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1:03 PM
Gave the tech lead some hacking. Tech leads love hacking.
 
@OrigamiRobot This.
 
@Sterno Just finished the bad cop sidequest. I hope the helipad girl isn't too bothered by my being late a mere three or four hours.
 
@badp Oddly, I think the only time that how long it takes you to get somewhere matters is in that very first mission.
The first thing I leveled up in that game was hacking. Then I robbed all my coworkers at Sarif blind. And then I got emails about how someone was breaking into offices, and could I please look into it? Good times.
 
There's a new question that's tagged only
 
@YiJiang emerica saved the day
 
1:10 PM
Yeah, well now I'm doing a more through edit
 
@YiJiang Make sure to remove :P
 
@OrigamiRobot Well, I just looked at the tag's description, and it seems to match the question
 
@YiJiang We just dislike tags.
 
Durn you, @FAE
 
Welp, Emerica now has deleted even more stuff than I did.
 
1:13 PM
@YiJiang It's not a good tag
 
@OrigamiRobot True, but... uh. *sigh* Why is tagging so hard on this site?
I'm now more and more inclined to agree with Mr. Atwood's use-only-game-tags-for-most-games suggestion
 
FAE
@OrigamiRobot Hm?
 
-1
A: Thieves guild lock box reset

JasonYou can also wait until 3 am to pick the locks, as the room is empty at that time. It's especially helpful to do this if you are leveling lockpicking by breaking picks.

Wha? That barely even relates to the question.
 
@FAE I wanted that edit :/
 
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Q: What can I do to get the most "fully stocked" bonuses?

EBongoI'm interested in any answer, but I'm particularly curious if there is a limit on how often you can it for a given store. For the Food store's it is normally hard to keep them stocked, and if I can only get "Fully Stocked" say once an hour per store, than I wouldn't work as hard to keep those s...

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Q: What are the fast ways of leveling without using platinum?

IIISkyBlueIIII use the daily elixir and the Playa's potion which gives a 1.5 exp gain and I can only level up twice everyday. Will getting to Mt. Fang be at all helpful?

 
1:15 PM
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Q: What are the two 'hidden' achievements, and how do I get them?

LessPop_MoreFizzIn BrowserQuest, the achievements list includes 2 that are denoted only as ??? / ??? I've already defeated the 'final boss' and completed all of the other achievements (Ignore the 16/20 there, the 2 I'm missing amount to 'get hit a lot of times'). What are these last two medals, and how do I...

Woah, we already have a Browser Quest question, and it seems to have hit the jackpot in terms of views
 
so I guess I'm leaving Detroit for good?
 
Also, the other Browser Quest question is also getting a lot of views. Might it be a good idea to kill it to remove it from Google's result for good?
 
@TimStone I'm pretty sure I've seen people record HDMI quality video from A PS3 though
@YiJiang what's wrong with it?
Oh, right, that one
 
Yup - a search for 'browser quest achievements' have both questions up as the first two results for me. Maybe it's just Google's 'customization', but, hmmm...
 
@YiJiang it doesn't look too bad tbh
 
1:18 PM
I think it's the wording that's the problem
 
I've been 10k site rep for like 4 days now and not seen a single chat flag. Are they rarer than I heard everyone complaining about?
 
@badp You're right - I think it's actually an acceptable question if it was phrased better
 
less whiny now? Feel free to roll back
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Q: What do I do when I have all the achievements in BrowserQuest?

Javier Novoa C.I've obtained all the achievements on BrowserQuest. Is the game over now or is there any form of "end game" and extra stuff to do? What do I do now? Get back to work?

I left the last bit since @Lesspop already referred to it...
 
Much better I think
 
@Sterno They haven't been as bad lately. Although there was still been about 1 or 2 a day (that I've seen).
You'll probably see a spike in them when gnome returns from his chat suspension.
 
1:21 PM
I hate it when someone bounty-protects their question.
 
@Sterno They're usually handled pretty quickly
 
chat flags disapear quick due to the number of mods and 10k users in the chat system
 
@Wipqozn I gave him some guidelines for how not to get chat suspended.
 
@ArdaXi Is that a thing now?
 
We'll see if he remembers them.
 
