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3:00 PM
There are more people use Arqade than just the people in this room
 
@kalina And they have votes they can use on meta too.
 
Well, time to leave. Later guys/girls....
 
If you abstain from voting, that's your own choice.
 
@5pike o/
 
@Sterno Mmm.
 
3:01 PM
@kalina There was no resistance from the general public to ITG either.
 
@kalina I'm interested in that question - as soon as the game comes out on the PC (ignoring the whole game until it does)
 
I don't understand why the people on the Bridge spend more time trying to find questions to delete than they do contributing their own content
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It isn't healthy.
 
I don't go looking for content to contribute. When I come across it, I contribute it.
Keeping our scope in check is far more useful to me.
 
The scope includes lore questions
says so in the help section on the site
 
@PrivatePansy As opposed to devils not from hell?
 
3:03 PM
thus, the scope is in check.
 
Scopes change.
Just because something is in the FAQ doesn't mean it isn't problematic.
 
You're talking about banning an entire category of questions that amounts to more content than you personally have contributed to the site
 
I'm talking about banning impractical questions.
 
and it's not the first time such a decision has been made
The questions aren't impractical
 
3:05 PM
They are.
 
Just because you don't like them doesn't mean you can label them as impractical
ITG was impractical, because we got posts that had no information in them
 
What practical use do they have?
 
most of them were unanswerable
 
@OrigamiRobot They answer the question?
 
They're gaming related, about gaming, specific to information in a game, and they answer a question relating to the game
they are gaming related questions
 
3:05 PM
That's not what practical means.
 
@kalina is better at this than me
 
the meaning at practical differs depending on context
 
Practical = Feasible
Lore questions can be feasibly answered with sources drawing upon factual evidence
 
55 secs ago, by OrigamiRobot
That's not what practical means.
 
3:06 PM
Some lore questions can, others can't
 
@OrigamiRobot Go look up the meaning of practical and stop arguing with me until you do
Practical:
 
You guys can argue about it here:
 
> of or concerned with the actual doing or use of something rather than with theory and ideas.
 
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Q: Should lore questions be banned?

SternoThere are a large number of users who feel that lore questions should be banned. From what I've been able to find, they were just sort of allowed on Arqade in the first place, as I can't find any meta discussion specifically discussing whether or not they should be allowed (but, rather if they ar...

 
Adjective
Of or concerned with the actual doing or use of something.
(of an idea, plan, or method) Likely to succeed or be effective in real circumstances; feasible.
 
3:07 PM
Or you can vote to close that as a dupe. Whatever makes you happiest.
 
we get hundreds of questions per week but over the last year our total number of questions has grown a lot slower, why?
 
You can use whatever definition you want, that's the one I use.
 
because YOU GUYS KEEP OUTLAWING VAST QUANTITIES OF THEM
 
And that's the one I think would make the site better.
 
I'd really hope you argue why lore questions should be banned (or not) because they suck (or don't), rather than playing word games with the FAQ though.
 
3:08 PM
Sure, and then next time, it will "make the site better"
and the time after, it will "make the site better"
and then one day you'll realise the site is crap because everything is off topic, we've lost all our users and we have 8 questions that haven't been closed
 
List of question types I have a problem with:
Impractical questions
Technical issues
 
What about something like "Lore questions are off-topic unless they're about something alluded to in-game."
 
I question this "large number of users" you're quoting, I think this needs to read "1% of our total active users, the ones who reside in the bridge" — kalina 11 secs ago
 
@Sconibulus That's pretty close to the problem we already have that I started a meta about
 
I thought the problem we has was "answered in game"
 
3:11 PM
Yeah, you're right. It's a bit different. Nevermind.
 
This site has 50000 users, sure maybe only half of them are active, but calling the 15-20 people in here who want lore questions banning "a large number of users" is misleading
 
alluded to can be like, "In borderlands 2, there's this guy named Mordkai with an eagle that we're supposed to know about. Who is that dude?"
 
Although queue arguments about what "alluded to" means, and how to define it in each particular case.
 
but things like "How many people live in Gotham" isn't mentioned, so we can ask them to show their work, if they can't, close it
 
I'd rather we just allow all or none, and if allowed, downvote stupid ones into oblivion
 
3:13 PM
That's what downvoting is for
and I agree that the "How many people live in Los Santos" GTA5 question should be launched into the sun
but I disagree that asking about characters that appeared in previous games should be
(the former being an example of a question that cannot be reliably answered)
 
I'm against retroactively deciding that questions we've allowed for 3 years are now off topic and will be deleted. It seems like busy work.
 
