The Bridge

Koviko

6:00 PM

30 secs ago, by Koviko

Manipulating those people into thinking you are posting stolen photos gives you points.

Frank

@Batophobia That's a loaded issue. I'm not sure there's a right or wrong on that.

Koviko

I wasn't finished my thought, sorry.'

Frank

Which is actually a very good point.

murgatroid99

@MadScientist I always thought the creepshots thing was a bit borderline. It's not illegal to take pictures of people in public

Batophobia

@Frank Yes, but my point is that you can agree that you disagree and just not interfere with what others are doing, even if you believe it wrong, evil, or satanic

Koviko

6:01 PM

@murgatroid99 It's not illegal to public post photos of people without their consent onto the Internet, either.

Kevin van der Velden

@Koviko That means there is still a place for stolen pictures

Mad Scientist

@murgatroid99 Publishing them without consent is in some countries at least

Koviko

@KevinvanderVelden Yeah. The Internet.

murgatroid99

@MadScientist I don't know for sure, but I don't think it is in America

Kevin van der Velden

@Koviko and we should try to not violate peoples rights and remove places where that happens

murgatroid99

6:01 PM

People take pictures all the time and put them on the internet without their knowledge

Koviko

@KevinvanderVelden Why's that?

What right is being violated?

Mad Scientist

@murgatroid99 In Germany it is not allowed in many cases

Unionhawk

@madscientist in the United States, your right to privacy applies in restrooms and your own home if the blinds are closed.

Koviko

@Unionhawk On that note: If someone consents to photography in their home, is it illegal to have that photo?

Frank

@Batophobia That's not what you said, though. You said, "Don't like it? Don't use it". That tacitly condones behaviour that should not be.

Kevin van der Velden

6:03 PM

@murgatroid99 if you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy and you are not the subject of the photo, in american law you may post the image wherever. If those do not apply then it is illegal

murgatroid99

@KevinvanderVelden That's why I specifically said "in public"

Batophobia

@Unionhawk You clearly posted that from your mobile device at the library, no privacy for you

Koviko

@Frank That's like saying if you don't care about gay marriage that you condone it. Maybe you are just neutral.

Everything doesn't require activism.

Batophobia

^^

Kevin van der Velden

@murgatroid99 I missed the creepshots thing. Those are always illegal without consent I believe

murgatroid99

6:04 PM

@KevinvanderVelden Wait, what are?

Koviko

@KevinvanderVelden That's not true.

Kevin van der Velden

Nope wait, not "technically illegal"

Koviko

Photos of people in public places are legal.

murgatroid99

@KevinvanderVelden Isn't that the same thing we were talking about?

Unionhawk

It's not illegal to photograph a person in public. It's at least slightly rude, but not illegal.

Koviko

6:05 PM

Also, taking a private photo is an invasion of privacy, but is it illegal or just an invasion?

Like, is there a fine or jailtime?

Kevin van der Velden

@murgatroid99 it started with stolen pictures

murgatroid99

@Koviko I'm pretty sure that if the person expects privacy, it is illegal

Frank

@Koviko Which is also a valid point. The attitude I'm specifically challenging is that you should be ignoring everything you don't like.

Kevin van der Velden

Creepshots are a different thing

Batophobia

@Koviko This would be very hard to make illegal. "Here is my family at Disney World with all other people Photoshopped out to avoid legal issues"

murgatroid99

6:05 PM

@KevinvanderVelden OK, then I don't know what you're using the word "creepshots" to mean

Koviko

See, now I'm really interested in photography law.

People get really offended when they are on camera and not consenting

Even when their consent isn't required

murgatroid99

Photography and the law

Photography tends to be protected by the law through copyright and moral rights. Photography tends to be restricted by the law through miscellaneous criminal offenses. Publishing certain photographs can be restricted by privacy law. Photography of certain subject matter can be generally restricted in the interests of public morality and the protection of children. == United Kingdom == === Legal restrictions on photography === In general under the law of the United Kingdom one cannot prevent photography of private property from a public place, and in general the right to take photograp...