1:21 PM
@YiJiang Apparently. 4 close votes and a bounty.
The answer is already brilliant, so no reason for a bounty.
 
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Q: Is there a PS3 controller emulator for XBOX 360 controller on PC?

JatSingI have a XBOX 360 gamepad now I want to use it as PS3 gamepad because I want to make it the most compatible with the game Shin Sangoku Musou 6 Moushouden (dynasty warriors 7) on PC. Is there any emulator software can do this ? Let's me make this more clear : I am trying to find a PS3 controller ...

This one?
 
@StrixVaria I'm referring more to the fact that people like to abuse flags on him, simply because he's really bad at saying things which look flag worthy without context.
 
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Q: What are the Key Gameplay Differences between Valve's DOTA 2 vs League of Legends?

ResorathValve's new game DotA 2 is a sequel to the popular Warcraft 3 map of the same name which is nearing release. The game follows the same paradigm of a similar game, League of Legends which was inspired from the original DotA map. Both games follow the same idea of leveling of a character, gaining...

 
FAE
@YiJiang I discussed this with LessPop last night and he felt fairly strongly it should stay closed.
 
gnome deserves a lot of the flags he gets, but he also gets a lot of flags he doesn't deserve.
 
1:22 PM
@Wipqozn Very true.
 
@Wipqozn A lot implies more than half, so your statement is incorrect.
 
@ArdaXi No it doesn't at all.
 
@StrixVaria The way it's phrased, it says "A lot of the flags are deserved, but a lot of the flags are undeserved."
 
@FAE But I think a question like "Is this the end of the game?" is acceptable for games with more open ended endings
 
@ArdaXi You misread.
 
1:23 PM
@ArdaXi A lot doesn't imply more than half in any way.
 
@ArdaXi He gets a large quantity of flags he deserves, and he also gets a large quantity of flags that he doesn't deserve.
 
"he also gets a lot of flags"
 
FAE
14 hours ago, by LessPop_MoreFizz
@FAE Not really, it's a bad, stupid question. I mainly answered it so that I could insult him for asking a stupid question.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz If it's opposite to something else, it does.
Otherwise it's meaningless.
 
FAE
14 hours ago, by LessPop_MoreFizz
@FAE In the sense that it is a really dumb browser based game that gives no reason for you to expect that sort of depth.
 
1:24 PM
@FAE It's more of a tech demo than a real game, true
 
@ArdaXi No, no it doesn't. Replace 'a lot' with 'many' if that makes it easier to parse, but 'a lot' implies no particular proportion, only a notable quantity.
 
FAE
@ArdaXi Game comparison questions are still apparently up for discussion though, so the close votes may have jumped the gun on that anyway.
 
Oh oh oh! Is @ArdaXi here arguing about words? I wanna join!
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A lot can be an absolute or relative term and is not necessarily either
 
Wait...I kinda agree with him...
 
1:26 PM
@ArdaXi I still think that DOTA2/LOL question is valid. I'd vote to reopen if it got closed (again)
 
Alot on the other hand...
 
This is not fun :(
 
@FAE True, but I don't like that question for a multitude of reasons.
 
@FAE Except they're not.. the discussion ended 7 months ago. The questions should be closed. If people want to re-open them, fine we can discuss that. but the current policy is they should be closed.
 
1:27 PM
One reason is the whole comparison. Two, it would be an incomplete list. Three, DotA 2 isn't even out yet.
 
@OrigamiRobot You're green again!
This needs to stop.
 
FAE
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A: What's the difference between FortressCraft and Minecraft? Who cares?

Grace NoteI disagree with banning these wholesale. I don't disagree that we can close some of these as "Not A Real Question", citing Raven's answer. Consider a very close kin to these kinds of questions - version differences. Which has its own tag, even. But both of them operate on the same intent - they...

 
The question which was deleted by marktraps initial post still hasn't been undeleted which, if we're saying those questions are on-topic, shoudl be allowed back on.
 
@LessPopMoreFizz Oh dear god, this Maps cover.
 
FAE
@Wipqozn Right now the discussion looks like it's re-opening again
 
1:28 PM
WHY.
 
FAE
@Mana Isn't it just... it's... yeah.
 
