The Bridge

Ben Brocka

5:00 AM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone looking good

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

I need to be careful with the tail because if I draw it wrongly the tail will be impossible to cut out

Cutting Fluttershy's tail is still giving me nightmare

I still don't know how to fix that

The curl at the end. It's distinctive, which means you can't leave it out, but it's impossible to cut neatly when printed out.

user15026

@YiJiang'sEvilClone xacto knife, on one of those scrapbooking mats?

Ben Brocka

Relative of @Ravendreamer's?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@AshleyNunn Yeah, I used a penknife to cut it out. It still didn't came out cleanly.

user15026

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Hm.

Ben Brocka

5:07 AM

This is why we need 3D printers. This specifically. Hard to cut out pony things

fbueckert

@BenBrocka Lasers. Because.

Ben Brocka

You can't print lasers

fbueckert

@BenBrocka Lasers can cut stuff.

Ben Brocka

printing already cut stuff > cutting stuff out

fbueckert

@BenBrocka Don't 3D printers use lasers to cut materials?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

5:10 AM

Ben Brocka

But you don't have to manually use them

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

This is how big the blade is compared to the tail. As you can see it's rather hard to cut.

fbueckert

@BenBrocka Robotic cutting lasers. Even better.

user15026

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Hm,. yeah, that is a bit big for that

Ben Brocka

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Box cutters are not the most precise instrument

user15026

5:11 AM

my sister has some tiny little paper knives

Ben Brocka

He said, wiping blood from his jacket

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Speaking of 3D printing, a few 3D models have been popping up on r/mlp

StrixVaria

Went through all of CodeAcademy's HTML/CSS/JavaScript tutorials in 2 days as a sanity check before getting started on JQuery. JavaScript is stupid.

Ben Brocka

@YiJiang'sEvilClone That's 3D printed? I assume hand painted?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

shapeways.com/model/880716/discord.html

I think the color is in the stone itself

Ben Brocka

5:13 AM

Oh, neat

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@StrixVaria Oh it's not too bad

fbueckert

@BenBrocka wipe blood? If I'm using lasers, either everything goes awesome, and I'm not covered in blood, or it goes horribly wrong, and somebody had the bad taste to bleed all over me.

StrixVaria

@YiJiang'sEvilClone It's not awful, I guess. The way you define "classes" is a joke, though.

I kind of like how functions are just treated like any old variable.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Constructors are functions, yes. That's kind of odd.

Tim Stone

@YiJiang'sEvilClone On the other hand, this is terrible

Ben Brocka

5:15 AM

@fbueckert I was referring to the box cutter. Ideally lasers would cauterize the wounds they cause, no?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@TimStone Wait, isn't LiveScript the name for the first version of JavaScript that was originally included with Netscape?

fbueckert

@BenBrocka You'd think.

Tim Stone

Yeah, they mention that

> LiveScript was one of the original names for JavaScript, so it seemed fitting. It's an inside joke for those who know JavaScript well.

fbueckert

We ARE talking about robotic lasers, though.

StrixVaria

Hey everyone let's learn Dart and make that a web standard.

Ben Brocka

5:15 AM

@StrixVaria It's not an OO language

Tim Stone

The problem is that jokes are supposed to be funny, and that just makes me feel ill.

StrixVaria

@BenBrocka It kind of tries to be, though. I guess my dislike comes from the fact that it can't make up its mind.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Alternatively, don't use classes, use prototypes?

StrixVaria

So is defining Whatever.prototype actually ever a good practice?

That almost seemed like layered hacks upon hacks.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@StrixVaria Yes, of course.

