The Bridge

Yuuki

5:00 PM

So the smoke is apparently vaporized metal from both the projectile and the railgun barrel.

That's pretty... metal.

MadMAxJr

Alright, mount it on the walking robot.

SaintWacko

@Yuuki Damn, that's cool

@Yuuki I wonder how many times they can fire from a single barrel

I also wonder what it would take to magnetically levitate the round inside the barrel

DanmakuGrazer

5:16 PM

@SaintWacko That's a coilgun

MadMAxJr

I'm thinking the Navy has won the Nerf Gun war.

SaintWacko

@DanmakuGrazer Yeah, I'm wondering if they could add a coil or something to the railgun, not for propulsion, but to remove barrel friction

DanmakuGrazer

A railgun requires the bullet to be touching the barrel

badp

are css gradients done with floating point arithmetics?

SaintWacko

@DanmakuGrazer Oh

Duh

Forgot about that aspect of it

badp

5:26 PM

jsfiddle.net/b5w3ysaL

try making the textarea bigger

Private Pansy

Pheew, finally got the flag for the email spoofing assignment

SaintWacko

@badp Whoa. What are those lines doing?

badp

lol, firefox is refusing to have newlines in the textarea. It doesn't want any of this nonsense. It also doesn't care about background-attachment: local;

@SaintWacko I have no idea

Private Pansy

@badp Huh, that is weird

Is it like, I don't know, Windows newlines?

badp

@PrivatePansy try typing in the box

removing white-space: nowrap; makes the newlines happen

Private Pansy

5:30 PM

Might be because of the white-spae: nowrap

Yeah

badp

those were just supposed to cause horizontal scrolling... and I guess they did the job there? like with extra power.

SaintWacko

It's not autowrapping at the end of the line, is that it?

Private Pansy

Mildly annoyed that I took all the time to learn how SMTP works, when it turns out I can just point curl at the server and be done with it

badp

DO YOU WANT HORIZONTAL SCROLLING? GOTCHA HAVE SOME HORIZONTAL SCROLLING

on the other hand the gray lines aren't acting up

on the other other hand firefox doesn't know that middle clicking on a scrollbar on linux is supposed to set the knob to where I middle clicked

SaintWacko

@badp To be fair, neither did I

badp

5:35 PM

middle clicking is one of the best features of Linux

Avery

yes

SaintWacko

@badp Oh yeah? What else does it do?

badp

try selecting some text and middle clicking the new tab button on chrome

SaintWacko

Okay, that's cool

badp

try selecting some text and middle clicking a textbox

...I think that's it

but it's hard to go back to things that don't do this

SaintWacko

5:37 PM

@badp Not sure that's any faster than going +ctrl, t, v, -ctrl, enter

StrixVaria

It's a second copy/paste buffer. It doesn't interact with the ctrl+c/ctrl+v one, right?

badp

yup

SaintWacko

Oh

Okay, that does change things

That's nice

Avery

All DEs I used on linux were muuch happier about scrolling

like

badp

@SaintWacko if you're mousing around you can paste text with just your mouse

SaintWacko

5:38 PM

@badp Yeah

Avery

I LOVE LOVE LOVE the ability to scroll on volume icon to modify sound and middle click to mute/unmute

SaintWacko

I tend to lean the other way and prefer all-keyboard interfaces

Avery

it's the tiny things that make linux great

SaintWacko

Which is why I use vim while I play Dwarf Fortress

badp

@Avery holy shit I didn't know about middle click to mute

StrixVaria

5:38 PM

@SaintWacko You should play Cook Serve Delicious.

Avery

@badp it's amazing isn't it

badp

I mean if I want to mute this laptop I can just pull the earphones out but

Avery

Also something that makes linux great (but windows has it too): keyboard shortcuts

tons and tons and tons

Private Pansy

The brightness-indicator on Ubuntu also accepts scrolling. That makes me so happy.

badp

I'm so happy Windows stole "scroll on hover, not on focus" with 10

ToxicFrog

5:43 PM

@badp I am so glad that middle mouse buttons are a standard feature these days

Windows needs to expose a configuration knob for focus behaviour, really

StrixVaria

I prefer Windows to Linux because I prefer to spend as little time setting up my computer as possible, and things just work on Windows that take time to get working on Linux.