Koviko

Television has made people think that lack of consent means they can't be filmed or photographed

Kevin van der Velden

@murgatroid99 you started with creepshots, I've said stolen pictures all along. Stolen pictures being: Either stolen from computers or (not technically stolen but same problem) private consensual porn that is shared without consent (of both parties)

murgatroid99

Specifically, in the US:

> It is legal to photograph or videotape anything and anyone on any public property

Koviko

6:07 PM

When the "consent" is just using your likeness for commercial reasons, not pointing the camera at you.

Which is an employment issue: actors are paid. You consent to not be paid.

murgatroid99

@KevinvanderVelden Actually, I was responding to Mad Scientist's comment about creepshots. Then you stepped in

Kevin van der Velden

@murgatroid99 true, I'm also playing games atm

Sorry

Koviko

@KevinvanderVelden In the true spirit of Arqade!

I'm at work ._.

murgatroid99

I'm at work

Unionhawk

EXCUSES

Kevin van der Velden

6:08 PM

Mwuahahaha

Origami Robot

I'M USING AUTOCAD

murgatroid99

@OrigamiRobot we can tell

Kevin van der Velden

I am currently playing games and am therefor clearly superior to all of you non game playing people.

Unionhawk

There's a fucking substitute? Ughhh

Just cancel class sigh

Origami Robot

@Unionhawk IN COLLEGE?

Unionhawk

6:10 PM

Yuuuuuuup

Batophobia

If pictures of people is illegal, then Michael Collins probably has a few lawsuits waiting for this picutre

Origami Robot

ANYTIME OUR PROFESSOR WAS UNEXPECTEDLY SICK OR SOEMTHING, THEY JUST CANCELED CLASS

StrixVaria

@Unionhawk I had a substitute once in my Linear Algebra class. I learned more on that day than I did in every other lecture for the course combined.

DwarfSlice

Bloodborne music (not really)

Unionhawk

That's usually how it goes, but not today apparently

Origami Robot

6:11 PM

IF IT WAS A KNOWN OR EXTENDED ABSENCE, WE MIGHT HAVE HAD A SUB

OR IF IT WAS A TEST DAY

Kevin van der Velden

@Batophobia what people can you distinguish on that picture?

Also, taking is rarely prohibited, publishing is

Batophobia

@KevinvanderVelden Irrelevant, that picture is on the internet, I am in it somewhere without consent, insert angry rant here

Unionhawk

One time my professor was sick on the exam day. She just gave the class hundreds. It was the best.

Lazers

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Q: Majesty northern expansion on Android. How can I win that level?

I tried the map dwarves amusement several times already and can't seem to find a strategy that might work. The previous maps all were OK. This one is weird because I lost even faster on easy setting compared to medium (peacekeeper). Any hint how to approach this would be appreciated.

Unionhawk

I'm convinced she just didn't feel like grading stuff

James

6:13 PM

The test scores were probably making her sick

Batophobia

@Unionhawk One time we had a test so hard everyone failed. Next day the prof threw a "Sorry the test was so hard" party and we had snacks the whole period

murgatroid99

@Batophobia You're probably obscured by something

badp

HURRY GOOGLE

#compulsivefanboyism

Rapitor

@Unionhawk I had a teacher that if you came in and didn't break anything. you pass.

Batophobia

@badp Your system is dating now?

better keep it away from those i-thingamajigs

badp

6:15 PM

@Batophobia It's ready for it, yes.

Origami Robot

@Unionhawk IN MY HIGH SCHOOL THERE WAS A RULE THAT SENOIRS COULD OPT OUT OF FINALS IF THEY HAD AN A IN THE CLASS. WHEN I WAS A JUNIOR, I TOOK A SENIOR LEVEL CLASS. I WAS SICK FOR EXAM DAY AND WHEN I WENT IN FOR THE MAKE UP EXAM, MY TEACHER WAS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. FINALLY FOUND HIM OUT BACK BARBEQUING AND HE SAID "OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE A SENIOR AND EXEMPTED YOU. IS THAT OK?"

badp

MY NEXUS IS READY

murgatroid99

@badp "In the coming weeks" doesn't mean "right now"

badp

@murgatroid99 how does that help?

Koviko

@Batophobia System is DTF

murgatroid99

6:15 PM

@badp I'm not helping

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Unionhawk

@ori Yeah, that was a thing in high school

Hamstare @koviko

James

Ah high school

An entire period of life that never matters as long as you were there.

murgatroid99

Starbait is so easy

2

Rapitor

Stop encouraging him.

badp

In a few hours he'll be sobbing in a corner as his every message continues to receive two stars

Origami Robot

6:18 PM

NO ONE EVER STARS MY STARBAIT :(

James

Someone trying to use up their stars for the day?