@Wipqozn This is the problem with meta. Posting a question and getting an answer with like 5 upvotes, then marking it as accepted, means "this is policy" to some people and means "inconclusive" to others
 
Then we can come along and say something new 4 months later and half the people think it's up for discussion, and the other half think it's already closed for debate
 
@Sterno My stance is that the simply fact we've deleted one question because of this means we need to enforce this rule for all fo them, or undelete the other one.
 
1:30 PM
This may be the first time I really have no preference on which way the argument goes.
 
We can't have some questions deleted and others not for a policy, when we don't know what the policy is.
 
@FAE Why does this album have five 5-star reviews on Amazon...?
 
that's moreso what I'm saying. WE already were enforcing this. So either enforce it all the way, or undo the closures / deletions done for it in the first place.
 
FAE
@Wipqozn I believe Grace's point here is that the blanket policy shouldn't be "delete ALL the things" but rather "be discerning in our acceptance of them and weed out the bad"
@Mana Because people are stupid.
 
@Mana Deaf people who used to like Macy Gray before they went deaf.
 
1:30 PM
@StrixVaria gasp Live up to your flavor text!
 
@Sterno it's inconclusive policy!
 
@Wipqozn I can agree some consistency would be nice. But we were already being inconsistent... there are an awful lot of others ones open. This one just has a lot of attention because of the contest
 
@FAE Just starting to read hers now.
 
The problem, as always, is figuring out where to draw the line. In this case, I disagree with blanket bans.
But then the line inevitably becomes "we'll know bad stuff when we see it".
Which I'm starting to not think is quite as bad as I used to.
 
I think the original meta post about it was pretty far from having a conclusive majority that those questions should be banned.
 
FAE
1:32 PM
@StrixVaria You're softening in your old age.
 
I still think ITG and game-rec are the devil's work and needed to be murdered very violently.
 
My smell test is the same as it's always been for scope: If I'm aware of the scope of the answer (which is not the same as knowing the answer), would I be willing to take the time to write the whole thing up, or would I consider it too much goddamned work?
 
What if I have a question for a game that doesn't have a tag on SE?
 
@Foxtrot Make the tag.
 
But other borderline question times can possibly survive with some gray area. We should try to set guidelines if we can't come up with rigid rules.
 
1:33 PM
If you don't have the rep, ask the question, toss on a platform tag, and ask one of us to fix it.
 
@Sterno "policy" when offically determined by a mod should probably be marked by the mod-only "status:X" tags on meta
 
It requires some judgment and maybe appears inconsistent, but I think there's a big difference between "Gorilla vs Shark" and "LoL vs DOTA2". That's a lot more like "Gorilla vs Monkey". If they were asking about the difference between Super Mario Brothers and Half-Life, then yeah, close it
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@LessPopMoreFizz just by typing in my own tag name when I link the question ?
 
Ear bleach for me after listening to Macy Gray "cover" stuff:
 
only mods can place those, so if someone says "can we ban ITG" and it has a status:completed flag you know a mod or SE employee thinks that's "done"
 
FAE
1:34 PM
@StrixVaria Our problem is guidelines involve consensus. We know what happens with that word here. :P
 
@FAE What word?
 
@StrixVaria Ninja.
 
@Foxtrot Yup.
 
@LessPopMoreFizz thank you
 
@Mana I told you I saw the Wierd a few months back, right?
 
1:36 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz something something you're Weird, also no
 
@Sterno They're both platformer shooters. I don't really see much of a difference at all.
 
@Mana I saw Carissa's Wierd. Live.
 
Also, since we're on this...
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz OH
 
Can a mod either close this:
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Q: What are the Key Gameplay Differences between Valve's DOTA 2 vs League of Legends?

ResorathValve's new game DotA 2 is a sequel to the popular Warcraft 3 map of the same name which is nearing release. The game follows the same paradigm of a similar game, League of Legends which was inspired from the original DotA map. Both games follow the same idea of leveling of a character, gaining...

 
1:37 PM
Yes I do remember this.
 
or re-open this:
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Q: What are the differences between Defense of the Ancients (DotA) and League of Legends (LoL)?