@JasonBerkan I would take the approach of deleting all new ones and only deleting old ones as they come up, rather than searching backwards for them.
They're not all collected under a convenient tag like ITG was, and doing that busy work would be stupid.
 
"It's been this way for a long time" is by far the worst reason for/against anything.
 
We shouldn't allow what has always been prevent us from making the best decision going forward (whether that's to ban or not to ban; still to be decided).
 
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Q: Should lore questions be banned?

SternoThere are some very vocal users who feel that lore questions should be banned. From what I've been able to find, they were just sort of allowed on Arqade in the first place, as I can't find any meta discussion specifically discussing whether or not they should be allowed (but, rather if they are ...

 
3:19 PM
@StrixVaria It seems already decided to me, but I'm just bitter. Probably time to leave the site again.
 
@JasonBerkan It's not decided at all.
I know what I would like to happen, but that doesn't mean that it will happen.
 
@JasonBerkan There is a very vocal group of people who all want them gone, the amount of noise makes it look like they've made up their mind but the fact is, these vocal people make up less than 1% of our users and need to learn that it isn't their sole responsibility to decide what is valid on this site
 
@kalina You need to get off your high horse like you're standing up for the 99%.
 
@StrixVaria I am standing up for the 99%
 
People who care about the site should inform themselves about the site.
If you don't care enough to know the issues or vote, then we shouldn't care about your opinion.
 
3:21 PM
@StrixVaria People who care about the site shouldn't systematically move from one group of questions to the next group of questions leaving a trail of banned questions in their wake
 
I would consider all of the users who are unaware of/take no interest in meta, but ask and answer lots of lore questions as against this proposal by default. — Michael Dunfield 1 min ago
And with that, I exit the discussion.
 
Argue your own point of view and let others stand up for themselves if they want to.
Don't pretend that you know how 99% of the people feel.
 
I don't want the uninformed users voting even if they agree with my stance. Because they're uninformed.
 
@kalina "You banned too many questions! Let this one through because we won't have enough questions without it." is a stupid argument. Let this class of questiosn stand on its own or die.
 
@StrixVaria that's not the argument and you know it, stop twisting my words
 
3:22 PM
We will have no dearth of good strategy/gameplay questions, whether lore is allowed to live or die.
@kalina That is exactly how I perceive your argument.
That's all you've been saying.
 
@StrixVaria That is a problem with your own comprehension.
Don't make it my problem
 
@StrixVaria Me too.
 
@OrigamiRobot Same here.
 
So we are in 99% agreement that @kalina's argument is stupid.
I'm purporting to know what 99% of people think, like she does.
It's a clever tactic.
 
3:24 PM
If that's not her argument, I don't know what it is.
 
@BenBrocka This is morbid.
 
Let the down voting commence! Also, typing answers is hard on mobile. =(
 
@MichaelDunfield It's a bunny eating things
 
@BenBrocka GnomeSlice must think you shouldn't feed the bunny?
I don't understand why.
I guess GnomeSlice just hates bunnies.
@Fluttershy Done and done!
 
Oh I thought it was a bunny eating a chocolate bunny
Derp
 
3:26 PM
Did you swap eyes with @OrigamiRobot
 
@MichaelDunfield I....I....what? How?
 
@Wipqozn Small thumbnail, monitor is kind of dim, looked like an empty bag with bits of brown in it from a distance
the brown is the carpet behind it though
 
@BenBrocka I have glasses now.
 
Also it looked like a bunnybag
@OrigamiRobot I never wear my glasses any more.
 
@OrigamiRobot But can you see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?
 
3:28 PM
@OrigamiRobot Just like in real life!
 
I'm getting new glasses soon
can't get lasik for another 3 years, weee
 
I just spent twenty minutes scratching my head wondering where the pagination to my site went when I realized it was hidden under a sticky footer
I'm an idiot
 
@Sterno That's why I don't vote.
 
You should wash your footer more
@OrigamiRobot Don't blame me, I voted for Kudos!
 
15% off Megabyte Punch: Special Edition, Desura key included and Steam key once it goes live.
 
3:30 PM
@BenBrocka @OrigamiRobot will blame who he wants to.
 
I want to blame @Fluttershy
Because he didn't want me to be room owner :(
 
It's okay, we all blame @Fluttershy
 
I know @Wipqozn wants to, but he wants to be mean more.
 