Unionhawk

DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO

Koviko

upboat me 4 redit glod

DwarfSlice

pls no

Koviko

> dont kno how to greentext

DwarfSlice

6:19 PM

Speaking of reddit

reddit.com/r/indiejunction

badp

►

DwarfSlice

new indiegaming subreddit

murgatroid99

@Koviko obligatory edit: thanks for the gold

James

You guys are a little harder to take some mornings.. Illl be over there -=>

Unionhawk

Is it a new indie gaming sub with blackjack and mods who don't care about self promotion?

badp

6:21 PM

@James in the star list? Don't! Itz filthy in zere

James

@badp OMG Stop scrolling me into the star list!! Noooooo Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo pft

DwarfSlice

kickstarter.com/projects/2099606325/basement

StrixVaria

@DwarfSlice When this is done, let me know again.

Origami Robot

@James YOU'LL BE IN THE STAR LIST?

DwarfSlice

Okay.

StrixVaria

6:24 PM

I'm really interested, but kickstarter can fuck off.

As can early access.

James

@OrigamiRobot Not like this... Not like this

Rapitor

@StrixVaria I like you

James

@Rapitor That's a first

DwarfSlice

> You are now an official backer of Basement. Time to tell the world about it!

@StrixVaria They used to just call that 'beta'.

James

@DwarfSlice OMG He is controlled by text on the internet!

StrixVaria

6:26 PM

James

@DwarfSlice Beta is feature complete, Early Access is feature not even started.

DwarfSlice

'early access' is just a buzzword

badp

@StrixVaria dun du du dunn dunn dunnnnnnnnn

DwarfSlice

It's what steam calls it.

StrixVaria

I am not interested in alpha or beta versions of games.

Origami Robot

6:27 PM

I LIKE THE IDEA OF KICKSTARTER AND EARLY ACCESS. AS FOR APPLICATION, YMMV

Unionhawk

Early access is really more alpha than beta

DwarfSlice

@Unionhawk It's a blanket term, it just means 'not finished'.

StrixVaria

Alpha games aren't feature-complete. Beta games aren't content-complete.

DwarfSlice

There's lots of beta games in Steam's 'early access'.

Koviko

I hate paying for alphas.

Unionhawk

6:27 PM

True

Origami Robot

THE FOREST EARLY ACCESS WAS BARELY A PROTOTYPE

7 DAYS TO DIE IS STILL IN EARLY ACCESS AND HAS A BILLION CONTENT

Koviko

1 billion content.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot This is a fair point.

DwarfSlice

Abyss Odyssey is 50% off

StrixVaria

I am still opposed to playing games that are in alpha.

Unionhawk

6:28 PM

Beta to me implies that things are mostly there, but maybe buggy and maybe we'll add more content too.

StrixVaria

But beta can be worthwhile depending on how far along they are.

Koviko

Maybe I'm just spoiled, but I'd rather pay for products than ideas and ambitions.

Rapitor

The whole "early" access thing was because of minecraft (of course). because the game could be bought at very early alpha... the only difference was that it was incredibly cheap. and actually updated

Batophobia

I'll just leave this here

Unionhawk

This isn't always how it works

Koviko

6:29 PM

@Rapitor Minecraft is a great example of how indie developers can meet and exceed gamer expectations.

Origami Robot

I REALLY WANT THE FOREST TO BE A THING SO I AM HAPPY TO GIVE THEM $10 AND HOPE SOMETHING COMES OF IT.

Koviko

Most indie developers seem to become... Lazy, I guess?

Jaded?

Annoyed at us?

Rapitor

@Koviko very much. I may dislike Minecraft on principle... but it did everything right.

StrixVaria

I don't know how I ever had fun playing Minecraft.

Koviko

@StrixVaria I agree with that sentiment.

DwarfSlice

6:30 PM

@OrigamiRobot By the way, have you seen Beasts of Prey?

Batophobia

@Koviko Usually they get funding and do a poor job at managing that income

Rapitor

@StrixVaria Feed the Beast helped

DwarfSlice

@StrixVaria I pretty much just played Spleef

StrixVaria

@Rapitor I never played any mods.