Ben Brocka

5:17 AM

There's a reason most people like jQuery. And crap like Coffeescript is a pain to mess with IMO. Compiling scripts feels wrong

StrixVaria

I'll read through some of my company's JavaScript stuff tomorrow. I have always stuck with the backend stuff in the past but I want to expand.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

When you spawn a new jQuery object, for instance, the jQuery object inherits all the methods and properties of the jQuery prototype

Tim Stone

Discourse recently compiled all of its CoffeScript to JavaScript as the target source. I was so happy.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

If you need to add a function to all jQuery objects, which is what most jQuery plugins do, you just add it to the prototype, which is jQuery.fn

Ben Brocka

snickers @StrixVaria's expanding backend

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StrixVaria

5:19 AM

@BenBrocka sigh

You waited just long enough so I couldn't edit it.

The most fun part about learning CSS was when they said, "Now you made your own beautiful web page!" as I looked at the page using only the colors #FF0000, #0000FF, and #999999, causing my eyes to bleed.

Ben Brocka

lol

nice round RGB values rarely make pretty colors

StrixVaria

@BenBrocka I did learn this.

Ben Brocka

I'm teaching my dad this too. Sent him some color scherme generators to get him some RGB values that dont' suck

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

I think I'll just stare at these for the next half hour imgur.com/a/KzFmD#0

StrixVaria

Yeah the very first result I got for color scheme generator is doing amazing things I could never dream of figuring out manually.

Ktash

5:33 AM

I love JS. It is non-stop awesome

you just have to know how to use it... which not many people do

Ben Brocka

@StrixVaria colorschemedesigner.com is lovely

I have about 8 of them bookmarked

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@StrixVaria Color theory is fun to learn

Lazers

0

Q: game pushed down to bottom of screen top half black

my games is pushed down to the bottom of the page and it iswhen I try to close it,the button to quit is down far enough to see but not to press it. how can I fix this?

draw-something

StrixVaria

I think part of the reason I dislike javascript is 1) we use Mootools instead of JQuery at work and 2) it's impossible to find the DOM elements you're referencing if you don't already know what you're looking at because of the way our code is organized.

colorschemedesigner.com/#3r11T--------

Ben Brocka

Refer to items by ID/class only unless absolutely required. Makes dom manipulation much easier

StrixVaria

5:35 AM

This "max contrast" stuff is very nice.

Ben Brocka

Preferably ID

Ktash

@StrixVaria Sounds like poor coding practices, not a poor coding language ;)

StrixVaria

@Ktash I didn't write it.

Ktash

Haha, wasn't blaming you for it, no worries

some of our JS at work is a little... odd

StrixVaria

I'm trying to learn it right. I'm also trying to find a new job, where hopefully their JavaScript stuff is in a better state.

Ktash

5:36 AM

It's always funny. You can tell what language people come from by how they code JS

@StrixVaria Don't count on it

StrixVaria

@Ktash I'm not holding my breath.

Ktash

very few people really understand JS

Even though the spec is only like 10 pages long

StrixVaria

My main language is Java, so when they told me that JavaScript "classes" are defined by some "constructor" function with no real special syntax, I cringed for a good ten minutes.

murgatroid99

@Ktash JS does have a bunch of weird complexities

Ben Brocka

I forgot MMX had such bad box art

murgatroid99

5:38 AM

Like as Strix is saying how its entire object system is a POS

Ben Brocka

Capcom still hasn't really figured out localization 20 years later

fbueckert

@BenBrocka And yet, it's still such an awesome game.

Ktash

@murgatroid99 May mean you don't understand it

prototypes are dead useful

user15026

@fbueckert I have never played it . Should I?

Ben Brocka

@fbueckert the JP version had fine boxart

murgatroid99

5:38 AM

@Ktash No, I mean that it's a POS.

fbueckert

@AshleyNunn Yes.

Ktash

@murgatroid99 Why?

fbueckert

Might take some decent reflexes in certain parts, just FYI.

Ben Brocka

Japanese developers seemed to flip their shit at the idea of having ANIMUUUU on an English released game so they decided to make it look like crap instead

StrixVaria

Megaman games are very unforgiving, in my limited experience.