I need a good example of a question about game mechanics.
 
And I can respect that.
 
3:34 PM
@OrigamiRobot @Fluttershy threatened to harm my cats if I made your room owner.
 
@GraceNote This isn't the best example, but something like this?
Not exactly sure what you're asking
 
@MichaelDunfield Anything on the grounds of "How does X mechanic work", like say if someone asked how a certain stat works in a game.
 
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Q: How is damage to monsters calculated?

OrigamiRobotWith things like hitzones and elemental weaknesses and affinity, it's hard to really know how much damage you're actually doing. How is the damage a monster takes calculated?

 
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Q: Are There Any Benefits/Drawbacks to the Different Movement Types Besides Speed?

Michael DunfieldOnce you research the necessary Science and train your soldiers with the correct military skills, they gain the ability to perform a variety of different stances, both while moving and while stationary. The new abilities are as follows: Stationary Abilities Lie Prone Crouch Stand (Default) ...

 
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Q: What difference will the more skillful (1 star or 2 star) crew members make compared to a non-skilled one in FTL?

Adam AroldI checked out all tooltips in the game and their official website. Since FTL did not come with a manual I have no clue here. I know that they have something to do with recharge rates and percentages but I can't find anything specific about it.

 
3:37 PM
Those are perfect, thanks.
 
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Q: How do I Turn Yoshimitsu Around?

Michael DunfieldI've scrolled through the entirely of Yoshimitsu's moves list, but I guess I've missed something because I absolutely cannot figure out how to turn him around so that he's facing away from his opponent. The only consistent method I've found of doing this is to do the deathcopter move and fly ove...

 
@OrigamiRobot Well, it's fun, because no matter how informed you are, someone else will come along and make you feel stupid and unworthy of voting.
 
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Q: Are the Different Characters Unique from a Gameplay Perspective?

Michael DunfieldEvery so often as I collect more and more Electoons, I get a notification that I've unlocked a new character at the Snoring Tree. Once I visited there, I found that there are in fact, a variety of characters to choose from, including Rayman, Globox, and some Teensies. It looks like I can also u...

oh wait a minute
where's that dustforce question
@GraceNote This is a popular one
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Q: What are the differences between the characters?

TacroyWhen you begin a level, you have the option to select one of four characters. What are the differences between these four characters? They don't appear to be purely cosmetic, as the third one (short girl with dusters) has a triple jump, which none of the others have.

 
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A: How do armor, resistances and missile/melee damage reduction interact?

SternoIn general, ItsColby nailed the basics of how it works. Damage reduction is multiplied rather than added. So 70% Armor and 30% Physical Resist doesn't mean you're a god who blocks all damage... you're actually blocking 79% of the damage. But read on for a closer look. Armor is good against all...

 
Three is good.
 
3:38 PM
@OrigamiRobot That question involves so many handsome users.
 
Sorry, was catching up on chat from the top down.
 
Also Sternold loses because he grandstanded an answer link of his own.
 
@GraceNote With 46k views. :)
 
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Q: How does the 'Cash For Relics' shop work?

Michael DunfieldSome of the maps have tiles with a big sign on them that reads 'cash for relics' and a passive many-eyed beast floating around that must be a shopkeeper or something. I've stood in the tiles but haven't gotten anything from him. How do you get relics for cash? Do you have to be carrying a full...

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Q: What does changing your character's 'heart' do?

Michael DunfieldWhen creating your character in Crayon Chronicles, there's an option for choosing your 'heart'. There's a bunch of different options to choose from. The choices are as follows: Champion Dragon Glaiator Falcon Fox Hedgehog Lion Eagle Ogre Unicorn I can't work out what the 'Heart' does though...

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Q: Can I Pass Out from Excessive Drinking?

Michael DunfieldI've noticed that if I grab two or more alcoholic beverages in rapid succession, my sight gets wonky and blurry. The length of time this effect lasts for seems to increase if I grab a larger number of bottles. Is it possible to pass out, if enough alcoholic beverages are consumed in rapid succe...

 
Three was already good, @MichaelDunfield
 
3:40 PM
Yeah, I figured.
 
I should probably get my hands on the the shield upgrade before doing the shield and sword dungeon.
Also I should upgrade my bombs.
 
Just make sure you're ready for the broom dungeon
 
@GraceNote Can you edit my comment here?
@Sterno People are downvoting to show that they disagree with the proposal of banning lore questions. Which is silly becauese you didn't present either side explicitly in your post. — Michael Dunfield 20 mins ago
I made a typo in 'because'
 
@MichaelDunfield Fixed.
 
