you.

Jason Berkan

16:17

You don't get there until after 60 hours, so no thanks.

fbueckert

And the AI was pretty braindead about doing that, too.

I like that they added an auto-battle option; made it more accessible to new people.

There should've been a turn-based option, though.

StrixVaria

Final Fantasy 13 was better than I expected it to be. It was still pretty damn bad, though.

badp

@GraceNote Smithingness

Grace Note

@badp I like it!

StrixVaria

@GraceNote Smith is already a noun.

Grace Note

16:19

...and for a second I totally subvocalized that in Ben Stein's voice.

fredley

@badp Smithingity

Grace Note

@StrixVaria I can't be skilled in "smith". It's a job, not an act. I could be skilled in being a smith, but I can't be skilled in it.

StrixVaria

@GraceNote Smithing...

Grace Note

@StrixVaria You sound like those other folks!

fbueckert

Today's CAD comic.

badp

16:20

Smithing? What's next, Marking?

Grace Note

I thought they ended

badp

Franking?

fbueckert

Relevant to Monster Hunters. @Wipqozn.

badp

Adaming?

ta-bum-dsssh

StrixVaria

@badp Smith is a surname, not a given name.

Grace Note

16:21

@badp I was thinking they'd start marketing us the concept of "Marketing" as the skill for merchants! Yeesh.

Jason Berkan

@badp The act of marking an exam?

badp

@GraceNote Clearly the skill of marking things with their right price is Marking.

@JasonBerkan @StrixVaria has it

Grace Note

@badp You're right. That's what it should be.

StrixVaria

I shouldn't have joined this conversation. I still don't know what's going on.

agent86

not knowing what is going on is a reason not to argue about it? we should shut down the internet :/

5

badp

16:23

ABANDON INTERNET

agent86

mashes the "shutdown everything" button

StrixVaria

Grace Note

@StrixVaria It's just a by-product of a paragraph about a person who is learned in the ways of a blacksmith.

That said, it's getting weird because "less than substantial" feels very weird to use in reference to a person as something that is not actually an insult.

badp

internet abandonment critical failure

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

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Jason Berkan

16:28

@fbueckert That was my other problem with the combat. Once it progressed beyond press X to win, it became this super fast and crazy action game that people with poor motor skills (like me) find difficult. I play RPGs because I suck at action games.

Sterno

@agent86 Everyone told me "Oh, yeah, well, okay, FF13 wasn't all that good, but FF13-2 is great!" Lying jerks.

fbueckert

@JasonBerkan I was all about the, "OMG! Must execute actions as quickly as possible!"

So if I was doing it myself, I was mashing the button to choose actions, anyways.

Which didn't lend itself well to picking good actions.

Just picking actions quickly.

Jason Berkan

(And I really should not try to participate in a conference call and chat at the same time.)

agent86

@Sterno yeah, I've yet to fall into the 13-2 trap. I may give it a chance someday, but outlook not good.

fbueckert

@Sterno I liked them both.

fredley

16:31

@JasonBerkan Pause, select each party member and assign action/spell, unpause, watch for a second or two, GOTO 10

fbueckert

Neither is perfect, but I had fun with them.

agent86

I have too little time for too many games, so the overall entertainment value of each minute spent in a game has to be extremely high

fbueckert

But now, you will lose me to Monster Hunter for the forseeable future.

Jason Berkan

@fredley I don't think you could do that in FF13.

fredley

@JasonBerkan That is the ideal RPG though. See: Baldur's Gate

Jason Berkan

16:32

@fredley True. That is the way to do combat correctly.

fredley

@JasonBerkan Combat is a slow process that takes time and thought.

fbueckert

@fredley Dragon Age had that ability, too.

fredley

@fbueckert Yeah

fbueckert

FF-13 is just, "Mash all the keys as quickly as possible!"

Jason Berkan

Speaking of my awesome action skills, @fredley - did you see me die twice yesterday on the server?

fredley

16:36

@JasonBerkan No, missed that.

Jason Berkan

@fredley Does it broadcast the deaths to everyone on the server?

fredley

@JasonBerkan Build a powersuit when you've got a decent supply of iron. Very OP, basically makes it impossible to die for pretty cheap

@JasonBerkan Yes

Sterno

@fbueckert You're what's wrong with America.

Jason Berkan

@Sterno Canada.

fredley

@JasonBerkan I had my head full of machinery though

fbueckert

16:37

@Sterno Good thing I'm Canadian.

Sterno

@fbueckert Oh. That makes perfect sense, then.

agent86

@fbueckert I think all bioware rpgs do, ME1-3 did, iirc.

Jason Berkan

Once was @OrigamiRob's fault. I drowned swimming out of his "Seekrit Underwater Base."

agent86

less options, to be sure, and more action-y, but it was still there

fbueckert

@agent86 Does DA2?

OrigamiRobot

16:37

@JasonBerkan ಠ_ಠ

fbueckert

I heard it got all action-y.

agent86

@fbueckert never played DA2. got frustrated by crashes in DA1 and said eff this.

fbueckert

@agent86 Yeah, I'm running into that with Etherlords 2 right now; game has no windowed mode, won't let me alt-tab, and whenever something forcibly takes focus away from it, it dies.

OrigamiRobot

@JasonBerkan What? All you have to do is swim to the whirlpool and go straight down.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot And not fall to your death

OrigamiRobot

16:39

You technically don't even have to go underwater.

@fredley I forget that fall damage exists.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot You should put a transposer at the bottom to suck up ~~hapless adventurer's loot~~ ink sacs

Jason Berkan

@OrigamiRobot I was trying to get out.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Me too. Vanilla is a problem

OrigamiRobot

@fredley That is in the works

Mad Scientist

@fbueckert You can pause there as well

fbueckert

16:40

@MadScientist So not quite as action-y as FF-13, then.