@BenBrocka No one on this continent likes Anime.

user15026

5:39 AM

@fbueckert Good to know. I have noticed, though, that my reflexes are slowly getting better since you have made me branch out and play games I don't normally ;)

Ben Brocka

Megaman games are hard, but the controls work. That can not be said about most similar games

fbueckert

@AshleyNunn Training! Get better! cracks whip

user15026

@fbueckert ....*bites back inappropriate response*

murgatroid99

@Ktash Oh man, it's been a long time, but I think it was a combination of the weirdness of inheritance and the non-standard way prototypes are accessed

StrixVaria

I have to wake up for work in 6 hours but I really have no desire to go to sleep at all right now. This is probably going to result in a less than productive day tomorrow.

Ben Brocka

5:40 AM

"We need to localize this game!" "Should we make sure the English writing makes sense?" "No, just get that damn anime off the box art and ship it!"

Ktash

@murgatroid99 Inheritance is 1 line. Most people just don't know that

+ a 10 line polyfill if you want to support all browsers

StrixVaria

@Ktash How is Rectangle.prototype = Object.create(Shape.prototype); different from Rectangle.prototype = new Shape();

I learned the latter syntax.

Ben Brocka

@StrixVaria I'd recommend the Megaman Legends and Megaman ZX series. They're more like Metroidvanias. And MM ZX has difficulty levels ranging from easy enough for noobs to harder than most other megaman games. The originals are a bit hardcore to start out on

user15026

@BenBrocka I like the idea of difficulty levels for noobs, because those are what I usually play on always

murgatroid99

@Ktash OK, that version of JS literally appeared 3 months ago

StrixVaria

5:43 AM

I really like the idea of Metroidvania games. I just have never actually played one really.

murgatroid99

I actually haven't used/entirely relearned JS since last summer, when I had to use it

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@murgatroid99 Uh, Object.create has been around for a while now

Ktash

@StrixVaria Multiple inheritance is allowed. Also, in the second instance, your instantiating a new version of that object. There is a difference in what you are actually inheriting. In one you get Shapes prototype. In the other you get a new shape as a prototype

murgatroid99

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Oh, wait, maybe I just misunderstood something then

StrixVaria

@Ktash That sounds like one of those subtle differences I won't fully understand until it ruins my day.

murgatroid99

5:44 AM

Oops, read the wrong thing

Ktash

@murgatroid99 The warpper has been around for a while. The way to do that has existed since JS first came up

@StrixVaria Most of the time, it will never ruin your day. The difference is one you should know if you want to really understand the language (which most people never do)

StrixVaria

@Ktash I don't think it's worth my time to not really learn a language I ever intend to use.

I'm one of those people who talks about pointers when I'm using Java even though they're all implicit.

Ktash

JS is a language that is so forgiving, you don't need to understand it fully to use it.

StrixVaria

@Ktash I consider this a downside.

I want a language to yell at me if I'm doing something dumb.

Ktash

@StrixVaria You may want to learn it then. Which is good. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of great resources at the moment

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

5:47 AM

@StrixVaria Grab JSHint

murgatroid99

@Ktash It also casts things when you don't expect it

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Pass all your code through it

JSLint is a little too unforgiving

Ktash

@StrixVaria JS lets you do "dumb" things because it assumes you want to do it that way. It lets you do what you want

@murgatroid99 When do you not expect it to cast and it is?

Noting of course this is not a type-safe language

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

StrixVaria

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Neat. I'll play with this after I learn JQuery and I make some crappy game just to test what I've learned.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

5:48 AM

Done

Ktash

JSLint is also Douglas Crockford's way of coding JS, which isn't for everyone, is very opinionated, and isn't always good coding, imo

murgatroid99

>{x=1}+5
5

user15026

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Eventually, you need to collect all these up so I can print them all and have the best bookmarks ever ever ever

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@AshleyNunn That's my plan, yes :D

murgatroid99

number plus list casts to string

Ktash

5:49 AM

@murgatroid99 What did you expect that to do

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@murgatroid99 That's not a list, or a object

That's a... uh... block. Which does nothing.