For the year or so I used Linux I only used one monitor because having two monitors of different resolutions was not a thing I could figure out how to get it to do.

Yuuki

@SaintWacko According to docs, they're aiming for 1000 rounds per barrel.

StrixVaria

With Windows you plug in the monitor and it's just figured out everything it needs to about it and just makes it work.

Avery

KDE handles multi monitors out of box

SaintWacko

@Yuuki Hm, alright. Not bad

Avery

5:44 PM

So does cinnamon

and unity

and gnome

SaintWacko

And Gnome

Avery

XFCE is a bit trickier but it works too

LXDE is pain.

StrixVaria

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It would have required research and installing a new OS to get that to work = work

Windows just worked.

SaintWacko

I've actually had better luck making things work in Linux than in Windows

Avery

ditto

Yuuki

5:46 PM

@SaintWacko I mean, I don't know if they're there yet.

But that's what they're looking to have.

SaintWacko

@Yuuki Right

Avery

I mean everyone is free to use whatever they want but eh

even with a distro like arch it's not that hard to get stuff working properly

SaintWacko

@Avery The only reason I still use Windows anywhere is because on my SP3 the auto-rotate works better and at home, Overwatch doesn't really work on Linux yet

My work computer is linux, though

Avery

that's where you're wrong kiddo

SaintWacko

And I'm probably going to switch back to linux on my surface

Oh, did they get it working?

Avery

5:47 PM

github.com/gamax92/wine-overwatch

ToxicFrog

@StrixVaria for at least ~15 years, configuring multiple monitors on linux has been more or less the same as on windows unless you're using an exotic distro/DE...

StrixVaria

@ToxicFrog I was using Ubuntu and it literally couldn't work and the research I did told me that I just couldn't do what I was trying to do.

SaintWacko

@Avery Hm! Last I checked it still wasn't working very well

Avery

it's plug and play on ubuntu?

StrixVaria

It really wasn't.

Avery

5:48 PM

@SaintWacko You need to compile it if you want to use it for your main wine<something> but if you don't you can use playonlinux and it'll handle everything for you

SaintWacko

@StrixVaria It has been every single time I've used it...

StrixVaria

I could get the second monitor to show a gray background with an X on it.

SaintWacko

What was it doing?

Avery

winedir?

wine something, ugh

SaintWacko

@Avery Yeah, I'll just use POL

@StrixVaria Weird

StrixVaria

5:49 PM

Anyway, the details pretty much don't matter anymore because I'm super happy with my current Windows setup.

I think another thing I prefer about Windows is that every time I want to do a thing I know how to do it. If I want to do anything new on linux I have to spend time learning how to do it.

This mostly comes down to how much experience I have with each.

ToxicFrog

Yeah, I'm not super familiar with Ubuntu but my work machine uses it and dual-monitor is just plug it in, display settings -> extend my desktop onto this monitor

StrixVaria

Just installing a piece of software I find on the internet is a challenge on linux.

Unionhawk

extremely internet voice You should use Linux

StrixVaria

@ToxicFrog If they have the same resolution it's that easy.

I had two different resolution monitors.

ToxicFrog

@StrixVaria you generally don't "install a piece of software you find on the internet", you use the package manager

StrixVaria

5:50 PM

@ToxicFrog ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ToxicFrog

Windows only has you manually installing stuff because windows package management is a total disaster

Like, the linux "add/remove programs" equivalent *actually lets you add things

Avery

FOUND IT

Wineprefix, yes, that was the word that I was looking for.

StrixVaria

@ToxicFrog I find Windows more convenient in this regard.

Why does the OS need to know about everything I could ever want to install in advance.

I will just get the thing I want and install it on demand.