DrakeI played a lot to League of Legends (>1000 hours) and I am going to try DotA now. Speaking about gameplay only, it would be really helpful for a newbie knowing what are the main differences between Defense of the Ancients (DotA) and League of Legends (LoL)?

I don't see how throwing the "word" key makes the first question any differen, in terms of scope, than the second.
 
@StrixVaria It's like we assume that people will be willfully ignorant about the difference, and post such inane questions in the first place. I don't like it when we take steps to ban entire categories of decent questions so that we can safely ban the few cases that probably never happen, and even if they do almost everyone will agree they should be closed anyway
 
Either they should both be closed, or both be open.
 
@Wipqozn This has a stupid bounty or I would have cast the last close vote
 
Re-opened Drake's.
 
1:39 PM
@Sterno I was just being a pain in the ass for the sake of it. I actually agree with you.
 
@OrigamiRobot And I'd've cast a reopen vote on both.
 
@Wipqozn RE the bonus on that I think he's just planning to give the bounty to the existing question and taking advantage of the bounty because he might as well
 
@Wipqozn 100% agree
 
@OrigamiRobot Resorath says he didn't put it up to protect his question, just to get attention for votes. I believe him.
 
@Wipqozn That's still crappy
 
1:40 PM
We go to an awful lot of work just to be able to justify to some new user who doesn't know anything about the site the reason we closed their shitty question.
 
@OrigamiRobot How is that crappy? It's part of the point of a bounty.
It's why they go in the Featured list and everything
 
@OrigamiRobot I agree.
@LessPop_MoreFizz I think he meant that you can't close them.
 
@Wipqozn how does it protect his question? I could cast a close vote right now
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz because views are part of the contest.
 
What type of a game or genre would you give a game where you only fly up or down, dodging objects that come across the screen from right to left?
 
1:40 PM
@BenBrocka No you can't. Can't cast close votes on bountied questions.
 
@BenBrocka I think if you tried to, it would prevent you.
 
@LessPop Have you heard Silversun's new single?
 
@Foxtrot do you shoot the objects?
 
FAE
@Foxtrot Note that it will decay if it there isn't a 2nd question tagged with it within a certain amount of time, which is... can someone remind me? How many months?
 
@Mana No, haven't gotten around to it. I have it sitting around here.
 
1:41 PM
@OrigamiRobot google juice matters much more for views than internal views, I doubt a bounty will matter unless it drives someone to share the post or gets it in the Hot Questions list
@LessPop_MoreFizz really? Huh, didn't know that
 
@BenBrocka Bounties are automatically in the hot questions list.
 
I still think all these game comparison questions are terrible, but if we only allow those that limit scope it would solve many of my problems.
 
@BenBrocka It's still crappy.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Get to it. It's an interesting change from their normal sound.
 
but just "what are the differences between Game X and Game Y?" is a terrible question that has no place on the site.
 
1:42 PM
@LessPopMoreFizz no, just dodging them while striving for maximum distance
 
I was meh about it at first but now it's stuck in my head completely.
 
@Mana You heard about the Morning Benders? :(
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz No?
 
@FAE ... huh?
 
FAE
@Foxtrot Incidentally, if you're asking in order to add a genre tag to the question, the general policy here is that genre tags are acceptable for asking questions about the genre, not to just classify certain games as such.
 
1:42 PM
@Mana They had to change their name.
 
@FAE 6 months, IIRC
 
FAE
@Foxtrot If you tag a question with a newly created tag, in order for the tag to "stick," there needs to be a 2nd question tagged with it within 6 months.
 
@OrigamiRobot Crapy or not I wouldn't consider it cheating personally, so I wouldn't remove the bounty unless I thought it really should be closed, as a mod. I don't really have a strong opinion and I'm not a mod here though
 
Apparently 'bender' is an anti-gay slur in parts of Europe?
 
FAE
@YiJiang That's what I thought, thanks.
@Foxtrot Otherwise, the tag will "decay" and disappear.
 
1:43 PM
@BenBrocka I never said anything about cheating or removing the bounty. It's just crappy.
 
@Wipqozn I think this is an important point. Scope isn't the issue here, given my own personal standard and the fact that we have a fairly complete and cohesive answer:
 
@FAE I am not asking to do that, I was just wondering what classification I could give to those types of games as there are many out there.
 