user15026

@YiJiang'sEvilClone YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

murgatroid99

@YiJiang'sEvilClone oh, right. Well the list thing is still kind of weird

user15026

ahem that would be nice

murgatroid99

Sorry, that was two different examples

Ktash

5:50 AM

The + operator being too overloaded is a valid complaint. But that is something you just need to be aware of, I think

plus, it have very set rules on when it casts

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

As in, you can stick code inside blocks of curly braces, but there's nothing interesting about that because JavaScript doesn't use block scope

Ktash

you just need to learn them

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

I've seen suggestions to use them for code organization, but frankly that's a terrible way to do it

murgatroid99

> []-[1]
-1

Lists casting to number, except when they cast to strings

Tim Stone

Yeah, those kinds of oddities aren't unique to JavaScript unfortunately. Ruby and PHP also have some fairly weird behaviours like that.

fbueckert

5:52 AM

Offensive flags, please

Ktash

@murgatroid99 You can always read up on the table of associativity

fbueckert

Sidenote: that's like the second or third time we've seen that this week, I think.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@murgatroid99 Well, weird edge cases appear when you look for weird edge cases. The correct answer to this is don't do that!

murgatroid99

@TimStone Which is why I use python. It has at least a mostly reasonable set of casts, and reasonable errors when you do something nonsensical

Ktash

@murgatroid99 Python???? Really?? Python yells at you if you don't indent the right way!

murgatroid99

5:53 AM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone That's not one of them, but there are cases where you can be screwed over by not getting an error for typos that create nonsensical code

@Ktash Yeah, so use an editor that indents correctly.

Tim Stone

The best JavaScript errors are the ones caused by missing commas.

murgatroid99

@Ktash That doesn't excuse bad language design

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@TimStone Or extra commas *cough* IE *cough*

murgatroid99

@Ktash Wait, that doesn't have the casting rules

Ktash

@murgatroid99 How does that make it bad language design? It's all spelled out and open, you just got to learn it. I agree + has too many overloads, but I don't agree JS is bad language design

Tim Stone

5:55 AM

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A: elections.stackexchange.com not working in IE9 (Vista x64)

For some reason the fix for this bug has been reverted on the live site. I'll figure out what happened and make sure it gets re-updated. Once that happens everything should work correctly. For some reason I've gone completely crazy and imagined that the fix for this bug had been deployed, but it...

Ktash

@murgatroid99 No, casting is in the spec

Because I can't find the good spec, here's the official, mondo one

Ben Brocka

@YiJiang'sEvilClone also console.log. Which kills JS only in IE. And only when not debugging

murgatroid99

@Ktash Good design != good documentation. The language does unintuitive things with your code and you have to read the spec to know it because it doesn't tell you in an error

Ktash

When you go searching for oddities, you are bound to find them

@murgatroid99 No, you have to read the spec because no one has taken the time to learn it. Other than the + operator, I have no complaints about JS

The breakdown isn't that crazy most of the time. The language has 5 types

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@Ktash I've always thought that the constructor syntax is really unintuitive. You stick a new in front of a function, and somehow that creates a new object. Somehow.

Ktash

6:00 AM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone That's pretty standard in the languages I've used...

Oh, you mean using a function as an object?

murgatroid99

@Ktash I think most languages have new Class()-> object

StrixVaria

@Ktash Except that other languages have actual class definitions and you can tell whether something is a constructor or not by the syntax.

murgatroid99

as opposed to new function() -> object

Ktash

It's because JS is prototype based, not class based

murgatroid99

@Ktash Using a regular function as a constructor. A function that can also be called as not a constructor, and will do something weird

Ktash

6:02 AM

I think that is JS's biggest problem. Everyone tries to use class based models on it

StrixVaria

What is the preferred syntax for creating a new function? Is it var x = function() {}; or function x() {}?