Avery

well, it makes updates easier

ToxicFrog

@StrixVaria huh. I find it the exact opposite. I hate having to run around manually finding the download site for each piece of software I want

Avery

5:51 PM

and you can USUALLY trust the stuff on package manager

ToxicFrog

And each one uses a different installer (or is just a zip/rar file you have to unpack by hand)

And you have to repeat the process every time you want to update something

StrixVaria

If I'm on a webpage, it's much easier to click on a thing, wait for it to download, then click on a thing that I'm prompted to click on, than to like context-switch to some package installer.

Avery

stuff like chocolatey are things for windows though

ToxicFrog

@Avery chocolatey is alright, for something continuing the windows trend of re-inventing stuff *nix had decades ago

Avery

@StrixVaria most software is as easy as sudo apt install <package-name> if you're on a debian based distro

ToxicFrog

5:53 PM

@StrixVaria I think the difference here may be that I generally know a priori what I want to install, so I'm not browsing around looking for a thing

I'm going "I want thing" and installing it

Avery

and you can trust that it's latest version, it's virus free, it's not tampered with, it doesn't install toolbars or change homepages etc

StrixVaria

@ToxicFrog I don't even know what I want on linux.

ToxicFrog

Which on windows is going to involve googling for thing's webpage, then trying to find the right download link, etc.

StrixVaria

I have to spend time figuring out what the thing is that I want to install in the first place.

Avery

> it's latest version

SaintWacko

5:53 PM

@Avery And it's way easier to update

Avery

well, not if you're on debian

ToxicFrog

@StrixVaria yeah, in that case things fall out a bit differently

Avery

@SaintWacko yesssss

StrixVaria

And recently, I wanted to install atom, the code editor, and literally could not figure out how to do it even with apt-get.

I use a different text editor now.

Avery

I can install software from internet, yes

but just doing it through package managers is so much less pain

SaintWacko

5:54 PM

@StrixVaria Yeah, a few things like that they don't put in the package manager and make you add their ppa instead

Avery

@StrixVaria sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/atom, sudo apt update, sudo apt install atom

ToxicFrog

@Avery apt-get update / apt-get install, no?

Avery

@ToxicFrog you can use apt or apt-get, there are very little practical differences

StrixVaria

@Avery Yeah, that first one is super intuitive and I could definitely type that without context switching to a web page.

ToxicFrog

is not a fan of deb and its profusion of package management commands*

Avery

5:56 PM

246

Q: What is the difference between apt and apt-get?

I read about the new fancy progress bar which was added to apt 1.0 in Softpedia and how to enable it here. However on running sudo apt-get update, I did not see the fancy progress bars. On reading the second link again, the solution explicitly requires you to use sudo apt update. Hence my questi...

apt

I like how simple it is on pacman-based distros.

ToxicFrog

@StrixVaria So, serious question -- you find it easier to download and install something through the browser than to copy-paste a command from the same webpage?

Avery

Literally just sudo pacman -S atom

Lazers 2.0

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Q: How do I convert Japan to Christianity?

I have been trying to get the achievement where you as a unified Japan, has to change your state religion to Catholicism. I did manage to get the unification part by the mid 1600's and I have trade connections to both French Mexico and a Flemish colony in Baja California as well as a Portuguese c...

europa-universalis-4

0

Q: Do all guild members receive rewards from guild fest, or just those above castle level 15?

Guild fest requires that you be castle level 15 to enter, and the interface for it is disabled before you are castle level 15. We are a young guild with only a few members at castle level 15 and I'm wondering if it's worth pushing for the few of us that could contribute to reach tier 1. If we d...

lords-mobile

Avery

@Lazers2.0 nice

ToxicFrog

@Avery zypper supremacy

Avery

5:57 PM

the whole ppa thing is confusing

ToxicFrog

I really don't like the way pacman uses short-options for all the commands

Avery

yes it's annoying for beginners

ToxicFrog

Also, doesn't arch have a PPA-alike in the AUR?

StrixVaria

@ToxicFrog Yes.

Avery

I remember not knowing how to delete

StrixVaria

5:57 PM

Because then I never have to leave the browser.

ToxicFrog

Pretty much every distro has something like that, Ubuntu's PPAs, SUSE's OBS, etc

Avery

@ToxicFrog well, AUR is one single thing, PPAs are much more split and you often need to google around to find an updated ppa

ToxicFrog

@StrixVaria but you do -- once it's downloaded you have to walk through an installer or open your archive unpacker or whatever

StrixVaria

@ToxicFrog I will be automatically prompted to do that.