3:47 PM
@GraceNote Thankee
@GraceNote Er, no it isn't.
 
Yes it is.
 
@Sterno People are downvoting to show that they disagree with the proposal of banning lore questions. Which is silly becauese you didn't present either side explicitly in your post. — Michael Dunfield 22 mins ago
Are you sure?
 
Well, for starters, your onebox is still cache'd.
 
It's not for me.
I refreshed the page too
Hard refreshed even
 
The onebox, not your browser. It's a chat thing, not a you thing.
 
3:48 PM
It says beacuase for me on the page itself
 
@GraceNote I refreshed the meta page*
@3ventic Hahaha beacuase
 
@MichaelDunfield That doesn't change the onebox being cache'd and so the onebox says "becauese" which is not how I left it.
 
dot dot dot
 
@MichaelDunfield I consider that a valid downvote reason. They think it's not even worthy of discussing banning them. I worry a little the negative votes can push it so that it's hidden, leading to not as many eyes seeing it to vote, but if it's really that popularly opposed that even the question is downvoted, it's probably a pretty minor concern.
 
@MichaelDunfield Yes, that's copy-pasted from the meta page
 
3:50 PM
Oh @GraceNote Changed it to beacuase?
It was "becauese" at first.
 
@MichaelDunfield Yes, which you asked me to fix. Which I fixed.
 
@Sterno I upvoted it just so the discussion would be seen. I'm a hero.
 
@GraceNote beacuase is still incorrect.
 
Also it looks like they won't be banned. Excellent. That means I win.
 
@MichaelDunfield It's the only reson I deigned to edit it.
 
Note to self: Don't ask @GraceNote to edit my comments. EVER.
 
@GraceNote Okay you lost me.
Can you make it actually correct though?
 
It's as correct as I'm going to leave it. ♪
 
Although now I want to watch Dot Dot Dot again
 
I knew from the start I was fighting a losing battle. I accepted this a long time ago and was content to just sit and grumble to myself. But people kept bringing it up, so I threw my two cents in.
 
3:52 PM
@MichaelDunfield Scream mod abuse for me will you.
 
@RonanForman Eh.
 
@GraceNote is so sassy.
 
I suppose @GraceNote isn't technically a mod...
 
@OrigamiRobot It's good to have it out. Because the highest voted answer on my other meta was to ban all lore questions, which, if not the actual community consensus, means basically I can't resolve that other meta
 
COMMUNITY MANAGER ABUSE!!!!
 
3:53 PM
(though the way the votes are on that other one, I'm not sure it will ever be resolved)
 
@RedRiderX So basically, no more Silverlight or Unity based web apps.
 
@Sterno It would be much less of a problem if people could learn to use their brains and say "No, this question is dumb." rather than "This is OK because the vague FAQ says so."
Everyone here is so binary.
 
@OrigamiRobot The issue is that not every has the same definition of 'dumb'
 
010101011101
 
@OrigamiRobot There is a high level of pedantry here, particularly when it comes to close votes.
 
3:57 PM
@3ventic Too bad about the height limit. :(
 
@RonanForman People make an effort to completely ignore any definition of dumb for the sake of the FAQ.
 
@OrigamiRobot It cuts both ways though. People make stupid decisions to VTC based on the FAQ rather than common sense.
 
I agree.
I've plainly said I could see an on-topic lore question by my definitions.
But that type of analysis of questions is nearly non-existent here.
LUNCH TIME
 
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Q: If I exit the game during a battle, can I resume it later?

BrysonicWhat happens when you close your browser before finishing a battle? Does the game save your progress?

 
@3ventic Also, it seems to be actually "just" 1:50. Much less impressive.
 
4:06 PM
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Q: What happens when you run out of attempts for a battle?

BrysonicWhat happens when a player fails a mission enough times that they run out of attempts?

 
Erm, 1:7 actually. Or thereabouts. Their web site says "Each blocks represents a ground area of 50 square metres", which is 7.071m squared.
 
For the record, all drama between @kalina and @OrigamiRobot aside, I meant it when I said I enjoyed lore and ITG questions. I just feel like there are better places for them than here.
Lore question? Go to the wiki(a). ITG question? Go to reddit! Have an actual problem with something in your game? Something you can't find? Boss you can't kill? Incomplete? Ask it here.
 
Or go to GameFAQS, because they often do it better there.
I mean, to be fair, this site doesn't need to exist at all.
 