Ktash

@StrixVaria Either. Depends on what your coding convention preferences are, and what you are trying to do with it mostly

StrixVaria

Is it just a style choice or is one of them actually "better"?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@StrixVaria The second one. Well, it depends on what you want.

murgatroid99

@StrixVaria I'm pretty sure they do something different with scoping or namespacing or something

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

6:03 AM

@StrixVaria For the first, if you try to call x before the definition you'll get an error. The second won't.

murgatroid99

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Oh, right, that's what it was. Hoisting

StrixVaria

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Ah, that's a pretty important difference.

Ktash

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Well, it will call undefined, which will throw an error. But if you try to access it, it is just undefined because variables are hoisted

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Time to see what I can do for Rarity.

murgatroid99

@Ktash That I think is also weird. The behavior of accessing a variable can depend on whether it is declared later in the code

Ktash

6:05 AM

@murgatroid99 That one, granted, is odd. But can be useful in Async code on occassion

murgatroid99

@Ktash Oh, I'm sure it can be useful. It just seems kind of unexpected. Though actually that makes me think of another thing I hate about JS: the number of ways they have of saying a variable has no value

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Huh, somehow 70 or so "Image is truncated or corrupted" errors just appeared in my console

Ktash

@murgatroid99 I have a good link to the spec on my work computer, and can send it to you tomorrow

murgatroid99

undefined, null, ReferenceError

Ktash

@murgatroid99 The last one is an error, the first two are types

and mean different things in the code

which can be very useful actually

murgatroid99

6:07 AM

@Ktash OK, it's really just the fact that there's an undefined and a null.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@murgatroid99 That's not really very odd. Most languages have all three of those.

murgatroid99

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Name one

Ktash

@murgatroid99 Null and undefined have different meanings, and differentiating them is good

SQL actually has that issue where null is overused and ambiguous (that's where I hit it most elsewhere)

murgatroid99

@Ktash I don't think they need to have different meanings. Why do we need a value for "this variable has been declared but not yet given a value"?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@murgatroid99 Well, most languages have null defined, and trying to access an undefined variable will give you... well, something. Setting a variable to null doesn't unset it, so it's clearly not the same as undefined

Ktash

6:09 AM

@murgatroid99 null in an object means it has no value. This is different from "I haven't set a value yet"

I want to know if no value was set, or if the value is null

murgatroid99

@Ktash why should "does not have a value" be different from "does not yet have a value"

How is that useful in code?

StrixVaria

In Java, all objects default to null until set otherwise.

Ktash

@murgatroid99 SQL is where I hit this issue most often. If I have a column with a set of values, I want to know if that value does not exist, or if it exists and should be "nothing".

murgatroid99

@Ktash I don't see the difference

Ktash

I'm trying to think of a realworld example I've hit... give me a sec lol. I last did major SQL stuff a while ago

StrixVaria

6:11 AM

@Ktash You could put a blank value in the cell instead of leaving it at null, if that's really important to differentiate.

Ktash

@StrixVaria But a blank value is also a valid value

and is different sometimes

AHHH!!!! Web one!!!

the DNT header

This is a huge problem that there is no Null

A binary unset value does not exist, so there is no way to differentiate between a user who has no preference, and a user who has not set a preference

Tim Stone

@StrixVaria That's not entirely true, attempting to access an undefined (uninitialized) local variable is a compile-time error.

Ktash

this is why IE 10 DNT header is being ignored, really

Tim Stone

@Ktash Except if you're using Oracle. shakes fist angrily

murgatroid99

@Ktash I'm not saying there should be no Null. I'm saying there shouldn't be two

Ktash

6:14 AM

@murgatroid99 There isn't two. One is a value, the other is no value

it just happens that the value is null

StrixVaria

@TimStone Ah, right.

I'm fairly certain class-level fields default to null, though, if not explicitly set.

Ktash

@TimStone Wait, does oracle have multiple nulls?

murgatroid99

@Ktash You can set things in JS to undefined. You can test for equality with undefined. You can convert it to a string. That makes it a value

Tim Stone

@StrixVaria Right

@Ktash No, Oracle considers the empty string to be equal to NULL.