ToxicFrog

The browser doesn't automatically handle the whole install process for you, and every install process is different

StrixVaria

5:58 PM

Or I will have to click one extra thing (the download in the download bar) to kick it off.

ToxicFrog

(contrast downloading a .rpm or .deb with the browser, which will still hand off to an external program but is at least consistent)

Avery

I mean you're free to use what you want, but it sounds like you expected to follow your windows knowledge on linux and had difficulties due to that.

ToxicFrog

@Avery aah

I think OBS is kind of midway between that

Unionhawk

freedom is an illusion

Avery

AUR is kinda like uh

ToxicFrog

6:00 PM

In that there's lots of OBS repos, but one central place to find them

StrixVaria

@Avery Yeah, probably. Familiarity is a huge issue.

Avery

It's more like brew I believe

ToxicFrog

I'm not familiar with brew

StrixVaria

Like I said, if I want to do image editing on linux I don't even know where to begin. Gimp seems too complicated, and I don't know of any other options.

Avery

I believe it mostly runs scripts to install stuff

ToxicFrog

6:01 PM

@StrixVaria yeah, I think I have exactly the same experience in reverse when using windows

Avery

may compile stuff etc to get it running

StrixVaria

I'm that way for literally every problem I come across in linux.

I want to do a new thing, and I don't even know where to start.

Avery

PPAs are strictly binaries

Ronan

@ToxicFrog It's like 10 different package managers rolled into one

Avery

AUR has a ton of compiled stuff that run through a script

ToxicFrog

6:01 PM

Where's my package manager, how do I calculate disk usage, how do I instantiate services, etc

Avery

@Unionhawk only real freedom can be achieved when you ditch systemd

ToxicFrog

(the answer to ~all of these on windows seems to be "download and install an external program because it's not built in")

systemd is awesome

fite me

Avery

it is

well I really really don't hate systemd so

Unionhawk

@Avery any freedom of choice in operating system that you have is largely illusory and meaningless

ToxicFrog

@StrixVaria for my part I came to Linux from SysV and SCO UNIX, which are reasonably similar, so it's been a gradual process of change

Whereas DOS/Windows are these awkward clunky things that can't do anything out of the box and which I tolerate only for gaming

They want me to manually install drivers ffs >.<

Avery

6:03 PM

ugh yes that's a huge thing about linux

StrixVaria

If I wanted to actually do any reasonable amount of programming at home, I would install linux for that.

Avery

I never ever had to install ANY drivers ever

StrixVaria

That's one thing I know how to do much better on linux than on Windows.

Avery

outside graphics

StrixVaria

So I guess it is probably entirely about familiarity for me.

ToxicFrog

6:04 PM

@Avery I went through a brief but unpleasant period of having to manually install drivers for wifi

Avery

and that's only because I don't want to use nouveau

StrixVaria

In college and at work we had to use linux for programming, so now I prefer that for those tasks.

ToxicFrog

@StrixVaria university for me was a weird mix of goddamn everything depending on the course

CS was mostly Ubuntu but also some OSX and two specific courses used BSD and windows respectively

Engineering was mostly windows but also some Solaris

Avery

ouch

StrixVaria

I did have to set up an apache server on Windows for a PHP class.

Setting up the server was harder than any of the programming assignments.

ToxicFrog

6:06 PM

o.O

That seems weird

Like, if you're doing to use PHP, LAMP is a thing

RedRiderX

ToxicFrog

And conversely if you want to use windows go all in and host it on IIS using ASP.NET or soemthing

Avery

Just... install xampp

RedRiderX

@ave this is real but the site isn't public like Microsoft's

Avery

@RedRiderX I want to say /flag but I'm scared that TimStone's script will flag it so consider jokingly flagged but not really

StrixVaria

6:07 PM

The thing I learned from that class is that I never want to do PHP programming again.