@Sterno It's sad, but this is what I do.
 
It's main benefit is that it's got great SEO
 
4:13 PM
GameFAQs does lengthy guides better. We do smaller problems.
 
@JasonBerkan Weren't you one of the folks chastising me for noting this was why I didn't ask much here?
 
but if google were as good as picking out the relevant part of a GameFAQ as it were at picking out an answer from arqade, this site would be fairly pointless
 
To be honest, I had never heard of GameFAQs until I joined the bridge.
 
@GraceNote Don't think so. I always go Google -> GameFAQs -> Here when I have a problem.
 
@JasonBerkan Huh, I mistook you for someone else then. That's how it usually goes for me, too, though usually Google brings me to GameFAQs to begin with.
 
4:14 PM
I've never ended up on GameFAQs
 
@GraceNote Google usually takes me to a useless wiki full of ads, so I rage quit my browser and go to GameFAQs.
 
I almost always find good info on GameFAQS, but usually have to hunt it manually rather than relying on Google.
For popular games, anyway
 
Gamefaqs guides are often good but you have to spend maybe 5 minutes digging to get what you want. Unless I need a full-ish guide I avoid them
 
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Q: Why do PC video games need Administrator privileges to run?

William CWhy do games, especially high-profile games like Battlefield 3, installed in default locations, still need an administrator account access to be launched? Windows already provides ProgramData, %LOCALAPPDATA% and %APPDATA% folders for read/write access, and Windows Vista came out 6 years ago, so ...

 
@Lazers I think this might be off topic, but I can also see why a gamer would ask it
 
4:18 PM
quick, ban all questions
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@kalina lol
 
@kalina From now on we shall only have politically incorrect questions on this site
 
"We control our own FAQ, not the other way around" means that we have, for years, controlled that piece of the FAQ to read as it does
So if you're going to make the point that it should've never been on topic to begin with...
> From what I've been able to find, they were just sort of allowed on Arqade in the first place, as I can't find any meta discussion specifically discussing whether or not they should be allowed.
> However, there are some users who feel these questions are problematic and should be made off-topic, and that discussion keeps creeping into all other questions about lore.
Then yes, it's a point that matters.
I appreciate the part that we should be arguing lore questions by their nature, rather than by their legacy, but the argument by legacy is what the question brings forward.
 
Evening fellas
 
I missed drama, didn't I?
 
4:27 PM
It's not drama. Just regular discussion
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Q: Should lore questions be banned?

SternoThere are some very vocal users who feel that lore questions should be banned. From what I've been able to find, they were just sort of allowed on Arqade in the first place, as I can't find any meta discussion specifically discussing whether or not they should be allowed. I did find a question a...

 
Looking for a place to buy Pokemon X and Y (place that ships to Israel), in Israel it costs about 100$, best I found was around $60-$55, anyone knows of a place that may offer a better deal?
(For my brother, don't ask)
 
yes, yes, it's always the brother :P
I'm afraid we're short of israeletes around here though.
 
@GraceNote I don't get it.
 
@MichaelDunfield Ask @Mana. He'll get it.
 
4:29 PM
@badp Oh, that thing ... Yeh ... I'm just gonna vote and not talk about it, I guess.
 
@badp @Oak?
 
@FEichinger I'm just going to watch how you vote and then talk to you about it anyway
 
@badp Meh, a place that sells cheaply, I'll worry about shipping later. And yes, it is for my brother :P
 
@PrivatePansy Oh, right! Maybe he'll catch the ping, too.
 
@badp MOD ABUUUUUSEEEE!
 
4:30 PM
I never claimed I wouldn't play, but it's for my brother
 
Also, I think it's Israeli
 
@PrivatePansy I used Google Translate
 
@PrivatePansy What is?
 
@FEichinger Good news, judging by how the numbers changed I'd say that I don't have to talk to you about it after all!!!
 
@badp Tsk, tsk, tsk. I was about to undo that vote, because I also agree with Sterno's comment on your answer.
 
4:32 PM
@FEichinger I've already dealt with that in the body of my answer
If you don't know what you're talking about, how do you vote on it in the first place?
 
@MadaraUchiha The demonym for a resident of Israel
> A twist in your tale! You are now Inconvenienced by your Aunt.
What a twist!
 
@badp It's not so much "knowing what you're talking about" as it is that voting based on whether or not I know/think there is/isn't an answer is a bad idea. (That said, I don't think that questions that don't get an answer/are likely unanswerable for a while are necessarily bad. We don't need a perfect answered rate by any stretch.)
 