StrixVaria

@TimStone ಠ_ಠ

murgatroid99

6:15 AM

@TimStone OK, that's just bad

Ktash

@murgatroid99 undefined is a type. And undefined is just a variable name, can be set to something other than undefined the type

undefined is only a type

null is a keyword

murgatroid99

@Ktash types are values in javascript.

Ktash

@murgatroid99 you're mixing up types and keywords

undefined is not a keyword

murgatroid99

@Ktash No, I'm not. I'm saying that they are both values, which is a more general idea

Tim Stone

@murgatroid99 Yeaaaah. Oracle's stance is "Well, we had this behaviour before NULL was standardized, so...we're going to stick with it", but really I think Larry Ellison just enjoys being evil.

Ktash

6:17 AM

open up console, and type in var undefined = 'a' and then check the value undefined

@murgatroid99 undefined is not a value. It is a lack of value

null is a value

typeof null == 'object' for a reason

it exists, it is there, it is just nothing

murgatroid99

@Ktash I just tried that. If I set undefined='a', it still outputs undefined when I type that in

Ktash

ewww... FF console is overriding that :(

oh, what are the consoles doing!!

murgatroid99

Yeah. I actually stopped caring about this argument about 10 minutes ago, so I'm going to stop now. Suffice to say that I prefer Python to JS

Powerlord

@YiJiang'sEvilClone What language are you talking about?

Ktash

Well, if you're interested. Here's undefined (the variable)

murgatroid99

6:23 AM

> Starting in JavaScript 1.8.5 (Firefox 4), undefined is non-writable, as per the ECMAScript 5 specification.

And with that, I'm done

Ktash

What have they done!

also, ECMAscript 5 was cancelled... wasn't it? What are they doing implementing that

Powerlord

JavaScript is evil, so who cares? :D

Ktash

Heh, well, I maintain JS is just misunderstood lol

but I'm out for the night

g'night bridge

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

7:03 AM

Time to do Rarity. Her mane is going to be the death of me.

user15026

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Good luck!

Ullallulloo

R.I.P. @YiJiang'sEvilClone: killed by fictional pony hair.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

8:35 AM

*yawn* Hey, I'm still alive

djsmiley2k

8:46 AM

I'm not.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

But seriously, Rarity's hair is stupid. Or maybe I'm doing it wrong.

There must be a better way to draw this.

So I pulled out someone else's vector to check, and nope. There isn't a better way to do this.

djsmiley2k

jeeez.

@YiJiang'sEvilClone so everyone does them as vectors?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

9:03 AM

In general, if you want to work with them in any way it's best to trace them out first

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

9:19 AM

Well that wasn't too bad

deworde

9:41 AM

http://gaming.stackexchange.com/q/32212/15477

With all that re-tagging nonsense, a bit sad that no-one took the chance to correct Minecract to Minecraft....

djsmiley2k

@YiJiang'sEvilClone ok I might not get the mlp thing, but thats quite impressive.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Nah, not really.

djsmiley2k

fine :P

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Each control point takes at most a second or two to set and tweak. MLP characters are very simple, compared to other cartoons

kalina

@deworde re-tagging nonsense?

kalina

10:08 AM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone somehow I doubt Rarity would be smiling had she just been flattened

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Yeah, I'm re-doing her face by hand

kalina

ok

well in that case then good job so far

Lazers

0

Q: Step by step High Elf build for Skyrim beginner

I'm a novice in Skyrim, recently bought the game and love it. I don't have any DLC yet (I want to complete the original first). I've started a High Elf lady, I'm currently level 13 and thinking of going for a mage build based on destruction. Can anyone provide me with a step by step guide for u...

skyrim

deworde

@kalina All those pocket minecraft answers bumping up because someone got a bumper load of (possible) sockpuppet votes in the mail. Pay me no mind, just a stupid quip.