OrigamiRobot

@JasonBerkan Ah, I see. There is a linking book to the Workshop in my storage room.

Mad Scientist

@fbueckert Never played FF

Grace Note

...interesting.

OrigamiRobot

@fredley I've started to get really angry that I always have ink sacs in my inventory thanks to the stupid squid.

Jason Berkan

@OrigamiRobot I'll be sure to use that next time.

SaintWacko

16:41

@MadScientist None of them?

OrigamiRobot

I need to work on the aesthetics more.

Mad Scientist

@SaintWacko No

SaintWacko

@MadScientist Wow

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Can they be converted to anything useful?

OrigamiRobot

@fredley Do you know how the player detectors work?

@fredley I use them for my lighting

SaintWacko

16:42

@fredley Black sheep

fredley

@OrigamiRobot No.

OrigamiRobot

@fredley Inverted Dark Xychorium Lamp

Grace Note

...uh oh.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot They are very cool. I'm using RP2 lamps, but really want to build more xycraft stuff. Can't wait for more of that modpack to make it in

OrigamiRobot

@fredley I'm saving all the crystals.

fredley

16:44

@OrigamiRobot Smelt smelt smelt

Otherwise you'll end up with a massive backlog of smelting to do

OrigamiRobot

I could and should do that

fredley

@OrigamiRobot I had to smelt 1500 crystals, it was a pain

OrigamiRobot

Especially since you can craft them back to crystals anyway

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Yup

@OrigamiRobot Also if you smelt you can auto-craft to blocks for better storage efficiency

OrigamiRobot

I can set up another filter to bypass my pulverizer and go straight to the furnace

@fredley I haven't messed with any autocrafting stuff. I know how to do it, I just haven't.

fredley

16:47

@OrigamiRobot Yeah, it's pretty easy but requires a modicum of thought, especially when balancing for multiple items

OrigamiRobot

@fredley Is there an easy way to transport EU like there is MJ?

i.e. something similar to a tesseract

fredley

@OrigamiRobot No. For inter-dimensional transport you need to use complex ender-chest/lapotronic crystal setups

OrigamiRobot

Blegh

@fredley Liquid Tesseracts it is

fredley

@OrigamiRobot What do you need to transfer for?

OrigamiRobot

Convenience and prettiness

I don't like running pipes and cables all over the place

Jason Berkan

16:51

@fredley - Do we have a blast furnace somewhere?

fredley

@OrigamiRobot For your subterranean setup, I'd have Igneous Extruders feeding Magma Furnace to generate lava, feed into Geothermal generator

@JasonBerkan There's a few around

OrigamiRobot

@fredley Generating is not the problem. Getting it to where I want it can get ugly.

fredley

@JasonBerkan Use the one in my base if you want, currently you can get in through the gaping hole in the ground next to my farms

@OrigamiRobot Diamond fibre cable is the only way

OrigamiRobot

@fredley I can do bio generators and liquid tesseracts and have local energy pods

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Generate lava and liquid tesseract it to where you need it

OrigamiRobot

16:53

Biomass!

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Lava is cooler than biomass

Jason Berkan

Um, lava is generally hot.

fredley

In fact, I now know what I'm going to build in my Top Secret volcano base!

OrigamiRobot

I'd rather melt organics down.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Lava

kalina

16:54

lol

OrigamiRobot

Biomass!

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Bio fuel

kalina

my boss just said "beat it until it's hard"

3

SaintWacko

@fredley Hm, I wonder where your Top Secret volcano base is hidden

kalina

I didn't hear the rest of the context

I just burst out laughing

SaintWacko

16:54

@kalina Not important

OrigamiRobot

@fredley Yea, but it's so much work

fredley

@SaintWacko I wonder...

OrigamiRobot

And it's orange

kalina

now I'm crying :(

too much laughter

OrigamiRobot

I like green better

fredley

16:55

@OrigamiRobot Orange > Green

OrigamiRobot

No!

SaintWacko

@fredley Green > Orange

kalina

orange > green

fredley

@SaintWacko UUUUUUUUUUHM NO!

OrigamiRobot

brb asking Orange vs Green on meta

SaintWacko

16:55

@OrigamiRobot I will upvote

kalina

brb vtc as not a real question

OrigamiRobot

I like green better because I can reference Soylent Green

And I like the thought of powering my robot base off people.

kalina

I like green because I can reference marijuana

but orange is a nicer colour

OrigamiRobot

Orange is a gross color.

fredley

@kalina My bedroom as an adolescent was Safron

kalina

16:57

orange is an awesome colour

SaintWacko

I like green because green is a nicer colour

OrigamiRobot

I like oranges and carrots though.

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Everything in our office is orange

Every mug

The floors

The chairs

kalina

I mean obviously the best colour in the world is red

fredley

The cupboards

SaintWacko

16:57

@kalina Eh...

OrigamiRobot

@fredley Do you work for Nickelodeon?

kalina

and orange is closer to red than green is

Fluttershy

I seem to have amassed a large percentage of Unsporting conduct on Xbox Live. O_o

kalina

@Fluttershy I always knew you were a bit of a trouble maker

OrigamiRobot

@Fluttershy I did that by using only the chainsaw in GoW

djsmiley2k

16:58

@Fluttershy winning is unsporting ya know?

fredley

@OrigamiRobot Orange

Fluttershy

@kalina My best guess is it's from my consistent 30-40+ and 0 games in CoD:MW2... <_<

kalina

@fredley you work there?

fredley

@kalina Yes. That information is easily deducable from my profile info on SO so I don't mind posting it.

kalina

@Fluttershy told you, trouble maker

@fredley BRB DEPLOYING NUKES

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