ToxicFrog

Apache+PHP on windows sounds like a "just because you can doesn't mean you should" thing, although tbf I think of all deployments of PHP that way

Regardless of OS or frontend

@StrixVaria good call

Avery

Honestly Linux is very usable, much more usable compared to my experiences between 2009 and 2011, but FreeBSD is not, at least for daily use.

RedRiderX

@Avery Wouldn't be the first time I've been accidentally banned by a script.

3

StrixVaria

I still can't believe that PHP launches a new process to handle every incoming HTTP request.

Avery

maybe it'll be usable in 2025

RedRiderX

6:08 PM

CC: @fredley

Avery

@StrixVaria idk if that's what PHP7 does

ToxicFrog

@Avery BSD was specifically for a systems programming/kernel/driver dev course

Presumably the BSD kernel has a simpler driver API or something

Avery

0

A: Is it correct for PHP-FPM to start a new process for every request?

This, you would probably need to understand php fpm configuration a little bit in your www.conf file (or whatever conf file depending on your OS). So depending on your configuration, FPM will usually fork more children depending on your demands hence different pid number. Choose how the proce...

hm, you can disable it it seems

well

limit it

RedRiderX

@StrixVaria Well there is HHVM but not many people use it

ToxicFrog

Windows was for a microcontrollers course, possibly because PuTTY is actually really, really good and linux seems to have a dearth of good serial terminal connectors

Avery

6:10 PM

set it to one child and it'll be less terrible but still very terrible

RedRiderX

other than facebook of course.

ToxicFrog

Or possibly because the compiler we were using was windows-only, that actually seems more likely.

Avery

I want to mostly try freebsd because of the native ZFS support

I mean, linuxzfs or whatever it's called works with arch but it's not perfect

ToxicFrog

@StrixVaria TBF this is how all CGI used to work

Avery

ah, it's ZFSonLinux

ToxicFrog

6:11 PM

FCGI and mod_foo are comparatively recent

@Avery I run ZoL on NixOS and it's pretty great

ZoL on SUSE is...less great

Haven't tried it on other distros

Avery

I want to reinstall arch and experiment more but it's really really a pain

murgatroid99

@Avery I'm pretty sure PHP-FPM is an addon for PHP. It's not PHP's behavior by default

Avery

@murgatroid99 eh, a ton of stuff relies on PHP-FPM, so

Maybe I might backup the whole drive and try reinstalling tomorrow.

but eh

> This situation sometimes locks down the normal rolling update process by unsatisfied dependencies because the new kernel version, proposed by update, is unsupported by ZFSonLinux.

I'm really impartial.

Yuuki

@RedRiderX Her Highness's Virtual Machine?

Avery

I'll probably use LVM when I set up and put ext4 on that and use file swap instead of partition swap and also set up FDE but not sure about FDE tbh

wonder if I can configure FDE to use one of the things of yubikey

RedRiderX

6:16 PM

@Yuuki Around here we use The Queen's Script

@Yuuki The real name is even better though:

HHVM

HipHop Virtual Machine (HHVM) is an open-source virtual machine based on just-in-time (JIT) compilation that serves as an execution engine for the PHP and Hack programming language. By using the principle of JIT compilation, executed PHP or Hack code is first transformed into intermediate HipHop bytecode (HHBC), which is then dynamically translated into x86-64 machine code, optimized, and natively executed. This contrasts with PHP's usual interpreted execution, in which the Zend Engine transforms PHP source code into opcodes that serve as a form of bytecode, and executes the opcodes directly on...

Avery

hm, there's a document on it, but it's from 2012 so eh

Yuuki

@RedRiderX Could've just called it HipOnPHP.

Avery

6:47 PM

oh god

I'm going over archive.org captures of my first site and like

it's so bad

fredley

@Yuuki HHVM: HHVM HipHop Virtual Machine

Yuuki

Yeah, but you miss the Dr. Seuss joke that way.

Avery

11yo me, why

Yuuki

Oh hey, it's raining today.

cazc_941

12

Q: What's a good way to start making money in OpenTTD?

Just got back to playing the game and I'm sticking with transporting coal from a mine to a power plant with the cheapest locomotive, placing one train per route. What would be better ways to make money?