kalina

I'm not convinced that votes bump the post

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

10:26 AM

The eyes are a bit too close together and a little too big

kalina

@YiJiang'sEvilClone and different colours

that is the right sort of facial expression I'd expect though

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Oh that's just the gradient.

kalina

needs to be pulling a facial expression like :S

eyes dont need adjusting that much though tbh

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Well, Applejack's expression is pretty much that

BoltClock

I wish I could do vector art

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

10:35 AM

I don't want to reuse faces though

@BoltClock Oh I would hardly call this 'art'

BoltClock

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Hmm yeah, why do people refer to them as simply "vectors"?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

You understand the difference between raster and vector, right?

BoltClock

Yeah

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

So these are vectors. As in, traced from scenes in the show.

kalina

@YiJiang'sEvilClone mk fair point

BoltClock

10:37 AM

I guess it's like how people call something a painting or a watercolor

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

kalina

I'm so glad I redeclared my vegetarianism

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

It's okay, there are other uses for ponies. You can send them to the glue factory too.

Lazers

0

Q: Is Spigot more lightweight than a vanilla minecraft server?

Is Spigot more lightweight (in terms of memory and cpu) than a vanilla Minecraft server?

minecraft minecraft-smp minecraft-bukkit

kalina

rofl, I just got in trouble for "not being in the office"

BoltClock

10:45 AM

Looks like I'm gonna have to preorder Tomb Raider even though I'm confident I won't get to run it until I upgrade my hardware

kalina

because Microsoft Lync stopped responding in the middl eof the night

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

I think I should've done this face instead

BoltClock

... did my pet just level up from visiting Coltzan's Shrine again after last visiting it 3 hours ago?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

"I vant to be alone! To wallow in whatever it is that ponies are suppose to wallow in!"

BoltClock

I thought it employed a 12-hour timeout rather than a once-a-day limit

kalina

10:52 AM

@YiJiang'sEvilClone that is perfect imo

kalina

11:14 AM

-.-

I'm on this customer site, upgrading them

They've rebooted the server repeatedly over the last 30 minutes

sent a console message to the other person logged into the server

apparently even though this work has been planned for 4 weeks, nobody knows its happening

so all of their users have been complaining the system is down

I just got asked "how long will it take?"

and I responded "twice as long as it would have, since you rebooted the server while I was upgrading the database."

Lazers

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Q: Valve Linux games that are not FPS?

I have seen that Valve now has a bunch of games available for Linux, but most of them are first-person shooters, which I don't really like. Does anybody know how to get the list of Valve Linux games that are not FPS?

linux first-person-shooter

djsmiley2k

o_O I thought the only game so far as tf2?

Anyone play some conclave with me?

I'm in an inactive party atm ;<

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

11:30 AM

> Square Enix trademarked Deus Ex: Human Defiance

kalina

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I like the sound of that

I hope they don't go all invisible war on us

@Lazers apparently my assumption wasn't liked, such a sad day

djsmiley2k

revolution followed by defiance, Nice.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

I wonder how far along the development process do companies start applying for trademarks

kalina

@YiJiang'sEvilClone Blizzard applied for the MoP trademark about ~6-9 months before it was released

I currently have a customer screaming at me for taking down their live system, after it had been agreed with several levels of their management. Their IT department have corrupted their database by rebooting the server I was working on during a database upgrade, and now I'm caught up in politics which is preventing me from doing anything about it

Time to get some management around here involved so that this customer can learn their role and STFU

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Great, so now I have three different versions of Love is in Bloom on my playlist. I think I should just remove everything except for the instrumental version

kalina

11:39 AM

I just told this IT department that I could probably fix the database issue with diskpart

he was fine with it

I'd like to know how some people get jobs in these kinds of roles

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Did some files on the hard disk get corrupted?

kalina

nah I'm just restoring the backup I took before I started

it's not going to stop me from making this IT department feel like irrelevant wastes of space though

djsmiley2k

@kalina lololol/