Koviko

@StrixVaria this

I feel like the developer should be making my content, not random people. But again, I may be spoiled.

DwarfSlice

6:31 PM

The only mods I used were worldedit + worldguard (on a server), and the minimap.

Origami Robot

THE REALLY BAD THING ABOUT EARLY ACCESS IS IT'S REALLY EASY TO BURN OUT ON THE GAMES BECAUSE THEY HAVE LITTLE CONTENT. THEN WHEN AN UPDATE COMES OUT, YOU GET ANOTHER HOUR OR SO BEFORE YOU'RE BORED AGAIN

Koviko

I did try out MCMMO though

DwarfSlice

@OrigamiRobot This is why I'm not playing Distance at all until it's done, despite kickstarting it.

Koviko

@OrigamiRobot This is exactly how Guild Wars 2's Living Story works.

Chippies

@Koviko Once they get the money, there's little to no motivation to continue working on the game

Unionhawk

6:32 PM

A lot of Minecrafts continued success comes from mojang actually giving a shit.

Batophobia

Pixelmon was probably my favorite mod

Origami Robot

THEN YOU END UP RESENTING THE GAME WHEN IF YOU'D JUST WAITED TO PLAY THE FULL GAME, YOU'D HAVE A BETTER EXPERIENCE OVERALL

Koviko

@Chippies Yup, this is probably true. At that point, they maybe think thye can just hire people to finish it for tehm or something

DwarfSlice

@Chippies Assuming the only motivation for making the game was monetary

A lot of people make stuff because they're passionate about it.

Not me, but people do.

Koviko

@DwarfSlice A lot of people start stuff because they are passionate about it

Finishing is a different story.

Passion may only drive you so far.

Unionhawk

6:33 PM

At least he's honest

Origami Robot

EARLY ACCESS AND KICKSTARTER (VIDEO GAME KICKSTARTERS AT LEAST) CAN VERY QUICKLY TEACH YOU THAT THE WHOLE IS FAR GREATER THAN THE SUM OF ITS PARTS

DwarfSlice

Humble Mobile Bundle 6 + free game Devil's Attorney

Chippies

@DwarfSlice when most of your audience has already paid for your game and you still have ways to go to finish it, you may end up with no money and still an unfinished game, which is the case quite often

DwarfSlice

It's like they're just making all the games from that iKoid bundle free

Powerlord

Wait, did @GnomeSlice have a species transplant?

Batophobia

6:36 PM

@Chippies Or, they made a basic game, got money, hired people to do parts better than they could (graphics, sound, etc.), then got screwed out of that money

DwarfSlice

My gravatar is a dwarf

Unionhawk

Early access is just depressing, really

StrixVaria

I preferred ElfSlice.

Origami Robot

@Chippies I AM OF THE OPINION THAT PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE THIS SITUATION INTO ACCOUNT BEFORE GIVING A PROJECT MONEY. I'M NOT EXCUSING THE DEVS BY SAYING THAT, JUST SAYING THAT PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE RISKS

Powerlord

@DwarfSlice My gravatar is a Red Spy. You don't see me naming myself Spylord or Powerspy.

DwarfSlice

6:37 PM

That's nice.

Origami Robot

@Unionhawk ONE COULD ARGUE THAT ANY FAILING OF THE EARLY ACCESS PROGRAM AS A WHOLE IS ACTUALLY HURTING THE CREDIBILITY OF SMALL DEVELOPERS

Unionhawk

Yes, that's what makes it depressing

Koviko

@OrigamiRobot Basically this. I think good small developers are actually the exception, now.

Prior to all the early access content on Steam, I thought big developers were just stifling the little guy.

Origami Robot

IT'S BEST TO THINK OF EARLY ACCESS AS A WEIRD FORM OF INVESTMENT

Koviko

Really, the little guy just didn't have "what it takes."

Origami Robot

6:41 PM

YOU'RE PAYING MONEY UP FRONT TO HOPEFULLY GET SOME AMOUNT OF ENTERTAINMENT DOWN THE ROAD

AND BY EXTENSION BRING SOME AMOUNT OF FUN TO OTHERS

Koviko

@OrigamiRobot It almost sounds like "you're being stupid" in long form.