@FEichinger Well, you can usually tell by waiting for the first few answers to roll
There's no shortage of people willing to speculate wildly about the taste of the companion cube
 
So... anyone knows? XD
 
@badp Definitely. If a question invites speculation, we can already close it, though.
 
4:36 PM
@FEichinger well, questions without a canonical answer implicitly do that anyway
 
@badp Sure, but we simply cannot confirm that there is no canonical answer. We can merely say it isn't a very public one.
If a question avoids being filled with subjective and speculative answers but remains unanswered still, then for all I care, leave it open.
 
@badp Hahahahaha this question is so bad...
 
@MichaelDunfield but the answer makes perfect canon sense and is sourced in the canon :P
I don't want to make an example of that
 
@badp What answer?
I don't see any actual answers.
Yours?
 
4:39 PM
I want to say, we should be focusing our efforts more on what's actually stupid or not in terms of lore
 
@FEichinger I asked @GraceNote to fix that and she made it worse.
 
@FEichinger uh?
 
What's ITG?
 
@FEichinger It should be beacuase.
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4:40 PM
@badp The comment originally read "Becauese" instead of "Because". And since I still had it open, I figured I'd poke him about it. :P
@GraceNote Make it so.
 
@ToxicFrog 'identify this game'
 
@badp If you see a way to edit it to fix that, go for it.
 
Aah.
 
4:41 PM
I was just trying to give background on what I've seen on meta about lore so far.
 
@GraceNote Beautiful. Beteauful.
 
@FEichinger becauese some of the voices were pretty good
 
@Sterno I think people like @OrigamiRobot would be better equipped to do so.
After all, it's kind of his fight.
 
@FEichinger liek if u cry every tim
 
Yoo
I always used "Yoo" as a replacement to Hi or hello... after watch "Breaking Bad" I'm reconsidering stop using it ... o.O
 
4:48 PM
..."reasonability" isn't a word so what is the word I'm looking for?
 
@GraceNote Google says it is
 
I hate when I want to delete a question of mine, and I can't because there are answers to it =/
 
@GraceNote reasonablenessosity
 
@GraceNote That depends on what you're trying to say.
 
@badp What'd you mean by "I'd hardly call that sneaky" in your answer?
 
You know what I find very funny about that lore meta? We have this argument that the "active Bridge folk" hate lore questions, but that the "broader community" doesn't. Right now, we can safely assume the meta wasn't exposed to the meta-inactive people. And yet, there's a 28 30 score difference between "No, keep them." and "Yes, ban them."
 
@badp That didn't really clear it up for me. I know I mentioned "sneaky" in the other meta, but that was in reference in trying to turn a narrowly-scoped meta into a referendum about whether or not all lore questions should be banned. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't about that comment.
 
@Sterno It seemed to me that your point was "we never actually said that questions about lore were ever on topic, maybe they just slipped through the cracks while we were too busy arguing about game-rec?"
 
@badp It wasn't my point, but I guess I can see that. Really I was just trying to point out that this wasn't a good fit as an exact dupe of "Can I ask lore questions here?" The answer to that is obviously yes. This question was about whether or not that should be the policy.
 
Also, folks, don't forget, we're actually not supposed to downvote meta Qs that aren't tagged anymore!
 
4:55 PM
@FEichinger Then they should code that up!
 
@FEichinger I'm going to downvote all the meta posts now because of this.
 
@FEichinger Is there a meta about that?
 
@Sterno Lemme see if I can dig it up ... And find out whether anything changed about it in the meantime, too.
 
I've never heard anything about this.
I'm going to continue downvoting and upvoting as I please.
 
To paraphrase @Gnomeslice, "Don't tell me how to vote!"
 
4:56 PM
Also, an absolute ban on non-feature-request metas is dumb.
 
This is the more "tame" version of the argument.
 
that's MetaSO, not Arqade Meta.
 
Help Center change was across the network.
 
@Wipqozn Fairly certain the help center change mentioned was rolled out to all sites. What @GraceNote said.
 
Although I certainly agree with "Answer instead of downvote to express disagreement" On Meta.
But an absolute rule is wrong.
 
4:59 PM
Yeah.
What @Wipqozn said.
 
Oh, I certainly don't disagree. But I find it horribly amusing to see SE policy evolve like that.
 
I downvote some metas since they aren't worth discussing, or just a rant by a user. Or they make no sense.
 

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