> Rather than have us need to know which games are similar enough to which other games to warrant a comparison being meaningful, the asker should tell us why these games are similar enough that the comparison is helpful to the internet
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FAE
There you go @Sterno
 
I think it's a really helpful question. I've been wondering what the difference is between DOTA and LoL for a while.
 
1:44 PM
sweet
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz sounds good to me, but I'd certainly say DOTA and LOL are similar enough for comparison of course
 
And I think in this case, the answer is that there's a strong competitive scene currently in the process of choosing between these two games, and more to the point, as a spectator, or a player, the games are quite similar, and knowing how your experience with one will translate in the other is really helpful.
 
FAE
@Foxtrot Gotcha. :)
 
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Q: How to learn Survival Mode maps in MW3?

iraSenthilI want to explore Survival Mode maps, Are there ways I can do it like split screen or Team Death Match?

 
@FAE That was totally not worth it.
 
FAE
1:45 PM
@Sterno Hahaha
 
@Sterno Ha, well... that's pretty much most of the flags you'll get
 
DOTA vs. LoL is not "What's the difference between basketball and baseball", it's much more akin to "What's the difference between ice hockey and street hockey"
 
@FAE :) any ideas to what kind of genre or game type could be given to those types of games? I can't think of any lol :/
 
FAE
@Foxtrot I'm not sure. Do you have any titles as an example? I've probably played flash games where you do that, but I've never really seen them classified in a single genre I don't think...
 
I mean, at the end of the day, it's pretty obvious when a question is useful versus being outright stupid. We don't need to make new rules in order to close outright stupid questions, and end up getting good ones caught up in those rules. We can just close them as Not Constructive or NARQ and move the fuck on.
 
1:47 PM
@Foxtrot If you really can't think of anything, just drop any tag on it - we can always fix it in a second
 
so picking up a ride on the metro... not the best idea
got on the entirely opposite end of the city, the farthest away I could get from my objective :|
 
lol @YiJiang I am not looking to apply a genre tag / type tag to my question I want to post. I am just curious to what genre or type of a game someone would classify it as.
 
@Foxtrot The Super Stick Golf question?
 
@FAE Jetpack for iOS (i want to post a few questions about this one here, but that sprung the idea of what kind a classification someone would give it), there is a very popular helicopter game (flash) which the cave gets smaller with walls appearing in it (all green with a black background) but i don't know the title of that one.
 
1:53 PM
Dunno, the all encompassing casual 'genre' probably would apply here - and to 90% of all mobile games too I suppose
 
Someone should up vote this so I don't need to go digging and spend 4 clicks every time I want to look at it:
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Q: Do esoteric rules hurt the site?

Ren the UncleanAs a lurker/new user it seems like the actual rules for what questions are allowed to be asked are esoteric and arcane and are enforced either arbitrarily or with no feedback to the person asking the question. I believe this is detrimental to the site as a whole. ID this game questions, compari...

 
@YiJiang no.
 
FAE
@Foxtrot Yeah, I know the helicopter one you mean.
@LessPop_MoreFizz Fave it?
 
@FAE I still have to click through things then!
it really doesn't deserve to be at -8 IMO
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Bookmark it in your browser?
 
FAE
1:55 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz I think most people voted on its tone rather than its subject matter :/
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Meh - the question is terrible. Meta questions should: 1. Be asked in a way that actually allows the discussion to come to a meaningful conclusion, 2. Give evidence to support the alleged problem
 
@FAE Even with subject matter it's a terrible post. He's just ranting.
 
This question is the Meta equivalent of "Have you stopped beating your wife?"
 
@LessPopMoreFizz The original wording plus comments came off a lot more like a rant than "I want to help the site". I think the downvotes are understandable.
 
@Sterno yeah, the removal of "enforced in a draconian manner" makes this much more palatable
 
1:58 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz Also, remember the whole "voting on Meta is different thing". I downvoted partly because I disagree with his premises and/or conclusion, and partly because it's a rant
 
@murgatroid99 the problem is, not everyone upvotes that way - I'm fairly sure the community isn't actually split +10/-16 in favor of his opinions
 

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