Just because you could easily pay for some fun right now

For less money depending on what you find fun.

Origami Robot

NOT ALL FUN IS CREATED EQUAL

Koviko

@OrigamiRobot Except in these cases, not all fun even gets finished being created.

Origami Robot

@Koviko THAT'S A RISK YOU NEED TO EVALUATE BEFORE THROWING MONEY AT THINGS

murgatroid99

You're also investing in having that game exist in the future, which can matter if you want to be part of that game's community, for example

DwarfSlice

6:43 PM

@OrigamiRobot this

murgatroid99

@OrigamiRobot General advice for investment

Lazers

0

Q: In Train Simulator 2015, is there a way to use SI units?

In Train Simulator 2015 (TS2015), is there a way to use the International System of Units (SI) instead of the Imperial units? This option does not seem available from the menus and options. I'll tag this as ts-2013, because I don't have enough rep to create a new tag. If someone could edit an...

train-simulator-2013

Koviko

@OrigamiRobot I just refuse to throw money at unfinished products. I won't even buy CoD games.

Origami Robot

"YOU" AS IN THE GENERAL YOU, NOT YOU PERSONALLY

murgatroid99

@Koviko That seems like a non sequitur

Koviko

6:45 PM

@OrigamiRobot I am the general you.

Origami Robot

SALUTE

Tim Stone

Man, screw that jump BL1.5 x_x

Koviko

o7

Tim Stone

@Koviko Hah :P

Origami Robot

@TimStone IS IT A VEHICLE JUMP? SCREW ALL THOSE

Tim Stone

6:46 PM

Yes, and it was terrible

Unionhawk

Some games do early access right. Prison architect is an enjoyable game that'll see even more stuff. Other games don't, and just throw something down and promise to fix everything. Like that one werewolf game TB covered and got DMCAd for

Tim Stone

And I died six times

Unionhawk

But then again, Starbound amirite

5pike

@Unionhawk That went away real quick.

DwarfSlice

store.steampowered.com/app/326410

Rapitor

6:49 PM

@Koviko There just isn't enough to do in vanilla minecraft. I felt "done" after one play session

now I can make a nuclear reactor and automate everything

Jason Berkan

@Rapitor You can build a house.

Koviko

@Rapitor That I agree with. The game somehow always made me strive for efficiency over fun.

Jason Berkan

►

Koviko

So eventually, my whole existence in game was automated.

Origami Robot

i GOT FAR MORE THAN MY MONEY'S WORTH OUT OF VANILLA MINECRAFT

HELL, I GOT MORE THAN MY MONEY'S WORTH OUT OF IT BEFORE IT WAS EVEN IN BETA

Jason Berkan

6:52 PM

Watching my kids play Minecraft has been an awesome parenting moment. I only wish I didn't have to buy it three times so we could play together on a LAN.

DwarfSlice

drm-free ftw

badp

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Rapitor

@Koviko The fun in it for was building the contraptions and making them as fancy and efficient as possible. A steam boiler fueled by a treefarm that is maintained by an automated forester cart is probably my favorite thing to make

badp

At least I know I can stop hitting refresh

Rapitor

@JasonBerkan Xb1 and Ps4 versions are split screen, 4 player split I think

Jason Berkan

6:54 PM

@Rapitor Good to know for the future.

Frank

@Frank Don't be so hostile, please? I am not going to answer unless you tone it down. — NoneOfYourBusiness 1 min ago

Am I being hostile?

Rapitor

@Frank you're always hostile ;)

Frank

@Rapitor No, that's just grumpy. :P

Origami Robot

@Frank SAYING "SINCE WHEN?" CAN COME OFF AS HOSTILE.

Frank

It's a serious question, though. I'm not seeing anything in there that can be seen as hostile.

Origami Robot

6:56 PM

PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S HOSTILE ENOUGH TO WARRANT THAT RESPONSE, BUT THAT'S ME.

Frank

This is probably relevant:

badp

Relevant

Just to be clear I am very likely to use my supervote to reopen that question if you close that question as off-topic

Frank

@badp And I will be very disappointed in you doing so, as there is nothing there that is gaming specific.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot This. "Since when?" is rarely a question asked sincerely to learn when a rule was enacted. It's usually a defiant way of indirectly saying "You're wrong."

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